Making Creativity Pay

“ I'm very keenly aware of the whole, reliving my life thing in different forms and having that replace my real memories sometimes, and that can be a kind of a scary thing because it is this thing that happened to me that I didn't talk about for so many years and like in public, like never, you know? And now I've spoken about it in so many forms and you know how memory works, you tell it and you keep remembering it and the memory can change ” - Latest guest Comedian and Author Krystal EvansWe talk about her experience as one of the writers and performers on Channel 4’s 'Mitchell and Webb are Not Helping', her experiences as a stand up and her Fringe show ‘Hottest Girl at Burn Camp’ and the book and the audiobook of the same name which detail some her childhood experiences and how comedy can come from tragic experiences.We also talk about the Scottish comedy scene, her Sex and Relationships podcast ‘Chris and Krystal are in Heat’ with fellow Comedian Chris Weir and being part of a crowdfunder for upcoming short film “How we’re really actually doing”Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/krystalevanscomedy/ Hottest Girl in Burn Camp Book: https://linktr.ee/thehottestgirlatburncamp Audiobook on Spotify:https://open.spotify.com/show/1kldAghwmjrj3wxDF0PMZL Mitchell and Webb are not helping: https://www.channel4.com/programmes/mitchell-and-webb-are-not-helping Website: https://www.comedykrystal.com/ Chris and Krystal are in heat Podcast: https://shows.acast.com/chris-and-krystal-are-in-heat Linktree: https://linktr.ee/krystalevans “How we’re really actually doing” film: https://www.instagram.com/hwrad.film/ Find More about ‘Making Creativity Pay’Twitter: https://twitter.com/Beyond_the_Pod Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/makingcreativitypay/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/danjbarnett/ Making Creativity Pay Newsletter: https://makingcreativitypay.substack.com/ 

“  I am a jack of all trades in the comedy industry and also don't make much money, so that's why I do it all, my main sort of thing is that I'm a writer of funny stuff that most of the time I perform. I'm getting really used to calling myself a stand-up now which is terrifying.”Latest guest is Comedian Hannah Morton, we talk about her experience at last year’s Fringe with her show Cha Cha Real Smooth and how the show about her experiences as a Children’s entertainer came about, promotion at the Fringe and the blurring between her and the character in the show.We also talk about her work with digital marketing as part of the team looking after the Glasgow International Comedy Festival which is back next March and her experiences going viral online. Hannah’s Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/hannahmorton_94/ Crushed! And Cha Cha Real Smooth at Glasgow International Comedy Festival: https://www.glasgowcomedyfestival.com/events/?search=Hannah+morton Sad Girls Club Podcast: https://www.instagram.com/thesadgirlsclub2024/ Find More about ‘Making Creativity Pay’Twitter: https://twitter.com/Beyond_the_Pod Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/makingcreativitypay/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/danjbarnett/ Making Creativity Pay Newsletter: https://makingcreativitypay.substack.com/ 

“ I would like to destroy the biggest myth right from the off, which is that working in production isn't creative. It absolutely is…what I do on a day-to-day basis is I actually make huge decisions for any production that I work on that directly influence the content that is on screen.”On this episode I spoke with Fliss Williams who has experience working on a range of film and television productions as well as live events for the BBC and is organising the upcoming British Comedy Guide conference that’s being held in London on 5th and 6th of DecemberWe talk about what a Line Producer does, how that work was a good fit for event management and her work as a mentor on the Wonder Women project.British Comedy Guide - Big Comedy Conference 5th-6th Dec https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/bcg-pros-big-comedy-conference-2025-tickets-1504841333939 Wonder Women Mentoring: https://www.wonderwomentv.com/mentoringprogramme Find More about ‘Making Creativity Pay’Twitter: https://twitter.com/Beyond_the_Pod Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/makingcreativitypay/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/danjbarnett/ Making Creativity Pay Newsletter: https://makingcreativitypay.substack.com/ 

“It’s written, performed, directed and produced entirely by women and there’s something ridiculously refreshing about that” - Claire RaffertyOn this episode I spoke with some of the writers and performers of Gobby Girls: The Afterparty which is on at the Soho Theatre from 20th-22nd NovemberWe talk about their sold out Edinburgh Fringe run and how it went from idea to performance in just a matter of weeks and taking a new show to Soho Theatre.We also talk about the importance of community and the support they get from group as well as discussing how the show came about, online promotion and value of improvisation.Soho Theatre Tickets: https://sohotheatre.com/events/gobby-girls-the-after-party/ Gobby Girls Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/gobbygirlproductions/ Female Pilot Club Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/femalepilotclub/ Other Links: https://linktr.ee/gobbygirlproductions Find More about ‘Making Creativity Pay’Twitter: https://twitter.com/Beyond_the_Pod Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/makingcreativitypay/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/danjbarnett/ Making Creativity Pay Newsletter: https://makingcreativitypay.substack.com/ 

“I’ve basically walked backwards into having a day job” - Latest guest Stand-Up Comedian, writer and podcaster Milo Edwards. Milo has been a stand-up for over 10 years and has regularly performed at the Edinburgh Fringe and has released a number of specials on YouTube.We talk about his tour show “How Revolting! Sorry to Offend” that’s working its way around the country in 2025 and 2026, writing a show a year for the Fringe, the Trash Future podcast which has over 15k monthly paying subscribers as well as other podcasts he’s part of including Glue Factory podcast with Olga Koch, Pierre Novellie and Riley Quinn.Website: https://www.miloedwards.co.uk  Instagram: https://instagram.com/milo_edwards YouTube Specials: https://www.youtube.com/@milo_edwards Podcast and other links via: https://linktr.ee/milo_edwardsCover Image: https://www.instagram.com/joshuaperotiphoto/ Find More about ‘Making Creativity Pay’Twitter: https://twitter.com/Beyond_the_Pod Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/makingcreativitypay/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/danjbarnett/ Making Creativity Pay Newsletter: https://makingcreativitypay.substack.com/

“ So we have a main rule at comedy club that there's no toilet humour because it's too easy, I can make a fart sound and the room will explode with giggles. So we try and really emphasize that it's about being clever. I want you to go home to your grownups, whoever's looking after you. And I want them to be like, I'm genuinely impressed that you've come up with that joke or that character or that sketch idea or whatever.”Comedian, Podcaster, Poet and more Charlotte Cropper.We talk about Charlotte’s job working as a facilitator for kids after-school comedy workshops, her comedy night Slumber Party that she runs in Manchester, as well as Fight Club a writing support group and collective and a load of other creative endeavoursInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/croppachoppa/ https://www.instagram.com/slumber.party.comedy/ Website:  https://www.charlottecropper.co.uk/ Nottingham Comedy Festival (2nd Nov):https://www.nottinghamcomedyfestival.co.uk/charlotte-cropper---beth-moore--croppachoppa-s-slumber-party Golden Time Podcast:Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/podcast/id1821766240 Spotify:https://open.spotify.com/show/1fAE9Ovn1FWYi58HwI2Ke0 Other Gigs, Fight Club and more:https://linktr.ee/charlottecropper TikTok:https://www.tiktok.com/@croppachoppa Find More about ‘Making Creativity Pay’Website: https://podcasting.makingcreativitypay.com/episodes/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/Beyond_the_Pod Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/makingcreativitypay/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/danjbarnett/ Making Creativity Pay Newsletter: https://makingcreativitypay.substack.com/ 

“ I used to tell people at primary school I was gonna be a film director when I grew up. I don’t know what happened in my childhood that made that happen but it was just a very strong determination and I think when I went to secondary school and people started sort of talking about their careers, I just had this feeling that, if I didn't try, I would always regret it."Ashley Catherine Dick founder of film company Cinora.  We talk about how she got into filmmaking, how video and film differ and some of the things she’s created such as Cinora’s short film ‘The Boulder’ and the Glasgow version of Subway Takes called ‘Clockwork Orange Takes‘Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cinorafilms/ Website:  https://www.cinorafilms.com/ YouTube:https://www.youtube.com/@Cinorafilms TikTok:https://www.tiktok.com/@cinorafilms  Find More about ‘Making Creativity Pay’Website: https://podcasting.makingcreativitypay.com/episodes/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/Beyond_the_Pod Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/makingcreativitypay/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/danjbarnett/ Making Creativity Pay Newsletter: https://makingcreativitypay.substack.com/ 

“  We've done a couple of boat cruises with Brian Blessed called Overboard with Brian Blessed, which was great fun 'cause people just love being in the room with him.The first one we did on the Thames, we'd written this beautiful script about all of the facts about this, that and the other when we passed them on the river and he sort of had the piece of paper and went, what the fuck is this? And just literally threw it out the window and then just started telling stories for two hours.” Giles Gear founder of Giddy Aunt Comedy and founder of the Cheerful Earful Podcast festival which starts in the UK on the 12th October.We talk about how the festival came about, the importance of building a community and also other parts of Giddy Aunt comedy including the fantastically named Golden Lobes which is a podcast awards evening which has representation from indie podcasters through to national giants.We also talk about the range of live events Giddy Aunt has set up including Louis Theroux, Brian Blessed and many more. Festival Tickets: https://cheerfulearful.podlifeevents.com/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cheerfulearfulpodfest/ https://www.instagram.com/giddyauntcomedy/ Website:  https://www.cheerfulearful.co.uk/ https://www.giddyauntcomedy.com/ Find More about ‘Making Creativity Pay’Website: https://podcasting.makingcreativitypay.com/episodes/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/Beyond_the_Pod Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/makingcreativitypay/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/danjbarnett/ Making Creativity Pay Newsletter: https://makingcreativitypay.substack.com/ 

“ So it's full on promo, just trying to get the word out there. We are a non-for-profit festival. We don't get any funding, so it's pretty much just on myself and Jessica who's the director of the festival. getting out to all the cafes and putting the brochures out,... just kind of getting the city hyped up about the festival.” - Aimee Perry who is the Programmer for the Women In Comedy festival which starts in Manchester on the 2nd OctoberWe talk about the work that goes in to organising and promoting a festival of this size, what the festival can offer performers and Aimee’s wider experience in comedy working previously at The Bill Murray and Gilded Balloon and her current role as Head Booker at the Frog & Bucket comedy club in Manchester. Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/womenincomedyfestivaluk/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/WomenInComedyFestivalManchesterUK Website: https://womenincomedy.uk/ Festival Tickets: https://wicf.ticketsolve.com/ticketbooth/shows Find More about ‘Making Creativity Pay’Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/makingcreativitypay/ Making Creativity Pay Newsletter: https://makingcreativitypay.substack.com/ LinkedIn: ⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/danjbarnett/⁠ 

This episodes guests are Comedian and Author Laura Lexx and Dr. Oliver Double, Reader in Comic and Popular Performance at the University of Kent.We talk about their new YouTube show and podcast "The Comedy Bureau" described as "set in afictional-but-familiar academic department within UNI - The University of Niche Interests.This dusty, underfunded - yet somehow still operating - department is staffed by two real-lifecharacters from opposite ends of the comedy world: full-time performer Lexx, and renownedcomedy scholar Double, once dubbed by Stewart Lee as 'the Charles Darwin of alternativecomedy'."We talk about dissecting comedy, how the show came about and the various areas around promoting a new show from Social Media clips through to YouTube thumbnails.Links:YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@the.comedy.bureau Laura Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/lexxlaura/ Oliver Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/oliver.double Laura Website: https://lauralexx.co.uk/Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-comedy-bureau/id1836934156 Episode Image: Karla Gowlett https://www.instagram.com/karlagowlett/

“TikTok is great for testing out new ideas really quickly and seeing what sticks and having those seeds of an idea, but writing an hour is completely different.So I'm able to build on those characters that I've tested out on TikTok but I've really enjoyed having a whole hour to carve out a whole story and weave in an arc and all of these kind of storytelling things.”Comedian Zara Gladman about her Fringe show and also her Sketch show Good For Her which aired on BBC Scotland and is also available to watch on iPlayer.We talk about turning characters developed on TikTok to ones that can be expanded both in a sketch show and also an hour long Edinburgh Fringe show, we discuss Zara’s use of social media to highlight the cost of putting on a Fringe show and also how the music of CMAT was a perfect fit to the end of Good For Her.Good for Her on iPlayer: https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m002fzvl/good-for-her Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/zanyzaz TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@zaragladman Website: http://www.zaragladman.com/ Find More about ‘Making Creativity Pay’Website: https://podcasting.makingcreativitypay.com/episodes/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/Beyond_the_Pod Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/makingcreativitypay/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/danjbarnett/ Making Creativity Pay Newsletter: https://makingcreativitypay.substack.com/ 

" I just wrote 40 pages, booked in a preview in October last year at the Bill Murray, knowing I didn't have an ending I was like, just do it, perform it, then chat to the audience. I even sold it as like, please don't come, to really thin out the people who were gonna go. So, I think we had like 30 people at the Bill Murray who were gathered, who were like the hardcore and wanted to see a play about a puffin."Stuart is at the Edinburgh Fringe this year with a variety of shows ranging from a play to stand-up to saying never for an hour dressed as Michael Caine.  We talk about the development of the shows, the difference between comedy in a play versus stand-up, his work directing others and creating shows with his production company Turtle Canyon.Tickets: https://www.edfringe.com/tickets/whats-on?search=true&text=stuart%20laws  Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/stuartlawscomedy/  Website: https://www.stuartlaws.com/ Podcast/Tour Dates etc., https://linktr.ee/stuartlawscomedy Turtle Canyon Comedy: https://www.instagram.com/turtlecanyoncom Sketchburn: https://www.sketchburn.com/  Stuart Laws: Is that Guy Still Going? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeOYMIEXu44 The Debuts (Fringe Film): https://youtu.be/U013qgaOJU0Find More about ‘Making Creativity Pay’Website: https://podcasting.makingcreativitypay.com/episodes/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/Beyond_the_Pod Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/makingcreativitypay/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/danjbarnett/ Making Creativity Pay Newsletter: https://makingcreativitypay.substack.com/ 

" I think it's important to be strategic going into the fringe and to have goals and to be very clear with yourself about what those goals are. But I think you need to phrase them in ways that can always come back to something you are in charge of.So your goal can never be, I want to win an award, or I want to get a five star review because somebody else decides that. But you can, you know, move all those same things internally to be like, I want to make the kind of show where I have explored this thing, or I use this technique, or the audience has this sort of experience from it.And then you just do that as well as you can really. " - Latest guest Comedian and Writer Joz Norris.Joz is at the Edinburgh Fringe this year with his show You Wait.Time Passes. We discuss developing the show and how he sees his role as a director for a number of other performers.We discuss creating work and getting it commissioned and how he used crowdfunding to create a pilot called The Happiness Chain.We also talk about Eggbox, an occasional evening at Pleasance Theatre in London which mixes live script readings and short films as well as his weekly newsletter which covers a wide range of subjects around creativity and comedy. Tickets: https://www.edfringe.com/tickets/whats-on/joz-norris-you-wait-time-passes    Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/joznorris  Website: https://www.joznorris.co.uk/ Newsletter: https://joznorris.substack.com/ Eggbox: https://www.instagram.com/eggboxcomedynight/ Find More about ‘Making Creativity Pay’Website: https://podcasting.makingcreativitypay.com/episodes/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/Beyond_the_Pod Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/makingcreativitypay/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/danjbarnett/ Making Creativity Pay Newsletter: https://makingcreativitypay.substack.com/ 

Social Media is another job, I don’t need another job.Sikisa is at the Edinburgh Fringe this year with her show Serving Justice, we discuss her being called the hardest working comedian on the circuit, her wrestling podcast and combining all this with a job as an immigration lawyer.We also talk about her taking part in Stuart Law’s film The Debuts that followed performers taking their debut shows to the Fringe.We recorded this on board The Tattershall Castle home of Boat Show Comedy Club in London, so you may hear the odd creak or two.Tickets:  https://www.edfringe.com/tickets/whats-on/sikisa-serving-justice Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/sikisacomedy/ Website:  https://www.sikisacomedy.com/ Wrestle Club UK Podcast: Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/6xlQkt1TNsB40KrhT3gfd5?si=f314bfc9df96467e Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/wrestleclub-uk-podcast/id1714805450 Stuart Laws’ film The Debuts: https://youtu.be/U013qgaOJU0?si=_pdbUfrOich_Ej6R Boat Show Comedy Club: https://www.boatshowcomedy.co.uk/ Find More about ‘Making Creativity Pay’Website: https://podcasting.makingcreativitypay.com/episodes/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/Beyond_the_Pod Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/makingcreativitypay/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/danjbarnett/ Making Creativity Pay Newsletter: https://makingcreativitypay.substack.com/ 

 When I first started introducing rap into comedy, I thought people would find it trickier to switch between the two, but they don't. I think people get used to, okay, we've got this rap, and then it stops, and then you move into doing standup, and then you do standup for a while, and then a rap comes in and it's a nice device to have as a comedian in terms of pacing and energy and keeping an audience engaged. - This episode's guest Rap Comedian Amelia Hamilton.Amelia is at the Edinburgh Fringe this year with her show Forget Me Not, we discuss the difference between a Rap Comedian and a Comedian Rapper, doing the right kind of flyering for the right audience as well as creating merch and putting together an album of her work.Tickets: https://www.edfringe.com/tickets/whats-on/amelia-hamilton-forget-me-not Instagram:  https://www.instagram.com/ameliahamiltoncomedy/ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@ameliahamiltoncomedy Website: https://ameliahamiltoncomedy.com/ Cover Art Design: https://www.instagram.com/walshjanelaura/ Cover Art Photo: https://www.instagram.com/bekor_/ Find More about ‘Making Creativity Pay’Website: https://podcasting.makingcreativitypay.com/episodes/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/Beyond_the_Pod Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/makingcreativitypay/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/danjbarnett/ Making Creativity Pay Newsletter: https://makingcreativitypay.substack.com/ 

It's a welcome return to the podcast for Comedian and Writer Kathleen Hughes, Kathleen previously appeared on the podcast in an episode with Jay Lafferty ahead of last year's fringe.  This episode was recorded earlier this year ahead of Kathleen’s final few performances of her 2024 Fringe show Cryptid, we talk about her experience at last year’s Fringe, the creative and financial reasons for taking on a two-year show cycle with having a shorter work in progress run of her new show Twig at this years Fringe.We talk about her further development of the humour mill which is a series of workshops and meetups that happen monthly in Edinburgh and Glasgow and also discuss why comedians love CMAT so much.Tickets: https://www.edfringe.com/tickets/whats-on/kathleen-hughes-twig-wip  Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kathleenwho_/ The Humour Mill: https://www.instagram.com/humourmill/ The Day I Died Podcast: Spotify https://open.spotify.com/show/4oYvbFbCwoKk5PWJK4SUfA?si=6b92bd4382724579 Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/gr/podcast/the-day-i-died/id1800712476 Cover Art Photo:  https://www.instagram.com/daruleofthirds/    Find More about ‘Making Creativity Pay’Website: https://podcasting.makingcreativitypay.com/episodes/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/Beyond_the_Pod Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/makingcreativitypay/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/danjbarnett/ Making Creativity Pay Newsletter: https://makingcreativitypay.substack.com/

This episode is with writer and Comedian Candace Bryan. We talk about her show MILF (Mom I’d Like to Find), moving from a ‘Coward’s Hour’ in 2023 to Debuting with a full show this year, her decisions behind venue choice and ticket price as well as her experiences in Roast Battles and how her Work in Progress shows have helped shape this show.We also talk about her writing career and the balance between being a writer and a performer.Tickets: https://www.edfringe.com/tickets/whats-on/candace-bryan-milf-mom-i-d-like-to-find Instagram:  https://www.instagram.com/candacebryan/ Website (including snails): https://www.candacebryan.com/ Soho Theatre Comedy Lab:https://sohotheatre.com/project/comedy-lab-stand-up/ https://sohotheatre.com/project/comedy-lab-plus/ Cover Art Photo: https://www.instagram.com/itsjamiehendo/ Cover Art Design: https://www.instagram.com/alexwbeighton/    Find More about ‘Making Creativity Pay’Website: https://podcasting.makingcreativitypay.com/episodes/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/Beyond_the_Pod Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/makingcreativitypay/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/danjbarnett/ Making Creativity Pay Newsletter: https://makingcreativitypay.substack.com/

“ every party we go to, every new person we meet, every workshop we're at, we plug the show which I think is always the way to go. Word of mouth.”This episode is with Sian Kayleigh on Pansy Productions about their upcoming show The Sentimental Value of a Half-Eaten Biscuit and the Psychological Ramifications of a Lost Hair Tie which is on at the Bread and Roses Theatre Clapham from 17th-19th JulyWe talk about how the show came together, why they picked the Bread and Roses Theatre, the difficulties of choosing a price point as well as challenges promoting the show.Tickets: https://www.breadandrosestheatre.co.uk/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/amandahursycomedian/    Find More about ‘Making Creativity Pay’Website: https://podcasting.makingcreativitypay.com/episodes/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/Beyond_the_Pod Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/makingcreativitypay/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/danjbarnett/ Making Creativity Pay Newsletter: https://makingcreativitypay.substack.com/

“ I've been in sales my whole life and I went for a promotion and my manager told me that I needed more confidence presenting and in true Glaswegian style, I thought, “is that right?” So I signed up to an open mic to prove him wrong and then I get booked back. So I've just kinda been going ever since”  Out latest guest is Comedian Amanda Hursy.  We talk about her upcoming Debut fringe show Carted, her experience as being one of the members of last years Best in Class cohort and what that entailed as well as discussing moving into scripted comedy as well as Stand Up.See Amanda’s Fringe Show - Carted 18:20 every day 30th July - 25th August https://www.edfringe.com/tickets/whats-on/amanda-hursy-carted Gilded Balloon: https://tickets.gildedballoon.co.uk/event/14:5830/ WiP Shows: https://linktr.ee/hursy Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/amandahursycomedian/ Best in Class: https://bestinclass.org.uk/    Find More about ‘Making Creativity Pay’Website: https://podcasting.makingcreativitypay.com/episodes/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/Beyond_the_Pod Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/makingcreativitypay/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/danjbarnett/ Making Creativity Pay Newsletter: https://makingcreativitypay.substack.com/ 

“ Just before my first work in progress, I got really sick, had a chest infection so I couldn't go to work for four days because I was on antibiotics, and it was great because I couldn't talk but I could write the show, and so I ended up accidentally having time to write."  - Our latest guest Holly Spillar.  We talk about her experience as a finalist at this years Musical Comedy Awards, the importance of the Keep it Fringe Fund and the challenges faced by trying to balance work and creativity, especially in London and how this fits in her upcoming fringe show, 'Tall Child'Fringe Show: Tall Child https://www.edfringe.com/tickets/whats-on/holly-spillar-tall-child Underbelly Bristo Square 30th July - 24th August (not 12th or 19th) @ 5:45pmInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/hollyspillar/  Episode Photo:  Jennifer Forward-Hayter https://www.instagram.com/jenny_graphic/ Find More about ‘Making Creativity Pay’Website: https://podcasting.makingcreativitypay.com/episodes/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/Beyond_the_Pod Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/makingcreativitypay/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/danjbarnett/ Making Creativity Pay Newsletter: https://makingcreativitypay.substack.com/