Means of Grace

In this episode of the Means of Grace podcast, hosts Jesse Enniss and John Yeager discuss the vital role of appreciation in ministry with Reverend Sally Queen, who shares her experiences as a district superintendent. The conversation explores the challenges faced by churches today, the importance of recognizing and valuing clergy, and practical ways for congregations to show appreciation. The episode emphasizes that gratitude is essential for fostering relationships and supporting mental health within the church community. In this conversation, the speakers discuss the profound impact of community support, the importance of acknowledgment in relationships, and the need for clergy to humanize themselves by sharing vulnerabilities. They explore the significance of timely gratitude and the lasting effects of kind words. The discussion also highlights the value of lay leadership and the vision for a welcoming future in the church, emphasizing that appreciation is a continuous practice that sustains relationships and ministry.   Announcements Clergy Day Apart - Thursday, Oct. 10, 2025  An Advent Retreat with Dr. Cynthia Weems: For Students, Teachers and Preachers of the Bible - Thursday, Nov. 13  The Serve Well newsletter on Clergy Appreciation eLead on Church Staff Appreciation Month

Summary In this episode of the Means of Grace podcast, John and Jesse host Rev. Pam Carter, Wanda Musgrave and Rev. Wayner Dickert who discuss the complex realities of Haiti, the legacy of Dr. Maklin Eugene, and the transformative power of community-driven initiatives. They share personal stories of connection, resilience, and the ongoing challenges faced by the Haitian people. The conversation emphasizes the importance of building relationships, learning from failures, and continuing the work that Dr. Eugene started, even in his absence. The guests reflect on their experiences in Haiti, the joy found in the communities, and the hope for the future as they honor Dr. Eugene's legacy. Dr. Eugene Maklin: A Tireless Healer, Visionary Leader, and Beloved Friend Partners 4 Hope

In this episode of the Means of Grace podcast, we delve into the multifaceted role of Yadkin Valley's new district superintendent, Rev. Dr. Mark Conforti. Join us as we explore how this position blends administration with pastoral care, history with vision, and the strategic with the spiritual. Learn more about the ministries and opportunities of the Yadkin Valley District. Tune in for insights into the heart and mind of a leader committed to nurturing both clergy and laity in their spiritual journeys.

In this episode of the Means of Grace podcast, Jesse Enniss and John Yeager discuss the importance of connection in ministry, especially during challenging times. They emphasize the need for clergy and lay leaders to engage with their communities, share stories of transformation, and embrace creativity in reimagining congregations. The conversation also highlights the significance of technology and financial stewardship in supporting ministry efforts. Ultimately, the hosts remind listeners that they are not alone in their journey and encourage open communication and connection within the church community.   Bishop Carter's AC2025 Sermon Bishop Carter's Substack Grinding the Beans United Methodist Foundation of Western NC Website WNCC Leadership Development Website WNCC Social Media Channels Contact us at jyeager@wnccumc.net or jenniss@wnccumc.net

In this episode of the Means of Grace podcast, Reverend Jesse Enniss and Reverend John Yeager discuss the intersection of faith and civil disobedience, particularly in the context of the Moral Monday Movement. Special guest Reverend Joel Simpson shares his personal experiences of activism, including his participation in protests and the significance of community engagement in the fight for justice. The conversation highlights the importance of being actively engaged in faith and standing against injustice, encouraging listeners to find their own ways to participate in social activism. They explore historical examples of civil disobedience in the Bible, the role of clergy in advocating for social justice, and the impact of recent budget cuts on vulnerable communities. Show Notes: News Story Poor Man's Campaign Moral Mondays Repairers of the Breach Event  

In this episode of Means of Grace, host Reverend John Yeager is joined by Bishop Ken Carter and Reverend Kim Ingram to reflect on the recent Annual Conference held at Lake Junaluska. They discuss the significance of the location, the moments of holy conferencing, and the impact of Hurricane Helene on the community. The conversation highlights the importance of youth ministry, the recent uptick in ordinations, and the need for diversity and inclusion within the church. They also address constitutional amendments and the vision for a healing-centered church that prioritizes justice and community connection.   Show Notes: Beyond 2025 Annual Conference 2025 WNCC Creation Care Ministry Camps and Retreats Disaster Ministries Trauma and Conflict: Resources for Healing  

In this episode of the Means of Grace podcast, Reverend Jesse Enniss and Reverend John Yeager celebrate Jesse's graduation from Duke Divinity School and reflect on their experiences in seminary and ministry. The conversation also touches on the ongoing journey of learning and the challenges and opportunities that lie ahead for clergy in the United Methodist Church. They delve into the significance of ordination and the various amendments being proposed at the upcoming Annual Conference, including issues of inclusiveness, racial justice, and voting qualifications for clergy. The dialogue highlights the need for adaptability within the church while maintaining core beliefs, and the importance of clergy supporting one another in their journeys. Visit ac2025.org for more information on Annual Conference.  Learn more about the AC2025 Constitutional Amendments. 

In this episode of the Means of Grace podcast, Jesse Enniss, John Yeager, and Reverend Dan Pezet explore the deeper meanings of Easter, emphasizing that it is not merely a celebration of traditions but a profound invitation to embrace hope, transformation, and the reality of resurrection. They discuss the importance of recognizing change in identity, the healing power of letting go, and the necessity for churches to adapt to current realities. The conversation highlights the significance of living as 'resurrection people' and finding joy amidst grief, ultimately encouraging listeners to embrace the wisdom of closure and the potential for new beginnings. This conversation explores the themes of change, personal growth, and legacy within church leadership. They discuss the importance of embracing change, the challenges of navigating transitions, and the lessons learned from failures. The conversation culminates in a vision for the church's future, emphasizing the need for connection and collaboration in a rapidly changing landscape. Show Notes: You Only Have to Die: Leading Your Congregation to New Life by James A. Harnish Means of Grace Ep. 147: Peace Conference 2025 with Beth Crissman Chapters 03:50 The Ship of Theseus: Identity and Change 09:38 Living as Resurrection People 45:30 Epic Fails 52:42 Dreaming Big for the Future of the Church

This edition of the Means of Grace features a conversation with Rev. Joel Simpson, pastor of First UMC in Taylorsville, NC.  Joel has a heart for justice and the poor and marginalized. In May 2025, Joel, Shane Claiborne, and three other faith activists were arrested while protesting the GOP budget bill.    In April 2022, Joel, along with Shane Claiborne, led participants through the stations of the cross.  The stations included images that portrayed the execution of Jesus as painted by men awaiting their own execution of Tennessee's death row.  We talk about how that came about and how Joel and the church engage in justice ministries.    Show notes: Joel Simpson email to connect with him: jsimpson@wnccumc.net Holy Week exhibit: Are We Continuing to Execute Jesus? WNC United Methodists Grapple with the Death Penalty During Holy Week (wnccumc.org)                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Poor People's Campaign: Poor People's Campaign – A National Call for Moral Revival (poorpeoplescampaign.org) Shane Claiborne : shane claiborne 957 mobile café - Home (957mobilecafe.org) Equal Justice Initiative Home (eji.org) advocates for criminal justice reform and racial justice. General Board of Church and Society GBCS Home • GBCS (umcjustice.org) Dontae Sharpe documentary: BBC News Channel - Justice Delayed

In this episode of the Means of Grace podcast, Jesse Enniss and John Yeager engage with Reverend Beth Crissman to reflect on the recent Peace Conference held at Lake Junaluska. They explore the themes of peace, action, reconciliation, and love, emphasizing the importance of confronting discomfort and fostering leadership for future generations. The conversation delves into the historical context of the Peace Conference, its evolution, and the critical role of mentorship in peace building efforts. The episode highlights the necessity of justice in achieving true peace and the challenges that come with it. The conversation explores the themes of inclusivity, confronting Christian nationalism, reflections on the Peace Conference, grassroots community organizing, future visions for peace gatherings, and learning from failures. Rev. Beth Crissman emphasizes the importance of inviting all faiths to the Peace Conference while acknowledging the need for the Christian community to confront its complicity in societal issues. The discussion highlights the success of the recent conference, the significance of grassroots organizing, and the vision for future peace initiatives within the United Methodist Church. Crissman also shares insights on leadership and the importance of learning from past mistakes.   Chapters 00:00 Introduction to the Peace Conference and Its Themes 05:00 The Historical Context and Evolution of the Peace Conference 09:49 Reimagining the Peace Conference for Future Generations 14:59 The Role of Leadership and Mentorship in Peacebuilding 19:58 The Importance of Discomfort in the Journey to Peace 25:51 Inclusivity in the Peace Conference 29:10 Confronting Christian Nationalism 30:11 Reflections on the Peace Conference 36:04 Grassroots Community Organizing 37:26 Vision for Future Peace Conferences 43:40 Learning from Failures  

In this episode we revisit a great conversation that continues to edify us during the Lenten season.  In recognition of the Lenten season, Bishop Ken Carter interviews Dr. Clifton Black, an Elder in the Western North Carolina Conference and authority on the Gospel of Mark. A native North Carolinian, Dr. Black talks about the connection the Gospel of Mark has with the Lenten season, as well as what makes it stand out from the other three Gospels of the New Testament.   Learn more about the WNCC 2024 Lenten spiritual practices. 

In this episode of the Means of Grace podcast, hosts Jesse Enniss and John Yeager engage in a heartfelt conversation with Megan Habich, exploring the themes of Lent, wilderness experiences, and personal growth. They discuss the significance of introspection during Lent, the challenges of navigating difficult moments, and the importance of community support. Megan shares her insights on vocational discernment and the future of the church, emphasizing the need for a cultural shift towards recognizing everyone's calling. The conversation highlights the transformative power of embracing vulnerability and the journey of faith.   Chapters 00:00 Introduction to the Wilderness Experience 04:25 Understanding Lent and Its Significance 10:04 Navigating Wilderness Moments 15:10 The Importance of Being Present 21:19 Overcoming Resistance to Introspection 25:50 Growing Through Adversity 27:39 Introspection and Personal Growth 29:52 The Journey of Parenthood 33:23 Embracing Control and Fear 38:39 Dreams for the Future of the Church 44:57 Strangely Heartwarming Stories 45:39 Epic Fails and Lessons Learned 46:58 Embracing Wilderness Moments  

In this episode of the Means of Grace podcast, hosts Jesse Enniss and John Yeager discuss their experiences at the Fresh Expressions Conference. They explore themes of connection, community, and the evolving nature of church, emphasizing the importance of listening to neighbors and adapting to new contexts. The conversation highlights the role of creativity in worship, the need for economic justice, and the concept of church leaders as 'sheepdogs' guiding their communities. The hosts reflect on the spirit of holy chaos that characterizes Fresh Expressions and the potential for transformation within established churches. Chapters 00:00 Introduction to Fresh Expressions Conference 02:57 The Evolution of Church and Fresh Expressions 05:56 Experiences from the Fresh Expressions Conference 08:54 Creative Worship and Community Engagement 11:58 The Role of the Holy Spirit in Fresh Expressions 14:43 Personal Moments and Church Opportunities 17:40 Defining Fresh Expressions 20:35 Adapting Church Plans for Fresh Expressions 23:25 Conclusion and Reflections on the Conference 24:13 Conference Insights and Personal Experiences 27:08 Diverse Perspectives and Community Engagement 33:44 Fresh Expressions and the Future of Faith  

In this episode of the Means of Grace podcast, hosts Jesse Enniss and John Yeager, along with guests Michelle Chappell and Greg Huffman, delve into the multifaceted concept of sanctuary within the church and its implications in contemporary society. They explore the historical context of sanctuary, the legal challenges faced by religious institutions, and the intersection of faith and law. The conversation highlights the ongoing struggle for religious freedom and the role of the church in providing refuge for the vulnerable amidst political and legal pressures. The conversation explores the intersection of legal, theological, and practical aspects of sanctuary policies in churches, particularly in the context of immigration enforcement. The speakers discuss the historical legal framework that protected sensitive locations from ICE enforcement, the theological implications of sanctuary as a place of safety, and the practical steps churches can take to prepare for potential ICE actions. They also address the impact of current policies on church communities, emphasizing the need for awareness and action in uncertain times.   Chapters 00:00 Exploring the Concept of Sanctuary 07:18 Historical Context of Sanctuary in America 13:52 Legal Challenges to Sanctuary 18:50 Faith and Law: A Complex Relationship 26:39 Political Influences on Religious Freedom 31:50 Reflections on the Future of Sanctuary 35:40 Legal Framework of Sanctuary Policies 46:07 Theological Implications of Sanctuary 51:15 Practical Guidance for Churches 57:35 Impact of Policies on Church Communities  

Jesse Enniss and Reverend John Yeager engage with Rob Hutchinson to explore the theme of mystery in modern faith. They discuss how churches can embrace mystery in their teachings and practices, the importance of community in navigating uncertainties, and the role of scripture in understanding faith. The conversation emphasizes that faith often requires belief in the unknown and that engaging with others enriches the spiritual journey.  Rob Hutchinson discusses the importance of dialogue over debate in spiritual discernment, emphasizing humility and openness to different perspectives. He explores the willingness to embrace mystery in faith and the challenges churches face in navigating change. Hutchinson envisions a future where the church is defined by what it becomes rather than where it meets, advocating for a community that actively seeks God's presence in everyday life.   Chapters 00:00 Embracing Mystery in Modern Faith 05:28 Scriptural Foundations of Mystery 13:57 The Role of Community in Navigating Mystery 19:49 Seeking God's Voice Together 21:21 The Power of Dialogue Over Debate 23:02 Embracing Mystery in Faith 26:45 Navigating Change in Church Culture 30:55 The Future of Church: Becoming vs. Attending 34:56 A Vision for the Church's Transformation  

In this episode of the Means of Grace podcast, hosts Jesse Enniss and John Yeager delve into the profound significance of baptism, exploring its historical roots, theological implications, and its role in shaping identity within the Christian faith. They discuss how baptism transcends mere tradition, serving as a bold declaration of faith and a transformative experience that challenges societal norms. The conversation also touches on the varying perspectives on baptism across different Christian denominations, emphasizing the importance of understanding its deeper meaning in a world of shifting identities.  Jesse and John explore the significance of baptism within the Christian faith, particularly in the context of the United Methodist Church. They discuss the differences between infant and believer's baptism, the concept of prevenient grace, and the role of community in the baptism process. The conversation also touches on various baptism practices across different Christian traditions, the relationship between baptism and church membership, and the importance of identity in Christ. The hosts emphasize that baptism is not just a personal act but a communal one, reflecting the grace of God and the responsibilities of the church community. Chapters: 00:00 Exploring the Meaning of Baptism 14:15 Historical Perspectives on Baptism 20:27 The Roots of Baptism in Jewish Tradition 29:04 Baptism: Identity and Transformation 37:12 Theological Perspectives on Baptism 38:04 The Significance of Baptism 41:02 Infant vs. Believer's Baptism 44:52 Understanding Prevenient Grace 51:12 The Role of Community in Baptism 57:00 Baptism Practices Across Traditions 01:01:52 Baptism and Church Membership 01:07:50 Identity in Christ and Community 01:12:12 Closing Reflections on Baptism  

In this episode of the Means of Grace podcast, Jesse Enniss and John Yeager delve into the pervasive issue of burnout, exploring its emotional, physical, and spiritual dimensions. They discuss the importance of recognizing burnout, the necessity of rest, and how cultural attitudes towards work can impact our well-being. The conversation emphasizes that rest is not a luxury but a vital part of life, modeled by God and essential for maintaining spiritual health.    John and Jesse explore the themes of burnout, rest, and community support. They discuss the cultural shift regarding Sunday rest, the importance of acknowledging burnout, and the need for community in overcoming challenges. The concept of 'quiet quitting' is introduced as a response to burnout, emphasizing the necessity of renewal and resilience. They highlight the balance between being resilient and the need for rest, and the importance of preparing for the unknown. The conversation concludes with a celebration of community accomplishments and the encouragement to listen for God's guidance.   Chapters   00:00 Understanding Burnout: A Modern Struggle 05:09 Recognizing the Signs of Burnout 12:31 The Necessity of Rest in Our Lives 18:05 Cultural Perspectives on Work and Rest 24:35 The Spiritual Dimension of Rest 27:04 The Cultural Shift of Sunday Rest 28:58 Acknowledging Burnout and Its Signs 30:48 The Importance of Community and Rest 32:58 Understanding Quiet Quitting 36:01 The Role of Renewal in Overcoming Burnout 41:02 Resilience and Its Balance with Rest 46:03 Preparing for the Unknown: The Need for Rest 48:59 Celebrating Accomplishments and Community Support  

In today's episode of the Means of Grace podcast, hosts Jesse Enniss, John Yeager and Jonathan LeMaster-Smith discuss the critical role of youth in the church, exploring the challenges of youth engagement, the importance of authenticity and vulnerability in ministry, and the misconceptions surrounding youth ministry. They are joined by special guest Shannon LeMaster-Smith, who emphasizes the need for churches to empower youth as co-creators in ministry and to adapt to their needs and interests. The conversation also touches on practical approaches to engaging youth and the vision for the future of youth ministry, highlighting the potential for transformation and renewal within the church community.   Chapters   00:00 The Role of Youth in the Church 07:53 Understanding Youth Engagement Challenges 14:39 Authenticity and Vulnerability in Youth Ministry 19:04 Misconceptions in Youth Ministry 29:37 Empowering Youth as Co-Creators 35:30 Practical Approaches to Youth Engagement 51:09 Dreaming of the Future of Youth Ministry  

In this episode of the Means of Grace podcast, hosts Jesse Enniss and John Yeager discuss the importance of failure in personal and spiritual growth. They are joined by Charles DiRico, who shares his journey through the challenges of ordination and how his perceived failures led to significant ministry opportunities. The conversation emphasizes the value of vulnerability, mentorship, and the unexpected blessings that can arise from setbacks.    In this conversation, Jesse, John and Chris explore the themes of faith, ministry, and the importance of embracing failure and risk-taking in church leadership. They discuss the significance of being open to God's guidance, the value of organic conversations in ministry, and the need to engage with marginalized communities. The dialogue emphasizes the historical roots of Methodism in serving the poor and the necessity of taking ministry beyond the walls of the church to authentically represent the kingdom of God.   Chapters   00:00 The Power of Failure 08:11 Introducing Charles DiRico 15:35 Epic Fails: Personal Stories 20:27 Advice for Navigating Failure 27:40 Embracing Unknown Blessings 29:59 Navigating Open Doors and Opportunities 31:59 Encouraging a Culture of Risk and Failure 34:00 Holy Chaos: Engaging in Community Ministry 38:03 The Importance of Organic Conversations in Ministry 44:01 Rediscovering the Heart of Methodism 50:01 Taking Ministry Beyond Church Walls  

On Election Day, we wanted to share something a little bit different. Instead of having a lively conversation with John and Jesse, we are sharing with you a prayer service for peaceful elections that was recorded by our cabinet and some members of the Western North Carolina Conference staff. This service includes a message from Bishop Carter along with scripture readings and prayers. It's a powerful resource that we hope will help to promote a peaceful transition of power at the local, state and federal levels. As you listen to this, we hope that it brings you some peace in today's anxieties that it helps to foster unity and hope through prayer, that together, we can seek God's guidance for our leaders and communities during this pivotal time.