NCSL Podcasts

Learn about the people, policies and politics of America's state legislatures with NCSL's three podcasts: "Our American States," "Across the Aisle" and the special limited series "Building Democracy."

Power and the People: Distributed Energy Resources and Virtual Power Plants | OAS Episode 252

Distributed energy resources or DERs, things such as rooftop solar panels on homes and small businesses, home or business batteries and electric vehicles are an important option in managing demand for electricity. When these resources are combined through the use of software, they can create what’s called a virtual power plant.On this podcast, we talk with two experts in the field: Rebekah de la Mora, a senior policy analyst at the North Carolina Clean Energy Technology Center, and Lakin Garth, senior director of grid strategy at the Smart Electric Power Alliance. They discussed state legislation and regulations that affect DERs and the benefits to consumers. Garth also explained how DERs can be aggregated to form virtual power plants that a utility can use to manage peak power demand.N.B.: The NC Clean Energy Technology Center offers complimentary copies of the 50 State studies to federal and state legislators and staffers, utility commissioners, utility commission staff, state consumer advocate office staff, and state energy office staff. Contact the center to request a copy. Resources50 State Reports, NC Clean Energy Technology CenterDatabase of State Incentives for Renewables & Efficiency, NC Clean Energy Technology CenterDistributed Energy Resources 101, NCSLNC Clean Energy Technology CenterSmart Energy Power Alliance

11-23
46:50

Unretirement and the Over-50 Worker | OAS Episode 251

On this episode, we talk with Carly Roszkowski, vice president of financial resilience programming at AARP. She joined the podcast on the sidelines of NCSL's Legislative Summit in Boston in August where she was appearing on a panel called “Unretirement: Rethinking Work in the Age of Longevity.”She explained how demographic trends mean the lion's share of the workforce growth is among the over-50 crowd, and in a related trend, that more than a fifth of retirees are working full or part-time jobs. Roszkowski also discussed the inherent bias in many automated systems that screen job applicants. The companies she talks with, however, are eager to try to eliminate that bias because they value keeping and attracting older workers. Resources Work and Jobs, AARP

11-09
27:19

Private Equity and Health Care | OAS Episode 250

Private equity investment in health care facilities has grown substantially in the past decade. There have been hundreds of such acquisitions of health care facilities in the past decade, including physician practices, nursing home facilities, and hospitals involving hundreds of billions of dollars.At its most basic, private equity investors take over a health care company with the intention of increasing its value and reselling it for a profit. Advantages of such a strategy can be more capital investment and management expertise. Downsides include the use of leveraged buyouts that could saddle the acquired company with high levels of debt. On this episode, we’re joined by Dr. Zuri Song, an associate professor of health care policy and medicine at Harvard Medical School, and an expert on the financial incentives, public policies, and private sector investment in the health care system. Dr. Song explained what research has found in studying private equity acquisitions in health care. On average, he said, these investments raise real concerns about both patient outcomes and access to care.State legislatures are at the forefront of regulation in this area with much of the regulation focusing on increased transparency into these transactions. I talked with two state legislators to get their perspective: Senator Tyler Johnson, a Republican from Indiana who is also a physician, and Senator Cindy Friedman, a Democrat from Massachusetts. They each discussed the legislative action in their states and how they view private equity investment.ResourcesThe Evolving Landscape of State Health Care Transaction Laws, NCSL Health Costs, Coverage and Delivery Database, NCSL 

10-26
42:46

Energy Security for Tribal Lands | OAS Episode 249

Tribal households in this country pay more than the average for electricity, and members of tribes often face a higher energy burden--the percentage of household income spent on energy—than many people. Also, there also are about 17,000 homes on tribal land have no electricity, according to a 2023 U.S. Department of Energy report to Congress. The report also noted the critical need for electricity infrastructure on tribal lands, some of which has been addressed through federal grants, loans and technical assistance to tribes.On this episode we discussed energy security and energy challenges in Indian Country with Daniel Cardenas Jr., the CEO, president and chairman of the board of the National Tribal Energy Association, and Trent Marlett, energy manager for the utility authority of the Choctaw Nation of Oklahoma.Cardenas’ organization represents the four largest energy producing tribes. He noted that access to reasonably priced electricity is the greatest concern for tribal members and said the vast energy resources on tribal lands mean the future of energy is going to include them. Marlett explained how the Choctaw Nation works with their state energy generators to manage new projects and to try to stay up with the growth in the area and how folks in his state view energy security.ResourcesChoctaw Nation of OklahomaNational Tribal Energy Association

10-19
38:08

Getting Back to College | OAS Episode 248

There are more than 38 million people in the U.S. under 65 who have completed some college courses but did not receive a degree or certificate. Dozens of states have set ambitious post-secondary goals and part of reaching those goals includes bringing those back into the educational system. On this episode, we get the perspective from two people about how to bring those learners back into the system. Terah Crews is the CEO of ReUp Education, an focused on that population. Illinois Representative La Shawn Ford (D), who chairs the Appropriations Higher Education Committee in the Illinois House, has worked on programs to get people to re-enroll in college in his state. Crews discussed how ReUp is working with states to cast a wide net, not only for people close to finishing their degrees, but also for people who might need more support and alternative ways of taking classes, such as online courses. She also discussed some of the barriers people face and how states can help them get back on track to finishing their education. Ford explained that getting people back to school to finish a degree is key to upward mobility and legislation in Illinois is aimed at clearing some of the barriers people find to returning to school.ResourcesNCSL Higher Education Task Force Report.Rep. La Shawn K. Ford WebsiteReUp Education

10-05
33:49

The Long View of Legislative Reform | OAS Episode 247

On this episode, we’re joined by Pev Squire, a political science professor at the University of Missouri and an expert on state legislatures. He's the author of several books on legislatures and government, and he joined the podcast to discuss his latest book, “Reforming Legislatures: American Voters and State Ballot Measures 1792- 2020.” The deep dive into about 1,500 ballot measures related to the operations of the legislature that were put to voters over more than 300 years provided Squire with a number of insights.We discussed how voters view ethics, the qualities they want to see in their lawmakers and the healthy skepticism voters have about legislatures. Squire also explained what he learned about the notion that voters love their own lawmaker but hate the legislature.ResourcesPev Squire Bio

09-28
18:41

The Potential of Geothermal Power | OAS Episode 246

On this episode, we dive into geothermal energy, a process that involves tapping into underground reservoirs of heat and steam and using that heat either directly or to generate electricity. Geothermal is attracting the attention of state lawmakers who are looking for additional clean energy sources, new techniques to generate geothermal energy by pumping water into heated layers of the Earth, make geothermal an option in areas of the country where the underground reservoirs of hot water have disappeared. Joining the podcast to explain the issue are Sarah Jewett, vice president for strategy at Fervo Energy, and Alex McWard, who tracks energy issues for NCSL. Jewett had explained the history of the geothermal industry, how new techniques have changed the outlook for geothermal and the role she thinks this energy sector will play as demand increases sharply for electricity. McWard pointed to a few states that have taken legislative action to encourage geothermal development and why some state lawmakers are excited about the potential of geothermal. ResourcesFervo EnergyWebinar: “Heating Up: The Emergence of Geothermal Energy,” NCSL

09-14
30:47

Advice and Some Memories From Staff Veterans | OAS Episode 245

On this episode, two legislative staffers offer some advice to people new to working at the legislature. Kate Wolf, a legislative aide in the Nebraska Legislature, and Morgan Hall, a fiscal analyst in the Georgia House budget office talked about surprises early in their careers, what attracted them to legislative service and what they wish they'd known before they started their jobs.ResourcesLegislative Staff Resources, NCSL

09-07
18:18

Understanding Kids, Smartphones and Social Media | OAS Episode 244

On this episode we sat down with Zach Rausch, the chief researcher at the Tech and Society Lab at NYU, and the lead researcher for “The Anxious Generation,” by Jonathan Haidt, which was published last year. The core thesis of the book is that we've been overprotecting children in the real world and underprotecting them in the online world. The book points to data about Gen Z, the generation born from the mid-’90s to about 2010 showing significant increases in anxiety, depression and suicide. The book goes further and makes the case that it is the combination of the smartphone and social media apps that are the root of the problem.We recorded this interview on the sidelines of NCSL’s Legislative Summit in Boston where he appeared on a panel with other experts discussing young people, social media and public policy.ResourcesAfter Babel SubstackSocial Media and Children, 2025 Legislation, NCSLZach Rausch website

08-24
25:53

NCSL Legislative Summit: Day 3 | Aug. 6, 2025

This is our third podcast from NCSL’s Legislative Summit in Boston where the organization is celebrating its 50th anniversary.Joining today's show with some some international perspective are Mark Daly, the chair of the Irish Senate, and Ruth Bajada, the deputy chief of mission for the European Union delegation to the U.S. On Monday and Tuesday I spoke with current and incoming presidents and staff chairs for NCSL. You can check those out wherever you get your podcasts. ResourcesCelebrating 50 years of NCSLNCSL's Legislative Summit

08-06
27:51

NCSL Legislative Summit: Day 2 | Aug. 5, 2025

We're coming to you again today from NCSL’s Legislative Summit in Boston where the organization is celebrating its 50th anniversary.Today's guests are Illinois Rep. Marcus Evans Jr., the incoming president of NCSL, and Lonnie Edgar, deputy director for Mississippi’s Joint Legislative Committee on Performance Evaluation and Expenditure Review and the incoming NCSL staff chair. They will both assume their new positions on Wednesday at the NCSL Business Meeting.ResourcesCelebrating 50 years of NCSLNCSL's Legislative Summit  

08-05
13:55

NCSL Legislative Summit: Day 1 | Aug. 4, 2025

For today's episode, we're podcasting from NCSL’s Legislative Summit in Boston where the organization is celebrating its 50th anniversary.We're positing podcasts Aug. 4, 5 and 6 with some voices from the Summit. Today our guests are  Utah Sen. Wayne Harper, the president of NCSL,  and John Snyder, the Transportation Committee staff administrator for the Kentucky Legislative Research Commission and the NCSL staff chair. Tomorrow, joining us will be Illinois Rep. Marcus Evans Jr., the incoming president of NCSL, and Lonnie Edgar, deputy director for Mississippi’s Joint Legislative Committee on Performance Evaluation and Expenditure Review and the incoming NCSL staff chair.And on Wednesday, we'll sit down with two international visitors to get their perspective on the Summit and why working with state lawmakers is important for their nations.ResourcesCelebrating 50 years of NCSLNCSL's Legislative Summit

08-04
17:56

NCSL at 50: The Legacy of Legislators | OAS Episode 240

This episode is the fourth and final show in a series celebrating and exploring the 50th anniversary of NCSL. On this episode, the focus is on legislators. Along with Senator Lee, two other lawmakers offer their perspective on the role of state legislator. Also joining the discussion are Tim Storey, the CEO of NCSL, two political scientists with deep knowledge of state legislatures and an NCSL researcher with results of the latest survey of legislators. Earlier episodes charted the history of legislatures in the U.S., how the institution of the legislature evolved and the critical role of legislative staff. ResourcesNCSL Marks 50th Anniversary of Strengthening States

08-03
16:17

Worker Benefits in the New Economy | OAS Episode 239

Nearly 60 million people in the U.S. fall into the broad category of independent workers. Those include contract, temporary and gig workers. Their jobs do not fall neatly into employer-connected benefit systems, so policymakers increasingly are exploring benefits that are instead attached to the worker. Several states have enacted legislation allowing portable benefits to be set up in their state. Other states have created programs that offer automatic enrollment for employees without access to an employer-sponsored plan. All those efforts are aimed at expanding the ways people save for retirement and other needs. On this episode to discuss the issue are John Scott, director of the Retirement Savings Project at Pew, Kristen Sharp of the Flex Association and Karen Kavanaugh, who's working with Tufts University on the Working While Caring Initiative.All three talked about how the worker benefits system can better serve people in the changing economy and provide them with greater financial security.Scott laid out the scale of the challenge to improve financial security for Americans and Sharp discussed how portable benefits can help the people her group serves, the millions of people whose work is app-based and need a better system to receive benefits. Kavanaugh is focused on how benefits employers provide can be better shaped to help the tens of millions of people in this country with caregiving responsibilities. She's overseeing a pilot project that's exploring how smaller employers can build in the flexibility needed by many caregivers. ResourcesPortable Benefits for Independent Contractors: A Framework for State Policymaking, NCSLStates, Employers Weigh Portable Benefits for Independent Workers, NCSLWorkers Without Access to Retirement Benefits Struggle to Build Wealth, Pew 

07-20
41:37

Helping Wildlife Cross the Road | OAS Episode 238

Our focus on this episode is wildlife crossings, underpasses or bridges built just for animals. Millions of animals are killed by vehicles annually on U.S. roads, ranging from large mammals like deer to smaller creatures like squirrels and birds. Animal-vehicle collisions result in about 200 human deaths and 26,000 injuries each year.Joining the podcast to discuss the issue are Matt Skroch, director of Pew’s U.S. Conservation Project for the western U.S. and Alaska; Senator Mimi Stewart, a Democrat from New Mexico; and Rep. Katie Zolnikov, a Republican from Montana. Skroch explained the dimensions of the problem and why a nation with about 4 million miles of roadway has a significant challenge with vehicle-animal collisions. He also noted that states are studying and acting on the issue. In fact, nine states have enacted legislation related to wildlife crossings since 2020. I asked Senator Stewart and Representative Zolnikov, both of whom sponsored legislation on wildlife crossings in their states, to explain how state lawmakers are tackling the issue.Stewart discussed the extensive planning that was done in New Mexico and how the fund received $50 million for this legislative year, the largest single amount appropriated for crossings in any state in a single year.Zolnikov explained that Montana is No. 2 in vehicle-animal collisions in the country on a per capita basis and how the state is building up its fund to pay for crossings.ResourcesPew U.S. Conservation Project

07-13
39:30

Security Challenges of Utilities in Rural America | OAS Episode 237

Electrical co-ops and public power utilities provide service to about a 100 million Americans, including many rural parts of the nation and counties with persistent poverty. They have many of the same concerns about both physical and cybersecurity as investor-owned utilities, but different challenges in terms of terrain, staffing and resources.On this episode, we focus on those challenges and how utilities in rural parts of the country are coping. Our guests are John Ransom, director of regulatory affairs for grid security for the National Rural Electric Cooperative Association, and Adrienne Lotto, senior vice president for grid security at the American Public Power Association. John and Adrienne discussed some of those unique challenges, how they work with state regulators and how something like high turnover in state energy offices can complicate their efforts. ResourcesAmerican Public Power AssociationNational Rural Electric Cooperative Association

06-22
26:40

A New Approach to Competency to Stand Trial | OAS Episode 236

A core tenet of the U.S. legal system is that an accused person must be competent to stand trial, which means a defendant can understand the charges against them and assist their lawyer in preparing a defense. In practice, defendants who need to be evaluated for competency often spend long periods in confinement because of a shortage of behavioral health services. When they are finally released, it's usually without ongoing care. On this episode, we spoke with three people who are involved in efforts to reform the process used to determine a defendant's mental competency: Indiana Supreme Court Chief Justice Loretta Rush and two Colorado legislators, Senator Judy Amabile, a Democrat, and Senator Byron Pelton, a Republican.Chief Justice Rush explained the dimensions of the problem and discussed how a national task force on the issue developed. Policy recommendations. Senator Amabile, who has sponsored legislation on the issue talked about how Colorado ended up with a significant backlog of cases. Senator Pelton explained some of the unique challenges people in rural America face when dealing with behavioral health issues. Resources“Legislative Primer Series on Front-End Justice: Competency to Stand Trial,” NCSL“Juvenile Justice: States with Juvenile Competency Laws,” NCSL

06-15
39:34

Shortages in the Behavioral Health Workforce | OAS Episode 235

Our focus on this episode is the behavioral health workforce. More than a third of the U.S. population lives in areas with shortages of psychologists, counselors and social workers, and nearly two-thirds of shortage areas are rural. Those workforce shortages occur during a period when many experts, including those at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, have concluded we have a mental health crisis. Data from the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration, or SAMHSA, indicates that for more than two decades half the people in need of behavioral health services in the U.S. did not receive them. Joining the discussion are Karmen Hanson, a senior fellow at NCSL; Brianna Lombardi, an assistant professor at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill; and Jeff Shumway, the director of Utah’s Office of Professional Licensure Review.Lombardi discussed her experiences in researching the workforce shortage and explained some its complexities. Shumway gave a state-level perspective on how regulation can affect the workforce. Hanson broke down the efforts in legislatures to address the workforce issues.ResourcesAllied Health Professions: Considerations for State Legislatures, NCSLHealth Workforce Legislation Database, NCSLHealth Care Workforce Resources, NCSLScope of Practice Policy Database, NCSL 

06-08
30:07

The Growing Role of Biosimilars | OAS Episode 234

Biosimilars, a group of drugs that are similar to biologic drugs, which are medications produced using living organisms and are often used to treat complex medical conditions. Biosimilars were first introduced to the prescription drug market about a decade ago and as of March, the FDA had approved scores of products that may be used interchangeably for some of the most expensive brand-name biologic pharmaceuticals, treating conditions such as diabetes and cancer. While biologics make up only about 2% of prescriptions, they account for as much as 46% of total drug spending in the U.S.The three guests on this podcast all have expertise on different aspects of this topic and discuss the use of biosimilar medicines in health care and the possible cost savings when they are used in place of originator biologic medications. Luca Maini is an economist who studies the pharmaceutical industry and is an assistant professor at Harvard Medical School. Chad Pettit is executive director of global government affairs for Amgen, a biotechnology company. Erin Glossop is a policy specialist at NCSL who follows state policies around pharmaceuticals.Maini discussed his research into how the introduction of biosimilars into a market affects the price of brand-name biologics. Pettit explained the perspective from the biotechnology industry and how he thinks the industry will develop in the next several years. Glossop explained how some states are developing bipartisan policy around biosimilar access and efforts to find cost-savings these products might offer. ResourcesAmgen BiosimilarsAssessing the Biosimilar Void in the U.S., IQVIABiosimilars in the United States 2023-2027, IQVIABiosimilar Uptake In The US: Patient And Prescriber Factors, Dongzhe Hong, et al.Coverage for Biosimilars vs Reference Products Among US Commercial Health Plans, James D. Chambers, et al.Exploring the Influence of Health Insurance Plans on Biosimilar Adoption Rates, Mariana Socal, et al.Factors Associated with Biosimilar Exclusions and Step Therapy Restrictions Among US Commercial Health Plans, Tianzhou Yu, et al.Luca Maini website

05-25
34:24

The Power of Saying No | OAS Episode 233

Defiance is often thought as a negative trait, but as our guest on this podcast explains, it can actually be a positive force both in the workplace and in our lives generally. Dr. Sunita Sah, a professor at Cornell and an organizational psychologist, is the author of “Defy: The Power of No in a World that Demands Yes,” published earlier this year.Sah’s book explores why people say yes and go along at work and in other relationships in their lives, even when they want to say no. In this conversation, she explains how most people are conditioned to see defiance as a negative trait. Instead, she argues, defiance based on deeply held values can be a positive.She discusses how to evaluate a situation where you may want to defy, how we need to train ourselves to see defiance in a different light and why it is so difficult to make that transition. Sah also addressed defiance in the legislative workplace and the complications that can arise in a complex hierarchy. Sah also explained that while defying is not risk free, going along when you know you should object carries its own hazards.Sah will conduct a webinar on May 5 at noon MT as part of this year’s NCSL Legislative Staff Week. ResourcesDr. Sunita Sah’s website

05-04
20:25

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