Night Owls

Joe Klein and John Ellis on what's happening and what happens next. Joe Klein is the author of seven books and "Sanity Clause," a Substack newsletter. John Ellis is the founder and editor of two Substack newsletters — News Items and Political News Items. The two friends have covered American politics for a combined 95 years.

Episode 44 (Barbara Walter)

An interview with University of California San Diego Professor Barbara Walter, whose book -- "How Civil Wars Start: And How to Stop Them" -- examines the risk factors that presage civil wars. Those factors are "anocracy," factionalism, loss of power and loss of hope, all hyper-linked by social media. The U.S. has been on her watch list for civil war for some time. She's keeping it there. 

11-19
01:00:00

Night Owls Episode 43

A last look at the 2024 presidential campaign. A disagreement about Jeff Bezos. A watershed moment in Germany. And more! 

11-02
54:40

Episode 42 (with RIta Singh)

Rita Singh is one of the leading voice forensics scientists in the world. In this podcast, she discusses her work at length; what our voices tell us about our physical stature, our ethnicity, our age, our health, our honesty, our intentions and our mental states. It's riveting.   

10-19
01:00:45

Night Owls Episode 41 (with General David H. Petraeus Ret.)

General David Petraeus (Ret.) talks about the paperback edition of his book, Conflict, written with Andrew Roberts—and brings us up to date on the state of war in Ukraine, Gaza, Lebanon and potential wars in Iran and Taiwan.

10-13
01:13:37

Night Owls Episode 40

Three topics -- the VP debate, the Middle East and Hurricane Helene -- in 30 minutes. Joe's experience covering the Middle East is on full display. 

10-03
35:50

Episode 39 (Interview with Daron Shaw Part 2)

Part 2: John talked with Daron Shaw, one of the nation’s best pollsters who most people have never heard of. They talked about polling, politics and the presidential election. 

09-29
40:29

Episode 38 (Interview with Daron Shaw Part 1 of 2)

John talked with Daron Shaw, one of the nation’s best pollsters who most people have never heard of. They talked about polling, politics and the presidential election.     

09-28
33:50

Episode 37 (Post-Debate Analysis)

John and Joe discuss yesterday's presidental debate 

09-11
33:54

Episode 36 (with Paul Vallas)

John and Joe welcome Paul Vallas to the show! Paul Vallas is best known for his innovative work in public education — as superintendent of schools in Chicago and in the all-charter school system in New Orleans — and (most recently) his impressive campaign for Mayor of Chicago (he got 48% of the vote, running against the mighty machine of the Chicago Teachers Union). Joe Klein, who has been campaigning in print against teachers unions for the better part of four decades, conducted the lion's share of the interview.

09-07
01:08:57

Episode 35 (with Zoe Liu)

Joe and John interview Zongyuan Zoe Liu, Maurice R. Greenberg senior fellow for China studies at the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), about her recent article in Foreign Affairs, "China's Real Economic Crisis." 

08-30
58:56

Episode 34

Joe and John assess the Democratic National Convention, the collapse of RFK Jr.'s presidential campaign, and the rising political influence of the crypto-currency "industry." 

08-25
43:57

Episode 33

Joe and John discuss volatility in the markets and the Middle East...and Kamala Harris's running mate: "Coach" Walz.

08-07
36:44

Episode 32 (A Conversation with Ann Selzer.)

Joe and John talk with Ann Selzer, the great Iowa pollster. It's a smart, interesting conversation about the 2024 presidential campaign, because she knows what she's talking about.   

08-03
56:40

Episode 30

Is Trump the the one to beat as the polling suggests? What does VP Kamala Hariss's ascent to the to the presidential nominee mean for her chances? Joe and John discuss

07-26
32:33

Episode 29

The last days of the Biden campaign? Joe and John go back and forth.

07-04
27:40

Episode 28 (with Rebecca Patterson)

Rebecca Patterson, the former chief investment strategist at Bridgewater Associates, gave us a guided tour of the global economy. She's very smart and very articulate; the perfect podcast guest. 

07-01
01:11:41

Episode 27 (with Philip K. Howard)

Why is government stuck in the muck? Philip K. Howard tells Night Owls how to make schools, infrastructure projects and environmental regulations work better.

06-17
55:47

Episode 26

John and Joe discuss the concern of Joe Biden's age. Plus, they talk about Biden's investigation of monopolistic tech companies; new demographic data that suggests too many boys are sitting at their parents' houses; and the results of the Mexican election.

06-11
01:00:45

Episode 25 (with Daniel Finkelstein)

Joe Klein chats with an old friend, member of the House of Lords Daniel Finkelstein, about the complicated legacy of Brexit, the state of populism, and his new book Two Roads Home.

06-03
01:00:06

Episode 24 (with epidemiologist Katelyn Jetelina)

Q. What do you do when you need a public health weather report? A. You talk to Katelyn Jetelina. That's what we did and this podcast is the result. 

05-29
46:45

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