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The NOT REAL ART podcast celebrates creative culture and the artists who make it. NOT REAL ART is fresh, fun and inspiring. It contains material not suitable for pretentious art snobs. Guests include the world-class artists, designers and creatives who drive the $2T creative economy.

NOT REAL ART is hosted by L.A. based art world insiders Man One and Sourdough who bring their devil-may-care attitude to discussing their mutual love — and hate — for the contemporary art world, creative culture, and everything in between.

If you're an an arts professional or creative culture enthusiast, NOT REAL ART is for you!
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What if art could unlock the mysteries of science and reveal the hidden connections between technology, nature, and the human experience? In today’s podcast episode, host and NOT REAL ART founder Scott “Sourdough” Power sits down with Alison Hiltner, a visual artist based in Minneapolis and the Associate Director of the Soo Visual Arts Center. She is also a self-proclaimed “science fiction archaeologist” and one of six 2024 NOT REAL ART grant winners. Her fascinating and evocative work explores how science fiction shapes our understanding of scientific research. Known for her immersive multimedia installations, Alison creates mind-blowing sensory experiences that bridge the gap between art and science, prompting us to rethink our perceptions of reality. Join us as we discuss the importance of making art accessible to a wider audience, how science fiction influences our views of ourselves and the world around us, and Alison’s intriguing creative process, which blends hands-on scientific experiences with her unique artistic vision. Don’t miss this episode to discover how her thought-provoking work can inspire us to see art and science in a new light. It’s a must-listen for artists, art enthusiasts, and anyone curious about the intersection of creativity and innovation.For more information, please visit http://notrealart.com/alison-hiltner
They say what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas, but some secrets are too juicy to remain buried in the neon glow of the Strip. In today’s podcast episode, we dive into the exciting world of DesignerCon as it transitions from Anaheim to Las Vegas, where the art world is about to collide with the neon lights and vibrant culture of Sin City. Visionary DesignerCon founder Ben Goretsky joins host Scott “Sourdough” Power to share the inspiration behind this bold move.For more information, please visit http://notrealart.com/designercon-2024
How can Asheville’s artists rebuild after Hurricane Helene? In this heartfelt episode, host and NOT REAL ART founder Scott “Sourdough” Power sheds light on the creative community in Asheville, North Carolina, in the aftermath of the tropical storm. With over 300 artists displaced and studios destroyed in Asheville’s River Arts District, Scott reflects on the unique cultural and creative legacy now at risk. Asheville, a region known for its rich artistic history and thriving arts community, now faces an uncertain future as rising rents and gentrification threaten the survival of that community. For more information, please visit http://notrealart.com/rebuilding-asheville-after-hurricane-helene
When natural disasters strike, they don’t just destroy homes; they can devastate entire communities, livelihoods, and creative legacies. In this special edition of Art World Horror Stories, Asheville-based photographer Michael Freas shares the harrowing tale of Hurricane Helene’s destruction, which left hundreds of local artists without studios or income. This episode explores the billion-dollar impact on Asheville’s arts economy and the challenges of securing relief, revealing the hidden toll of climate change on the creative sector. You’ll gain insight into the mental health struggles of those affected and the critical roles of self-sufficiency and community support.For more information, please visit http://notrealart.com/photographer-michael-freas
Art has the power to disrupt the status quo, challenge authority, and ignite social change. Just ask today’s guests, whose provocative artworks have sparked conversation in the political realm for decades. In today's episode, we welcome legendary provocateur Robbie Conal and activist artist Karen Fiorito to discuss the transformative power of political art. Robbie, best known for his clever street posters that skewer corrupt politicians, has spent over three decades turning city streets into a canvas for social change. Karen, curator of the annual political exhibition Indivisible 2024, is the fearless creator of controversial billboards. She joins the conversation to share her experience pushing boundaries and challenging authority with bold public art. Together, Robbie and Karen dive into the wild world of street art, the legal and personal risks that come with it, and how humor can serve as the ultimate weapon in activism. For more information, please visit http://notrealart.com/robbie-conal-karen-fiorito
How does PBS harness the power of personal identity and diverse storytelling to challenge the status quo? In today’s podcast episode, host and NOT REAL ART founder Scott “Sourdough Power” sits down with Nic Cha Kim, the senior producer of arts and culture at PBS SoCal, to find out. Nic produces Artbound, an award-winning anthology documentary series exploring the lives, works, and creative processes of artists and innovators in Southern California. Now in its 15th season, Artbound continues to showcase the region’s rich cultural legacy and diversity.In this episode, Nic shares his remarkable journey from aspiring Hollywood screenwriter to a critical player in the downtown LA art community. Nic also discusses the undervalued role of naiveté, the importance of boundless curiosity, and why he views his work as a “sacred responsibility.” You’ll also get an exciting sneak peek into season 15 of Artbound, which includes documentaries about The Cheech Marin Center for Chicano Art & Culture, the fusion of art and science at NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory, and the rise of West Coast Modernism. Tune into our episode with Nic Cha Kim for a compelling conversation about the intersection of personal identity, responsibility, and creativity in storytelling.For more information, please visit http://notrealart.com/nic-cha-kim
If you’ve ever set foot in Black Rock City, you’ll know Burning Man isn’t just a festival. It’s a living, breathing canvas where art, technology, and human connection collide in the most unexpected ways. In today’s podcast episode, NOT REAL ART founder and veteran burner Scott “Sourdough” Power shares his experience at Burning Man 2024, which unfolded in the Nevada desert from Aug. 25 through Sept. 2. Scott reflects on Burning Man’s 2024 theme, Through the Looking Glass, marveling at the festival’s artistic innovations and evolving cultural landscape. He recounts mesmerizing moments like the historic “art plane,” the first FAA-approved aircraft to shoot fireworks and lasers, and explores how LEDs, drones, e-bikes, and smartphones are reshaping the Playa. He also touches on the festival's impermanence, its more than 400 art installations, and the growing tension between Burning Man's anti-commercial roots and its increasing commodification through social media.For more information, please visit http://notrealart.com/burning-man-2024
As the 2024 U.S. presidential race intensifies, art remains a powerful tool for political activists. From protest posters to public installations, art shapes the conversation and challenges the status quo. But how exactly does art influence social change, and what role does it play in a deeply divided nation? In today’s podcast episode, curator Karen Fiorito joins us to discuss Indivisible, an annual exhibition confronting our most pressing social issues with provocative, politically inclined artwork. Carol A. Wells, founder and executive director of the Center for the Study of Political Graphics (CSPG), joins Karen to discuss the history of political art and its capacity for unification and social change. This episode is a treasure trove of insights and stories that will deepen your understanding of the power of art in activism and politics. Karen shares the challenges of curating such a timely exhibition, offering unique insights into key pieces like “The Fine Line” by Mary Ann Sadowski, which tackles gun violence. Carol, with her decades of experience in political activism, offers fascinating stories about the power of posters in movements like Occupy Wall Street, explaining how political art can cut through the noise to inspire action. Together, they examine the fine line between political art and propaganda, exploring art's critical role in shaping public consciousness. You don’t want to miss Karen and Carol’s conversation if you're passionate about the intersection of art, activism, and politics.For more information, please visit http://notrealart.com/indivisible-2024
Art has the power to engage communities, connect diverse histories, and elevate the stories that shape our world. In today’s podcast episode, host and NOT REAL ART founder Scott “Sourdough” Power sits down with 2024 NOT REAL ART grant recipient Nastassja Swift to discuss the artist’s mission of transformation through visual storytelling. Based in Virginia, Nastassja is an interdisciplinary artist whose life-sized, needle-felted sculptures explore identity, Black womanhood, and the African diaspora. In our discussion, Nastassja reveals how her background and personal experiences have shaped her work and the narratives she chooses to explore. Nastassja also highlights the importance of sharing resources rather than guarding them, supporting fellow artists, and broadening our definition of creativity. Tune into our conversation on the player below to hear Nastassja’s insights on the transformative power of visual storytelling. For more information, please visit http://notrealart.com/nastassja-swift
How do you transform abstract ideas into striking monumental art? In today’s podcast episode, host and NOT REAL ART founder Scott “Sourdough” Power sits down with Blessing Hancock to discuss the artist’s visionary public art projects, which span the globe. Listen to our conversation with Blessing Hancock on the player below to learn more about building effective teams and channeling your creative energy into artworks that are larger than life. For more information, please visit http://notrealart.com/blessing-hancock
What do William Grant Still, Joseph Bologne, and Florence B. Price have in common? They’re all Black composers who contributed to the canon of classical music. Today’s podcast episode spotlights Classic Black, a groundbreaking youth program celebrating Black excellence in classical music.Created by Montreal-born pianist, accordionist, producer, composer, and music director Ric’key Pageot in collaboration with Crewest Studio, Classic Black hosts live performances and educational talks that spotlight the incredible contributions of Black composers and musicians to the world of classical music. Tune into the episode on the player below to learn how Classic Black redefines the narrative surrounding classical music and honors the trailblazing musicians of color who helped shape history.For more information, please visit http://notrealart.com/classic-black
Right now, over 400 artists are preparing to unveil their avant-garde installations at Burning Man 2024. Staged annually at Black Rock City in the Nevada desert, the festival is a huge undertaking and massive success, thanks in no small part to Katie Hazard, the festival’s longtime associate director of art management. In today’s podcast episode, host and NOT REAL ART founder Scott “Sourdough” Power sits down with Katie to discuss her decade-long career managing the art at Burning Man—quite possibly the coolest job in the world. For more information, please visit http://notrealart.com/burning-man-katie-hazard
When Steve Grody first noticed spray-painted murals popping up around Los Angeles in the ’80s, he swooned over their daring colors and stylized calligraphy. Since then, he’s dedicated himself to understanding and cataloging the evolving graffiti scene in LA. His book, Graffiti L.A.: Steet Styles and Art (2007), is a comprehensive visual history of LA street art and an in-depth exploration of artists' styles and techniques. In today’s podcast episode, host and NOT REAL ART founder Scott “Sourdough” Power sits down with Steve Grody to discuss the author’s role as a documentarian and cultural storyteller.For more information, please visit http://notrealart.com/steve-grody
Whether you’re a painter, potter, or candlestick maker, efficient packing is crucial for a successful business trip. In today’s podcast episode, frequent traveler and NOT REAL ART founder Scott “Sourdough” Power shares his packing tips for fuss-free business travel. From choosing the right luggage to packing light, this episode has everything artists need to transform their mindsets toward business travel. Whether packing for a quick overnight trip or a week-long conference, artists and creative entrepreneurs will learn practical strategies that turn chaos into confidence. Before your next trip, tune in for a punchy conversation on the fine art of packing for business travel.For more information, please visit https://notrealart.com/packing-for-business-travel
Whiskey is more than just a drink; in fact, the word “whiskey” derives from the Gaelic phrase uisge beatha, meaning “water of life.” In today’s podcast episode, NOT REAL ART founder Scott “Sourdough” Power sits down with Jared Himstedt and Gabe RiCharde of Balcones Distilling to discuss the duo’s philosophy on crafting fine whiskey in Waco, Texas. Key Points From This Episode:What “Balcones” means and how it’s relevant to Texas and Balcones DistillingChallenges that come with high standards and keeping a business localHow Jared and Gabe use raw ingredients as tools for artistic expressionWhere Balcones falls on the spectrum between tradition, rebellion, and innovationThe significance of Texas to Balcones Distilling and the American Single Malt MovementProduct development at Balcones and their sometimes surprising sources of inspirationWhy artists shouldn’t rely on critical acclaim, external validation, or market feedbackInsight into Gabe’s journey from geologist to spirits manager at BalconesJared’s deeply personal path from ceramicist and social worker to whiskey distillerWhy Balcones works with artists to support the visual artsFor more information, please visit http://notrealart.com/balcones-distilling
Not everyone would leave behind a cushy career on Wall Street to pursue their creative pipe dreams. Then again, not everyone is Diarra Bousso. Today, the Senegal-born, Silicon Valley-based entrepreneur joins us to discuss her remarkable journey from financial trader to founder of DIARRABLU, a sustainable, size-inclusive fashion and lifestyle brand. Using algorithmic design and crowdsourcing to reduce waste, DIARRABLU fuses technology with traditional craftsmanship to promote ethical consumption within the fashion industry. For more information, please visit http://notrealart.com/diarra-bousso
It's the height of summer in North America, making it the perfect time for a getaway. If you're planning a trip, consider this episode your friendly travel guide! Scott “Sourdough” Power recently embarked on an inspiring journey to Asheville, North Carolina, which we at Not Real Art proudly call the Capital of American Craft. Whether you're an artist, an art lover, or simply a curious explorer, you'll be captivated by the pristine natural beauty and the impressive array of contemporary American art and craft in this region. In today's episode, we offer a sneak peek into what makes this part of the country so unique. You'll learn what to expect when you visit, gain insight into the history of craft-making in the area, and find out who to contact to learn more about the artists and artisans that make it so special. For more information, you can also tune into the Artsville USA Podcast to celebrate the vibrant contemporary arts and crafts scene from Asheville and beyond!Key Points From This Episode:The valuable partnerships that made the Artsville USA Podcast possible.Natural and manmade beauty you can expect in Asheville, North Carolina.Insight into the history and provenance of art and craft-making in the area.Why we suggest you visit Asheville (and who we recommend to show you around!)Challenges that the region is facing and how your support can help.For more information, please visit http://notrealart.com/asheville-capital-of-american-craft
Submissions for the 2024 NOT REAL ART grant have come to a close, marking the end of a rigorous and methodical selection process by our esteemed panel of judges. With six $2,000 grants at stake and over 1,200 incredible applicants to choose from, the journey has been long and challenging, but the wait is finally over. Today is the day that we announce our 2024 grant recipients! Tune in as we reveal the six amazing artists who will receive not only a tidy financial reward but also substantial PR and marketing support to propel their careers forward. For further details, check out the NOT REAL ART blog where we'll publish the results. A sincere thank you to all the artists who shared their exceptional work with us!Key Points From This Episode:Why methodically evaluating each applicant is a job we take very seriously.The four criteria that we score each application on. A special shout-out for our panel of esteemed judges.What grant recipients receive, including financial and promotional support.Without further ado: introducing our six 2024 Not Real Art Grant recipients!For more information, please visit http://notrealart.com/2024-not-real-art-grant-recipients
While struggling to watch a concert by one of his favorite metal bands online, Samuel Douek realized there was a gap that needed to be filled. Thus, Thunderflix was born, the world's first on-demand video streaming service dedicated exclusively to heavy metal music and its ardent fans. Samuel built his career as the founder and director of the Hola Mexico Film Festival and a former film distributor. In this episode, he joins us to tell the story of Thunderflix, a place where metalheads like himself can access new releases, live performances, documentaries, behind-the-scenes footage, and official content from their favorite artists. You’ll learn what goes into launching a streaming platform and curating digital content directed at a subculture of highly passionate fans. We also discuss the challenges of licensing, how the platform helps viewers discover new bands, and so much more! Regardless of whether you’re a metalhead or not, you’ll see that Thunderflix is a testament to the dedication of one enthusiast's unwavering vision for a "Netflix for metal.” This episode promises insights and inspiration for music enthusiasts, art lovers, and entrepreneurs alike, so be sure to tune in today!Key Points From This Episode:Insight into the Hola Mexican Film Festival, which is in its 16th year.When Samuel first discovered heavy metal and fell in love with the art form.The ardent passion that heavy metal fans have for the bands they love.Where the idea for Thunderflix came from and how it satisfied Samuel’s needs as a fan.How he went about negotiating licensing and copyrights with record labels.Challenges of curating and organizing the content available on Thunderflix.What goes into building a streaming platform and populating it with data.Different ways Samuel and his team marketed Thunderflix to their target audience.The future of Thunderflix, which includes producing their own films and concerts.How the platform helps metalheads discover new and incredible bands.Why Samuel believes that work is work, even when you love what you do.A look at some of the many ever-evolving sub-genres of metal.For more information, please visit http://notrealart.com/samuel-douek-thunderflix
Wally Feresten, iconic cue card writer for shows like SNL and Late Night with Seth Meyers, Explores his craft's artistry and his journey during the pandemic. He shares how he adapted to the challenges, starting his successful business, Cue Cards by Wally, and the joy of bringing personalized cue cards into people's lives globally. Wally also reflects on his relationships with hosts and performers, stressing the importance of rapport and discussing the unforeseen inventiveness brought about by navigating COVID-19 restrictions. The conversation rounds out with insights into the supportive and creative environment of his work and the significant but often overlooked role of cue cards in live television production.https://notrealart.com/snl-cue-cards-wally-ferestenEpisode Contents00:00 Wally is a lovable, funny, cue card writer.07:33 Discussion of various dimensions of sign painting.12:44 Discussing tradition, design, and obsession in conversation.21:25 Building trust and relationships for successful collaboration.24:03 Building trust with SNL hosts every week.29:50 Grateful for long-lasting job on TV show.36:33 SNL returns with COVID restrictions, logistical challenges.39:24 Wife entrepreneur rejects personalized cue card idea.46:41 Christopher Walken hosts SNL, asks for card.51:39 Sharpies, Power pilot pens, and old markers.57:18 Meeting artists and celebrities can be challenging.01:00:42 Talent, hard work, and kindness matter most.01:05:13 Endorsement for custom cue cards by Wally.Topics DiscussedIntroduction to Wally Feresten- Introduction of Wally Feresten as a guest on the Not Real Art Podcast.- Explanation of Wally's role as a cue card writer for notable TV shows like SNL and The Tonight Show with Jimmy Fallon.- Mention of Wally's personal life, including his family and recreational activities.Cue Cards and Artistry- Discussion on the artistic aspect of writing cue cards.- Comparisons made between Wally's work and famous sign painters.- Reflection on the history and evolution of cue cards in the entertainment industry.Business Ventures and Adaptations During COVID-19- Exploration of Wally's business "Cue Cards by Wally" providing personalized cue cards.- How the pandemic influenced Wally to start the business.- Transition to remote work and adaptation of the business model during COVID-19.Operational Details and Employee Management- Insight into Wally’s operational and billing practices for shows.- Discussion of employee status transitioning from independent contractors to full-time staff with benefits.- Wally’s approach to maintaining a good work environment, highlighting the importance of being nice.Impact of Cue Cards in the Industry- Highlights of famous cue card writers and their contributions.- The preference of cue cards over prompters by traditional hosts.- Story about Wally's mishap during a live show and handling different personalities.Creative Side Projects and Personal Stories- Wally’s involvement in creating cards for various personal events and celebrations.- Mention of his sons’ careers and personal projects.- Story about Wally’s interaction and relationship with fans and other industry figures.Reflections and Philosophy- Wally’s reflections on the stability and changes in the entertainment industry due to strikes and other disruptions.- His philosophy on work ethic and the advice of being nice as pivotal to success.- Scott and Wally’s shared experiences and appreciations...
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Kelly Vaught

Whether you love art, or just don't realize you do, this is a great podcast! Sourdough has an uncanny ability to break down the pretentious barriers so often associated with art. We get a sense of the humans behind the magic and art is so much the story behind the work as it is the skill on display. A diverse set of characters and topics that cover a wide variety of subjects with art being the thread that winds in and out of each episode. I highly recommend!

Jan 31st
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