Out for Blood: The Story of Carrie the Musical

The eager Carrie cast arrives in the Big Apple only to discover that very little has been done to address the show’s major problems, and that the show’s set has been lost in transit. But there is one major addition: Betty Buckley, a big-name Broadway star has joined the company. As the team nervously prepares for opening night, will New York audiences and critics be kinder to the show? We follow the journey from previews to press night to the shocking announcement that will shape Broadway history.  Join us on our social channels and share your feedback! Instagram Facebook Twitter Out for Blood is hosted by Holly Morgan and Chris Adams, edited by Tom Moores, with original music by Odinn Orn Hilmarson and artwork by Rebecca Pitt. Out for Blood is a proud member of the Broadway Podcast Network. NEW! Chris's book Out for Blood: a Cultural History of Carrie the Musical is out now - order from the publisher or all good book stores. You can now also order OFB t-shirts, hoodies, totes, stickers, pins and more here! Thanks this week to Dean Pitchford, Linzi Hateley, Sally Ann Triplett, Charlotte D’Amboise, Georgia Otterson, Michelle Du Verney, Shelley Hodgson, Suzanne Thomas, Joey McKneeley, Kenny Linden, Eric Gilliom, Michelle Nelson Manne, Jeremy Sturt, Wendi Peters and Mark Shenton.  THIS WEEK’S LINKS: Bootleg audio from a rehearsal of Linzi Hateley joined by new co-star Betty Buckley, and bootleg video of Betty’s infamously epic performances of ‘Eve Was Weak’ and ‘When There’s No One’. A bootleg audio recording of the show on Broadway, and a bootleg video of Act 1. The only known (and very blurry) footage of ‘The Destruction’ on Broadway, from an unaired German documentary, shot from the control booth. “You could take your money and throw it”... some TV reviews of the Broadway production. It ain’t pretty, folks. Some very grainy footage of the cast backstage on their final day. Andrew Lloyd Webber’s shady feedback at the opening night party. Please note that we don’t own any of the content above and we’re not responsible for the content of third-party links – enjoy! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In the first of two special episodes, we take a close look at the original 1988 staging of Carrie, examining it song by song and scene by scene to try and work out exactly where things go wrong and why this show became so infamous in Broadway history. We’re re-assessing Carrie from all angles! First up, Act One - and the audience is perplexed to be discover Carrie's high school is represented by an enormous shiny white box. The dancers share some intimate details about 80s microphone technology, we hear the reaction to Linzi Hateley’s big opening number, and we debate what an ‘active gland’ might be. We would go bowling if you REALLY cared!  As well as our gang of original cast members and a handful of superfans, we’re joined by writer and composer Stephen Dolginoff (‘Thrill Me: The Leopold and Loeb Story’), online performance pioneer Peter Michael Marino (‘Desperately Seeking Susan’) and general legend/future Margaret White Kim Criswell who all saw the show in 1988 and lived to tell the tale. Join us on our social channels and share your feedback! Instagram Facebook Twitter Out for Blood is hosted by Holly Morgan and Chris Adams, edited by Tom Moores, with original music by Odinn Orn Hilmarson and artwork by Rebecca Pitt. Out for Blood is a proud member of the Broadway Podcast Network. NEW! Chris's book Out for Blood: a Cultural History of Carrie the Musical is out now - order from the publisher or all good book stores. You can now also order OFB t-shirts, hoodies, totes, stickers, pins and more here! Thanks this week to Dean Pitchford, Linzi Hateley, Sally Ann Triplett, Charlotte D’Amboise, Georgia Otterson, Michelle DuVernay, Shelley Hodgson, Suzanne Thomas, Joey McKneeley, Kenny Linden, Eric Gilliom, Michelle Nelson Manne, Audrey Lavine, Jeremy Sturt, Peter Michael Marino, Stephen Dolginoff, Kim Criswell, Mark Silver, Scott Briefer, Robbie Rozelle, Peter Mckintosh and Todd Graff.  THIS WEEK’S LINKS: The unofficial Carrie Archive Channel on YouTube has plenty of bootleg videos of Carrie so you can check out all the madness yourself Check out the sites of Stephen Dolginoff and Peter Michael Marino Please note that we don’t own any of the content above and we’re not responsible for the content of third-party links – enjoy! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We continue our deep, deep dive into Broadway’s most infamous flop as we charge head-first into the madness and mayhem of Act Two!  And mayhem it really is! Leather outfits! Dead pigs! Is that a medieval sword? A rap! A giant disco ball! Lasers! Oh my! As the audience cracks up at the infamous line ‘it’s a simple little gig, you help me kill a pig, and I’ve got some plans for the blood’, we hear first-hand from the cast about that iconic but tricky blood-soaked finale, not to mention the reaction to Broadway’s most expensive staircase. And can it really be true that the cast was met by a chorus of boos at the curtain call… or is there more to it? Wotta night! Oh! Also - did anybody mention that Carrie is telekinetic? No? Join us on our social channels and share your feedback! Instagram Facebook Twitter   Out for Blood is hosted by Holly Morgan and Chris Adams, edited by Tom Moores, with original music by Odinn Orn Hilmarson and artwork by Rebecca Pitt.  Out for Blood is a proud member of the Broadway Podcast Network. NEW! Chris's book Out for Blood: a Cultural History of Carrie the Musical is out now! You can order now from the publisher or all good book stores. You can now also order OFB t-shirts, hoodies, totes, stickers, pins and more here! Thanks this week to Dean Pitchford, Linzi Hateley, Sally Ann Triplett, Charlotte D’Amboise, Georgia Otterson, Michelle DuVernay, Shelley Hodgson, Suzanne Thomas, Joey McKneeley, Kenny Linden, Eric Gilliom, Michelle Nelson Manne, Audrey Lavine, Jeremy Sturt, Todd Graff, Peter Michael Marino, Stephen Dolginoff, Kim Criswell, Mark Silver, Scott Briefer, Peter Mckintosh, Bob Sembiante and Keith Butler. THIS WEEK’S LINKS: The unofficial Carrie Archive Channel on YouTube has plenty of bootleg videos of Carrie so you can check out all the madness yourself. They’ve also compiled this megamix of audience reactions. A bootleg video of ‘Crackerjack’ in Stratford vs an audio of the renamed ‘Out for Blood’ on Broadway - which is your favourite? Either way, enjoy. Sally Ann Triplett’s (Sue's) cut song ‘White Star’. Linzi Hateley performs ‘When There’s No-One’ (paid content). Please note that we don’t own any of the content above and we’re not responsible for the content of third-party links – enjoy! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

With an epic standing ovation on closing night, and urban legends already forming about its turbulent journey to the stage, Carrie the Musical had become an instant cult classic. If you’d missed Carrie’s all-too-brief run on Broadway, you just weren’t ‘in’. But the show was over and - like most flops - it might have slowly faded into oblivion. But, it didn’t. We track down the army of fans determined to keep Carrie alive in the ‘wilderness years’ that followed. We uncover the surprising truth about exactly where those bootleg videos came from, and hear from Tony-nominated composer Joe Iconis (‘Be More Chill’) about his teenage Carrie addiction - including a terrifying phone call from a familiar name. We also meet David Cerda, creator of drag parody ‘S’Carrie the Musical’, and talk to the people who threw caution to the wind and mounted unauthorised productions of the musical everybody thought was dead and buried. Did they get away with it?  Friends of Carrie - join us on our social channels and share your feedback! Instagram Facebook Twitter   Out for Blood is hosted by Holly Morgan and Chris Adams, edited by Tom Moores, with original music by Odinn Orn Hilmarson and artwork by Rebecca Pitt. Out for Blood is a proud member of the Broadway Podcast Network. NEW! Chris's book Out for Blood: a Cultural History of Carrie the Musical is out now! You can order now from the publisher or all good book stores. You can now also order OFB t-shirts, hoodies, totes, stickers, pins and more here! Thanks this week to Dean Pitchford, Linzi Hateley, Sally Ann Triplett, Eric Gilliom, Jeremy Sturt, Joe Iconis, Alice Ripley, Stephen Dolginoff, Julie Cohen, Laura Dean, Annie Golden, Todd Graff, Craig Hepworth, Robbie Rozelle, David Cerda, Jeffrey Murphy, Julie Kleiner Davis, Vivienne Cleary, Kaily Smith Westbrook, Stagedoor Manor and Jeffrey McCann. THIS WEEK’S LINKS: Joe Iconis is the multi-award winning creator of the Broadway show Be More Chill: visit him at mrjoeiconis.com. Check out his Carrie Halloween mashup! Details of original cast member Eric Gilliom’s one man show, featuring that kill the pig tribute, can be found here. Todd Graff’s cult classic movie Camp based on his experiences at Stagedoor Manor is available on DVD. Craig Hepworth, that Robin Hood of the Carrie bootleg world, runs the theatre company Vertigo Productions. Robbie Rozelle’s excellent albums including ‘Songs from Inside my Locker’ can be found on his site. And of course, have a listen to the one and only S’Carrie the Musical. Please note that we don’t own any of the content above and we’re not responsible for the content of third-party links – enjoy! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

By 2012, over two decades had passed since Carrie the Musical’s high-profile Broadway car crash, and the last thing its creators wanted was to resurrect the show that haunted them. But the requests for a revival kept coming in.   We find out why Director Stafford Arima was determined to give the show a new life, and how he persuaded the writers to give Carrie another chance in a smaller, tighter new production (with not a unitard or giant staircase in sight). We meet two of the stars of that ‘revisal’, Molly Ranson and Carmen Cusack, and speak to award-winning vocal designer AnnMarie Milazzo about how she reinvented the sound of Carrie for a new generation. Is it possible to shake off the reputation of a show that’s known as a complete disaster? And can you really do Carrie without the blood? Friends of Carrie - join us on our social channels: this week we shared some iconic exclusive photos from Linzi Hateley’s personal Carrie collection! Instagram Facebook Twitter   Out for Blood is hosted by Holly Morgan and Chris Adams, edited by Tom Moores, with original music by Odinn Orn Hilmarson and artwork by Rebecca Pitt. Out for Blood is a proud member of the Broadway Podcast Network.  NEW! Chris's book Out for Blood: a Cultural History of Carrie the Musical is out now! You can order now from the publisher or all good book stores. You can now also order OFB t-shirts, hoodies, totes, stickers, pins and more here! Thanks this week to Dean Pitchford, Stafford Arima, AnnMarie Millazzo, Molly Ranson, Carmen Cusack and Andrew Wachter. THIS WEEK’S LINKS: Stafford Arima is now the Artistic Director of Theatre Calgary, in Alberta, Canada. The Carrie ‘revisal’ was produced and staged by MCC Theater The iconic Marin Mazzie as ‘Mother’ in ‘Ragtime’ Footage from the Carrie revisal on Playbill.com and the official cast recording on Spotify The New York 1 review of the show Please note that we don’t own any of the content above and we’re not responsible for the content of third-party links – enjoy! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Carrie the Musical is back. It’s been revived in New York, it has an official cast recording with millions of streams, and it’s about to hit the mainstream. How did this famous flop end up being the focus of a big-time teen drama series? Riverdale showrunner and Chief Creative Officer of Archie Comics Roberto Aguirre-Sacasa joins us to explain all.  Plus, we find out how a new generation of creatives are bringing Carrie to life in innovative new productions around the world. We speak to Louis Hobson, Alice Ripley and Keaton Whittaker from the Seattle production, Brady Schwind, Kayla Parker and Emily Lopez from the California immersive ‘killer musical experience’ and Gary Lloyd, Evelyn Hoskins, Jodie Jacobs and Kim Criswell from the Southwark Playhouse, London staging, where some of our original cast members see the show again for the first time... Join us on our social channels for exclusive backstage photos from this week's guests! Instagram Facebook Twitter Out for Blood is hosted by Holly Morgan and Chris Adams, edited by Tom Moores, with original music by Odinn Orn Hilmarson and artwork by Rebecca Pitt.  Out for Blood is a proud member of the Broadway Podcast Network. NEW! Chris's book Out for Blood: a Cultural History of Carrie the Musical is out now! You can order now from the publisher or all good book stores. You can now also order OFB t-shirts, hoodies, totes, stickers, pins and more here! Thanks this week to Roberto Aguirre-Sacasa, Louis Hobson, Alice Ripley, Keaton Whittaker, Brady Schwind, Kayla Parker, Emily Lopez, Gary Lloyd, Evelyn Hoskins, Jodie Jacobs, Kim Criswell, Linzi Hateley, Suzanne Thomas, Shelley Hodgson and Jeffrey McCann. THIS WEEK’S LINKS:  Keaton Whittaker (Carrie, Seattle) sings the title song ‘Carrie’ and Alice Ripley (Margaret, Seattle) sings ‘When There’s No One’. Highlights from ‘Carrie: The Killer Musical Experience’ in Los Anegles, and a hella creepy trailer.  Kayla Parker’s epic final audition video for the LA production. The trailer for the Southwark Playhouse, London production. The ad for ‘A Night to Remember’, Riverdale’s Carrie episode, and their cast recording on Spotify. Please note that we don’t own any of the content above and we’re not responsible for the content of third-party links – enjoy! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

It’s been quite a journey. Holly and Chris look back at their Carrie adventure and try and answer some burning questions.  We ask an expert, author of ‘Flop Musicals of the Twentieth Century’ Stephen Purdy, if Carrie really can be defined as a flop compared to some prominent recent mega-failures. We also find out from writer Peter Michael Marino, creator of the doomed ‘Desperately Seeking Susan’ musical, what it’s like to have your new musical trashed (FYI: we saw it twice and had a great time), plus Broadway star Alice Ripley also shares her experiences of being in well-loved musicals which were hit by premature closure, like ‘American Psycho’ and ‘Side Show’.  And finally - a post mortem. Where did it go wrong? Who was to blame? Could Carrie have been fixed? Can you even do horror on stage? Can we just do this as a job forever?  Plus, we leave the last word to our gang of original cast members to tell us how this extraordinary show changed their lives forever. Friends of Carrie - join us on our social channels and share your feedback! Instagram Facebook Twitter   Out for Blood is hosted by Holly Morgan and Chris Adams, edited by Tom Moores, with original music by Odinn Orn Hilmarson and artwork by Rebecca Pitt. Out for Blood is a proud member of the Broadway Podcast Network. NEW! Chris's book Out for Blood: a Cultural History of Carrie the Musical is out now! You can order now from the publisher or all good book stores. You can now also order OFB t-shirts, hoodies, totes, stickers, pins and more here! Thanks this week to Stephen Purdy, Peter Michael Marino, Alice Ripley, Linzi Hateley, Brady Schwind, Joey Mckneeley, Dean Pitchford, Charlotte D’Amboise, Sally Ann Triplett, Suzanne Thomas, Shelley Hodgson, Kenny Linden, Michelle duVerney, Eric Gilliom, Paul Schwartz, Stafford Arima, Louis Hobson, Kim Criswell, Julie Cohen, Carmen Cusack, Annie Golden, Jodie Jacobs, Kayla Parker, Emily Lopez, Stephen Dolginoff, Bob Sembiante, Jonny Jones and Rita Desjardin.  THIS WEEK’S LINKS: Stephen Purdy’s excellent book ‘Flop Musicals of the Twentieth Century’ is published by Routledge. Trailer for Peter Michael Marino’s Desperately Seeking Susan. Alice Ripley’s blistering performance in Next to Normal at the Tonys, and in Side Show with Emily Skinner. Jonny Jones' 80s reimagining of 'In' with Debbie Allen's original choreography Please note that we don’t own any of the content above and we’re not responsible for the content of third-party links – enjoy! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this special mini episode featuring bonus interview footage, Holly and Chris chat with six of the talented performers who have played Carrie in the landmark productions of this legendary show, and find out what it’s like to bring to life this iconic character to life on stage. Featuring Annie Golden (workshop production), Linzi Hateley (original Stratford and Broadway production), Molly Ranson (off-Broadway revival), Keaton Whittaker (Seattle), Emily Lopez (La Mirada/Los Angeles) and Evelyn Hoskins (Southwark Playhouse, London). Join us on our social channels and share your feedback! Instagram Facebook Twitter   Out for Blood is hosted by Holly Morgan and Chris Adams, edited by Tom Moores, with original music by Odinn Orn Hilmarson and artwork by Rebecca Pitt. Out for Blood is a proud member of the Broadway Podcast Network. NEW! Chris's book Out for Blood: a Cultural History of Carrie the Musical is out now! You can order now from the publisher or all good book stores. You can now also order OFB t-shirts, hoodies, totes, stickers, pins and more here! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

You ain’t seen nothing yet! It’s gonna be a night you’ll never forget!  Chris and Holly are back with a special all-new bonus update, partly because they haven’t got anything else to do, and partly because so much has happened in the Carrie-verse since the series launched!  Think of it a bit like the megamix at the end of your favourite jukebox musical: we’ve got never-heard-before Carrie recordings to share! We’ve got updates from your favourite cast members - and some new ones! We hear from more famous Friends of Carrie! We’ve got a great story about a pig! We’ve got another extra sassy Barbara Cook incident to report! We might watch Streetwalkin’ again! We try and work out what the hell we could do for a second season now we’ve picked a very Carrie-specific name for this podcast! And much more!  So put on your best unitard, settle down on the nearest massive white staircase, grab a glass of something sparkly and join us for one final* Carrie chat! *or is it?  Includes new contributions from Paul Schwartz (Musical Director), Michael Starobin (Orchestrator), Annie Golden and Todd Graff (workshop production), Stafford Arima (revival Director), Joe Iconis, Alice Ripley, Shelley Hodgson (original ensemble member), Jeremy Sturt, (original Deputy Stage Manager), Paul Clayton, David Hunter, Lee Proud, Mike Borowski and more! Friends of Carrie - join us on our social channels and share your feedback! Instagram Facebook Twitter Out for Blood is hosted by Holly Morgan and Chris Adams, edited by Tom Moores, with original music by Odinn Orn Hilmarson and artwork by Rebecca Pitt. Out for Blood is a proud member of the Broadway Podcast Network. NEW! Chris's book Out for Blood: a Cultural History of Carrie the Musical is out now! You can order now from the publisher or all good book stores. You can now also order OFB t-shirts, hoodies, totes, stickers, pins and more here! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We just can’t tear ourselves away. We called out for messages from fans of Carrie the Musical - and the fans delivered! Here’s a montage of messages about how this infamous musical changed lives, and how this very podcast reignited a passion for all things Carrie! Join us on our social channels for lots more Carrie content! Instagram Facebook Twitter Out for Blood is hosted by Holly Morgan and Chris Adams, edited by Tom Moores, with original music by Odinn Orn Hilmarson and artwork by Rebecca Pitt. Out for Blood is a proud member of the Broadway Podcast Network. NEW! Chris's book Out for Blood: a Cultural History of Carrie the Musical is out now! You can order now from the publisher or all good book stores. You can now also order OFB t-shirts, hoodies, totes, stickers, pins and more here! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We catch up with 'Burnt' host Blake Ross to share notes on our two favourite Broadway disasters - Blake's amazing podcast tells the twisted tale of 'Rebecca' which, unlike 'Carrie', didn't even make it to the stage. Join us as we discuss our favourite flops and some of the intriguing connections between the two shows. Plus, find out which theatre we'll be visiting to try and banish an ancient curse. It's all here in this flop-tastic crossover! You can download 'Burnt' on your usual podcast app and find out more at https://www.burntbroadway.com/ Join us on our social channels for lots more Carrie content! Instagram Facebook Twitter Out for Blood is hosted by Holly Morgan and Chris Adams, edited by Tom Moores, with original music by Odinn Orn Hilmarson and artwork by Rebecca Pitt. Special thanks this episode to Rich Hawkins, Alan Seales and all at BPN. Out for Blood is a proud member of the Broadway Podcast Network. NEW! Chris's book Out for Blood: a Cultural History of Carrie the Musical is out now! You can order now from the publisher or all good book stores. You can now also order OFB t-shirts, hoodies, totes, stickers, pins and more here! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Chris and Holly are BACK for another packed Carrie the Musical catch-up! It's been 35 years since the very first performance of Carrie, so what better excuse to find out what's been going in the Carrie-verse since our last episode? They're joined in the studio by a very special new member of the gang, as well as Sadie Kempner and Ellie McWilliam from the recent London Bridewell Theatre production (which may well have been directed by one of your hosts...) and very special guest Rosemary Jackson (understudy Carrie White) from the original 1988 cast! Plus, Chris has a literary announcement! Join us on our social channels for lots more Carrie content! Instagram Facebook Twitter NEW! Chris's book Out for Blood: a Cultural History of Carrie the Musical is out now! You can order now from the publisher or all good book stores. You can now also order OFB t-shirts, hoodies, totes, stickers, pins and more here! Out for Blood is hosted by Holly Morgan and Chris Adams, edited by Tom Moores, with original music by Odinn Orn Hilmarson and artwork by Rebecca Pitt. Special thanks this episode to babysitter extraordinaire Rich Hawkins. Out for Blood is a proud member of the Broadway Podcast Network. Out for Blood merch store! Celebrate your love of Out for Blood and Broadway's greatest flop with our new range of logo and slogan t-shirts, hoodies, totes, stickers, pins, face masks and (for some reason) cushions and tapestries! Available NOW at https://www.teepublic.com/stores/outforblood Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Chris and Holly are BACK in your ears once again! WHY? Well, Chris's book Out for Blood: a Cultural History of Carrie the Musical is out today! In a hideously meta twist, Holly sits down to interview Chris about how the book came to be, discuss some of the shiny new interviews and photos in it, and find out what inspired him to take the Carrie story from podcast to page. They also reminisce on their epic Carrie journey so far. Is that all there is to say about this quirk of Broadway history? Only time will tell... BUY THE BOOK! You can buy Chris's book 'Out for Blood: a Cultural History of Carrie the Musical' from all good booksellers or directly from the publisher, Methuen Drama (Bloomsbury). Join us on our social channels for lots more Carrie content! Instagram Facebook Twitter Out for Blood is hosted by Holly Morgan and Chris Adams, edited by Tom Moores, with original music by Odinn Orn Hilmarson and artwork by Rebecca Pitt. Special thanks this episode to babysitter extraordinaire Rich Hawkins. Out for Blood is a proud member of the Broadway Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

"You know when people say they can taste colors… I kind of get that with CATS in a weird way." This episode of THE WRONG CAT DIED features fellow Broadway Podcast Network podcast host Chris Adams who hosts a show called Out For Blood about the infamous Carrie musical. Hear Chris share the similarities between Carrie and CATS, how the 80s musicals all influenced each other, and a few other fun CATS crossovers with Carrie. Plus, Chris shares more information about how he's documented the Carrie story with a new book! Check out the Out For Blood podcast: broadwaypodcastnetwork.com/podcast/out-for-blood Check out the Out For Blood book: https://linktr.ee/outforbloodpod Friends of Carrie - join Out for Blood on Instagram / Facebook / Twitter or whatever it's called this week Produced by: Alan Seales & Broadway Podcast Network Instagram/Twitter/Tik Tok: @TheWrongCatDied Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Join us for an extraordinary deep dive inside the most transformative decade on Broadway through gripping behind-the-scenes accounts of shows such as Sunset Boulevard, Rent, Angels in America, Chicago, The Lion King, and The Producers - shows that changed the history of the American theater. Host Michael Riedel, author of the best-selling book Singular Sensation: The Triumph of Broadway, has created a companion podcast featuring his never-before-heard, taped audio interviews with legendary artists from Andrew Lloyd Webber, Stephen Sondheim, Patti LuPone, and so many more. Michael presents the drama behind the decade’s mega-hits and shocking flops, bringing readers into high-stakes premieres, fraught rehearsals, tough contract negotiations, intense Tony Award battles, and more. From the bitter feuds to the surprising collaborations, all the intrigue of a revolutionary era in the Theater District is packed into Singular Sensation. Broadway has triumphs and disasters, but the show always goes on. Enjoy Singular Sensation: The Podcast everywhere you get your podcasts or use http://bpn.fm/singularsensation to listen and learn more, and be sure to get the book here: https://amzn.to/4cNdfO3. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices