IN THIS EPISODEIn today’s episode, Sarah introduces Madison, a new therapist and grad student at Kindman and Co. They discuss their soon-to-be-launched caregiver support group. Both share personal experiences being caregivers and reflect on the challenges and responsibilities that come with this role. They express the importance of support systems, the evolving nature of caregiving, and their hopes for the group's impact.TOPICSCaregivers, Therapy, Support Group, Community, Mental Health SupportKEY FIGURESSarah Barukh, Madison Segarra, Kindman & Co.SUMMARYIn this episode of 'Out of Session with Kindman and Co.', Sarah and new team member Madison discuss the launch of their upcoming caregiver support group. Both Sarah and Madison share personal experiences of being caregivers. They reflect on the challenges and evolving responsibilities that come with caregiving roles and the crucial need for support systems. Their conversation emphasizes the yearning for community, understanding, and advocacy to help caregivers navigate their responsibilities more effectively and feel less isolated in their roles.The episode touches on various emotions associated with caregiving, such as anxiety, fear, and resentment, especially when caregivers consider the long-term commitments to their loved ones. Both hosts agree on the necessity of having someone to lean on, whether it's family, partners, or a support group, and the importance of defining their roles through meaningful language and ownership. They highlight that caregiving requires acute awareness and emotional resilience, often involving preemptive actions to meet the needs of those they care for.Sarah and Madison express hopes for their new support group to provide a space for caregivers to share experiences, exchange resources, and receive validation. This group aims to create a community where caregivers can find solace, exchange knowledge, and, most importantly, feel understood and less alone in their journeys.KEY TAKEAWAYSCaregiving Often Comes Without a RoadmapMany caregivers step into the role without preparation, training, or support, learning on the fly while navigating complex healthcare, emotional, and personal challenges.The Emotional Toll of Caregiving Is Deep and Often InvisibleCaregivers experience isolation, burnout, guilt, and identity shifts, especially when societal recognition and support systems are lacking.There’s Power in Naming and Sharing the Caregiving ExperienceCreating language and space for caregivers to talk about their roles fosters community, healing, and validation, helping reduce stigma and silence.Peer-led initiatives can foster meaningful change.Madison and Sarah’s support group aims to build a “spider web” of connection for caregivers, proving that shared lived experience is a powerful tool for healing and advocacy.KEY QUOTES“It doesn't make the weight any lighter, but you feel more supported in carrying it.”— Sarah“The idea that you are also allowed to have needs can feel really foreign.”— Sarah“There’s nobody to ever give you a handout for how to navigate this system.”— Madison“Community makes the hardest things feel more manageable.”— SarahCALL TO ACTIONLook out for the transcript of this episode on the Kindman & Co. blog and sign up for the Kindman & Co. newsletter to stay connected. Interested in joining Sarah and Madison’s support group for caregivers? Follow this link to visit the group’s page on our website. kindman.co
IN THIS EPISODETwo therapists unpack how masculinity is shaped by social policing, reflect on their own experiences of being shamed for vulnerability, and introduce a new men’s group dedicated to exploring more expansive and emotionally authentic forms of masculinity.TOPICSmasculinity, vulnerability, therapy, community, connection, men’s groupsKEY FIGURESJesse Romo, Liam DeGeorgio, Kindman & Co.SUMMARYIn this episode, therapists Jesse and Liam revisit the theme of masculinity, reflecting on the ways boys and men are taught early in life to suppress tenderness and vulnerability. They share personal stories of being policed for showing emotion and describe how aggression and “boys will be boys” attitudes were rewarded, even as they caused long-term harm.The conversation explores how patriarchy limits everyone, including men themselves, and why vulnerability and emotional honesty are not weaknesses but deeper forms of strength. Liam introduces his new group, Redefining Masculinity, which provides a supportive space for masc-presenting individuals to affirm one another, experiment with new ways of expressing themselves, and challenge harmful norms together.Together, Jesse and Liam highlight the ripple effect of healing—how individual men learning to express vulnerability can influence friends, partners, families, and future generations.KEY TAKEAWAYSMasculinity often discourages tenderness and vulnerability while rewarding aggression, leading to isolation and emotional harm.Early childhood experiences of shame and policing shape how men learn to perform masculinity.Vulnerability and emotional honesty are acts of courage that foster deeper connection and resilience.Groups like Redefining Masculinity create space for men to unlearn limiting norms and model new ways of being.Healing within community ripples outward, inspiring change in families, friendships, and society.KEY QUOTES"From a young age, boys are taught to police each other into a narrow version of masculinity." — Liam"If you start crying, people will call you a girl. But if you get angry, people don’t make fun of you — they’re afraid of you. That’s how I adapted." — Jesse"Patriarchy convinces men that the easy way out is to avoid feelings. But the real work — the stronger path — is being vulnerable, accountable, and uncomfortable." — Jesse"Nobody’s born a hyper-alpha male who doesn’t want connection. Those parts of us get shut down — and it’s about reviving them." — Liam"Groups like this matter because they give us space to explore without shame, to ask questions instead of being told: ‘Don’t go there, dude.’" — Liam"Change ripples outward. When men embrace vulnerability, it impacts their partners, their families, and the next generation." — JesseCALL TO ACTIONLook out for the transcript of this episode on the Kindman & Co. blog and sign up for the Kindman & Co. newsletter to stay connected.Interested in Liam’s Redefining Masculinity group? Follow this link to visit the group’s page on our website.
IN THIS EPISODE:Through a candid, unscripted conversation, two associate therapists explore what it really feels like to step into the role of healer while still learning how to hold space for themselves. Liam and Sarah reflect on their paths into therapy, the tension between confidence and self-doubt, and how the therapeutic relationship transforms both client and clinician.TOPICS:becoming a therapist, early-career therapy, therapist vulnerability, relational therapy, self-doubt, impostor syndrome, authenticity, capitalism & mental health, therapeutic relationshipSUMMARY:In this episode, Liam and Sarah—two associate therapists early in their clinical journeys—sit down for an honest conversation about what it's really like to become a therapist. They unpack their own winding paths into the mental health field, from political organizing and museum gift shopsto EMDR and case management.Sarah shares how growing up in deep one-on-one conversations shaped her sense of belonging and guided her toward therapy—even as fear and self-doubt made herquestion whether she was “cut out for it.” Liam reflects on his resistance to traditional work structures, and how therapy offered not just a career path, but a relational home—one built on authenticity, curiosity, and mutual care.Together, they challenge productivity-based models of mental health that treat therapy as something to be “fixed.” Instead, they advocate for therapy as a slow, relational unfolding—one where connection, not just coping skills, becomes the vehicle for change.Whether you’re a fellow clinician, someone considering a mental health career, or a client wondering what goes on behind the scenes, this conversation offers a rare window into the inner worlds of two therapists still becoming.KEY QUOTES:• "I realized that while my therapist was helping me, I was helping her—just by being in that relationship." — Liam• "It’s not like I woke up one day and said, 'This is what I'm meant to do.' It took a lot of hard conversations and reflection." — Sarah• "You go to someone and tell them you’re feeling awful, and they hand you a worksheet? That’s not therapy. That’s capitalism." — Liam• "People aren’t coming to be fixed. They’re coming to be felt with." — Sarah• "There’s wisdom in everybody at every age, if we’re willing to be real with each other." — LiamKEY TAKEAWAYS:• Therapists are always becoming. The work requires constant self-reflection, vulnerability, and a willingness to grow.• The therapeutic relationship is not one-directional.Clients often help their therapists evolve, too.• Quick fixes don’t work. The deeper healing happens overtime, through connection and presence—not productivity hacks.• New therapists often struggle with doubt. Community, mentorship, and honest conversations help keep us grounded.• Being a therapist means being human. It's not about having the answers—it's about being willing to sit in the unknown with someone else.This episode is bringing you to the Decolonizing Therapy podcast, From Root to Bone. From Root To Bone is the podcast for people who are parched, poised and primed to rehydrate our souls and do some unlearning. Dr. Jenn unlocks the gates and has real ass conversations with elders, teachers and her intellectual crushes, folks doing the real ass work towards reclaiming the juiciest parts of our ancestry, history, collective health and liberation.
IN THIS EPISODE: Through an engaging conversation, Shannon Stott reveals how improv can be a transformative practice for personal growth, healing, and building empathetic connections across diverse experiences.TOPICS: play, identity, Presence, healing, Improv, communityKEY FIGURES: Logan Kim, Shannon Stott, Yinka Freeman, Know Other Fest, Vivica C. Coxx, Jozie Clapp, Nika Cherelle, Kindman & Co.SUMMARY:In this episode, Logan Kim and Shannon Stott discuss the transformative power of improv as a healing and self-discovery tool. Shannon, the creator of 'Improv On and Off the Stage', shares her journey of discovering improv's potential through her experiences living in different cultures and learning to create worlds and connections quickly on stage.The conversation centers around Shannon's workshops at Know Other Fest, a queer camping and wellness experience, where she led interactive improv exercises designed to help participants connect with themselves and others. They discuss specific games like the hand-raising awareness exercise and the clapping game, which illustrate how improv can help people learn to be present, make choices, and accept vulnerability in a low-stakes environment.Throughout the episode, Shannon emphasizes that improv is more than just comedy-it's a method of communication, self-exploration, and building understanding between people. By creating imaginary scenarios and practicing acceptance through the principle of 'yes, and', participants can learn to be more present, accept different perspectives, and discover deeper aspects of themselves in a playful, supportive context.KEY QUOTES:• "You can connect with yourself. You're not as scary as you think. The depths of you aren't as scary as you think." - Shannon Stott• "We're always sort of improvising... you don't even sort of like the signals. You're not aware sometimes of the signals your body's giving you." - Shannon Stott• "If I can be vulnerable enough to get on stage and put my hand in the air and talk like a giraffe, where did that even come from? Who am I inside?" - Shannon Stott• "You have to get comfortable with who you are, because who you are may be all you're ever going to be." - Logan KimKEY TAKEAWAYS:• Shannon Stott uses improv as a healing practice to help people connect with themselves and others through playful, low-stakes interactions• Improv can be a powerful tool for developing self-awareness by creating opportunities to tune into bodily sensations and make conscious choices• Know Other Fest provides a unique queer community space where LGBTQ+ individuals can explore and express themselves freely away from external pressures• The core principles of improv, like saying 'yes, and' and listening deeply, can be applied to real-life communication and understanding• Connecting with oneself can be challenging, but play and improvisation offer a less intimidating pathway to self-discovery• Presence and being in the moment are crucial skills that can be practiced through improvisational techniques• Shannon's background of living in multiple cultures inspired her approach to improv as a method of world-building and mutual understanding• Healing and personal growth can happen in spaces beyond traditional therapy, such as through creative practices like improvisationThis Episode is Bringing You To:Community Highlight: Beyond the Binary Therapy GroupA therapist-led space for trans, nonbinary & gender-expansive folks seeking connection & community.Decolonize Your Feed@queerblackwomenallianceatxA safe space centering wellness, community, and education for queer Black women in Austin.@vivicaccoxxVivica C. Coxx (she/they) is a drag artist, activist, and speaker uplifting BIPOC & trans LGBTQ+ stories.@nikacherrelleSex coach & host of The “It” Cast, Nika (they/them) breaks down shame & centers consent in sex ed.
IN THIS EPISODE: Therapists living with chronic illness share their personal journeys of navigating health challenges, emphasizing the importance of community, self-acceptance, and finding humor in the face of ongoing medical struggles. Find the transcript here.TOPICS: healthcare, chronic illness, Disability, Bodies, community, mental healthKEY FIGURES: Spoon theory, Christine Miserandino, Kindman & Co., L.A. Spoonie Collective, raíces therapy, Kaitlin Kindman, Gaby Teresa, Dani Marrufo, Anna Kim, Clarissa SantistebanSUMMARY:In this podcast episode, a group of therapists who identify as 'Spoonies' (people living with chronic illness) discuss their personal experiences navigating chronic health conditions. They explore the challenges of accepting and identifying with chronic illness, including the emotional journey of recognizing one's limitations, dealing with medical gaslighting, and the societal pressure to push through physical challenges. The participants share how they were raised to ignore bodily signals and the difficulty of learning to listen to their bodies and acknowledge their health struggles.The group delves into the concept of 'Spoon Theory,' which explains how people with chronic illness have limited daily energy (represented by spoons) and must carefully manage their physical and emotional resources. They discuss the importance of community and finding support among others who understand the unique challenges of living with chronic illness. The conversation highlights the isolating nature of chronic conditions and the relief of finding a supportive network that validates their experiences.Throughout the episode, the participants use humor and vulnerability to discuss the complex emotional landscape of chronic illness. They address topics such as medical challenges, the grief process of accepting ongoing health conditions, and the ways chronic illness impacts identity and relationships. The group emphasizes the power of finding humor, building community, and developing resilience while living with unpredictable and challenging health conditions.KEY TAKEAWAYS:• Spoon theory explains how people with chronic illness have limited daily energy, requiring careful prioritization of tasks and activities• Finding community and support with other chronically ill people helps reduce isolation, shame, and provides validation of challenging lived experiences• Accepting a chronic illness is a grief process that involves confronting medical gaslighting, societal disbelief, and learning to listen to one's body• Chronic illness often requires unlearning cultural messages about 'pushing through' and instead developing new practices of self-care and energy management• Humor and laughter can be powerful coping mechanisms for dealing with the challenges of chronic illness, allowing people to process difficult experiences• Many people with chronic illnesses struggle with 'invisible' conditions that are not immediately apparent, making self-advocacy and medical validation difficult• Chronic illness impacts multiple aspects of life, including mental health, relationships, work, and personal identity, requiring ongoing adaptation• Online and in-person support groups provide critical spaces for chronically ill people to share experiences, resources, and feel less aloneThis episode is bringing you to...🔹 Chronic Illness Therapy Group – Led by Dani, this group offers a supportive space for folks living with chronic illness to process, connect, and be witnessed. Fill out the interest form here.🔹 L.A. Spoonie Collective – A radical, abolitionist mutual aid collective created by and for chronically ill and disabled people in Los Angeles. They offer community care, political education, and tangible support rooted in disability justice.
IN THIS EPISODE: Three therapists deconstruct toxic masculine norms by vulnerably sharing personal experiences and advocating for a more emotionally intelligent, nurturing approach to masculinity.TOPICS: vulnerability, Masculinity, Therapy, emotions, connectionKEY FIGURES: bell hooks, Steve Wilson, Sophie Strand, The Will to Change, The Flowering Wand, Paul Kindman, Liam DeGeorgio, FD Signifier, Kindman & Co.SUMMARY:In this intimate podcast episode, therapists Paul Kindman, Steve Wilson, and Liam DeGeorgio explore the complex landscape of masculinity, sharing deeply personal stories about how societal expectations and gendered norms have shaped their emotional experiences. They discuss early childhood memories that highlight the restrictive nature of traditional masculinity, such as being discouraged from showing affection, being bullied for expressing sensitivity, or being channeled into aggressive behaviors as a substitute for genuine connection.The conversation delves into the profound emotional harm caused by patriarchal expectations that demand men suppress their feelings and engage in 'psychic self-mutilation'. Each participant shares experiences of being told explicitly and implicitly that certain emotional expressions are unacceptable for men, including showing tenderness, vulnerability, and affection. They reflect on how these limitations create profound loneliness and disconnection among men, and how they have sought to heal and expand their understanding of masculinity.As therapists, they emphasize the importance of modeling a more holistic, compassionate approach to masculinity that embraces the full spectrum of human emotion. They discuss the transformative power of having male role models and therapists who demonstrate sensitivity, nurturing, and gentleness alongside strength. By sharing personal examples from their lives and referencing authors like bell hooks and Sophie Strand, they advocate for a reimagined masculinity that values emotional intelligence, vulnerability, and genuine human connection.KEY TAKEAWAYS:• Traditional masculinity often forces men to suppress emotional vulnerability, leading to psychological self-mutilation and disconnection from their full range of human emotions• Masculine norms frequently discourage physical affection and emotional expression between men, stemming from deep-rooted homophobia and restrictive gender expectations• Early childhood experiences significantly shape men's understanding of masculinity, often through negative reinforcement that punishes emotional openness and gentleness• Healthy masculinity embraces both traditional strengths like stability and physical capability alongside emotional intelligence, vulnerability, and the capacity to nurture others• Many men experience profound loneliness and disconnection due to societal pressures to conform to narrow, emotionally restrictive definitions of manhood• Challenging traditional masculine norms requires conscious effort to unlearn damaging behaviors and create space for more expansive, compassionate ways of expressing masculinityLook out for the full transcript of this episode on the Kindman & Co. blog and sign up for our Kindman & Co. newsletter on our website to get community updates!This episode is bringing you to:Decolonize your Feed by checking out F.D. Signifer, a YouTube content creator, known for doing analysis of black movies and media. You might have seen his recent videos on Dissecting the Manosphere and Connecting the Manosphere…. You can also find him on his Twitter account.And...Your friends’ front door, phone, or DMs to ask the question, “How are you really doing?” In the spirit of showing up for, nurturing, and supporting each other in ways that traditional masculinity inhibits, we’re inviting you to be there with your friends, show some vulnerability, and lessen the loneliness of traditional masculinity in favor of connection and mutual care.
TOPICS: coping, play, adulthood, Privilege, CreativityKEY FIGURES: Dan Siegel, Jesse Romo, Dani Marrufo, Healthy Mind Platter, Kindman & Co.SUMMARY:In this episode of Out of Session, hosts Dani Marrufo and Jesse Romo explore the concept of play in adulthood, discussing how the spontaneous, purposeless nature of play that comes naturally to children becomes increasingly difficult to maintain as people grow older. They reflect on their childhood experiences of play, sharing personal stories about imaginative games, crafting, and outdoor activities that were driven by pure enjoyment rather than productivity or specific goals.The conversation delves into the societal pressures that make play challenging for adults, including the pervasive culture of productivity, the need to justify time spent on non-goal-oriented activities, and the ways in which privilege impacts one's ability to engage in playful experiences. They discuss how financial constraints, work demands, and systemic challenges can limit opportunities for play, particularly for marginalized communities who may be more focused on survival than recreation.Throughout the episode, Dani and Jesse explore play as a form of self-expression, coping mechanism, and connection, highlighting personal examples like Jesse's music creation and Dani's crafting of 'ugly keychains'. They conclude by challenging listeners to reconnect with play as a vital aspect of human experience, emphasizing the importance of engaging in activities without pressure, purpose, or the need for external validation.KEY QUOTES:• "Play that is purposeless, play that isn't about learning something specific... it's intuitive, it's self-evident when you're in it completely." - Jesse Romo• "How easy is it to actually feel playful when being a person of color or being queer or being trans in our world as it currently is?" - Jesse Romo• "As adults, we don't play as often as kids do. And I feel like that's what's resonating... why is it so hard to play as an adult?" - Jesse Romo• "We get so used to having to justify our time." - Jesse Romo• "It is a privilege to play. You need some financial privilege to have more diversity in play." - Dani MarrufoKEY TAKEAWAYS:• Play becomes increasingly difficult for adults as societal expectations of productivity and purpose make spontaneous, purposeless activities feel 'unproductive'• Playfulness can be a form of coping, self-expression, and imagination, particularly during challenging life experiences• The ability to play is influenced by privilege, including financial resources, time, emotional bandwidth, and systemic oppression• Many adults lose the natural, uninhibited approach to play that children have, becoming self-critical and overly focused on outcomes• Play doesn't need to have a specific goal or be monetized - its value lies in the experience itself and the joy it brings• Different forms of play exist, from creative hobbies to spontaneous activities like dance parties, and can be deeply personal and meaningful• The current societal and global context can make it challenging to feel playful, as heavy emotions and stressors can inhibit one's capacity for lightheartednessLook out for the full transcript of this episode on the Kindman & Co. blog and sign up for our Kindman & Co. newsletter on our website to get community updates!This episode is bringing you to: YOU! We hope that this episode motivates or encourages you to play. Whether it's getting outside, doing something crafty, or something else, we encourage you to play without pressure, without purpose, and without needing to validate or justify your play to yourself or anyone else.
IN THIS EPISODE: In a candid discussion about managing stress and anxiety, two therapists offer compassionate insights into navigating complex social challenges through community support, self-care, and collective resilience.TOPICS: Media, community, Stress, activism, dissociation, AnxietyKEY FIGURES: Elon Musk, Donald Trump, Mark Zuckerberg, Sam Sanders, Steve Wilson, Ava Max, Zach Stafford, Vibe Check, Saeed Jones, Logan Kim, Mutual Aid LA Network, Criterion Collection, Blue CaftanSUMMARY:In this episode of Out of Session, hosts Steve Wilson and Logan Kim discuss the challenges of managing stress and anxiety during tumultuous times, particularly focusing on the political and social climate surrounding the second Trump presidency. They explore the overwhelming range of systemic stressors affecting people, including political changes, climate issues, queerphobia, transphobia, racism, and other social challenges that contribute to feelings of fear, helplessness, and anxiety.The hosts emphasize the importance of finding balance in engaging with difficult realities while not becoming completely overwhelmed. They discuss coping strategies such as seeking community connection, practicing self-care, finding joy in small moments, and recognizing that dissociation and other coping mechanisms are natural responses to extreme stress. They also highlight the significance of being kind to oneself and understanding that individuals cannot solve all societal problems alone.Throughout the conversation, Steve and Logan advocate for taking action through community involvement, creative expression, and supporting collective efforts. They recommend finding ways to contribute that feel personally meaningful, whether through joining specific advocacy groups, supporting younger generations, engaging in creative pursuits, or simply finding moments of joy and connection. The episode ultimately offers a compassionate and hopeful perspective on navigating challenging social landscapes by maintaining human connection and resilience.KEY TAKEAWAYS:• Feeling fear, anxiety, and overwhelm in response to current societal challenges is a normal and valid emotional reaction• Practicing self-care is not selfish, but crucial for maintaining personal and community resilience during stressful times• Finding and maintaining community connection is essential for combating feelings of powerlessness and isolation• There are multiple ways to take action and support social causes beyond traditional protest, including supporting grassroots organizations and being intentional about where you get information• Creative expression and finding moments of joy are important forms of resistance and personal healing during challenging times• Systemic challenges often rely on individual feelings of helplessness, so recognizing collective power is crucial for maintaining hope• Queer and marginalized identities remain valid and resilient regardless of oppressive political policies or social pressuresThis episode is bringing you to: Mutual Aid LA Network, a connector and information hub for mutual aid efforts, people and resources across Los Angeles. They’re building toward abolition and believe in an abundant world that can be freed of oppression through community solidarity. Check out their Group Directory for a running list of mutual aid groups active across LA. You’ll find links, info about what the group is and what they do, and tags to help you search and filter for groups needing volunteers or donations! Instagram: @mutualaidlaOne podcast we’re recommending to decolonize your media feed is Vibe Check, a podcast run by three queer black men, Saeed Jones, Sam Sanders, and Zack Stafford and their take on pop culture and current events. Tune in on your favorite streaming platform to listen to them make sense of what’s going on in news and culture, and how it all feels. Instagram: @vibecheck_pod
IN THIS EPISODE: A candid podcast episode examining the challenges of discussing politics with family during the holidays, emphasizing personal boundaries, emotional self-care, and the nuanced ways individuals navigate potentially divisive familial relationships.TOPICS: politics, Holidays, Boundaries, Bodily autonomy, family, VotingKEY FIGURES: Donald Trump, Dani Marrufo, Demi Rodriguez, Kindman & Co.SUMMARY:In this episode of Out of Session, hosts Dani Marrufo and Demi Rodriguez discuss their experiences with voting and navigating politics during the holiday season. They share personal stories about their family's voting experiences, highlighting Demi's father voting for the first time and Dani's connection with her grandmother around political discussions. The conversation reveals the complexities of family dynamics and political engagement, particularly within the Latinx community.The hosts explore the challenges of discussing politics with family during the holidays, examining different strategies for managing difficult conversations and maintaining boundaries. They discuss online advice and personal experiences about how to handle family members with divergent political views. They emphasize the importance of personal emotional well-being and self-protection.A significant part of their discussion centers on the concept of chosen family and the idea that shared genetics do not obligate one to maintain relationships, especially when core values and respect are at stake. They share personal strategies for coping with family gatherings, such as bringing comforting reminders like photos or wearing a partner's clothing, and discuss the importance of modeling respectful behavior for younger family members. The conversation ultimately underscores the need for compassion, self-care, and intentional communication during potentially stressful family interactions.KEY QUOTES:• "Just because you share genetics doesn't mean you owe them a relationship." - Reddit User (referenced by Dani Marrufo)• "If it's specifically for political reasons, many politics involve ethics. That may be uncompromising." - Reddit User (referenced by Demi Rodriguez)• "If you have a view of a certain political view, let's... a huge one is bodily autonomy and getting to make decisions on my own body." - Demi RodriguezKEY TAKEAWAYS:• Voting can be a deeply personal and family-driven experience, with family members encouraging each other to participate in elections even when they've historically felt uncertain about voting• Politics during family gatherings can be emotionally taxing, with some family members prioritizing political discussions over personal connections and relationships• Setting and maintaining personal boundaries during holiday gatherings is crucial, especially when dealing with potentially divisive political topics• Not all family relationships are worth preserving, especially when core ethical beliefs and personal identities are not respected• The holiday season can amplify existing family tensions, particularly in the context of recent elections and political polarization• Chosen family and personal well-being are more important than maintaining relationships with relatives who consistently disrespect or dismiss one's experiencesLook out for the full transcript of this episode on the Kindman & Co. blog and sign up for our Kindman & Co. newsletter on our website to get community updates!This episode is bringing you to:The resources discussed on this episode to help you navigate politics and difficult conversations this holiday season.https://www.therapywitholivia.com/blog/surviving-the-holidays-a-therapists-tips-on-how-to-better-manage-holidays-with-the-familyhttps://www.scripps.org/news_items/5074-10-ways-to-cope-with-difficult-relatives-during-the-holidays
In this episode of Out of Session, therapist, Anna Kim, together with guest, Dr. Aaron Balick, critically examine the rise of online therapy platforms like BetterHelp, discussing the fundamental differences between traditional psychotherapy and tech-driven mental health services. They argue that while these platforms promise convenience and accessibility, they fundamentally misunderstand the complex, relational nature of therapy, which requires consistent boundaries, deep engagement, and the willingness to sit with discomfort.The conversation delves into how technology platforms like BetterHelp have essentially commodified therapy, treating it like a consumer product that can be easily switched or customized. Both Kim and Balick highlight the problematic aspects of such platforms, including the ability to change therapists quickly, text messaging therapists, and the lack of consistent therapeutic boundaries, which can undermine the essential work of processing emotional experiences and developing interpersonal skills.Beyond critiquing online therapy platforms, the discussion explores broader implications for mental health in the digital age, including the 'TikTok-ification' of mental health information and the challenge of translating deep therapeutic work into easily consumable content. They emphasize that true therapeutic growth requires time, commitment, and the willingness to engage in complex interpersonal relationships, which cannot be reduced to a subscription-based service or quick technological solution.For more on this topic, check out the blogs that brought Aaron and Anna together:Dr Aaron Balick - BetterHelp or BetterNot? Ensuring Mental Health Tech Innovation is Psychologically Sound.Anna Kim, LCSW - On Better Help than BetterHelpLook out for the full transcript of this episode on the Kindman & Co. blog and sign up for our Kindman & Co. newsletter on our website to get community updates!This episode is bringing you to: Scribble is a nonprofit community center in Highland Park, Los Angeles, CA. They offer affordable individual, couples, group, and family counseling on a sliding scale, as well as other workshops, classes, and community events, including live music and arts performances. Scribble is an inclusive and community-focused organization, and a sober space. Their services are available in person and via telehealth throughout the state of California. Instagram: @scribble.communityInclusive Therapists is a social justice and liberation-oriented mental health directory, community, and resource hub. This can be a great place to start your search for a therapist or group, knowing that the providers on the platform are committed to Racial, @SLGBTQIA+, Neurodivergence, and Disability Justice. Inclusive Therapists also centers the needs of Black, Indigenous, and People of Color (BIPOC) and Queer, Trans, Nonbinary, Intersex, ACE+ intersections (QTBIPOC)—both clients and providers. Therapists on this platform are also able to share about their identities, life experiences, and specialty areas so that clients can make a more informed choice, and find a therapist that is a good fit for them. Instagram: @inclusivetherapists
Join Jesse in conversation with Anthony Bishop as they discuss their experiences in recovery from addiction and the social landscape of addiction and recovery. Their conversation covers a wide range of topics, including defining addiction, the relation between human connection and addiction/recovery, and the importance of community and social context in how we understand recovery. This is the second part of a two-episode series.There will be a full transcript of this episode, as well as show notes, on the Kindman & Co. blog, so be sure to check that out for more information!Look out for the full transcript of this episode on the Kindman & Co. blog and sign up for our Kindman & Co. newsletter on our website to get community updates!This episode is bringing you to: Faces and Voices of Recovery is a leading nonprofit recovery advocacy organization. They work with recovery community organizations and communities throughout the US to advocate for normalizing recovery and de-stigmatizing addiction. Notably, in the last few years, they've taken a strong stance in support of social justice and equity and have become one of the stronger advocates for making recovery more inclusive, equitable, and socially just. They organize events, groups, and recovery resources. You can get involved by attending one of their events or donating to the organization. Instagram: @facesandvoicesofrecoveryThe SAFE Project also provides various addiction and mental health resources and is working to support increased equity in addiction recovery. Their website states, “Equitable access to prevention, intervention, treatment, and recovery resources must start with the acknowledgement of the historical context of systemic inequity in the addiction epidemic. By understanding the history of the epidemic, we can focus on eliminating health disparities and achieving optimal health for all Americans. We support all people who are impacted by substance use and mental health challenges, including those who work to make programs and resources more readily available and easily accessible. We also understand that the disease of addiction may not discriminate, but the root causes related to it do, including but not limited to inequities of health and wellbeing, education, poverty, and social and economic mobility. We are committed to acknowledging and generating action oriented approaches that are inclusive to all Americans impacted by addiction, as well as the root causes of the disease. Instagram: @safeprojectus
Join Jesse in conversation with Anthony Bishop as they discuss their experiences in recovery from addiction and the social landscape of addiction and recovery. Their conversation covers a wide range of topics, including defining addiction, the relation between human connection and addiction/recovery, and the importance of community and social context in how we understand recovery. This is the first part of a two-episode series.There will be a full transcript of this episode, as well as show notes, on the Kindman & Co. blog, so be sure to check that out for more information!Look out for the full transcript of this episode on the Kindman & Co. blog and sign up for our Kindman & Co. newsletter on our website to get community updates!This episode is bringing you to: Faces and Voices of Recovery is a leading nonprofit recovery advocacy organization. They work with recovery community organizations and communities throughout the US to advocate for normalizing recovery and de-stigmatizing addiction. Notably, in the last few years, they've taken a strong stance in support of social justice and equity and have become one of the stronger advocates for making recovery more inclusive, equitable, and socially just. They organize events, groups, and recovery resources. You can get involved by attending one of their events or donating to the organization. Instagram: @facesandvoicesofrecoveryThe SAFE Project also provides various addiction and mental health resources and is working to support increased equity in addiction recovery. Their website states, “Equitable access to prevention, intervention, treatment, and recovery resources must start with the acknowledgement of the historical context of systemic inequity in the addiction epidemic. By understanding the history of the epidemic, we can focus on eliminating health disparities and achieving optimal health for all Americans. We support all people who are impacted by substance use and mental health challenges, including those who work to make programs and resources more readily available and easily accessible. We also understand that the disease of addiction may not discriminate, but the root causes related to it do, including but not limited to inequities of health and wellbeing, education, poverty, and social and economic mobility. We are committed to acknowledging and generating action oriented approaches that are inclusive to all Americans impacted by addiction, as well as the root causes of the disease. Instagram: @safeprojectus
Join Dani in an interview with Demi Rodriguez as they discuss their experiences with voting as Latinas. Demi is a 1st generation Latina who grew up seeing her parents' relationship with voting and developed her own understanding of how to embrace culture and her right to vote. Look out for the full transcript of this episode on the Kindman & Co. blog and sign up for our Kindman & Co. newsletter on our website to get updates on our upcoming Civic Sunday event!This episode is bringing you to: Civic Sunday: Civic Sundays motto is “Show Up, Do Something.” They host election actions, every Sunday—phone banking, text banking, postcarding, and canvassing for progressive candidates nationwide.Voto Latino Instagram account: @votolatino is a non-profit organization focused on getting latino voters to the polls, encouraging Latinos to stay informed on political topics, and empowering our community to get involved in election actions.
In this episode of 'Out of Session w/ Kindman & Co.', host Caitlin Harrison interviews Cait Ference-Saunders, of Move with Cait, a Trauma Centered Trauma Sensitive Yoga (TCTSY) facilitator, about embodiment, making choices, and religious trauma. Cait shares her background in yoga and her journey through understanding trauma, explaining that TCTSY is a research-based recovery modality developed to help individuals navigate complex and relational trauma by emphasizing personal agency and choice.The conversation delves deeply into religious trauma, exploring how high-control religious environments can create complex psychological impacts, particularly in evangelical Christian contexts. Both Caitlin and Cait discuss their personal experiences with religious deconstruction, highlighting how traditional religious frameworks often deny the body's inherent wisdom and create fragmented relationships with one's own physical and emotional experiences.Cait explains her approach to trauma-sensitive yoga as a way of helping individuals reconnect with their bodies on their own terms, emphasizing that the goal is not to force positivity but to create a neutral, choice-based relationship with one's body. The discussion underscores the importance of recognizing bodily experiences as valid sources of information and healing, particularly for those recovering from religious trauma or other forms of systemic oppression.Caitlin and Cait had such an enjoyable experience in this episode that they’re actually planning an embodiment workshop in the new year, joined by Gaby Teresa! Head to Kindman & Co.’s instagram for more information!There will be a full transcript of this episode, as well as show notes, on the Kindman & Co. blog, so be sure to check that out for more information!Thank you again to Cait for joining us on our podcast! Here are a few more pieces of information if you’re interested in working with Cait:Her instagram: @move_withcait And newsletter: https://bit.ly/movewithcaitThis episode is bringing you to:Michelle C. Johnson’s instagram: @skillinaction Our guest Cait highly recommends Michelle’s account and notes that she “just started reading her book and it’s really good. She’s a former social worker and yoga practitioner doing justice work grounded in yogic texts.”Save Poppy Peak - this is a local campaign that “exists to ensure the character and quality of life in historic North Highland Park by protecting the area’s last hillside open space from residential development.”
Dani, Steve, and Caitlin , three therapists, dive into the origin and meaning of 'Hot Girl Summer', tracing its roots to Megan Thee Stallion's 2019 album and subsequent social media posts. Stallion defined the term as being about being unapologetically oneself, having fun, being confident, and living your truth - a message that transcends gender and celebrates personal authenticity.The discussion critically examines the cultural appropriation of the term, highlighting how black women's cultural contributions are often co-opted by mainstream culture without proper credit or economic compensation. The hosts discuss how quickly the phrase was adopted by brands and individuals, often stripping it of its original meaningful context and empowerment message.In a playful segment, the hosts reimagine 'Hot Girl Summer' through their personal lenses, proposing alternative summer themes like 'Androgynous August', 'Chafe Cream Summer', and 'Touch Grass and Get Ass Summer'. Their interpretations retain the core spirit of Stallion's original concept: being true to oneself, having fun, and embracing personal freedom without judgment.This episode is bringing you to: Bad Bitches Have Bad Days Too which is Megan Thee Stallion's mental health website that has amazing resources!The Artform Studio which is a Black and woman owned hair salon/ record store in Highland Park! Highly recommend!
In this episode of Out of Session w/ Kindman & Co., host Dani Marrufo engages in a profound conversation with José Vidrio, owner of Highland Park Training, about the evolving concepts of fatherhood and masculinity. They delve into the challenges and responsibilities of modern fatherhood, exploring how traditional masculine roles are being redefined in today's society. José shares personal experiences and insights on navigating identity, emotional expression, and the societal expectations placed on men. This discussion offers valuable perspectives for anyone interested in understanding the complexities of male identity and the transformative journey of fatherhood.Today we're bringing you to: Highland Park Training and encouraging you to check out The Dad Vibes on Instagram to see wholesome fatherhood content.
Explore gender and sexuality with Courtney Rago and Steve Wilson - two of our therapists who are queer and also work with many queer clients. Courtney and Steve will dive deeper into the definitions and terminology used by the LGBTQIA2S+ community. They'll also share their own experiences and identity, and discuss how definitions themselves can be frustrating.
Caitlin Harrison commonly hears clients and people in her life describing themselves and their needs as "too much". What this truly translates to is that we're living in an environment that is not enough for us. Listen in as Caitlin dives into societal pressures, systemic barriers, and her own experiences with privilege as a white therapist.
Let's dive into why Kindman & Co (specifically Dani & Amanda, 2 people of color) launched this podcast, how it feels to establish a platform, to speak, to take up space, and freely speak about lived experiences. Given the history of feeling silenced.
In this episode, co-founders Kaitlin and Paul Kindman sit down with Care Coordinator Amanda to share the origins of Kindman & Co., a therapy practice rooted in social justice and relational approaches. They discuss the challenges and triumphs of building a practice that prioritizes inclusivity, community, and a commitment to mental health liberation.