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Out of the Box
Out of the Box
Author: Margherita Carrozzo and Abby Justinger
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Out of the Box is a podcast born from a simple belief: logistics deserves more visibility. Too often, people stumble into this industry by chance – only to discover its depth, complexity, and impact on our daily lives. We bring clarity and transparency to logistics by sharing insightful, accessible conversations with voices from across the industry – technology innovators, consultants, distributors, and passionate advocates alike. Our goal is to create high-quality, conversational content that makes logistics more understandable, more visible, and more exciting for everyone.
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Most ecommerce founders don't discover their growth was unprofitable until the cash runs out. Abir Syed, CPA and co-founder of UpCounting, has taken over the books of enough brands to know exactly where the warning signs hide, and he names them one by one: what he checks first in a P&L, and what it tells him. He explains why average CAC conceals customers who will never break even, how a flat MER can mask an acquisition collapse that returning customers are quietly propping up, and why an unusually high days-inventory-on-hand is usually a COGS error that corrupts unit costs, pricing and targets in one go. He also goes through the five numbers worth reviewing on a fixed cadence, plus the ones smaller brands can safely ignore until they're past a million in revenue. It's a rare chance to hear how a CFO actually reads a set of books, and to work out what your own might be hiding.
There's a gap in almost every warehouse — between what the WMS says is on the shelf and what's actually there. Joe Mirabile, VP of Operations at Gather AI, puts it plainly: accuracy rates in the field hover between 65–85%, and the difference is almost always human. In this episode of Out of the Box, Margherita sits down with Joe to unpack why inventory accuracy has been such a stubborn problem — and why cycle counting, the industry's default fix, is already stale by the time it's done. Joe walks through how Gather AI's drone and forklift-mounted camera systems create a continuous, real-time digital footprint of every pallet in a facility, correcting the WMS automatically rather than waiting for someone to notice the discrepancy. From detecting a pallet that had gone unnoticed for four years to enabling fully automated weekend scanning with a self-charging drone nest, this one gets into the operational detail that most tech conversations skip.
Choosing a 3PL isn't just an operational decision, it's a geographic one. In this episode, 3PL Hub Founder Ryan Bennett, who has run over 200 3PL RFPs, breaks down why where you place your inventory is one of the most underleveraged levers in e-commerce. From single-node vs. dual-node trade-offs to the data signals that tell you when it's time to expand your footprint, Ryan makes the case that zip code is strategy. He shares how one brand cut shipping costs by 25% simply by adding a second location, and why brands that skip this analysis are quietly leaving margin on the table. If you're a founder scaling fulfillment or a logistics tech provider advising multi-location accounts, this episode will change how you read a map.
Every 3PL knows the feeling — carriers want their money fast, brands want more time to pay, and you're stuck in the middle trying to make payroll.In this episode, we sit down with Braden DiCristofano, co-founder of Rocket Fuel, who lived this reality firsthand. From watching $500K in cash evaporate over a Black Friday weekend to discovering $250K in unrecovered USPS adjustments, Braden pulls no punches about the financial traps that silently drain 3PL businesses — and what it actually takes to get out of them.We dig into:How carrier net terms are tightening while brand payment expectations are notWhy parcel is your biggest revenue line but your most dangerous margin riskHow a rechargeable wallet model can close the cash flow gap for goodWhy automated billing and auditing are no longer optional for a profitable 3PLWhether you're a 3PL founder losing sleep over cash flow or a brand wanting to understand the financial pressures your fulfillment partner faces, this one is essential listening."We lost $250,000 this year on adjustments from USPS. Shame on us for not knowing — but I know for a fact I'm not the first and only 3PL to have that frustrating realization." — Braden DiCristofano
Fulfillment used to sit quietly in the background. Now, it defines your brand.From shipping speed to packaging, communication, and how issues are handled, every operational detail shapes the customer experience. But as brands scale across channels and expectations rise, many are finding that traditional 3PLs weren’t built for this new reality.In this episode, we sit down with Chad Carleton, founder of Good Company Ships, to explore a different approach to fulfillment. One where your 3PL doesn’t just move boxes, but acts as a true extension of your team.Chad built Good Company Ships to challenge the status quo: moving away from rigid processes and transactional relationships toward a model rooted in partnership, transparency, and brand alignment.We unpack what white-glove fulfillment really means (beyond nicer packaging), how to maintain a high-touch experience while scaling operations, and where traditional 3PLs tend to break down when it comes to brand experience. If you’re scaling your ecommerce operations, frustrated with your current 3PL, or rethinking how fulfillment impacts your brand, this episode will give you a clearer framework for what great partnership actually looks like and why it matters now more than ever.








