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Author: Gemma Hoskins & Shane Waters

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Join grassroots investigator from Netflix's docu-series 'The Keepers' Gemma Hoskins and Investigative Podcaster Shane Waters as they further explore Sister Cathy Cesnik's unsolved murder and the coverup of sexual abuse by Catholic priests in Baltimore.

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Shane and Gemma sit down with Ellen Lacter, Ph.D., Licensed Clinical Psychologist to discuss extreme abuse and how it can impact victim survivors and their memories. Joining us on this multiple part episode discussion is Jean Wehner, also known as Jane Doe during the mid-90s lawsuit.**TRIGGER WARNING** Jean is aware that the topic we are about to discuss is difficult to hear, so she warns that the conversation you are about to listen to is painfully raw and can’t help but be upsetting, especially if you are a survivor. However, it is necessary to talk about such things in order for us to separate victim from abuser, so we can see how systematically premeditated Maskell and other perpetrators are in their efforts to make their victims believe they are solely responsible for what happened to them. Knowing how triggering it is for her to just talk about what the abusers made her do, feel & think she recommends that survivors have their therapists or close supporters listen to this 3 part interview before or with them. As always don’t feel you need to listen!Join Gemma Hoskins and Shane Waters as they continue the conversation that Netflix's Docu-Series "The Keepers" shared with the world in 2017. Although Gemma and many people you hear from were featured in the Docu-Series; This production is not affiliated with Netflix. Join us for discussion on our facebook group 'Out of the Shadows Discussion Group' - you can submit questions or topics you'd like us to explore by joining this group or emailing us (Shane@ShadowsPod.com)Checkout our newly designed website done using WIX.com! : Shadowspod.comSupport our show on Patreon by going to Patreon.com/theshadowspodOne-Time Donations can be made via Paypal to Shane@Shadowspod.comTwitter:​ @theshadowspodGoFundMe for Survivors : https://www.gofundme.com/5au8h7cSponsor : WearLively.com/Shadows and enter SHADOWS at checkoutSponsor : WithCove.com/ShadowsSponsor : Audible.com/Shadows or Text 'Shadows' to 500-500Sponsor : Wix.com enter PROMO code SHADOWS for 10% Premium PlansSponsor : StitchFix.com/Shadows Sponsor : TakeCareOf.com enter PROMO code SHADOWS50 for 50% off! Sponsor : GreenChef.us/ShadowsSponsor : NativeDeodorant.com PROMO code SHADOWSSponsor : Shadows.Robinhood.comSponsor : Betterhelp.com/ShadowsSponsor : Storyworth.com/Shadows for $20 offYou can find our show and ALL episodes by smartphone app 'Himalaya' - search for it in the Google Play store or iTunes store then follow us!  For information regarding your data privacy, visit acast.com/privacy
Gemma and Shane sit down with two long time listeners who are very active in the 'Out of the Shadows' discussion group to discuss some new information recently learned. Join Gemma Hoskins and Shane Waters as they continue the conversation that Netflix's Docu-Series "The Keepers" shared with the world in 2017. Although Gemma and many people you hear from were featured in the Docu-Series; This production is not affiliated with Netflix. Join us for discussion on our facebook group 'Out of the Shadows Discussion Group' - you can submit questions or topics you'd like us to explore by joining this group or emailing us (Shane@ShadowsPod.com)Checkout our newly designed website done using WIX.com! : Shadowspod.comSupport our show on Patreon by going to Patreon.com/theshadowspodOne-Time Donations can be made via Paypal to Shane@Shadowspod.comTwitter:​ @theshadowspodGoFundMe for Survivors : https://www.gofundme.com/5au8h7cSponsor : WearLively.com/Shadows and enter SHADOWS at checkoutSponsor : WithCove.com/ShadowsSponsor : Audible.com/Shadows or Text 'Shadows' to 500-500Sponsor : Wix.com enter PROMO code SHADOWS for 10% Premium PlansSponsor : StitchFix.com/Shadows Sponsor : TakeCareOf.com enter PROMO code SHADOWS50 for 50% off! Sponsor : GreenChef.us/ShadowsSponsor : NativeDeodorant.com PROMO code SHADOWSSponsor : Shadows.Robinhood.comSponsor : Betterhelp.com/ShadowsSponsor : Storyworth.com/Shadows for $20 offYou can find our show and ALL episodes by smartphone app 'Himalaya' - search for it in the Google Play store or iTunes store then follow us!  For information regarding your data privacy, visit acast.com/privacy
Gemma and Shane sit down to discuss the details surrounding Joyce Malecki's unsolved murder case with Joyce's family. Join Gemma Hoskins and Shane Waters as they continue the conversation that Netflix's Docu-Series "The Keepers" shared with the world in 2017. Although Gemma and many people you hear from were featured in the Docu-Series; This production is not affiliated with Netflix. Join us for discussion on our facebook group 'Out of the Shadows Discussion Group' - you can submit questions or topics you'd like us to explore by joining this group or emailing us (Shane@ShadowsPod.com)Checkout our newly designed website done using WIX.com! : Shadowspod.comSupport our show on Patreon by going to Patreon.com/theshadowspodOne-Time Donations can be made via Paypal to Shane@Shadowspod.comTwitter:​ @theshadowspodGoFundMe for Survivors : https://www.gofundme.com/5au8h7cSponsor : Audible.com/Shadows or Text 'Shadows' to 500-500Sponsor : Wix.com enter PROMO code SHADOWS for 10% Premium PlansSponsor : StitchFix.com/Shadows Sponsor : TakeCareOf.com enter PROMO code SHADOWS50 for 50% off! Sponsor : GreenChef.us/ShadowsSponsor : NativeDeodorant.com PROMO code SHADOWSSponsor : Shadows.Robinhood.comSponsor : Betterhelp.com/ShadowsSponsor : Storyworth.com/Shadows for $20 offYou can find our show and ALL episodes by smartphone app 'Himalaya' - search for it in the Google Play store or iTunes store then follow us!  For information regarding your data privacy, visit acast.com/privacy
Gemma Hoskins and Shane Waters sit down with Mary Spence, a former Keough student who overheard a man yelling loudly from the direction of Cathy's apartment building around the time Cathy could have made it back from shopping. Join Gemma Hoskins and Shane Waters as they continue the conversation that Netflix's Docu-Series "The Keepers" shared with the world in 2017. Although Gemma and many people you hear from were featured in the Docu-Series; This production is not affiliated with Netflix. Join us for discussion on our facebook group 'Out of the Shadows Discussion Group' - you can submit questions or topics you'd like us to explore by joining this group or emailing us (Shane@ShadowsPod.com)Checkout our newly designed website done using WIX.com! : Shadowspod.comSupport our show on Patreon by going to Patreon.com/theshadowspodOne-Time Donations can be made via Paypal to Shane@Shadowspod.comTwitter:​ @theshadowspodGoFundMe for Survivors : https://www.gofundme.com/5au8h7cSponsor : Wix.com enter PROMO code SHADOWS for 10% Premium PlansSponsor : StitchFix.com/Shadows Sponsor : TakeCareOf.com enter PROMO code SHADOWS50 for 50% off! Sponsor : GreenChef.us/ShadowsSponsor : NativeDeodorant.com PROMO code SHADOWSSponsor : Shadows.Robinhood.comSponsor : Betterhelp.com/ShadowsSponsor : Storyworth.com/Shadows for $20 offYou can find our show and ALL episodes by smartphone app 'Himalaya' - search for it in the Google Play store or iTunes store then follow us!  For information regarding your data privacy, visit acast.com/privacy
Shane and Gemma explore Baltimore, specifically at the places of importance to Sister Cathy and Joyce's cases. The audio from this episode was recorded remotely along streets and in woods so be prepared for noise from passing traffic and stubborn wind.Join Gemma Hoskins and Shane Waters as they continue the conversation that Netflix's Docu-Series "The Keepers" shared with the world in 2017. Although Gemma and many people you hear from were featured in the Docu-Series; This production is not affiliated with Netflix. Join us for discussion on our facebook group 'Out of the Shadows Discussion Group' - you can submit questions or topics you'd like us to explore by joining this group or emailing us (Shane@ShadowsPod.com)Checkout our newly designed website done using WIX.com! : Shadowspod.comSupport our show on Patreon by going to Patreon.com/theshadowspodOne-Time Donations can be made via Paypal to Shane@Shadowspod.comTwitter:​ @theshadowspodGoFundMe for Survivors : https://www.gofundme.com/5au8h7cSponsor : Wix.com enter PROMO code SHADOWS for 10% Premium PlansSponsor : StitchFix.com/Shadows Sponsor : TakeCareOf.com enter PROMO code SHADOWS50 for 50% off! Sponsor : GreenChef.us/ShadowsSponsor : NativeDeodorant.com PROMO code SHADOWSSponsor : Shadows.Robinhood.comSponsor : Betterhelp.com/ShadowsSponsor : Storyworth.com/Shadows for $20 offYou can find our show and ALL episodes by smartphone app 'Himalaya' - search for it in the Google Play store or iTunes store then follow us!  For information regarding your data privacy, visit acast.com/privacy
This week Gemma and Shane sat down to discuss the crazy 'Kelly the box girl' scenario we reminded you of last week when we searched all over the world for a box of evidence. Our special guest is who we later found out to be a victim in this scam - and who we referred to as 'Jane the phone lady' when we first presented the episode last week. Make sure you have already re-listened to last week's episode! Join Gemma Hoskins and Shane Waters as they continue the conversation that Netflix's Docu-Series "The Keepers" shared with the world in 2017. Although Gemma and many people you hear from were featured in the Docu-Series; This production is not affiliated with Netflix. Join us for discussion on our facebook group 'Out of the Shadows Discussion Group' - you can submit questions or topics you'd like us to explore by joining this group or emailing us (Shane@ShadowsPod.com)Sponsor for this episode : Wix.com enter PROMO code SHADOWS for 10% off Premium PlansCheckout our newly designed website done using WIX.com! : Shadowspod.comSupport our show on Patreon by going to Patreon.com/theshadowspodOne-Time Donations can be made via Paypal to Shane@Shadowspod.comTwitter:​ @theshadowspodGoFundMe for Survivors : https://www.gofundme.com/5au8h7cSponsor : Wix.com enter PROMO code SHADOWS for 10% Premium PlansSponsor : StitchFix.com/Shadows Sponsor : TakeCareOf.com enter PROMO code SHADOWS50 for 50% off! Sponsor : GreenChef.us/ShadowsSponsor : NativeDeodorant.com PROMO code SHADOWSSponsor : Shadows.Robinhood.comSponsor : Betterhelp.com/ShadowsSponsor : Storyworth.com/Shadows for $20 offYou can find our show and ALL episodes by smartphone app 'Himalaya' - search for it in the Google Play store or iTunes store then follow us! Checkout our website : Shadowspod.com For information regarding your data privacy, visit acast.com/privacy
Many of you have been reaching out asking where you can find two episodes Gemma and I have referenced in the podcast a few times on Kelly the Box Girl. In February of 2018 Gemma and I worked together to chase a promising lead after The Keepers was released. The two episodes are really far back in the podcast’s archives so to help listeners find it we decided to release the two episodes combined for this week’s episode in our Sister Cathy series. What you are about to hear is a series of odd events that resulted in us trying to track down a box of what seemed to be very important evidence. Stick around to the very end to hear our conclusion.  For information regarding your data privacy, visit acast.com/privacy
A few weeks ago we shared that house Bill 687, also known as The Hidden Predator Act of 2019, was being sponsored by CT Wilson. House Delegate Wilson’s Bill would end Maryland’s statue of limitations for civil claims against perpetrators of child sex abuse - and would also include a 2 year look-back window, a time which victims could bring claims in cases where the previous statute of limitations has expired. If you’ve seen The Keepers, you will remember Delegate Wilson speaking on his experience as a survivor and how hard it is to pass laws that the Archdiocese fights against. This week we want you to hear Delegate Wilson’s speech as well as the back and forth in Annapolis, Maryland in March at the Judicial Proceedings Committee. 1 in 4 girls and 1 in 6 boys are sexually abused in the United States - and to this day most still have not disclosed their abuse publicly. Join Gemma Hoskins and Shane Waters as they continue the conversation that Netflix's Docu-Series "The Keepers" shared with the world in 2017. Although Gemma and many people you hear from were featured in the Docu-Series; This production is not affiliated with Netflix. Join us for discussion on our facebook group 'Out of the Shadows Discussion Group' - you can submit questions or topics you'd like us to explore by joining this group or emailing us (Shane@ShadowsPod.com)Support our show on Patreon by going to Patreon.com/theshadowspodOne-Time Donations can be made via Paypal to Shane@Shadowspod.comTwitter:​ @theshadowspodGoFundMe for Survivors : https://www.gofundme.com/5au8h7cSponsor : Wix.com enter PROMO code SHADOWS for 10% Premium PlansSponsor : StitchFix.com/Shadows Sponsor : TakeCareOf.com enter PROMO code SHADOWS50 for 50% off! Sponsor : GreenChef.us/ShadowsSponsor : NativeDeodorant.com PROMO code SHADOWSSponsor : Shadows.Robinhood.comSponsor : Betterhelp.com/ShadowsSponsor : Storyworth.com/Shadows for $20 offYou can find our show and ALL episodes by smartphone app 'Himalaya' - search for it in the Google Play store or iTunes store then follow us! Checkout our website : Shadowspod.com For information regarding your data privacy, visit acast.com/privacy
In Maryland Shane and Gemma sit down to discuss the Cemetery dig that uncovered a large room sized hole in the ground that Fr Maskell used to hide documents and photos. Accompanying this podcast is a short video on the cemetery dig which can be found in the Out of the Shadows Discussion Group.Join Gemma Hoskins and Shane Waters as they continue the conversation that Netflix's Docu-Series "The Keepers" shared with the world in 2017. Although Gemma and many people you hear from were featured in the Docu-Series; This production is not affiliated with Netflix. Join us for discussion on our facebook group 'Out of the Shadows Discussion Group' - you can submit questions or topics you'd like us to explore by joining this group or emailing us (Shane@ShadowsPod.com)Support our show on Patreon by going to Patreon.com/theshadowspodOne-Time Donations can be made via Paypal to Shane@Shadowspod.comTwitter:​ @theshadowspodGoFundMe for Survivors : https://www.gofundme.com/5au8h7cSponsor : Wix.com enter PROMO code SHADOWS for 10% Premium PlansSponsor : StitchFix.com/Shadows Sponsor : TakeCareOf.com enter PROMO code SHADOWS50 for 50% off! Sponsor : GreenChef.us/ShadowsSponsor : NativeDeodorant.com PROMO code SHADOWSSponsor : Shadows.Robinhood.comSponsor : Betterhelp.com/ShadowsYou can find our show and ALL episodes by smartphone app 'Himalaya' - search for it in the Google Play store or iTunes store then follow us! Checkout our website : Shadowspod.com For information regarding your data privacy, visit acast.com/privacy
Shane and Gemma sit down in Gemma's kitchen to discuss the entirety of the timeline surrounding Sister Cathy's case. From the life and death of Fr Maskell, to the time leading and after Cathy's disappearance - we hope this episode will let you know a clearer picture of the sequence of events. This is part 2 of the conversation.Join Gemma Hoskins and Shane Waters as they continue the conversation that Netflix's Docu-Series "The Keepers" shared with the world in 2017. Although Gemma and many people you hear from were featured in the Docu-Series; This production is not affiliated with Netflix. Join us for discussion on our facebook group 'Out of the Shadows Discussion Group' - you can submit questions or topics you'd like us to explore by joining this group or emailing us (Shane@ShadowsPod.com)Support our show on Patreon by going to Patreon.com/theshadowspodOne-Time Donations can be made via Paypal to Shane@Shadowspod.comTwitter:​ @theshadowspodGoFundMe for Survivors : https://www.gofundme.com/5au8h7cSponsor : Wix.com enter PROMO code SHADOWS for 10% Premium PlansSponsor : StitchFix.com/Shadows Sponsor : TakeCareOf.com enter PROMO code SHADOWS50 for 50% off! Sponsor : GreenChef.us/ShadowsSponsor : NativeDeodorant.com PROMO code SHADOWSSponsor : Shadows.Robinhood.comSponsor : Betterhelp.com/ShadowsYou can find our show and ALL episodes by smartphone app 'Himalaya' - search for it in the Google Play store or iTunes store then follow us! Checkout our website : Shadowspod.com For information regarding your data privacy, visit acast.com/privacy
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Christopher Band

What a convoluted story.

May 10th
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