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Welcome to Outerblue, a podcast channel to guide professional investors on their financial journey
Four series are available:
Outerblue Convictions: Our monthly market analysis and investment convictions
This series presents our latest analysis of the markets, asset allocation trends and our investment convictions.
Each month, listen to Monica Defend, Head of Amundi Institute, discuss Amundi’s views with Swaha Pattanaik, your host on this podcast.
Outerblue Conversations: Latest insights and discussion on a variety of investment topics
This series discusses topical developments in the world of investment. Listen to expert views on the economic and geopolitical landscape, discover the insights, implications, and analysis as well as market views and asset allocation recommendations.
Outerblue Responsible investment: Responsible investing themes shaping the investment landscape
This podcast explores and explains the latest responsible investment themes.
Listen to experts from Amundi’s responsible investment teams share their insights on the latest environmental trends investors should be watching
Outerblue Talks Research: knowledge sharing on financial research
This podcast takes a closer look at current financial research topics and themes.
Join Swaha Pattanaik, Head of publishing and digital strategy, to learn more about the latest research, the findings and implications from Amundi’s research experts.
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With summer well underway in Europe, many may be on holiday, but this hasn't done anything to slow the newsflow. In particular, announcements from the US are keeping analysts busy. Swaha Pattanaik and Monica Defend, Head of the Amundi Investment Institute, get together to work out what the latest developments mean for the markets and share their investment views for growth, inflation and asset valuations. With a new US budget agreement and continued threat of new tariffs we debate their impact, both realised and potential, on growth and inflation in the US and elsewhere. The independence of central bank decision-making has also been a big topic of the month as the Fed has been facing continued political pressure over its interest rate decisions, which is rattling US assets. What might be the consequences for the US dollar and US treasuries? Finally, we look at whether this earnings season is offering any early warning signs of things to come and we drill down into our investment views and outlook for the main asset classes and markets. Topics covered: investment views, markets, macroeconomics, central banks, Fed, growth, inflation, interest rates, tariffs, US budget, US dollar, US treasuries, fiscal policy, monetary policy, economic forecasts, emerging markets, Asia, equities, fixed income, credit, earnings, Hosted by Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.
The first six months of 2025 brought many unexpected events and shocks that rocked financial markets and complicated the task of economic forecasters. As we enter the second half of the year, what has changed and what might this mean for the economic outlook for the rest of 2025?Swaha Pattanaik sits down with Monica Defend, Head of the Amundi Investment Institute, to get her view on the growth and monetary policy outlook for the remainder of 2025. They discuss the impact of tariffs and geopolitical shifts on growth prospects in the US, China and beyond. They consider which areas might benefit from a weaker US dollar and where yield curves might be heading next. Finally, they examine the areas of resilience in the markets that could still offer opportunities to investors. Topics covered: Investment outlook, macroeconomics, forecasts, monetary policy, growth, interest rates, yield curves, bonds, equities, emerging markets, US dollar, China, US, Europe, Fed, debt, valuations, stock market, tariffs, geopolitics, volatility, AI, defence, Hosted by Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.
Join our host, Swaha Pattanaik, as she sits down for her regular catch-up with Monica Defend, Head of the Amundi Investment Institute, to give our perspective on the markets, analyse the trends and share our investment views for the weeks ahead. In this month's review, we discuss what's been driving the rise in yields on longer maturity US and Japanese bonds in recent weeks. Do we expect this trend to continue and what does this mean for fixed income markets more broadly? We also consider the outlook for inflation and monetary policy in the major economies around the globe, look more closely at the US market in particular, and examine how the uncertainty around tariffs has been impacting the equity markets. Finally, we drill down into the areas and asset classes that could be most appealing to investors, across developed and emerging markets.Topics covered: Investment views, investment convictions, financial markets, macroeconomics, monetary policy, fiscal policy, inflation, growth, interest rates, central banks, fixed income, yields, US, Japan, equities, bonds, emerging markets, tariffsHosted by Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.
The spring meetings in Washington are a useful platform to gauge opinion of policymakers, economists, bankers and investors from around the world. In this latest edition of our monthly investment views podcast, Monica Defend, Head of Amundi Investment Institute, catches up with Swaha Pattanaik on her return from the US to share Amundi’s latest investment views and talk about the mood in Washington, and what this might mean for the markets. They discuss the impacts of US tariffs and the retaliatory measures on the global economic outlook, looking particularly at the consequences for growth and inflation expectations. They also consider what’s next for central bank moves and Amundi's forecasts for interest rates. Finally, they wrap up with the main convictions for some of the major global currencies, as well as the equity markets and some of the big things to watch in emerging markets.Topics covered: Investment views, global outlook, growth, inflation, forecasts, economics, equities, tariffs, US, Europe, emerging markets, Hosted by Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.
Against a backdrop of extraordinary global uncertainty, Amundi's 2025 capital market assumptions report explores the game changers that are shaping investment decisions and asset class return expectations. Join Giulio Lombardo as he speaks to Monica Defend, Head of the Amundi Investment Institute, and John O’Toole, Head of Multi-Asset Investment Solutions, to discover this year's main findings and what's changed since last year. Identifying three major themes for this year, Amundi's 2025 capital market assumptions takes a closer look at new socio-economic scenarios with their higher geopolitical fragmentation and tariffs, it explores the impact of a delayed transition to net zero, and assesses the impact of artificial intelligence at a regional level. We dig deeper into these big transformative trends, including the macroeconomic and technological shifts, more frequent extreme climate events, and a slow transition, and look at how they are impacting our expectations for long-term returns for different asset classes globally. We also analyse how they're affecting long-term projections for growth and inflation. Finally, we look at how these developments may drive investment opportunities, particularly in Europe, and how investors can adjust their strategic asset allocation to incorporate these return expectations in their portfolios. Topics covered: markets, investment, economic, finance, capital market assumptions, return expectations, forecasts, trade, inflation, growth, GDP, central banks, Europe, tariffs, portfolios, asset allocation, equities, fixed income, emerging markets, real assetsHosted by Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.
In the fifth and last episode of our series on Shareholder Stewardship, Caroline Le Meaux, Global Head of ESG Research, Engagement, and Voting, and Edouard Dubois, Head of Proxy Voting, engage in a dynamic conversation on voting at annual general assemblies and how it is most effective when coupled with engagement with companies. Dialoguing with companies is very important in the voting activity: it can lead to improvements in companies strategies before or after the AGM has taken place. This episode will explore what proxy voting is, and why it is important in an overall stewardship strategy of an asset manager. Many themes will be touched upon, including board compensation, Say on Climate resolutions, and filing shareholder resolutions to accelerate improvements in the climate strategy.Hosted by Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.
The market roller coaster continues. After riding a wave of optimism in Europe in the wake of the German fiscal bazooka to increase defense spending, the confirmation of US tariffs sent markets suddenly plunging. What will be the economic impact of Trump’s approach to trade and tariffs? Swaha Pattanaik and Monica Defend, Head of the Amundi Investment Institute, sit down for a special edition of Outerblue Talks Research to discuss the latest market and economic developments and what these mean for investors. We untangle some of the consequences and probable reactions, in the short, medium, and longer term. What will be the impacts on supply chains? How will GDP growth and inflation be impacted? Will we see a recession in the US and what will be reactions from the Federal Reserve and the European Central Bank? Finally, we detail some of our main calls for investors looking to increase portfolio resilience in this uncertain market environment.Topics covered: markets, investment, economic, finance, volatility, tariffs, trade, inflation, growth, GDP, central banks, US, Europe, Trump, portfoliosHosted by Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.
In the fourth episode of our five-part series on Shareholder Stewardship, Esther Law, Senior Investment Manager, Emerging Markets Debt and Responsible Investing Lead, and Luda Svystunova, Head of Social Research, engage in a dynamic conversation on shareholder engagement on social cohesion - linking human capital and human rights engagements to responsible investors financial considerations, as well as client and societal responsibilities of issuers. The engagement agenda on social issues continues to expand as new challenges and opportunities for companies and investors emerge in response to societal, regulatory and technological shifts. In this episode, the discussion centers on Amundi’s stewardship on social issues, the materiality and interlinkages between human capital and human rights, as well as their relationship to climate. Additionally, it also focuses on the impact that technology, especially artificial intelligence, is having on the companies’ responsible conduct agenda and how this is factored into our engagement process. Hosted by Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.
In this month's review of the latest developments on the global economy and in financial markets, we focus on the seismic shifts that have been happening in Europe in the past few weeks, in particular, the historic spending package approved by the German parliament. Swaha Pattanaik and Monica Defend, Head of Amundi Investment Institute, catch-up to discuss the remarkable change in policy, and its implications for Germany and the wider Eurozone. Will the rally in European markets continue and what opportunities does this open up on the equity and fixed income markets? The episode continues by examining the monetary policy outlook in Europe and how this compares to the projections for US growth. Finally, we look at whether the Chinese stimulus package announcement has changed our view on the economic and market outlook for China. This month's topics: Germany, Europe, Defense spending, Markets, Growth, Inflation, Equity, Fixed income, US, China, Monetary policy, Interest rates Hosted by Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.
Less than 2 months back in the White House, US president Donald Trump has packed in a great deal; Shifts in policy, tariffs, federal employment, not to mention a huge change in approach to foreign policy. This month, Swaha Pattanaik sits down with Jonathan Duensing, Head of Fixed Income at Amundi US, and Mahmood Pradhan, Head of Global Macro with the Amundi Investment Institute, to try to guide us through the present uncertainty in the markets. They examine how these different issues have been affecting the US economy as a whole, and fixed income markets in particular and explore where investors can find the best opportunities at the moment. How long will the current pain last, and when and where will the promised gains be realised? They discuss the extent to which the roadmap given during the election campaign has changed and how this is impacting market growth. Will Trump succeed in reducing government spending and what challenges will he face? They finish by drawing on their wealth of experience in previous crises to give their view on whether the current crisis is any differentand what it might mean for fixed income investors.Topics: Fixed income ▪ Markets ▪ Bonds ▪ Investment ▪ Finance ▪ Research ▪ US economy ▪ Tariffs ▪ Trade ▪ Analysis ▪ Growth Hosted by Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.
In the third episode of our five-part series on Shareholder Stewardship, Molly Minton and Julien Foll, both Senior Analysts and Co-leads on Nature at Amundi, engage in a dynamic conversation on shareholder engagement on biodiversity - linking nature-related engagements to the financial considerations of responsible investment. More than half of the world’s GDP depends on natural resources and pressures on biodiversity and ecosystems present acute risks for investors and society at large. This episode will explore how Amundi uses the framework of the planetary boundaries as a tool to identify key engagement priorities around nature to encourage corporates to better address nature related impacts and risks within responsible investment while also capturing new business opportunities.Topics: Responsible investment ▪ ESG ▪ Stewardship ▪ Engagement ▪ Nature ▪ Biodiversity ▪ Natural Resources ▪ Research ▪ Investment insights ▪ Corporate responsibility Hosted by Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.
Our monthly podcast providing our latest investment views and market analysis. After an eventful month trying to keep up with the breaking news, not least the debut of new AI model Deepseek, concerns over Trump’s tariff proposals, and European security concerns, Swaha Pattanaik and Monica Defend, Head of Amundi Investment Institute, sit down to reflect on what all these events mean for the markets. Find out what is driving the equity and fixed income markets and whether we can expect the current gold rush to continue. What were the outcomes of the Munich Security Conference? Have tariffs impacted China’s growth prospects? Where is the US dollar likely to go next? This jam-packed episode takes a look at all the major market events of the month and how these impact our investment views.This month's topics: Investment views ▪ Market analysis ▪ Equity ▪ Fixed income ▪ emerging markets ▪ Trump ▪ Tariffs ▪ Gold ▪ China ▪ currency Hosted by Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.
Each year, Amundi and CREATE interview pension plans to highlight topics shaping the pension ecosystem. As pension investors transition to a new regime, this year, one question is at the top of everyone’s minds: where will the returns come from? The 2024 survey takes a closer look at two of the potential answers in this search for good risk-adjusted returns: private markets and Asian emerging markets. Sofia Santarsiero, Head of Institutional Business Solutions & Innovation, talks to Professor Amin Rajan, CEO of CREATE Research, the co-author of the report, to find out more about how and why pension funds’ attitudes to these two asset classes are changing. They discuss the preferred ways for pension funds to invest and what has been driving, or constraining, allocations.Topics: Pensions ▪ Retirement ▪ Private markets ▪ Private assets ▪ Emerging markets ▪ Asia ▪ Market analysis ▪ Research ▪ Finance ▪ surveyHosted by Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.
In the second episode of our five-part series on Shareholder Stewardship, Aaron McDougall, Head of Climate & Ciaran Callaghan, Head of European Equity Research engage in a dynamic conversation on shareholder engagement on climate - linking climate engagements to responsible investors financial considerations. They also discuss Amundi’s commitment to playing its part in achieving the objectives of the Paris Agreement, by helping clients willing to take climate risks and opportunities into account within their investments. They emphasize how Amundi engages with issuers to together achieve a pragmatic transition for the decarbonization of supply chains, products & portfolios, balancing the imperatives of both climate and investors. Finally, they explore best practices in climate engagements and voting, drawing on real-world case studies from Amundi’s interactions with issuers.Podcast topics: Responsible investment ▪ Climate ▪ Engagement ▪ Equity ▪ Investor ▪ Energy transition ▪ Supply chains ▪ portfolio Hosted by Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.
2025 got off to a dramatic start with an unexpected jump in bond yields. What has been driving this move and do we expect it to continue? Swaha Pattanaik and Monica Defend, Head of Amundi Investment Institute, share their investment views and explain what’s been happening in the US and UK and explore what these mean for our growth and interest rate forecasts. We also look closer at what potential policy shifts from incoming US President Trump, and the associated international response, could mean for the markets.Topics of this episode: Investment views ▪ Market analysis ▪ Fixed income ▪ Bonds ▪ US ▪ UK ▪ economy ▪ Growth ▪ Interest rates ▪ ForecastHosted by Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.
After a campaign full of twists and turns, November saw the re-election of Donald Trump for a second term as US president. In this edition, we take a look at the geopolitical and economic ramifications of a new Trump presidency. Swaha Pattanaik sat down at the end of November with Anna Rosenberg, Head of Geopolitics at the Amundi Investment Institute and Paresh Upadhyaya, Director of Fixed Income and Currency Strategies, Amundi US, to discuss what lies ahead for the USA and the rest of the world. Beyond the attention grabbing threats of tariffs, what are the realistic expectations for trade policy and how is China likely to react? How might Trump’s second term differ from his first and what clues can we gain from his cabinet and staff appointments? Our experts examine these questions and what this might mean for the US economy in terms of inflation and interest rates and where we might expect surprises.Hosted by Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.
In the past few weeks, economists have been busy writing their predications for what might lie ahead of us in the next 12 months. This year, the task was made harder by the US elections, the strong chance of a shift in policy, and the potential spill over to other regions. Swaha Pattanaik and Monica Defend, Head of Amundi Investment Institute, discuss what has been happening in the markets as they ride the “Trump wave”, and whether we can expect this to continue. What will be the consequences for Europe and China if a new round of tariffs are implemented, and are we going to see a return to the currencies wars of 2010?Hosted by Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.
This episode returns to the topic of artificial intelligence. Since we last covered this topic earlier in the year, there have been even more advances in what generative AI can do and ever increasing interest in how AI can be used across the corporate value chain. Swaha Pattanaik is joined by Ben Lucas, Chief Executive Officer of Amundi Technology, to talk all about how AI has been shaking up the corporate landscape. They dig into whether there’s been a shift in sentiment towards AI, particularly on how long it will take to see return on investment. They also discuss the impacts across society from us as individuals right up to the role of governments. What are the risks to consider and the geopolitical challenges? To conclude, they look at what we should expect in the next wave of developments.Hosted by Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.
Stewardship activities, like engagement and voting, are increasingly seen as effective tools for promoting corporate accountability, enhancing long-term value, and driving sustainability.In the first episode of our engaging five-part series on Shareholder Stewardship, Caroline Le Meaux, Global Head of ESG Research, Engagement, and Voting, and Andriy Boychuk, Head of EM Research, delve into the crucial role of shareholder stewardship in advancing corporate sustainability through proactive engagement with issuers and responsible voting at annual general meetings. They provide a comprehensive understanding of why active stewardship is essential for ensuring long-term resilience and sustainable returns.Additionally, they also share best practices by highlighting real-world case studies from interactions with issuers and review the outcomes of Amundi’s 2023 engagement and voting season.Hosted by Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.
After many months of build-up and speculation, the 2024 US election is almost here. Over the past few weeks, financial markets have become increasingly focused on the candidate’s platforms and what these might imply for the economy and markets. How could markets react to Trump and Harris’ different proposals on taxation, trade and immigration? Swaha Pattanaik and Monica Defend, Head of Amundi Investment Institute, sit down for their regular catch-up and examine the different policies, how these are driving markets and what investors should look out for once the winner is announced. Further afield, this edition also considers the different impacts the US election results may have on the rest of the world, particularly China, especially if the new president announces a new wave of tariffs. Will China’s recent policy shift committing to fiscal and monetary stimulus reverse their economic slowdown and how will this play out in the markets?Hosted by Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.
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