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Powered by Rockbourne, the central intention of this podcast is to share the stories, views, opinions, and career journeys of the movers, shakers, innovators, and leaders in the real estate investment management industry.
Whether you are an existing real estate professional, aspiring to break into the space, or just want to know more about this fascinating sector this podcast is for you.
New episodes of The People Property Place Podcast will be released regularly and you will be able to find them for free on Apple, Spotify, YouTube, or any App that supports podcasts.
Oh, and one last thing - in every episode, I will be asking each guest who are the People, what Property, and which Place they would be looking to invest, should they have £500m at their disposal.
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Whether you are an existing real estate professional, aspiring to break into the space, or just want to know more about this fascinating sector this podcast is for you.
New episodes of The People Property Place Podcast will be released regularly and you will be able to find them for free on Apple, Spotify, YouTube, or any App that supports podcasts.
Oh, and one last thing - in every episode, I will be asking each guest who are the People, what Property, and which Place they would be looking to invest, should they have £500m at their disposal.
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Elmar Schoonbrood was appointed Co-CEO of Multi Corporation in January 2022. He brings nearly two decades of experience in European real estate and debt markets. Prior to this, he served as Managing Director at Blackstone and has previously held roles at Oaktree Capital Management and Morgan Stanley. He holds an MA in Real Estate and a BA in Business Administration. I sat down with Elmar to discuss a broad range of subjects which covered some of the following topics: * How he got into real estate & early career moves * Navigating the intersection of e-commerce and traditional retail * Harnessing Data & AI for to create forward predicting decision making * Acquiring and revitalising Multi * Strategies for building and leading high-performing teams * Crafting a compelling vision and tracking progress with the team * Enhancing operational efficiencies for sustained growth * Driving value from the portfolio through development work * Personal sacrifices involved in establishing a business * Managing a €5bn real estate portfolio effectively Oh and one last question - who are the People, what Property, and in which Place Elmar would invest should he have £500m of capital at his disposal. Catch the full episode which will be live on Youtube, Spotify and Apple NOW! The People Property Place Podcast ?? is powered by Rockbourne - the team recruit Leadership & Future Leadership hires for Real Estate Funds, Owners, Investors & Developers. Who do you want to see on the Podcast?
Duncan Garrood, CEO of Empiric Student Property, a FTSE 250 company with a portfolio valued at over £1 billion, delivering premium accommodation to students across the UK. Duncan has a proven track record in transforming companies and driving customer-centric success. He’s led teams across various industries, including retail, pubs, hospitality, food and entertainment, always with a focus on delivering exceptional customer experiences and fostering motivated, high-performing teams. I sat down with Duncan to discuss a broad range of subjects which covered some of the following topics: * Career Foundations – The early experiences that shaped his leadership style. * Scaling Global Brands – His insights from taking brands international. * Turning Around Struggling Companies – The strategies behind reviving underperforming businesses. * Proving Doubters Wrong – His approach to overcoming challenges and silencing critics. * Navigating Complex Legislation – How he adapts strategies to meet government regulations. * Operational Excellence – Driving efficiencies in student accommodation cluster management. * What It Means to Be Truly Customer-Centric – Redefining customer-centricity in real estate. * Investing in Innovative Assets – Comparing cookie-cutter accommodations with boutique, character-driven designs. * UK Student Accommodation – Understanding supply vs. demand and market segmentation. Oh and one last question - who are the People, what Property, and in which Place Duncan would invest should he have £500m of capital at his disposal. Catch the full episode which will be live on Youtube, Spotify and Apple NOW! The People Property Place Podcast 🎙️ is powered by Rockbourne - the team recruit Leadership & Future Leadership hires for Real Estate Funds, Owners, Investors & Developers. Who do you want to see on the Podcast? This podcast was recorded just before ESP held a successful 10% equity raise, to fuel the growth that Duncan refers to in the interview. #peoplepropertyplace #podcast #rockbourne #realestate
Josh Liaw, CEO of Elite UK REIT, brings over 20 years of expertise in real estate fund management, banking, and treasury. Throughout his impressive career, Josh has held key roles at leading institutions such as Citi Bank, Standard Chartered, and Lendlease. His vast experience spans multiple regions, including Singapore, Malaysia, and the UK, where he has successfully invested in and managed a broad array of asset classes. I sat down with Josh to discuss a broad range of subjects which covered some of the following topics: * Early Career Moves – Foundational experience, key moves and skills acquired. * Team Leadership – Managing high-performing teams across regions. * Government-Backed Income – Acquiring assets let to the UK Government. * UK Market Opportunity – Insights on investing in the UK from an international viewpoint. * SGX-Listed UK REIT – The significance of being listed in Singapore while operating in the UK. * ESG application– Integrating environmental, social, and governance principles. * Countercyclical Investment – Navigating market cycles and downturn opportunities. * Personal Sacrifice in the UK – Challenges faced while working abroad. Oh and one last question - who are the People, what Property, and in which Place Josh would invest should he have £500m of capital at his disposal. Catch the full episode which will be live on Youtube, Spotify and Apple NOW! The People Property Place Podcast 🎙️ is powered by Rockbourne - the team recruit Leadership & Future Leadership hires for Real Estate Funds, Owners, Investors & Developers. Who do you want to see on the Podcast? #peoplepropertyplace #podcast #rockbourne #realestate
Prior to Evonite, Paul was head of PATRIZIA’s (formerly Rockspring Property Investment Managers) international discretionary fund management business which had close to €10bn AUM. He was also a member of the firm’s senior leadership group, its real estate Investment Committee and its Fund Review Committee. Leading a team of professionals based in London and Continental Europe, he provided oversight across a number of co-mingled funds, separate accounts and joint ventures. His focus was on markets, strategy formation (including the creation of thematic programmes), equity raising, deployment and overall performance. A significant proportion of his time was devoted to the value-add TransEuropean Fund Series. I sat down with Paul to discuss a broad range of subjects which covered some of the following topics: * Early career journey and foundational experiences * Emphasis on the significance of people, purpose, and alignment * Why the timing is right to launch Evonite now * Complementary skill sets within the partnership * Personal sacrifices and challenges of launching the business * Evonite’s unique selling propositions and differentiators * Returning to fundamental principles and strategies * True alignment with LP’s * Is there a gap for smaller fund series * Key market trends Oh and one last question - who are the People, what Property, and in which Place Paul would invest should he have £500m of capital at his disposal. Catch the full episode which will be live on Youtube, Spotify and Apple NOW! The People Property Place Podcast 🎙️ Podcast 🎙 is powered by Rockbourne - the team recruit Leadership & Future Leadership hires for Real Estate Funds, Owners, Investors & Developers. Who do you want to see on the Podcast? hashtag#peoplepropertyplace hashtag#podcast hashtag#rockbourne hashtag#realestate
Linus has been instrumental in leading the transformation of Trinova from a boutique UK office investment firm into a highly successful multi-sector investment management company with over £1.1 billion in assets. With 13 years at the helm of Trinova, Linus brings deep expertise in business operations, investor relations, and equity capital. His career includes roles at CBRE Global Investors, Fitch Ratings and CBRE. He has worked across European markets and has built a distinguished track record. I sat down with Linus to discuss a broad range of subjects which covered some of the following topics: * Journey into real estate and early career influences * Key lessons and growth from initial career steps * How youthful energy and naivety played a role in launching a business * Strategies for minimising risk and maximising upside * The story behind the name "Trinova" * Which to prioritise: investment thesis or capital? * Building a residential real estate platform * Trinova’s expansion into European and U.S. markets * Key advice for entrepreneurs starting businesses today * How Theresa May’s dancing spooked international investors Oh and one last question - who are the People, what Property, and in which Place Linus would invest should he have £500m of capital at his disposal. Catch the full episode which will be live on Youtube, Spotify and Apple NOW! The People Property Place Podcast 🎙️ Podcast 🎙 is powered by Rockbourne - the team recruit Leadership & Future Leadership hires for Real Estate Funds, Owners, Investors & Developers. Who do you want to see on the Podcast? #peoplepropertyplace #podcast #rockbourne #realestate
David Bateman, a highly experienced real estate professional with over two decades in the industry, previously served as Chief Investment Officer at Primary Health Properties (PHP). During his time at PHP, he oversaw substantial growth, including the expansion of the portfolio to over £3 billion and led PHP’s entry into the Irish market. David's expertise spans operational real estate, long-income strategies, and the healthcare sector. In this episode, David discusses: His path into real estate, transitioning from a background in economics. Navigating career challenges, including the Global Financial Crisis (GFC), and how he successfully pivoted during this turbulent time. The operational real estate sector, with a focus on logistics and healthcare. Key lessons from managing PHP’s portfolio expansion, particularly in Ireland. The growing importance of ESG and its impact on the real estate market. Strategic decision-making, balancing risk and opportunity in property investment. Tune in to hear David's fascinating journey and his insights on the future of real estate. Catch the full episode now on YouTube, Spotify, and Apple Podcasts! 🎙 The People Property Place Podcast is powered by Rockbourne, the team specialising in Leadership & Future Leadership hires for Real Estate Funds, Owners, Investors, and Developers.
People Property Place Podcast – James Markby Founder of Logistics Capital Partners Logistics Capital Partners is a leading pan European Developer & Asset Manager specalising in Logistics Real Estate across Europe. With offices in London, Belgium, Italy, The Netherlands, Spain, France and Luxembourg, the group operates across the UK and Continental Europe, with approximately €1 billion of investments assets under management and an additional €2 billion of development pipeline. James has over 20 years real estate investment experience, is a qualified member of the Royal Institution of Charter Surveyors and has an BSc Honours Degree in Investment and Finance in Real Estate, from Reading University. I sat down with James to discuss a broad range of subjects which covered some of the following topics: * The journey into real estate and early career progression at CBRE. * Transitioning from advisor to developer and lessons learned. * Recollections from LCP’s 1st & 2nd deals * The upcoming challenges of the debt/refinancing wall. * Personal sacrifices involved in building the business from the ground up. * The crucial role of timing and market assessment in decision-making. * Launching LCP IM: Why now is the perfect moment to launch their investment management arm. * Overcoming obstacles in scaling and expanding across Europe. * Why LP’s are the greatest risk in real estate development. * Building a £200m balance sheet in under a decade. * Vision for the future growth of Logistics Capital Partners. Oh and one last question - who are the People, what Property, and in which Place James would invest should he have £500m of capital at his disposal. Catch the full episode which will be live on Youtube, Spotify and Apple NOW! The People Property Place Podcast 🎙️ is powered by Rockbourne - the team recruit Leadership & Future Leadership hires for Real Estate Funds, Owners, Investors & Developers. #peoplepropertyplace #podcast #rockbourne #realestate
CBRE Investment Management is a leading real assets firm who have some $140+ Bn under management, over 1000 team members and over 30 offices worldwide. Louisa started her career at King Sturge now, JLL, and has worked at CBRE Global Investors, Cherwell District Council, and Cadogan before joining CBRE Investment Management as a Director. I sat down with Louisa to discuss a broad range of subjects which covered some of the following topics: * How she got started in real estate * Early career moves * Exciting market opportunities to watch * Key advice for those starting out in real estate * The evolution of asset management * The resurgence of retail * Balancing income with value creation * Placemaking - building communities * E-commerce & Physical Space - Finding the perfect balance * ESG Considerations Oh and one last question - who are the People, what Property, and in which Place Louisa would invest should she have £500m of capital at her disposal. Catch the full episode which will be live on Youtube, Spotify and Apple NOW! The People Property Place Podcast 🎙 is powered by Rockbourne - the team recruit Leadership & Future Leadership hires for Real Estate Funds, Owners, Investors & Developers. Who do you want to see on the Podcast? #peoplepropertyplace #podcast #rockbourne #realestate
Hannah oversees one of London's most prestigious estates, dating back to the 1700s, expertly balancing its historic legacy with the demands of modern urban life. Hannah started her career in real estate valuation and has gained extensive experience in property and asset management, working both on the advisory and principal side. I sat down with Hannah to discuss a broad range of subjects which covered some of the following topics: * Early career moves * Transition from advisor to principal * etail Pop-Ups * How the pandemic impacted the estate * Placemaking, tenant mix and curation * Residential, Leisure, F&B, Retail management * Balancing heritage & sustainability Oh and one last question - who are the People, what Property, and in which Place Hannah would invest should she have £500m of capital at her disposal. Catch the full episode which will be live on Youtube, Spotify and Apple NOW! The People Property Place Podcast 🎙 is powered by Rockbourne - the team recruit Leadership & Future Leadership hires for Real Estate Funds, Owners, Investors & Developers. Who do you want to see on the Podcast?
From Labourer, Manager, Innovator, Developer, to a 13-year stint at Blackstone as an Investor, James has moved to Founding Partner & Owner of Rotation Real Estate. Rotation is an entrepreneurial, creative and enterprising investment manager, driven by passion, ethics and profit to identify and reimagine the real estate of tomorrow. I sat down with James to discuss a broad range of subjects which covered some of the following topics: * How he got into real estate * Early career moves * Lessons learnt from working at Blackstone * Transition from corporate leadership to entrepreneurship * Building a high-performance team * Vision for the future * Opportunities in the market Oh and one last question - who are the People, what Property, and in which Place James would invest should he have £500m of capital at his disposal. Catch the full episode which will be live on Youtube, Spotify and Apple NOW! The People Property Place Podcast 🎙 is powered by Rockbourne - the team recruit Leadership & Future Leadership hires for Real Estate Funds, Owners, Investors & Developers. Who do you want to see on the Podcast? #peoplepropertyplace #podcast #rockbourne #realestate
Bradley is one of the industry’s top deal makers and has traded over £3.7bn worth of UK real estate across all commercial and residential sectors. He boasts an enviable client book of Global Institutional Investors, UK & Overseas Property Companies, Private Equity Houses and both Global and domestic UHNW investors. I sat down with Bradley to discuss a broad range of subjects which covered some of the following topics: How he got into real estate * His first deal * Favourite deal * What makes a good agent * Dealing with UHNWI * AI and tech impact on agents * Opportunities in the market Oh and one last question - who are the People, what Property, and in which Place Bradley would invest should he have £500m of equity at his disposal. Catch the full episode which will be live on Youtube, Spotify and Apple NOW! The People Property Place Podcast 🎙️ is powered by Rockbourne - the team recruit Leadership & Future Leadership hires for Real Estate Funds, Owners, Investors & Developers. Who do you want to see on the Podcast? #peoplepropertyplace #podcast #rockbourne #realestate
Octopus Real Estate is a specialist investor, developer and lender with a keen focus on the living and healthcare sectors. Under Ed’s leadership, Octopus Real Estate oversees a staggering £3.7 billion worth of assets, for both institutional and retail clients. Ed joined Octopus in 2017 and previously led the Care Homes and Corporate Development teams. Prior to joining Octopus, he was a lawyer with international law firm Allen & Overy and he holds a BA in Economics from Durham University and an MBA from the University of Cambridge’s Judge Business School. I sat down with Ed to discuss a broad range of subjects which covered some of the following topics: * Early career moves * How he got into real estate * European expansion plans * Fundraising & structures * Building a high-performing team * Care homes, Retirement, Affordable & lending * Ambition to grow Octopus AUM from £13bn to £50bn by 2030 Oh and one last question - who are the People, what Property, and in which Place Ed would invest should he have £500m of equity at his disposal. Catch the full episode which will be live on Youtube, Spotify and Apple NOW! The People Property Place Podcast 🎙️ is powered by Rockbourne - the team recruit Leadership & Future Leadership hires for Real Estate Funds, Owners, Investors & Developers. Who do you want to see on the Podcast? #peoplepropertyplace #podcast #rockbourne #realestate
With over two decades of advisory and investment experience Nadine co-founded Zenzic Capital in 2013 with Tom Lloyd-Jones to provide a range of structured financing solutions across the UK and Europe for single-site and platform level funding covering acquisition, development and opportunistic scenarios. The team have financed over £1.25bn of real estate and asset-backed transactions across the alternative sub-sectors including logistics, PBSA, BTR, hotels and leisure. Prior to founding Zenzic, Nadine held insolvency and transaction advisory roles at Horwath Clarke Whitehill, RSM Tenon and Baker Tilly. I sat down with Nadine to discuss a broad range of subjects which covered some of the following topics: * Early career moves * How she got into real estate * Zenzic Capital’s evolution * Personal cost / risk of setting up a business * Building a high performing team * Raising Capital * Opportunities in the market * Juggling CEO & home life Oh, and one last question - who are the People, what Property, and in which Place Nadine would invest should she have £500m of equity at her disposal. Catch the full episode which is live on Spotify, Apple & YouTube. The People Property Place Podcast 🎙️ is powered by Rockbourne - the team recruit Leadership & Future Leadership hires for Real Estate Funds, Owners, Investors & Developers. #peoplepropertyplace #podcast #rockbourne #realestate
Prologis is the global leader in logistics real estate with a focus on high-barrier, high-growth markets. As of 30th June 2024, the company owned or had investments in, properties and development projects expected to total approximately 1.2 billion square feet in 19 countries, with approximately 6,700 customers. Paul has worked in the UK industrial and logistics sector for 30 years and began his career in industrial agency at JLL before working with Gazeley (now GLP) and Brixton plc (now part of SEGRO), joining Prologis in 2003. Together with the Executive Team, Paul is responsible for setting the strategic direction for the UK business and works closely with the European and Global leadership teams. I sat down with Paul to discuss a broad range of subjects which covered some of the following topics: * How he got into real estate * Early career moves + lessons * Seeking forgiveness rather than permission * Learning from your mistakes * Entrepreneurial spirit * Collaboration with Francis Bourgeois * Current market dynamics * Importance of your network * Data * The transition from day job to leader Oh, and one last question - who are the People, what Property, and in which Place Paul would invest should he have £500m of equity at his disposal. Catch the full episode which is live on Spotify, Apple & YouTube. The People Property Place Podcast 🎙️ is powered by Rockbourne - the team recruit Leadership & Future Leadership hires for Real Estate Funds, Owners, Investors & Developers. #peoplepropertyplace #podcast #rockbourne #realestate
Fiera Real Estate UK is wholly owned by Fiera Capital Corporation, a leading independent global asset management firm with more than USD121 billion of AUM as at 31st March 2023. Jess is responsible for leading Fiera Capital’s global sustainable investing strategy across private markets, alongside and working closely with asset class specialists in each strategy, to ensure a consistent, purpose-led and proactive approach to ESG considerations. I sat down with Jess to discuss a broad range of subjects which covered some of the following topics: * How she got into real estate * Green hushing + social hushing * Natural Carbon * What traits she looks for when hiring * The anti-ESG movement * Career roles within ESG * Her dream ‘to make her role redundant’ Oh and one last question - who are the People, what Property, and in which Place Jess would invest should she have £500m of equity at her disposal. Catch the full episode which will be live on Youtube, Spotify and Apple from Thursday this week. The People Property Place Podcast 🎙️ is powered by Rockbourne - the team recruit Leadership & Future Leadership hires for Real Estate Funds, Owners, Investors & Developers. Who do you want to see on the Podcast? Link below in the comments to check out the previous episodes👇🏻 #peoplepropertyplace #podcast #rockbourne #realestate
Backed by global asset manager Abrdn - Tritax invest in and manage critical supply chain real assets in the UK and Europe which are aligned with the structural trends shaping the future economy. Chase joined Tritax in 2019 from Avison Young Real Estate Finance, where he was leading the analysis of massive multi-phase developments and property portfolios alike. He has previously held roles at Rabobank International and holds a BSc. In Mathematics and an MSc. In Economics, Finance and Management from the University of Bristol. I sat down with Chase to discuss a broad range of subjects which covered some of the following topics: * Early career moves * How he got into real estate * Still stacking using edX (Harvard & MIT sponsored platform) * Financial modelling & using Python, Power BI, MySQL, Visual Basic, Excel, R * Building forward predicting models & driving better decisions * Attracting, retaining, and empowering talent * Real Estate & Artificial intelligence Oh, and one last question - who are the People, what Property, and in which Place Chase would invest should he have £500m of equity at his disposal. Catch the full episode which is live on Spotify, Apple & YouTube. The People Property Place Podcast 🎙️ is powered by Rockbourne - the team recruit Leadership & Future Leadership hires for Real Estate Funds, Owners, Investors & Developers. www.rockbourne.com #peoplepropertyplace #podcast #rockbourne #realestate
Claire joined Stanhope in September 2018 from Grosvenor Britain & Ireland where she lead the Asset Management team for the Belgravia portfolio. At Stanhope she leads the Asset Management team which is responsible for a portfolio of just under 6 million sq ft and £4bn of assets under management. As well as her day job Claire is also a Mentor for Stanhope-backed initiative Mentoring Circle. I sat down with Claire to discuss a broad range of subjects which covered some of the following topics: * The role of real estate in talent acquisition * Landlords serving occupiers * Shifting from Asset Manager to running a team of Asset Managers * Innovation real estate * The board you can’t afford * Hiring into your team * Complex real estate * Mentoring circle Oh, and one last question - who are the People, what Property, and in which Place Claire would invest should she have £500m of equity at her disposal. Catch the full episode which is live on Spotify, Apple & YouTube. The People Property Place Podcast 🎙️ is powered by Rockbourne - the team recruit Leadership & Future Leadership hires for Real Estate Funds, Owners, Investors & Developers. This podcast was recorded back in August 2023 and is being re-released. #peoplepropertyplace #podcast #rockbourne #realestate www.rockbourne.com Podcast produced and edited by https://mattcookproducer.com
Sam has responsibility for all retail, leisure, office and meanwhile components of the live 42 acre £8bn Power Station estate. He joined the business in 2015 and led on the curation of the occupier mix from masterplan inception, delivery of the pre-letting campaign through to public launch in October 2022, taking BPS from a former derelict industrial site to a best in class fully let mixed-use London estate. Prior to joining BPS in 2015 Sam held roles at Cap Co, Henderson Global Investors and started his career at Savills. I sat down with Sam to discuss a broad range of subjects which covered some of the following topics: * How he got into real estate * Early career moves * Space activation * Turning an idea into reality * Tenant mix curation * Placemaking * Competition + attracting occupiers * Importance of Data Oh and one last question - who are the People, what Property, and in which Place Sam would invest should he have £500m of capital at his disposal. Catch the full episode, which is live on Spotify, Apple and Youtube NOW! The People Property Place Podcast 🎙️ is powered by Rockbourne - the team recruit Leadership & Future Leadership hires for Real Estate Funds, Owners, Investors & Developers. Podcast produced and edited by https://mattcookproducer.com #podcast #rockbourne #realestate #peoplepropertyplace
Established in 1999, Patron Capital Partners has evolved into one of the leading opportunistic real estate managers in Europe. To date, it has raised over €5.4bn Euros, and has undertaken more than 200 transactions across 106 investments in 17 countries. The Patron organisation includes a 64 person in-house team, with offices in the UK, Spain and Luxembourg. Patron's strategy is to back local partners and management teams in growing their respective business, investing in property, corporate operating entities, credit related businesses and debt related instruments, whose value is primarily supported by property assets. Keith started his career at Lehman Brothers in New York, and is a graduate of NYU, and The University of Chicago Booth School of Business. I sat down with Keith to discuss a broad range of subjects which covered some of the following topics: * How he got into real estate * Early career moves * How & why he set up Patron * Creating alignment between LP’s, Patron team & local operating partners * Current market challenges & opportunities * Raising €860m for Fund VII * Impact of the election * Has his definition of success changed * Why he does so much charity work Oh and one last question - who are the People, what Property, and in which Place Keith would invest should he have £500m of capital at his disposal. Catch the full episode, which is live on Spotify, Apple and Youtube NOW! The People Property Place Podcast 🎙️is powered by Rockbourne - the team recruit Leadership & Future Leadership hires for Real Estate Funds, Owners, Investors & Developers. #podcast #rockbourne #realestate #peoplepropertyplace Podcast produced and edited by Matt Cook at https://mattcookproducer.com
At Birchgrove Honor and her team believe that renting instead of owning a home is the most liberating form of tenure and allows their residents to retain their independence without the burdens of homeownership. Birchgrove, backed by Bridges Fund Management they operate a portfolio of assisted living developments with contemporary apartments for rent in brand-new, purpose-built facilities within and around the M25. Honor has had a previous career in the television, broadcasting, production, and media world, before moving into the real estate space as a second career. I sat down with Honor to discuss a broad range of subjects which covered some of the following topics: * Building a global media business and selling to private equity * Transitioning to real estate as a second career * Assisted living occupier avatar * Desire for more competition in the assisted living space * Building a team & traits she looks for * Getting shit done * Is a Labour Government good for Birchgrove? * Intergenerational living * Targeting a 2x and 20% return Oh and one last question - who are the People, what Property, and in which Place Honor would invest should she have £500m of capital at her disposal. Catch the full episode, which is live on Spotify, Apple and Youtube NOW! The People Property Place Podcast 🎙is powered by Rockbourne - the team recruit Leadership & Future Leadership hires for Real Estate Funds, Owners, Investors & Developers. #podcast #rockbourne #realestate #privateequity #peoplepropertyplace #investmentmanagement
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