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Author: Hazel Darwin-Clements and Chimzy Dorey

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We're exploring International Partnerships by having People to People conversations. As a Scot and a Malawian, we're particularly looking at the friendship between Scotland and Malawi. We chat about climate justice, gender, equality, COVID, privilege, history, farming and the future, oh... and MANGOES! Everyone wants to tell us how good Mangoes taste in Malawi. An important and complicated conversation filled with laughter, respect and warm-hearted love.

How can you have an equal partnership when one country is so rich and the other is so poor? If we recognise our privilege- what happens next? What does Restorative Climate Justice actually mean? Can you really grow all your family needs in a quarter acre? How has the pandemic changed our partnerships? How can friendship help protect the Lillian's Lovebird?

We want to include as many people as possible in the conversation.
Email: peopletopeoplepod@gmail.com
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**Hosted and produced by Chimzy Dorey and Hazel Darwin-Clements**
Supported by the Scotland Malawi Partnership.
25 Episodes
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In this episode Professor Tracy Morse and Dr. Effie Chipeta join Chimzy and Hazel for a conversation about their partnership project which looks at mental health and wellbeing in adolescents in Malawi with the University of Strathclyde. They’ve also both worked in sexual and reproductive health and we touch on that.You can hear from the start that it’s a really special partnership rooted in a people to people connection and mutual learning.This podcast is supported by the Scotland Malawi Partnership.
This is Part 2 of a conversation that we had Maria Chiponde and Florisa De Leo Magambi. Florisa is handing over the Kibebe organisation to Maria, and we heard about that in part one. But we had to also publish some of the other compelling conversation that we had about the refugee community in Malawi. Chimzy and Hazel were both quite moved to hear about it and we'd love to know what you think. Warning: themes of sexual violence and child loss. https://inuaadvocacy.org/https://www.oneworldshop.co.uk/shop/?filtering=1&filter_product_brand=16951  https://kkids.sumupstore.com/products
Hazel and Chimzy chat with Maria Chiponde and Florisa De Leo Magambi from Kibébé. Kibébé in the Swahili dialect used in the Dzaleka refugee camp where they work means a big fat healthy baby. This episode captures an amazing moment in the organisation's history as Florisa passes over the leadership of the organisation to Maria. This episode features a beautiful song by Peter Mawanga.Link to the One World Shop in Edinburghhttps://www.oneworldshop.co.uk/shop/?filtering=1&filter_product_brand=16951  Link to the Kibébé online shophttps://kkids.sumupstore.com/productsLink to Inua Advocacyhttps://inuaadvocacy.org/Link to Peter Mawanga on bandcamphttps://petermawanga.bandcamp.com/track/nkhani-2
In the latest people-to-people podcast, Malawian wildlife biologist and aquatic ecologist Simon Munthali shares some of the highlights of his fascinating 43 years working in conservation. As well as having operated in multiple African countries, Simon is a co-founding member of the Southern African Foundation for Agriculture and Climate Change (SAFFACC). We are also joined by Social Entrepreneur and Network Builder, Karen Kumakanga who brings to life her memories of the Nature Sanctuary in Lilongwe. We talk about mixing conservation and tourism and diving in Lake Malawi at night.Sometimes we have partnerships that are well established and on this occasion we have someone looking for partnership.
Our guests on this episode are Dr Jeremy Bagg form the University of Glasgow and Dr Mwpatsa Mipando from Kamuzu University. They discuss the partnership central to the MalDent Projecthttps://themaldentproject.com/https://www.facebook.com/moyendaband/You can hear all about successful partnership and find out where that's leading to next in a conversation among friends.
McArthur Matukuta is the Exectutive Director of Solomonic Peacock Theatre in Malawi and Kate Stafford is a theatre director in the UK, who has spent several years making work in Malawi. Hazel and Chimzy want to find out about their connection and what international theatre collaborations could look like between Malawi and Scotland. "We are able to tell our own stories in our own way. Because this is what I saw when I travelled in different countries. Artists are able to tell their stories in their traditional way... it has also helped us telling a story in a Malawian way, but of international standard."Here are some links to the work of Solomonic Peacock:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vByQGKkCSLM&ab_channel=SolomonicPeacockshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0B8R7MMWwqI&ab_channel=SolomonicPeacockshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTlYSlSfbEE&ab_channel=SolomonicPeacockshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nPxe8Ygugc&ab_channel=SolomonicPeacocks It's the only international theatre festival in Malawi and the only festival which is livestreamed on Facebook.https://eastertheatrefestival.org/Pamtondo is a play, telling a story in a particularly malawian way.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QogXUCFhb7o&ab_channel=SolomonicPeacocksHere's a crowdfunder for the Easter Festival: https://gofund.me/70942104And one to support some volunteers to go thereThe Tempest toured the UK in 2017 with a company of 10, 4 from Malawi: Joshua Bhima and Robert Magasa played Ariel; Stanley Mambo played Caliban and Ben Michael Mankhamba was one of the two musician/composers. Caliban’s lines were all in Chichewa with surtitles, and Ariel spoke in English when speaking to Prospero (the Island’s coloniser) and Chichewa when speaking to each other or Caliban. Miranda spoke English with some Chichewa phrases (when speaking to Caliban).https://vimeo.com/797798031
Hazel and Chimzy host a discussion between Scottish farmers Kath and Matthew Aitken and Charles Chavi about farming, bees, fairtrade and resilience. Charles is from the Kasinthula Cane Growers Association in Malawi, he is in the Shire Valley region in the South of Malawi. An association (transitioning into a co-operative) of 762 farmers farming under 1435 hectares, on average 2.5 hectares each.Kath and Matthew live in a small village in Scotland called Dunscore. Kath has recently retired from active farming on Auchengage farm, though as you’ll hear she’s still bee keeping, but she and Matthew now rent their farmland to their neighbours. And Matthew’s interest is in the Fairtrade angle.This episode features music from Pulse of the Place https://www.facebook.com/pulseoftheplace https://youtu.be/SXD6r2VDzMMRed Hot Chilli Pipers and others at the Fairtrade concert:https://ethical.tv/2023/07/02/world-fair-trade-day-with-red-hot-chilli-pipers-shooglenifty-and-presented-by-fair-trade-ambassador-gail-porter/A film featuring Kath and Matthew and the Kasinthula Cane Growers:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gz-h6N5mc3U&t=3sAbout Kasinthula Cane Growers:https://www.trickleout.net/index.php/directoryofenterprises/Malawi_/kasinthula-cane-growers-kcg-sugar-cane-co-operative-malawihttp://www.kasinthula.mw/Farmeramahttps://farmerama.co/landed/Find out more about Fairtrade: https://files.fairtrade.net/standards/Cane_Sugar_SPO_EN.pdfhttps://www.fairtrade.net/act/get-certified#:~:text=If%20you%20are%20a%20brand,you%20may%20become%20a%20licensee.https://www.flocert.net/fairtrade-overview/.https://wfto.com/what-we-do#our-guarantee-system. 
Chimzy and Hazel have a conversation with Richard Bennett and Nohara Chinguwo from the Bhubesi Pride foundation. They discuss the ways that the organisation is changing and has become a Malawian NGO. This series looks at partnerships between Scotland and Malawi and we think this is an interesting example to learn from. They promote sports for development and gender equality. Bhubesi Pride page:https://bpfafrica.org/about-us/meet-the-bpf-team/The featured song is Gold by Twnda from the album African Love Story:https://www.shazam.com/gb/track/612302166/ningenjelwanga-radio-edit
Yonah and Amy part 2

Yonah and Amy part 2

2023-08-0227:38

The second half of a conversation about decolonisation with Dr Yonah Matembe and Amy Blake from the Challenges group (formerly Chief Executive of Classrooms for Malawi.) They discuss Neocolonialism, Afro Colonialism and decolonising ones own self first. An introduction to a huge topic that we hope to explore further in the series.This episode includes the song Tiye Kwathu by Mtameni Kachusa who works for the Malawi Scotland partnership. https://thechallengesgroup.com/https://classroomsformalawi.co.uk/https://www.scotland-malawipartnership.org/events/open-lecture-decolonising-the-curriculum-why-what-and-howhttp://www.malawiscotlandpartnership.org/about-us/our-team/Here's a starting list of decolonisation resources and articles list (please let us know what to add)Reading University Decolonise the Curriculum ResourceDecolonising the University of Bristol blogMMU decolonising the curriculum toolkitTackling Racism is Hard blogBooks:My Grandmother'd Hands: Racialized Trauma and the Pathway to Mending Our Hearts and Bodies by Resmaa Menakem (2021)Living While Black by Candice Carty Williams (2021)Natives: Race and Class in the Ruins of Empire. London: Two Roads. By Akala (2018)Me and White Supremacy. London: Quercus by Saad, L.F. (2020).‘Why I Am No Longer Talking to White People About Race’ by Reni Eddo- (2017)Films/TV:A United KingdomDaryl Davis’ Ted TalkThe Color of Fear by Lee Mun Wah,‘Black and British: A Forgotten History’ David Olusaoga (iPlayer)The Ants and the GrasshopperProvokative photography collage Art:https://www.instagram.com/ugurgallen/
Yonah and Amy Part 1

Yonah and Amy Part 1

2023-07-1926:39

The first half of a conversation about decolonisation with Dr Yonah Matembe and Amy Blake from the Challenges group (formerly Chief Executive of Classrooms for Malawi.) They discuss Neocolonialism, Afro Colonialism and decolonising ones own self first. An introduction to a huge topic that we hope to explore further in the series. This episode includes the song Tamba Wenga by the Bhundu boys on the album Muchiyedza (Out of the Dark)https://soundcloud.com/bhunduboys/sets/muchiyedza-out-of-the-darkhttps://thechallengesgroup.com/https://classroomsformalawi.co.uk/https://www.scotland-malawipartnership.org/events/open-lecture-decolonising-the-curriculum-why-what-and-howHere's a starting list of decolonisation resources and articles list (please let us know what to add)Reading University Decolonise the Curriculum ResourceDecolonising the University of Bristol blog MMU decolonising the curriculum toolkit Tackling Racism is Hard blogBooks:My Grandmother'd Hands: Racialized Trauma and the Pathway to Mending Our Hearts and Bodies by Resmaa Menakem (2021)Living While Black by Candice Carty Williams (2021)Natives: Race and Class in the Ruins of Empire. London: Two Roads. By Akala (2018)Me and White Supremacy. London: Quercus by Saad, L.F. (2020).‘Why I Am No Longer Talking to White People About Race’ by Reni Eddo- (2017)Films/TV:A United KingdomDaryl Davis’ Ted TalkThe Color of Fear by Lee Mun Wah,‘Black and British: A Forgotten History’ David Olusaoga (iPlayer)The Ants and the GrasshopperProvokative photography collage Art:https://www.instagram.com/ugurgallen/
Mercy and Moira

Mercy and Moira

2023-07-0522:20

Mercy Sibande is visiting Scotland to talk about the work she does in Malawi for the Mamie Martin Foundation. Chimzy and Hazel grab her for a chat in the first episode of this new series exploring what People to People partnerships look like in 2023. She is joined by Moira Dunworth and they look back over the last 30 years, and forward to the next 30. We talk about some practical hurdles an organisation faces to create an equal partnership in an unjust system. E.g. RBS will not allow Malawian Board members as they have no address that is acceptable by their organisation's standards. https://mamiemartin.org/The final song in this episode is played by Davie Luhanga. The song can be found here alongside some of Davie's other music. https://soundcloud.com/davieluhanga/good-old-daysThis show was produced independently by Chimzy Dorey and Hazel Darwin-Clements and is supported by the Scotland Malawi Partnership.
Season 2 trailer

Season 2 trailer

2023-06-2802:33

Hazel and Chimzy are sharing a feeling about embarking on this project. It's going to be amazing but it's going to be hard too. We're preparing to open up and get ready for some honest conversations about the relationship between Scotland and Malawi.
Is the next chapter Africa's chapter? Will the Brough family stay longer in Malawi? What will become possible with the new research facility in the University of Malawi which was built in partnership with the University of Glasgow? How can women be empowered to have a career in environmentalism? How can we increase awareness and mobilise communities into action that mitigates against the effects of Climate Change? We hear from Dr Tiwonge Gowa (Ornathologist) Gary, Jaqceline, Morven and Eilidh Brough (Scottish family living in Malawi), Dr Paul Garside (Dean for Global Engagement (Africa & Middle East) University of Glasgow), David Hope Jones (Chief Executive Scotland Malawi Partnership), Susan Dalgety (author of The Spirit of Malawi) and Andrew Namakhoma (former chair of the Malawi and Scotland Partnership). "We can be guilty of understanding places like Malawi as collections of problems rather than collections of people." Gary Brough"Human beings, we have an amazing ability to enjoy life even at its most challenging" Susan Dalgety“It is this beautiful country with funny people and incredible people and people who want to do well and want to do better, and that really excites me and I think to have friends here in Scotland who are also like ‘hey, I see what you are trying to do and let’s do it together’ that really excites me. There’s these two worlds that are coming together to create a better world.” Chimzy Dorey“There are some serious scientists who suggest that humanity began actually along the shores of Lake Malawi. Sometimes it feels like that, that this is actually all our home.” Susan Dalgety"There’s a real trust in that relationship between Malawi and Scotland…  it also means a real responsibility on all of us, you know, woah - we’re involved in this amazing 160 year relationship." David Hope-Jones"We’re just the custodians of this chapter of the bilateral relationship." David Hope-JonesLet us know what you think about the series using https://www.surveymonkey.co.uk/r/VYW2PW6Join us on twitter @PtoPpod Instagram @peopletopeoplepod
People and Pandemic

People and Pandemic

2021-07-0832:00

We talk teenage pregnancies, vaccine hesitancy and emergency oxygen. What is the impact of the COVID pandemic on partnerships between Scotland and Malawi? How was the emergency response organised? How has the pandemic impacted on the rate of teenage marriage and pregnancy in Malawi? What other knock on effects have we seen on vital projects? How will it impact tourism? Is there some benefit for international partnerships in the rise of digital meetings? This episode features Mwandida Nkhoma (Senior Palliative Care Nurse in Malawi) David Hope-Jones (Chief Executive of the Scotland Malawi Partnership) Kate Webb (Orbis Expeditions) Dr Cathy Ratcliff (EMMS International) and Habiba Osman (Human Rights Lawyer and activist.)The penultimate episode in this series about the unique friendships between the people of Scotland and the people of Malawi. Join us on twitter @PtoPpod Instagram @peopletopeoplepod
People and Principles

People and Principles

2021-07-0140:32

What happens when you are working in partnership with someone and you both hold different principles? Should you challenge or 'live and let live?' How do you sensitively respect other cultures yet stand up for Human Rights? Chimzy and Hazel host a respectful and safe space to explore what happens when we face some of the more sensitive issues that come up in international partnerships, including abortion rights, LGBTQIA+ rights, religion and the right of all children to love and an education. This episode features Malawian Comedian Daliso Chaponda, self proclaimed 'product of Scottish Investment' Muthi Nhlema, Secretary of Kondenani UK Jane Gebbie, Communications and Resource Mobilisation Manager (at Livingstonia Synod’s Church and Society Programme) Gary Brough, Humanist Celebrant Dr Bob Scott and Women's Rights campaigner Fiddes Msoya. “I’m not saying that all of us can fight all the battles, but hopefully there’s always someone who could fight the battle… I am lucky that I am somewhat privileged, so I generally can fight all the fights I want to, I am not in a powerless situation… so maybe I have a warped view of it… but there are people who can’t express their opinion…” Daliso Chaponda"Termination of pregnancy is a very sensitive issue, it’s a very controversial issue, we all recognise that, but we don’t solve it by just shelving it… we need to understand the facts, we need to hear all sides, we need to understand why this is being suggested and then really have a discussion, a mature open discussion" Muthi NhlemaJoin us on twitter @PtoPpod Instagram @peopletopeoplepod
People and Ploughs

People and Ploughs

2021-06-2438:32

How do you balance economic development, with food security and caring for the environment? Why is it so important to understand where our food comes from? How do we create fair trade links between Scotland and Malawi? How are farming co-operatives working together to be more resilient faced with the impact of Climate Change? Chimzy Dorey and Hazel Darwin-Clements talk about farming in Episode 7 of this series about the unique relationship between Scotland and Malawi.We speak with the Evie Murray (Earth in Common) Luwayo Biswick (Permaculture Paradise Institute) Mary Popple (Just Trading Scotland) Phillip Chidawati (CROPS Malawi) Susan Dalgety (author of the Spirit of Malawi) and Joyce Juma-Phiri (Fair Trade Scotland) and there's music by Lazarus. "It’s insane really that we live in a society where people go hungry. It doesn’t make sense… we’re a very smart species, we can solve this if we put our minds to it... I think sometimes you just need to care…” Evie Murray“People are taking a lot of raw products from African countries, Malawi included, and selling them abroad at high prices. That cannot be right. Why are we not supporting products that will be produced and packed in country?” Joyce Juma-PhiriJoin us on twitter @PtoPpod Instagram @peopletopeoplepod
People and Pause

People and Pause

2021-06-1706:56

An honest, reflective conversation explaining how we are feeling this week and why we are taking a pause in publishing the planned episodes.Sometimes we just need to take a moment to breathe, to listen and to grow. There are no other voices in this episode besides Hazel and Chimzy, but, as ever, we do have an open door and an open mind. You're welcome to get in touch if you have an experience of the bilateral relationship between Scotland and Malawi that you'd like to share with us. Our email is peopletopeoplepod@gmail.com. We believe that everyone is qualified to speak of their own lived experience, as long as they do it respectfully and aren't unreasonably trying to speak for others. We also understand there are very good reasons why we will not hear the full range of lived experiences. However, if we are honestly and openly exploring the partnership between Scotland and Malawi we will encounter sensitive and important topics. We intend to engage with them in a thoughtful, meaningful and constructive way. We hope to gather our strength and resume our planned episodes, with added wisdom, next week. With so many hours of conversation collected there is a great weight of responsibility on our shoulders to edit and frame and hold these conversations in a sensitive and thoughtful way. We thank everyone who is supporting us to do that. Take care.
People and Privilege

People and Privilege

2021-06-1037:12

What does it mean to recognise our privilege? Where's the line between something that is a human right (water, food etc.) and something that is a privilege? How does a deeper understanding of privilege become meaningful action? Why are Malawian Children still being taught in English? The sixth episode in this series about the unique relationship between Scotland and Malawi. Chimzy and Hazel talk about privilege. We can't cover everything, this is a huge topic but we discuss guilt, white privilege, white saviours, Black Lives Matter, racism and how it all works in partnerships with Scottish and Malawian people. We speak with 'Product of Scottish investment' Muthi Nhlema, comedian Daliso Chaponda, members of the Dunblane Boys Brigade, and there's music and conversation with Davie Luhanga aka Street Rat. As part of the Scotland Malawi Partnership's Youth Festival 2021, Muthi's story around racism inspired the creation of a new school resource. If you work with young people and would be interested to help them explore their thoughts around latent racism, then please check out the resource "What Does Race & Equality Mean to You?Join us on twitter @PtoPpod Instagram @peopletopeoplepod
People and Planet

People and Planet

2021-06-0734:32

What is Restorative Climate Justice? What do you want to be prioritised at COP 26? How must Scotland (one of the world's biggest polluters) work with Malawi (one of the countries that will be most affected by the Climate Emergency) to mitigate the affects of Climate Change?The fifth episode in this series about the unique relationship between Scotland and Malawi. Chimzy and Hazel get passionate about the planet. We talk about COP 26, food security, energy security, Climate Finance, Restorative Climate Justice, the importance of biodiversity and the which creatures would be in the 'Malawi small 5'. We include young Climate Activists Brenda Mwale and Edward Msiska, CEO of Earth in Common Evie Murray and world famous ornithologist Tiwonge Gawa. And enjoy some nature recordings by Frode Falkenberg.Join us on twitter @PtoPpod Instagram @peopletopeoplepod
People and Perspective

People and Perspective

2021-05-2737:20

What does it mean to be 'Globally competent and locally relevant?' Has the media depoliticised African countries?The fourth episode in this series about the unique relationship between Scotland and Malawi. Unafraid of approaching any conversation Chimzy and Hazel think about sharing another person's perspective. We talk about haggis, dentistry, vegetarianism, Mental Health, decolonisation and the way that western journalism portrays the global south. We speak with Professor Mwapatsa Mipando, Principal of the College of Medicine, University of Malawi, with Cathy Ratcliff, Director of Thrive, and Laura Curtis-Moss, board member of Earth in Common. There's music by Isla Ratcliff. Join us on twitter @PtoPpod Instagram @peopletopeoplepod
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