Point of Relation with Thomas Huebl

Trauma may be passed down through generations, but so are healing, benevolence, and spiritual guidance.This week, Thomas sits down with Iya Affo, an international speaker and the founder of Heal Historical Trauma, to discuss ancestral trauma and wisdom, Indigenous healing traditions, and collective resilience.Iya shares her personal journey of healing and connecting with her cultural identity, sharing how community practices and communal rituals are essential for individual and collective healing.She and Thomas explore how historical and ancestral trauma infiltrate modern life, and share hopeful wisdom on our ability to heal those wounds and transmit healing and regulation into the future. They discuss the tension and harmony between Western practices and Indigenous medicine, the difference between becoming an “elder” and simply growing older, and how genuine wellness and spiritual growth require acknowledging our fundamental interconnectedness.✨ Click here to watch the video version of this episode on YouTube:👉 https://youtu.be/V1C6t3p29_AVideo episodes are typically posted at 8am PT/ 11am ETJoin Thomas and Iya Affo this fall for ✨ The Path of the Courageous Soul ✨A 5-month journey to transform trauma into wisdom, fulfill your purpose, and navigate uncertain times for personal and collective evolution.You’ll cultivate the inner resilience and clarity needed to stand steady in times of upheaval and learn practical tools to regulate your nervous system and connect to your inner sources of grace and guidance.And as a member of the Point of Relation community, you'll receive a special $200 discount when you enroll. Learn more and join the course here:👉 https://pathofthecourageoussoul.com/podcast✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com ✨ Pre-Order Thomas Hübl’s newest book, written in collaboration with Dr. Richard Schwartz: “Releasing Our Burdens,” here:👉 https://www.releasingourburdens.comThomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma. In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University.✨ Connect with Thomas here:Website: https://thomashuebl.com/Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thomashuebl/ Twitter:

Thomas shares a short teaching on how we can work together to navigate global crises, identify areas of unaddressed collective trauma, and transform outdated social structures with more emergent, creative, compassionate movements.In order for humanity to move into the next stage of development, we must address the frozen wounds of our past in order to stop repeating the same mistakes. Thomas explores ways to overcome our current state of fragmentation to prevent destructive crises before they occur and shift from rigidity to flow, from polarization to relationality.✨ Click here to watch the video version of this episode on YouTube:👉 https://youtu.be/w91Xj1ShBIoVideo episodes are typically posted at 8am PT/ 11am ET✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com Join Thomas Hübl this fall for ✨ The Path of the Courageous Soul ✨A 5-month journey to transform trauma into wisdom, fulfill your purpose, and navigate uncertain times for personal and collective evolution.You’ll cultivate the inner resilience and clarity needed to stand steady in times of upheaval and learn practical tools to regulate your nervous system and connect to your inner sources of grace and guidance.Learn more and enroll here:👉 https://pathofthecourageoussoul.com✨ Pre-Order Thomas Hübl’s newest book, written in collaboration with Dr. Richard Schwartz: “Releasing Our Burdens,” here:👉 https://www.releasingourburdens.comThomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma. In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University.✨ Connect with Thomas here:Website: https://thomashuebl.com/Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thomashuebl/ Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/ThomasHuebl YouTube: https://youtube.com/@thomashueblTake our listener survey! We'd love your feedback on which topics and guests are resonating with you and which ones you'd like to hear more about in the future:👉 https://forms.gle/uoygyKMmHeUHeJFD9

This week, Thomas shares a teaching on trauma healing, ego integration, and embodied trust. Through the lens of traditional spiritual practices and the Tao Te Ching, he explores how trauma disconnects us from inner coherence, and why it’s important to understand and accept the intelligence of our defense patterns instead of simply trying to get rid of them.He also shares a unique perspective on trust, relationality, and worthiness, and challenges the idea of completely “dissolving the ego” and achieving an ideal self, offering a more holistic approach that highlights the necessary function of the ego and the need for all of our parts to be acknowledged and integrated.✨ Click here to watch the video version of this episode on YouTube:👉 https://youtu.be/w7lY4t0n2E4Video episodes are typically posted at 8am PT/ 11am ET✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com Join Thomas Hübl this fall for ✨ The Path of the Courageous Soul ✨A 5-month journey to transform trauma into wisdom, fulfill your purpose, and navigate uncertain times for personal and collective evolution.You’ll cultivate the inner resilience and clarity needed to stand steady in times of upheaval and learn practical tools to regulate your nervous system and connect to your inner sources of grace and guidance.Learn more and enroll here:👉https://pathofthecourageoussoul.com/podcast✨ Pre-Order Thomas Hübl’s newest book, written in collaboration with Dr. Richard Schwartz: “Releasing Our Burdens,” here:👉 https://www.releasingourburdens.comThomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma. In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University.✨ Connect with Thomas here:Website: https://thomashuebl.com/Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thomashuebl/ Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/ThomasHuebl YouTube: https://youtube.com/@thomashueblTake our listener survey! We'd love your feedback on which topics and guests are resonating with you and which ones you'd like to hear more about in the future:👉

Can connecting with our ancestors help us see the sacredness in moments of deep crisis and grief?This week, Thomas sits down with Serene Thin Elk, a Lakota/ Dakota mental health and addiction therapist and speaker, for a vulnerable and moving conversation on ancestral healing, intergenerational trauma, grief, and collective wisdom.Serene shares her journey, driven by a need to understand her own and her community's suffering, including the intergenerational effects of historical trauma on Indigenous peoples. Through grief and loss, she discovered the importance of an integrative, holistic approach to healing, combining Western therapeutic techniques with traditional Indigenous ceremonies and spiritual practices to reconnect with ancestral wisdom and manage dysregulated nervous systems.She and Thomas discuss the importance of processing personal grief before addressing collective trauma, and explore frameworks for honoring loss and maintaining relationships even after death.✨ Click here to watch the video version of this episode on YouTube:👉 https://youtu.be/LCINzH_F3CQVideo episodes are typically posted at 8am PT/ 11am ET✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com ✨ Serene Thin Elk is a Lakota/Dakota clinical addiction and mental health therapist, mother of four children, and member of the Ihanktonwan and Sicangu Oyate in South Dakota. She is the Community Programs Director with South Dakota Urban Indian Health and seeks to integrate culture and spirituality into community healing models. She is passionate about intergenerational healing and educating others on how historical traumas translate to the present-day experiences of Native people.Connect with Serene here:👉 https://boardingschoolhealing.orgThomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma. In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University.✨ Connect with Thomas here:Website: https://thomashuebl.com/Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thomashuebl/ Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/ThomasHuebl YouTube: https://youtube.com/@thomashuebl✨ Order Thomas Hübl’s newest book, “Attuned: Practicing Interdependence to Heal Our Trauma–And Our World,” here:👉

Will human wisdom ever be able to match the progress of technology?This week, Thomas is joined by Soren Gordhamer, the founder of Wisdom 2.0, for a deep dive into spiritual consciousness, technology, and how we can hold on to what’s most essential in life as we face the complex challenges of the digital age.As humans experience unprecedented levels of global connection, we’re also facing a crisis of loneliness, fragmentation, and polarization. Soren suspects that our “inner technologies of the heart” (wisdom, compassion, and self-awareness) aren’t keeping pace with algorithms, devices, and AI. He and Thomas discuss how regulating our nervous systems and tending to our spiritual practices can help offset the negative effects of technological overload.But individual evolution isn’t enough. This conversation explores the critical need for tech creators to infuse their work with ethical values and a collective reigning in of greed and unfettered capitalism to prevent a dysregulated society from misusing super-intelligent technologies.✨ Click here to watch the video version of this episode on YouTube:👉 https://youtu.be/o0ZeVmcifT8Video episodes are typically posted at 8am PT/ 11am ET✨ Join Thomas and over 40 expert leaders in trauma-healing, embodiment, somatics, and social change for 7 days of embodied practices, guided reflection, and powerful interviews at the Collective Trauma Summit 2025.This free, online event will help you deepen your understanding of trauma, learn practices for deeper presence, regulation, and compassion, and connect with a supportive global community.The Summit begins on October 12.Register for free here 👉 https://collectivetraumasummit.com✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com ✨ Soren Gordhamer is founder and host of Wisdom 2.0, a partner at Wisdom Ventures, and author of the new book THE ESSENTIAL: Discovering What Really Matters in an Age of Distraction. For nearly two decades, Soren has been a pioneering force in bridging modern technology with ancient wisdom, demonstrating how we can live mindfully and compassionately in today’s fast-paced world.Connect with Soren here:👉 https://www.sorengordhamer.netThomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma. In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University.✨ Connect with Thomas here:Website: https://thomashuebl.com/Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/ Instagram: a...

Are you truly existing in the world, or are you trying to escape it?This week, Thomas shares an exploration into personal and societal evolution. It all begins with creating an inner spaciousness from which we can engage with the world with embodied presence, even when it’s difficult and uncomfortable.This teaching invites you to see challenges as gateways for transformation where innovation can emerge. Thomas shares how this principle applies on a small scale in our personal lives and on a larger scale as our societies undergo a detox process to digest the wounds of the past.✨ Click here to watch the video version of this episode on YouTube:👉 https://youtu.be/Np8-J9P9hlEVideo episodes are typically posted at 8am PT/ 11am ET✨ Join Thomas and over 40 expert leaders in trauma-healing, embodiment, somatics, and social change for 7 days of embodied practices, guided reflection, and powerful interviews at the Collective Trauma Summit 2025.This free, online event will help you deepen your understanding of trauma, learn practices for deeper presence, regulation, and compassion, and connect with a supportive global community.The Summit begins on October 12.Register for free here 👉 https://collectivetraumasummit.com✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma. In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University.✨ Connect with Thomas here:Website: https://thomashuebl.com/Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thomashuebl/ Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/ThomasHuebl YouTube: https://youtube.com/@thomashuebl✨ Order Thomas Hübl’s newest book, “Attuned: Practicing Interdependence to Heal Our Trauma–And Our World,” here:👉 https://www.attunedbook.com/  Take our listener survey! We'd love your feedback on which topics and guests are resonating with you and which ones you'd like to hear more about in the future:👉 https://forms.gle/uoygyKMmHeUHeJFD9

“Our history is not a history of divide. Our history is a history of coming together in greater and greater numbers.” - john a. powellIn this special bonus episode, Thomas sits down with john a. powell, law professor and Director of the Othering and Belonging Institute, to investigate the root causes and social function of “othering.”Humans are wired for connection, and according to john, othering is actually an unfortunate byproduct of our desire to belong and survive within a specific group.He and Thomas explore how storytelling has shaped the trajectory of human evolution, and how we can embrace our inherent interconnectedness to write more inclusive and peaceful stories for our shared future.If you’d like to hear the full conversation between john and Thomas, it’s one of over 30 talks included in the upcoming Collective Trauma Summit 2025. Click on the link below to register for this free online event.✨ Click here to watch the video version of this episode on YouTube:👉 https://youtu.be/-uODI5ZgU1wVideo episodes are typically posted at 8am PT/ 11am ET✨ Join Thomas, john a. powell, and over 40 expert leaders in trauma-healing, embodiment, somatics, and social change for 7 days of embodied practices, guided reflection, and powerful interviews at the Collective Trauma Summit 2025.This free, online event will help you deepen your understanding of trauma, learn practices for deeper presence, regulation, and compassion, and connect with a supportive global community.The Summit begins on October 12.Register for free here 👉 https://collectivetraumasummit.com Subscribe to Thomas Hübl's channel for wisdom on healing, awakening, and transforming yourself and the world: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8aSR_qI6MCIJkGJfPn1RvQ?sub_confirmation=1For more episodes of the Point of Relation podcast, visit: https://pointofrelationpodcast.com/✨ john a. powell is Director of the Othering and Belonging Institute and Professor of Law, African American, and Ethnic Studies at UC Berkeley. He has led institutes focused on race and poverty at Ohio State and the University of Minnesota, and formerly served as National Legal Director of the ACLU. A co-founder of the Poverty & Race Research Action Council, he is known for developing frameworks of “targeted universalism” and “othering and belonging” to effect equity-based interventions.Connect with john here:👉 https://belonging.berkeley.eduThomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma. In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University.✨ Connect with Thomas here:Website:

Can creative expression help us return to ourselves after we’ve experienced spiritual trauma?This week, Thomas sits down with Pádraig Ó Tuama, a distinguished Irish Poet, theologian, and host of the podcast Poetry Unbound, for a profound exploration of spiritual trauma. Pádraig shares about the specific heartbreak of being betrayed by a spiritual community, drawing from his own intense experiences as a young gay man whose sexuality was demonized by his church.Pádraig and Thomas discuss the intertwining of religious identity with politics and colonial history, particularly in Ireland, and share practical, philosophical, spiritual, and artistic approaches to healing from this type of trauma. At the heart of this conversation is the regenerative power of creativity and how art, poetry, and other forms of self-expression are essential to reestablishing a healthy relationship to your identity and your personal faith after trauma.Pádraig also reads his poem “The Exorcism” from his “Seven Deadly Sonnets” collection.✨ Click here to watch the video version of this episode on YouTube:👉 https://youtu.be/UbHVywpETVcVideo episodes are typically posted at 8am PT/ 11am ET✨ Join Thomas, Pádraig, and over 40 expert leaders in trauma-healing, embodiment, somatics, and social change for 7 days of embodied practices, guided reflection, and powerful interviews at the Collective Trauma Summit 2025.This free, online event will help you deepen your understanding of trauma, learn practices for deeper presence, regulation, and compassion, and connect with a supportive global community.The Summit begins on October 12.Register for free here 👉 https://collectivetraumasummit.com✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com ✨ Pádraig Ó Tuama is a poet with interests in conflict, language, and religion. He presents Poetry Unbound from On Being Studios and has published two anthologies. In early 2025, Copper Canyon Press published Kitchen Hymns, his fourth poetry collection. A freelance artist, one of Ó Tuama’s projects is poet in residence with the Cooperation and Conflict Resolution Center at Columbia University. He splits his time between Belfast and New York City.Connect with Pádraig here:👉 https://www.padraigotuama.comThomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma. In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University.✨ Connect with Thomas here:Website: https://thomashuebl.com/Facebook:

Can you change your consciousness by changing the way that you breathe?This week, Thomas is joined by Rae Riedel, the co-founder, primary educator, and facilitator trainer of Integrative Breath. She’s also a senior student of Thomas’, having trained with him for over 13 years. Their conversation deeply explores the transformative power of breath work, bridging ancient mystical traditions with cutting-edge science.Breath is both a core element of spiritual practice and a physical process that directs the functioning of our nervous systems. It impacts how our brain stores memories, especially traumatic ones, and therefore plays a huge role in trauma healing and nervous system regulation.Rae and Thomas discuss how breath is also a portal into your unconscious mind and the depth of your spirit. Tune in to learn how to breathe in a way that supports somatic healing, connection with life, and a renewed feeling of vitality.✨ Click here to watch the video version of this episode on YouTube:👉 https://youtu.be/45OiOmTUmLoVideo episodes are typically posted at 8am PT/ 11am ET✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com ✨ Rae Riedel is Co-founder and primary educator and trainer for Integrative Breath. She weaves 35 years of professional experience and personal exploration in the worlds of alternative medicine, mind-body/consciousness, and natural healing into her teaching and somatic therapy practice.Connect with Rae here:👉 https://integrative-breath.com/Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma. In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University.✨ Connect with Thomas here:Website: https://thomashuebl.com/Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thomashuebl/ Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/ThomasHuebl YouTube: https://youtube.com/@thomashuebl✨ Order Thomas Hübl’s newest book, “Attuned: Practicing Interdependence to Heal Our Trauma–And Our World,” here:👉 https://www.attunedbook.com/  Take our listener survey! We'd love your feedback on which topics and guests are resonating with you and which ones you'd like to hear...

The beauty of the spiritual path lies in not having a fixed destination.This week, Thomas Hübl shares a teaching that opens us to a different mode of knowing—one that is emergent, direct, and arises from surrendering to its flow rather than attempting to control it.Tune in for a radical redefinition of the spiritual journey and learn how to embrace your unique agency in co-creating reality, refine your inner listening, and deepen your understanding of key mystical principles.✨ Click here to watch the video version of this episode on YouTube:🎬https://youtu.be/TlSyVX65sX0Video episodes are typically posted at 8am PT/ 11am ET✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website:👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma. In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University.✨ Connect with Thomas here:Website: https://thomashuebl.com/Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thomashuebl/Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/ThomasHueblYouTube: https://youtube.com/@thomashuebl ✨ Order Thomas Hübl’s newest book, “Attuned: Practicing Interdependence to Heal Our Trauma–And Our World” here:👉 https://www.attunedbook.com/ ✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website:👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.comTake our listener survey! We'd love your feedback on which topics and guests are resonating with you and which ones you'd like to hear more about in the future:👉 https://forms.gle/uoygyKMmHeUHeJFD9

This week, we’re revisiting Thomas’ conversation with Esther Perel, a renowned psychotherapist, NYT bestselling author, and host of the podcast “Where Should We Begin?” They’re also joined by her husband, Jack Saul, an artist, author, and psychologist. It’s a deep discussion on working with trauma survivors, the healing power of creativity, and addressing the impacts of intergenerational trauma in therapy.Esther defines the “erotic” as a feeling of aliveness and vibrancy that transcends the context of romance. She shares how embracing this fundamental part of our humanity helps us survive traumatic circumstances and release the constriction and expectation of harm that often accompanies trauma. This is a powerful conversation that highlights how individual healing is deeply intertwined with collective healing, moving our understanding of therapeutic experiences beyond the isolated office into a shared space of transformation. It’s one of our favorite conversations that we aired in the early days of Point of Relation, and we’re excited to share it with you.✨ Click here to watch the video version of this episode on YouTube:👉 https://youtu.be/L1LaAkZhICwVideo episodes are typically posted at 8am PT/ 11am ET✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com ✨ Psychotherapist and New York Times bestselling author Esther Perel is recognized as one of today’s most insightful and original voices on modern relationships. Fluent in nine languages, she helms a therapy practice in New York City and serves as an organizational consultant for Fortune 500 companies around the world. Her celebrated TED Talks have garnered more than 40 million views, and her bestselling books, Mating in Captivity and The State of Affairs, are global phenomena translated into more than 30 languages. Esther is also the host of the hit podcast “Where Should We Begin?” which is available on Apple Podcasts.Connect with Esther here:👉 https://www.estherperel.com✨ Jack Saul Ph.D., is the founding director of the International Trauma Studies Program (ITSP), a research and training institute based in New York City. He has served on the faculties of New York University School of Medicine, Department of Psychiatry, the New School for Social Research, Clinical Psychology Program, and Columbia University, Mailman School of Public Health. As a psychologist and family therapist, he has created a number of programs both in NYC and abroad for populations that have endured disaster, war, torture, and political violence. He’s the author of Collective Trauma, Collective Healing, and has helmed a public arts and conversation project entitled "Moral Injuries of War".Connect with Jack here:👉 https://www.jacksaul.org✨ Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma. In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a...

Can we create more richness and harmony in our lives by synthesizing scientific and spiritual ways of knowing?This week, Thomas shares his thoughts on this question and explains how bridging this divide into a unified understanding of reality might be the key to unlocking the full spectrum of human experience and intelligence.Tune in to explore how trauma creates a false sense of separation between these two worlds, and learn how practicing presence and attuning with the wholeness of the information field can create greater intimacy with life and open us to profound revelations and paradigm-shifting innovations.✨ Click here to watch the video version of this episode on YouTube:🎬https://youtu.be/8Jt2NyNAN38Video episodes are typically posted at 8am PT/ 11am ET✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website:👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma. In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University.✨ Connect with Thomas here:Website: https://thomashuebl.com/Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thomashuebl/Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/ThomasHueblYouTube: https://youtube.com/@thomashuebl ✨ Order Thomas Hübl’s newest book, “Attuned: Practicing Interdependence to Heal Our Trauma–And Our World” here:👉 https://www.attunedbook.com/ ✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website:👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.comTake our listener survey! We'd love your feedback on which topics and guests are resonating with you and which ones you'd like to hear more about in the future:👉 https://forms.gle/uoygyKMmHeUHeJFD9

Today, we’re sharing an excerpt from Thomas’ conversation with acclaimed travel writer, author, and speaker Pico Iyer at the upcoming Collective Trauma Summit. Pico’s extensive travels and journeys into the realms of Buddhism and meditation have deeply inspired and informed his creative process. They also brought him into close contact with another artist and meditation practitioner, the legendary musician Leonard Cohen. In this snippet from his Summit talk, Pico shares his experience witnessing Cohen's dedicated Zen practice and how Cohen later brought this sacred, surrendered quality from his meditation practice into his concert performances, transforming them into communal, sacred experiences. Within this experience, there are profound lessons about accepting impermanence and surrendering to something beyond your individual self.If you’re moved by this conversation and want to hear the full talk, sign up at the link below, and we’ll notify you as soon as details are announced for the 2025 Collective Trauma Summit, taking place online this fall.https://pointofrelationpodcast.com/#email-signup ✨ Click here to watch the video version of this episode on YouTube:👉 https://youtu.be/-BLc08UQqF8Video episodes are typically posted at 8am PT/ 11am ET✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com ✨ Pico Iyer is the author of 17 books of fiction and nonfiction, translated into 23 languages, on subjects ranging from globalism and mysticism to the Dalai Lama. He is a longtime essayist for Time, The New York Times, and over 250 publications worldwide. Born in Oxford to Indian parents, he was educated at Eton, Oxford, and Harvard, and has lived in Japan since 1987.Connect with Pico here:👉 https://picoiyerjourneys.com/Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma. In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University.✨ Connect with Thomas here:Website: https://thomashuebl.com/Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thomashuebl/ Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/ThomasHuebl YouTube: https://youtube.com/@thomashuebl✨ Order Thomas Hübl’s newest book, “Attuned: Practicing Interdependence to Heal Our Trauma–And Our...

A deep meditation practice doesn’t help you bypass your problems; it helps you move through them with presence and embodied awareness.This week, Thomas is joined by his dear friends, longtime students, and meditation instructors Susanne Ahlendorf and Martin Bruders, for a deep dive into the healing power of meditation and how to integrate your meditation practice into every moment of your life.Learn to transform your practice into a way of living and find deeper intimacy with your life’s journey, your spirit, and yourself. Explore the importance of trauma-informed approaches and community support in meditation, and find out how this important element of a spiritual practice can lead to larger-scale social progress and collective healing.And if you want to go even deeper on this topic and gain more wisdom and insights to carry into your meditation practice, join Martin and Susanne this September for their 4-week live online course: Deepening Meditation: Stillness, Heart, and Relationality.Whether you’re a longtime practitioner or a first-time meditator, this course will teach you how to access a meditative state no matter what life brings you and open yourself to deeper connections and inner wisdom.Learn more and sign up for the course at: https://thomashuebl.com/meditation-course-sept-2025/ ✨ Click here to watch the video version of this episode on YouTube:👉 https://youtu.be/6MiQBxUF6soVideo episodes are typically posted at 8am PT/ 11am ET✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com ✨ Susanne Ahlendorf is a non-medical practitioner for psychotherapy, a group leader for meditation and Inner Science practice, who accompanies people on their personal and spiritual development path. For her, meditation is a way of unfolding love in life.Connect with Susanne here:www.susanneahlendorf.de✨ Martin Bruders is a qualified social worker, mediator, and coach. He worked for over 28 years as a comedian and presenter at over 2000 corporate events in Germany, Austria, and Switzerland. His inner exploration journey is as much about his meditation practice as it is about his daily life. He loves to permeate life deeper and deeper, always in search of intimacy with the divine; sometimes succeeding, sometimes failing.Connect with Martin here:www.martinbruders.deExplore more teachings and meditations from Martin and Susanne via their co-founded organization, Make Space for Grace, here:👉 www.makespaceforgrace.deAnd subscribe to their YouTube channel here:👉 http://www.youtube.com/@makespaceforgrace1158Sign up for the free monthly Living Meditation Stream with Martin and Susanne, an online opportunity to learn meditation skills and connect with our community:👉 https://thomashuebl.com/meditationEnroll in the Deepening Meditation course, which begins on September 4th:👉 https://thomashuebl.com/meditation-course-sept-2025/✨ Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective...

How does crossing the threshold of grief open the gateway to other potent emotions?In part two of their conversation on grief, healing, and social transformation, Thomas and Francis Weller discuss what it means to become an apprentice to grief, how communal healing leads to individual and social maturity, and why it’s so important to lean into our interconnectedness when times are tough.Explore what’s lacking in Western cultures’ approach to processing grief and what might change if we create collective spaces, led by seasoned elders, to connect through our shared sorrows. Can we reclaim our humanity and remember how to live in harmony with the world? Francis believes that we can, but we must have the courage to look inward, sit in the heat of our own grief, and not turn away.✨ Click here to watch the video version of this episode on YouTube:👉 https://youtu.be/kDhGhHSOSawVideo episodes are typically posted at 8am PT/ 11am ET✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com ✨ Francis Weller, MFT, is a psychotherapist, author, and soul activist. He is a master of synthesizing diverse streams of thought from psychology, anthropology, mythology, alchemy, Indigenous cultures, and poetic traditions. His books, including The Wild Edge of Sorrow, have introduced the healing work of ritual to thousands of people. Francis founded and directs WisdomBridge, an organization that offers educational programs that seek to integrate the wisdom from Indigenous cultures with the insights and knowledge gathered from Western poetic, psychological, and spiritual traditions. For more than forty years, Francis has worked as a psychotherapist and developed a style he calls soul-centered psychotherapy.Connect with Francis here:👉 www.francisweller.netOrder Francis' book, In the Absence of the Ordinary, here:👉 https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/784313/in-the-absence-of-the-ordinary-by-francis-wellerOrder Francis' book, The Wild Edge of Sorrow, here:👉 https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/250673/the-wild-edge-of-sorrow-by-francis-wellerThomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma. In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University.✨ Connect with Thomas here:Website: https://thomashuebl.com/Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thomashuebl/ Twitter: a...

Bestselling author Cheryl Strayed believes that writing your truth can set you free.Today we’re sharing an excerpt from her conversation with Thomas at the upcoming Collective Trauma Summit. In it, she shares about a profound healing act that helped her process deep grief and trauma…writing. More specifically, the way that writing demands raw honesty and vulnerability, revealing our deepest truths about our human experiences.It’s also an incredibly effective way to combat the isolation and loneliness that often accompany grief or trauma. In Cheryl’s case, sharing her truth in her book, Wild, inspired people to reach out to her with their own stories of loss and pain, creating unexpected, deeply authentic connections. And it’s through these connections that we can build much-needed shared spaces for healing individual and collective trauma.If you’re moved by this conversation and want to hear the full talk, sign up at the link below and we’ll notify you as soon as details are announced for the 2025 Collective Trauma Summit, taking place online this fall.👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com/#email-signup ✨ Click here to watch the video version of this episode on YouTube:👉 https://youtu.be/Cl6Uuis18NAVideo episodes are typically posted at 8am PT/ 11am ET✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com ✨ Cheryl Strayed is the author of the #1 New York Times bestseller Wild: From Lost to Found on the Pacific Crest Trail, which was adapted into an Oscar-nominated film. Her other books include Tiny Beautiful Things, Torch, and Brave Enough. Her work has appeared in The Best American Essays, The New York Times, and Vogue, among others. Also a podcast host and playwright, Strayed lives in Portland, Oregon.Connect with Cheryl here:👉 https://www.cherylstrayed.comThomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma. In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University.✨ Connect with Thomas here:Website: https://thomashuebl.com/Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thomashuebl/ Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/ThomasHuebl YouTube: https://youtube.com/@thomashuebl✨ Order Thomas Hübl’s newest book,...

What if opening yourself to grief could actually help you feel more alive?This week, Thomas sits down with psychotherapist, writer, and soul activist Francis Weller for a powerful conversation about befriending grief, embracing healing rituals in collective spaces, and the power of the past to transform the future.It’s so common for people in pain to turn away from it, to avoid their grief and sorrow, or to think that they can muscle through in isolation. But in the deep wisdom that Francis shares here, the opposite is true. Our personal grief, as well as the trauma inherited from our ancestors, yearns for a social container where it can be safely and openly witnessed, processed, and integrated.The beauty in this is what comes from this relationship to grief, and that’s access to a vast wellspring of inspiration, intuition, and renewed vitality. Francis and Thomas dive deep into how we can open ourselves to these processes and how they can transmute collective sorrow into profound societal transformation.The second half of Thomas and Francis' conversation will air next week.✨ Click here to watch the video version of this episode on YouTube:👉 https://youtu.be/Lo49jsP-oWwVideo episodes are typically posted at 8am PT/ 11am ET✨ Available Now: Love, Trauma, and Healing, a self-paced online course from Thomas and couples therapy expert Terry Real. ✨Learn the practices to heal past wounds and more deeply connect with yourself, your partner, and the world at large.Experience how Thomas and Terry combine methods from psychotherapy and spiritual practices to bring your relationships to the next level.Learn more and access the course here:👉 https://www.lovetraumahealing.com/podcast✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com ✨ Francis Weller, MFT, is a psychotherapist, author, and soul activist. He is a master of synthesizing diverse streams of thought from psychology, anthropology, mythology, alchemy, Indigenous cultures, and poetic traditions. His books, including The Wild Edge of Sorrow, have introduced the healing work of ritual to thousands of people. Francis founded and directs WisdomBridge, an organization that offers educational programs that seek to integrate the wisdom from Indigenous cultures with the insights and knowledge gathered from Western poetic, psychological, and spiritual traditions. For more than forty years, Francis has worked as a psychotherapist and developed a style he calls soul-centered psychotherapy.Connect with Francis here:👉 www.francisweller.netOrder Francis' book, In the Absence of the Ordinary, here:👉 https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/784313/in-the-absence-of-the-ordinary-by-francis-wellerOrder Francis' book, The Wild Edge of Sorrow, here:👉 https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/250673/the-wild-edge-of-sorrow-by-francis-wellerThomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core...

Have you ever pulled away from someone you love—not because you didn’t care, but because closeness felt too painful?This week, Thomas is joined by renowned couples therapy expert Dr. Terry Real for a conversation on how trauma affects our relationships with ourselves, our intimate partners, and the world at large—and how we can heal those wounds.Intimacy isn’t just something you share with other people; it’s also an authentic connection with yourself. Thomas and Terry explore how our relationships are impacted by trauma from the past, why we become triggered in the present, and what it takes to establish trust, safety, and understanding.These are essential lessons for anyone who wants to shift from conflict to connection, both in your personal life and in the way that you impact the world around you.✨ Click here to watch the video version of this episode on YouTube:👉 https://youtu.be/ombxZht9wHMVideo episodes are typically posted at 8am PT/ 11am ETWant to dive deeper into this topic with Thomas and Dr. Terry Real? Learn more about their collaborative self-paced course:✨ Love, Trauma, and Healing ✨Learn the practices to heal past wounds and more deeply connect with yourself, your partner, and the world at large.Experience how Thomas and Terry combine methods from psychotherapy and spiritual practices to bring your relationships to the next level.Learn more and access the course here:👉 https://www.lovetraumahealing.com/podcast✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com ✨ Dr. Terry Real has been a practicing family therapist for more than thirty years, and his work has been featured on many major news outlets, TV shows, and in numerous academic publications. His most recent book Us: Getting Past You & Me to Build a More Loving Relationship, is a New York Times Bestseller. Terry founded the Relational Life Institute (RLI), which is dedicated to teaching the general public how to live relational lives and to teaching mental health professionals the practice of Relational Life Therapy.Connect with him here:👉 https://terryreal.comThomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma. In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University.✨ Connect with Thomas here:Website: https://thomashuebl.com/Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/ Instagram:

To honor the life of beloved poet and beautiful human being Andrea Gibson, we're sharing their episode of the podcast again. Andrea's work, energy, vulnerability, and exceptional passion for life were inspiring for all of us on the Point of Relation team, and we were so sad to hear of their recent passing. In this conversation with Thomas, Andrea speaks from the heart about courageously embracing death and grief, the spiritually transformative power of facing your mortality, the absolute necessity of creative self-expression, and how to face the unknown with curiosity, wonder, and awe. And if you're not familiar with Andrea's work, we highly recommend you track down their books of poetry at your local bookstore, or visit: https://andreagibson.com✨ Click here to watch the video version of this episode on YouTube:👉 https://youtu.be/m6rdzxxtWEcVideo episodes are typically posted at 8am PT/ 11am ET✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma. In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University.✨ Connect with Thomas here:Website: https://thomashuebl.com/Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thomashuebl/ Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/ThomasHuebl YouTube: https://youtube.com/@thomashuebl✨ Order Thomas Hübl’s newest book, “Attuned: Practicing Interdependence to Heal Our Trauma–And Our World,” here:👉 https://www.attunedbook.com/  ✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website:👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.comTake our listener survey! We'd love your feedback on which topics and guests are resonating with you and which ones you'd like to hear more about in the future:👉 https://forms.gle/uoygyKMmHeUHeJFD9

Can healing yourself really help heal the world?This week, Thomas sits down with Amandine Roche, a human rights and women’s empowerment expert with more than 20 years of experience with the United Nations and European Union. Amandine’s extensive work in conflict zones worldwide was driven by a deep, personal quest for healing from childhood trauma. But the work itself took a toll on her mental and physical health, leading her on a journey of healing that uncovered an essential core truth that she now works to spread: we must have inner peace if we want to work for outer peace.Amandine shares beautifully honest details from her own personal struggles and offers a unique perspective on embracing femininity in human rights work and all forms of leadership. She and Thomas explore the need for collective spaces and new skills to digest world events and prevent the repetition of painful social and political patterns.It’s an empowering conversation that highlights the absolute necessity of self-alignment and inner healing in humanitarian work and any type of effort toward peace and harmony in a world in crisis.✨ Click here to watch the video version of this episode on YouTube:👉 https://youtu.be/TiD4qCktYCYVideo episodes are typically posted at 8am PT/ 11am ET✨ Available Now: Love, Trauma, and Healing, a self-paced online course from Thomas and couples therapy expert Terry Real. ✨Learn the practices to heal past wounds and more deeply connect with yourself, your partner, and the world at large.Experience how Thomas and Terry combine methods from psychotherapy and spiritual practices to bring your relationships to the next level.Learn more and access the course here:👉 https://www.lovetraumahealing.com/podcast✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com ✨ Amandine Roche is a Human Rights and women’s empowerment expert with 20 years of experience in conflict contexts across Asia, Africa, Europe, and South America. She’s worked with the United Nations Department of Peacekeeping, the European Commission, and other organizations.She’s an author, photographer, explorer, public speaker, social entrepreneur, and yoga and meditation teacher. Amandine is also a healer and a Search Inside Yourself teacher.She’s the founder of the Amanuddin Foundation in Afghanistan and the Inner Peacekeeping Program for humanitarians on the front line. She is now creating the Inner Peace Corps organization to bring the tools of inner peace to refugee camps.Learn more about and connect with Amandine here:👉 https://www.amandineroche.comThomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma. In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is