Pop Apologists

We go long on two very different “nepo baby” journeys: Zoë Kravitz—from Topanga Canyon rules to rock-star Miami, acting breakthroughs (Big Little Lies, The Batman), directing Blink Twice, YSL muse status, and that headline-friendly dating history—then pivot to Gracie Abrams—JJ’s daughter with a whisper-cutting pen, from SoundCloud to opening ERAS, writing “Us” with Taylor, and a moody-artist friend web that keeps the lore lore-ing. Expect fashion, friendship matrices, messy kitchens, edible confessions, and a surprisingly useful fire-safety tangent. Are they “nepo”? Sure. But the talent shows up on mic and on screen.Chapter Timestamps00:00 — 🎙️ Cold open + why Zoë & Gracie now02:00 — 🧬 Zoë origin: Lenny, Lisa, Roxy Roker (icon!) #294 Ep Nepo Babies Deep Dive07:00 — 🌲 Topanga vs. 🐍 Rockstar Miami: two childhoods collide12:00 — ⚠️ Eating disorder years + New York move, acting school15:00 — 🎬 Indie starts → X-Men, Divergent17:30 — 🌊 Big Little Lies breakout (we relive the theme song moment)19:10 — 🦇 The Batman = cultural cementing21:00 — 🎥 Director era: Blink Twice (née Pussy Island)24:00 — 💄 YSL muse energy + “getting ready” vibe check26:00 — 🫶 Inner circle: Taylor, Rihanna, Miley (and the snake story)29:00 — 💘 Dating timeline speed-run (Penn, Drake, Fassbender, etc.)37:00 — 💍 Paris wedding vibes → divorce → Channing arc (engaged ’23, split ’24) #294 Ep Nepo Babies Deep Dive44:00 — 🗞️ Mini “scandals”: Oscars caption, the resurfaced Jaden quote49:00 — 📣 Ad Break (Macy’s Fall Guide) #294 Ep Nepo Babies Deep Dive52:00 — 🎼 Gracie origin: the journaler with a piano, LA → Barnard56:30 — 😬 First shows + nerves, why the songs land60:00 — 🎧 “I Miss You, I’m Sorry” becomes a thing63:00 — 🫶 Sour tour → ERAS opener, Taylor collab “Us”68:00 — 🔥 Fire blanket PSA (lol but actually helpful)72:00 — 🕸️ The friend/love web: Olivia, Phoebe, Paul Mescal, etc. #294 Ep Nepo Babies Deep Dive85:00 — 🏁 Wrap + who we should deep-dive nextBooking.com: Book today on the site or in the app!Clean Safe Products: Go to Cleansafeproducts.com/POP for $15 off the world’s easiest soft surface cleaning solution.Cozy Earth Direct: Head to cozyearth.com and use our code POP for 40% off!Macy’s: Shop at macys.com or in stores now!Quince: Go to Quince.com/apologist for free shipping on your order and 365-day returns.Wayfair: Wayfair.com Wayfair. Every style. Every home.Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

🎙️ Episode SummarySisters catch-up (👗 wardrobe wars + ✈️ travel dread), Meta’s new auto-dubbing weirdness 🤯, Meghan’s jam saga 🍓, Ireland Baldwin’s love letter to Hilaria ❤️, Pamela + Liam—PR or passion? 👀, Kyle & Mauricio’s family vibes at Alexia’s wedding 💍, Kendall & Gigi’s Vogue cowgirl cover 🐎👒, Kate’s rapid un-blonding 💇‍♀️, Taylor’s understated ring price 💍💸, the wild Turkey height-reduction surgery trend 🦵, and a deep dive on The Cut’s “Forever 35 Face” facelift wave 🧖‍♀️.⏱️ Chapter Timestamps00:00 — Plunging necklines 👗, sister outfit politics, and setting the vibe03:30 — Long-haul Hawaii flight fear 🌺: meds, meals, and economy survival09:30 — Meta auto-dubbing our reels 🎥: mouths match, voices cloned12:15 — Meghan’s jam: the refund that arrived… open 😳16:00 — Ireland Baldwin’s glowing ode to Hilaria ❤️21:00 — Pamela Anderson & Liam Neeson: PR stunt or real fling? 🔥24:30 — WWHL night out + Maude Apatow memory lane 🍸28:00 — Kyle & Mauricio walk Alexia down the aisle 💍👨‍👩‍👧32:00 — Vogue cover: Kendall & Gigi’s ranch chic 🌾 vs. “too cool” debate41:00 — Kate Middleton un-blondes back to brunette 💇‍♀️45:30 — Taylor’s vintage-style ring 💍: why the $250k estimate makes sense48:00 — Turkey’s height-reduction surgeries 🦵😬53:00 — The Cut’s “Forever 35 Face”: facelifts at 35?! 🧖‍♀️Clean Simple Eats: 20% off at CleanSimpleEats.com/POPAPOLOGISTS20Macy's: Shop at macys.com or in stores now.EarlyBird CBD: Visit EarlyBirdCBD.com and use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 20% offBooking.com: Book today on the site or in the app.Progressive: Visit Progressive.com to see if you could save on car insurance.Nature’s Sunshine: Go to naturessunshine.com and use the code POP at checkout for 20% off.Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Therapy can wait—pop culture can’t. Lauren and Chanler unpack With Love, Megan (why José Andrés is the missing co-host), the Pamela Anderson × Liam Neeson “PR bake-off,” why couple-prank TikToks feel like Dante’s 9th circle, a viral aesthetician chemical-peel horror story, Brittany Mahomes’ 30th with Taylor in Nashville vs. Selena’s Cabo bachelorette, and the latest Kris Jenner/Corey Gamble breakup rumblings. Tech gremlins struck mid-record…so we’re unlocking our joyous Taylor Swift × Travis Kelce engagement special (timeline, ring, and Ed Kelsey revelations). Vote in our Spotify poll for next deep dive!Chapter Timestamps00:00 — Therapist on hold; Lauren’s solo PR weekend & With Love, Megan ☕️02:30 — Why the show needs a high-energy foil (enter José Andrés) ✨05:00 — Pamela × Liam: PR stunt…or PR about a PR stunt? 🎬14:00 — TikTok “I pranked my husband” couples = actual nightmare 📱19:30 — The Beverly Hills chemical-peel disaster & safety PSA 🧪24:10 — Brittany’s 30th: Taylor in Nashville vs. Selena’s Cabo trip 🎉27:10 — Kris & Corey rumor mill, NDAs, and “payday” threats 💼34:00 — Tech issues → unlocked: Taylor & Travis engagement special 💍35:30 — Backyard proposal, timeline, and first reactions 🥂38:00 — Chandler sees the engagement news mid–Q&A, Lauren in therapy 📱41:00 — Group chat chaos: only two on FaceTime at first 🫠43:30 — Champagne at 10 a.m.; heteronormative jokes & name-change debate 🍾47:00 — Proposal vibe: private, cozy, not performative 🌳50:00 — Engagement timeline decoded: why now ⏳52:30 — Ed Kelsey’s viral quote: “She was getting antsy” 🗣️55:00 — Reading the photos: backyard setting, candid feel 📸58:00 — Headphone-crease Easter egg & Swiftie sleuthing 🔍1:01:00 — Why Travis works: antidote to Taylor’s brooding-artist exes ❤️1:04:00 — The ring: vintage aesthetic, Swift-coded style 💎1:08:00 — Family lore: Swift & Kelsey group chat reactions 👨‍👩‍👧‍👦1:11:00 — Wrapping the joy: Taylor’s new “domestic, happy” era 🌟1:12:00 — Proposal vibes revisited: cozy backyard details 🌳1:15:00 — Timing theories: career windows, 2-year milestone, tour break ⏰1:18:00 — Ed Kelsey quote unpacked: Swiftie reactions 🗣️1:22:00 — Close-reading leaked pics: candid vibes & headphone crease 📸1:26:00 — Why Travis balances Taylor’s past loves ❤️1:30:00 — Ring deep dive: cut, carat, vintage inspiration 💍1:34:00 — Family group chat lore & reactions 👨‍👩‍👧‍👦1:38:00 — Wrapping with joy: Taylor’s fairytale moment 🌟1:41:00 — Engagement euphoria cool-down: what this means for her next era ✨1:47:00 — Back to With Love, Meghan: struggle to fill content, “thank God for Taylor’s engagement” 🥂1:48:00 — Brutal timing: teaser same day as New Heights pod + engagement on premiere 📺💔1:49:00 — Not “Meghan-coded,” just bad luck; no Harry, only crew at finale 🎥1:49:30 — Meghan × cameraman (glasses guy) = more chemistry than guests 😂👓1:50:00 — Rosewater spray = rare fun sparkle ✨🌹 → sign-off: “Love you guys, see you Wednesday!”Booking.com. Booking.YEAH!Macy’s: Shop now at macys.com or in stores now!Progressive: Try the Auto Quote Explorer at progressive.comBetterHelp: This is an advertisement from Better Help. Our listeners get 10% off their first month at BetterHelp.com/POPAPOLOGISTSCozy Earth: Visit CozyEarth.com for 40% off with code POPHero Bread: 10% off using code POP at hero.coQuince: Go to Quince.com/apologist for 365-day returns, plus free shipping on your order!Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Gwyneth wipes her IG avatar and drops a cinematic “new chapter” reel—memoir incoming? We connect the dots, then dive into that Ben Affleck discourse (technically excellent… and reportedly livid). Next up: Burning Man déjà-dust, Zoë Kravitz’s very public summer (Harry Styles, Austin Butler), and the legendary “snake in Taylor’s bathroom” story. Serena Williams opens up about GLP-1s and a Ro partnership, we unpack the optics, and we parse those Wayfarer/Justin Baldoni court docs everyone’s calling a “smear campaign” against Blake Lively. Finally, RHOSLC’s chaotic trailer and a very cute 30th birthday recap. Buckle in. 00:00 Intro & studio glow-up + brunette banter 💡💇‍♀️04:00 Burning Man dust-storm PTSD & “art cars are… floats?” 🌪️🚐15:00 Gwyneth’s IG wipe + collage reel: is it a book? 📖✨19:00 Ben Affleck “livid” over bedroom chatter (Amy Odell tie-in) 😳☕️25:00 Zoë x Harry (and Austin), hotness rankings, boyish vs. broad 🌶️💋32:00 Taylor Swift snake story: bathroom demolition for a reptile 🐍🛁36:00 Serena Williams on GLP-1s + Ro partnership: destigmatize or #ad? 💉🏅39:00 Chandler turns 30: art, rings, and three massive bouquets 🎂🎁43:00 Wayfarer/“smear” headlines vs. what the docs actually say ⚖️📄47:00 RHOSLC trailer chaos: powdered wigs & pointed reads 🥶🍷50:00 Meghan Markle chatter: rebrands, shade, and Sussex fatigue 👑📰See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

From a brazen Food52 embezzlement to Meghan’s Netflix “first-look” spin, plus Margaret Qualley’s cringe moment, K-Fed’s tell-all, Leo’s eternal 32—and the nothing-burger “dark truth” about Pooky & Jet. 00:00 🎧 — Cold open: today’s menu01:00 🎂 — Chan turns 30 (homebody chic)05:20 🍞 — Food52 scandal: Studio 52, luxe receipts, and “how did no one notice?” 12:30 👑 — Meghan’s trailer vs. Taylor’s takeover (and why the vibes feel copy-paste S1) 18:40 📺 — The jukebox-parlor music bit & what would actually make Meghan’s show pop 23:10 📰 — Netflix “first-look” explained (not a fat renewal—here’s what it really means) 27:20 🎤 — Margaret Qualley’s awkward answer about Taylor & Jack (tone tells all) 31:00 📚 — K-Fed’s tell-all and Sam Asghari’s “professional father” crack 35:10 💬 — Why “full-time dad” ≠ hero arc (context matters) 36:30 🕺 — Leo “feels 32” (and the obvious joke) 39:45 💑 — Pooky & Jet: the “dark truth” that wasn’t (performative ≠ sinister) 45:00 🧳 — Lightning round: what show should the Sussexes actually make?Booking.com. Booking.YEAH!BetterHelp: This is an advertisement from Betterhelp. Our listeners get 10% off their first month at BetterHelp.com/POPAPOLOGISTSMacy’s: Shop now at macys.com or in stores now!Quince: Go to Quince.com/apologist for 365-day returns, plus free shipping on your order!Progressive: Try the Auto Quote Explorer at progressive.comCozy Earth: Visit CozyEarth.com for 40% off with code POPPlease note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Taylor Swift just hijacked the entire Pop Apologists docket — and Chanler & Lauren are living for it! From cryptic orange sparkles to a khaki skirt, a mint briefcase, and one very un-Swift-like F-bomb, the girls deep-dive every Easter egg, theory, and reveal surrounding TS12. Plus, a swoon-worthy GQ profile of Travis Kelce, the TikTok saga that broke their brains, and a dash of celeb vow renewal gossip to round it out.Timestamps:00:00 – 🎤 TS12 announcement reactions & New Heights teaser07:00 – 🎶 Album sound rumors & producer lineup15:00 – 📀 Release date theories & cover art leaks20:00 – 🎧 Why Taylor choosing a podcast is a power move25:00 – 🕵️‍♀️ Easter eggs that led to TS1235:00 – 🎭 Album title debate: Life of a Showgirl39:00 – 📋 Playlist clues & production style predictions40:00 – 📰 Travis Kelce’s GQ profile & relationship insights47:00 – 💪 Travis on Taylor’s work ethic & humility53:00 – 🏈 Childhood, family values & shared backgrounds57:00 – 💍 Nicola Peltz & Brooklyn Beckham vow renewal59:00 – 🌀 “I Fell in Love with My Psychiatrist” TikTok deep diveBooking.com. Booking.YEAH!Clean Simple Eats: 10% off at CleanSimpleEats.com/POPAPOLOGISTSMacy’s: Shop the Big Home Sale at macys.com or in stores now!EarlyBird CBD: Visit EarlyBirdCBD.com and use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 20% offProgressive: Try the Auto Quote Explorer at progressive.comWayfair: Head to Wayfair dot com right now to shop all things Home. Wayfair. Every style. Every home.Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Gwyneth Paltrow might be one of the most beautiful, hated, privileged, and mystifying celebrities alive—and this week, Chanler sits down with journalist and author Amy Odell to unpack it all. From Oscar meltdowns to Goop jade eggs and $200K necklaces, the girls dig into what makes Gwyneth so adored… and so triggering.(00:00:00) 📚  Introduction to Gwyneth: The Biography by Amy Odell (00:01:55) 👸 Why choose Gwyneth Paltrow for the next biography? (00:05:20) 💎 Her Oscar win & the $200K necklace (00:09:01) 🏡 The bubble of her bi-coastal, wealthy childhood (00:11:47) 🎭 From dramatic roles to comedic flops (00:17:55) 🔥 What Gwyneth represents and why she is a trigger to some (00:24:36) 🧠 Goop work culture and employee drama (00:29:39) 🛍️ The future of Goop and the Target line failure (00:39:27) 🧾 Insights on the 220 people interviewed for the biography (00:42:32) 🎬 Growing up in the shadow of Bruce Paltrow and Blythe Danner (00:59:32) 💘 Gwyneth’s love interests throughout the yearsBooking.com. Booking.YEAH!Clean Simple Eats: 10% off at CleanSimpleEats.com/POPAPOLOGISTSMacy’s: Shop the Big Home Sale at macys.com or in stores now!BetterHelp: Our listeners get 10% off their first month at BetterHelp.com/POPAPOLOGISTSCozy Earth: Visit CozyEarth.com for 40% off with code POPHero Bread: 10% off using code POP at hero.coEarlyBird CBD: Visit EarlyBirdCBD.com and use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 20% offProgressive: Try the Auto Quote Explorer at progressive.com Quince: Go to Quince.com/apologist for 365-day returns, plus free shipping on your order!Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Lauren’s back from Italy and just in time — because Travis dropped a 13-photo grid hard launching Taylor that basically broke the internet. Chanler catches her up on every sparkly-filtered slide. The girls question if this could mean wedding bells? And the real reason so many brands chimed in on the comment section.(00:00:00) ✈️ Postcards from Italy — Lauren’s friend-filled vacation and her texting boundaries abroad (00:06:28) 💑 Taylor & Travis Go Public — 13 photos, soft-launch culture, and the wholesome vibes of each pic (00:19:07) 📱 The Filter Debate — Sparkly edits, signature cameras, and why Taylor’s aesthetic never changes (00:20:20) 🏰 Chrishell & G Flip’s Third Wedding — Medieval theme, guest fatigue, and how to lose friends annually (00:23:48) 😬 Beckham Family Feud — Cursed Notes, Instagram blocks, awkward weddings, and very public shade (00:36:18) 🚤 Yacht Wars — $16M vs. billionaire-level $400M boats, and Sir Elton’s peacekeeping tour (00:44:05) 🔭 The Coldplay Kiss-Cam Scandal — Public makeouts, lawsuits, and the downfall of Astronomer (00:51:00) 🌿 Gwyneth’s Surprise Cameo — Her comedic timing, rumored $2M payout, and the copper-fit hustle (00:56:20) 🧼 Goop vs. Rhode — Hailey Bieber’s billion-dollar exit vs. Gwyneth’s grind (00:58:00) 📣 What’s Next — Matty Healy’s mom, Katy Perry, Sydney Sweeney and more coming in Friday’s Global Elite episodeBetterHelp: Our listeners get 10% off their first month at BetterHelp.com/POPAPOLOGISTS EarlyBird CBD: Visit EarlyBirdCBD.com and use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 20% offPlease note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

In this bonus episode, Chanler is joined by her husband Ben and their wedding planner, Laura from Love, Laura. We discuss what it actually takes to plan a wedding that feels intentional, elevated, and true to you. From walking away from their original venue to rethinking the wedding party altogether, this conversation goes deep on the emotional, logistical, and aesthetic realities of modern wedding planning — with expert advice from Laura herself.Check out Love, Laura on Instagram www.instagram.com/lovelauraevents Check out Love, Laura events www.lovelaura.co (00:00:00) 💍 Where to Start — the foundation of a great wedding and why your planner actually matters(00:08:32) 🥂 Defining Your Style — avoiding trend traps, trusting your gut, and staying true to your vision(00:16:40) 🎻 Making It Meaningful — how to create a ceremony that feels intimate, not performative(00:22:13) 🪑 The Guest List Equation — setting boundaries, navigating family politics, and curating with intention(00:28:48) 🧠 Avoiding the Spiral — decision fatigue, emotional overload, and how to reset when it gets too much(00:37:05) 👗 Dress Wisdom — why it’s okay to change your mind, and how to find a look you actually feel good in(00:43:41) 📸 Capturing the Moment — trusting your team, letting go of the shot list, and being present(00:52:20) 💒 Final Advice — Laura’s golden rule, Ben’s hot take, and the one thing every bride should prioritizePlease note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

This week, Lauren and Chanler sit down with the legendary jewelry designer, Jade Trau, for a glimmering deep dive into the art of jewelry that empowers, carries memories, and actually fits your lifestyle. From self-gifting diamond bracelets to refreshing engagement rings, this episode is a masterclass in fine jewelry. ✨Check out Jade Trau jadetrau.com Use code POPAPOLOGISTS at checkout for 10% off your orderCozy Earth: Go to cozyearth.com and use code POP for 40% off best-selling temperature-regulating sheets, apparel, and more.Hero Bread: Go to hero.co and use code POP at checkout to get 10% off your order.Quince: Go to Quince.com/apologist for free shipping on your order and 365 dayreturns.CashApp Download Today: https://click.cash.app/ui6m/5bx4lt9z #CashAppPodAs a Cash App partner, I may earn a commission when you sign up for a Cash App account. Cash App is a financial services platform, not a bank. Banking services provided by Cash App’s bank partner(s). Prepaid debit cards issued by Sutton Bank, Member FDIC. Visit cash.app/legal/podcast for full disclosures.(00:00:00) 💎 The Roman Empire Is Real — Lauren’s obsession with Jade, push presents, and showroom dreams(00:10:05) 🎯 Imposter Syndrome & Value — deciding to do the thing anyway(00:18:34) 💍 Jewelry As Identity — self-purchasing women, wearable power, and middle finger diamonds(00:28:41) 🌎 Jewelry & Sustainability — vintage stones, timelessness, and why it’s not like fast fashion(00:36:12) ✨ Where to Start — fine jewelry 101: ears first, personality always(00:39:48) 🧠 Styling with Intention — when jewelry feels like you, and why that’s everything(00:44:55) 💘 Engagement Ring Refresh — what’s trending (or not), and how to reimagine your forever(00:55:40) 🚩 Red Flags — what to watch for in quality, materials, and brandsPlease note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

From crayon-sketched love letters to a full-blown national manhunt, Lauren and Chanler unravel the sharpest left turn in Pop Apologists history. What starts as a casual Bin Laden doc spiral turns into a CIA-level obsession, a George Bush fangirl confession, and an unhinged (but stunning) PR breakdown of America’s longest-running villain arc.BetterHelp: Our listeners get 10% off their first month at BetterHelp.com/POPAPOLOGISTS Wayfair: Shop outdoor furniture, grills, lawn games, and WAY more for WAY less. Head to Wayfair.com right now to explore a HUGE outdoor selection.Progressive: Give it a try at Progressive.com (00:00:00)💍 Next Week Teasers — Courtney Grow, Sam from Sauce Media, and Chanler’s wedding planner ep reveal(00:05:00) 🎯 Why Bin Laden? — Netflix recs, moral anxiety, and Obama’s situation room doc teaser(00:08:30) 👳‍♂️ Osama Bin Laden Origins — Billionaire roots, Mecca PR flops, and why he ghosted Saudi royalty(00:14:10) 💣 First Attacks + Fatwas — The Kenya and Tanzania embassy bombings and FBI’s first miss(00:22:55) 🕊️ 9/11 Memories — Living in New York post-attack, national grief, and the last time we all agreed on something(00:24:10) 💌 Chanler’s Letter to George Bush — American flags, colored pencils, and “wonderful presidents”(00:36:00) 🕵️‍♀️ The Woman Behind the Win — Torture, aliases, and the analyst who refused to let go(00:43:25) 📊 Obama’s Big Call — Debating the odds, scheduling the raid, and the worst neighbors ever(00:48:05) 🔫 The Kill Shot — 40 minutes, a hallway, and the quietest end to a global obsessionPlease note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

It’s a LadyGang x Pop Apologists crossover! No dating dilemma is safe. Lauren and Chanler join forces with Becca, Keltie, and Jac to break down the ultimate red flags in a man. Everything from mattress-on-the-floor energy to exes who still use Snapchat. They swap stories about musicians with “permanent rizz,” weigh in on cat dads, cargo pants, and settle the debate once and for all: Can a man be too outdoorsy? 💌 Check out Lady World Festival: ladyworld.co🎧 Listen to the LadyGang podcast: LadyGangEarlybird: Visit EarlyBirdCBD.com and use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 20% offQuince: Go to Quince.com/apologist for free shipping on your order and 365 returnsCozy Earth: Go to cozyearth.com and use code POP for 40% offProgressive: Give it a try at Progressive.com(00:00:00) 🎙️ The Girlies Meet — LadyGang joins the Pop Apologists for a red flag reckoning(00:03:00) 🎸 Dating the Same Guy from Panic! at the Disco — Mutual exes, fan blogs, and teen heartbreak origins(00:06:00) 🧠 Does Musician Rizz Expire? — Hot now, not later, and the Mark McGrath paradox(00:09:15) 🧢 Cargo Pants + Brad Falchuk — Gwyneth’s husband, Roman Empires, and unexpected green flags(00:11:50) 📱 Reels, Ring Lights, and the Male Influencer Ick — Social media addiction as a red flag(00:17:00) 🛋️ Furniture Fails + Red Flag Decor — Gaming chairs, mom co-signs, and bean bag nightmares(00:22:00) 📸 Venmos, Vibes, and Financial Reality Checks — Mint accounts, fake entrepreneurs, and how to math the math(00:28:30) 🏕️ Camping Trauma + Capitalism Compatibility — Tarps, canyons, and the war on flip flops(00:35:40) 🧾 Prenups, Debt Reveals, and the $10 Million Lie — Financial transparency vs. love blindness(00:44:55) 💔 Do Men Ever Change? — Ryan Ross, Jax Taylor, and the myth of the reformed cheater(00:47:10) 👻 Snapchat and Other Modern Red Flags — Disappearing messages, ex-girlfriend mysteries, and online horniness(00:48:40) 🔨 Sam Asghari: General Contractor Edition — Why construction jobs might be the new green flag(00:50:10) 💋 Do He Go Down Though? — Oral reciprocity, period squeamishness, and what it says about himPlease note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

This week, the ultimate chaos agent Jessi Ngatikaura joins Lauren and Chanler to talk about fame, friendship feuds, and what really goes down behind the scenes of Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. From business blow-ups to relationship red flags, Jessi doesn’t hold back—and neither do your hosts. 💅Check out Jessi on Instagram @jessijayngatikauraCheck out Jessi’s Hair Salon www.jzstyles.com (00:00:00) 🎥 Behind the Curtain — What Jessi didn’t expect when the show dropped, and how Utah reacted IRL.(00:04:58) 💇‍♀️ Faith, Hair, and Fallout — Running a business in Utah County, balancing Mormon expectations, and bracing for public backlash.(00:10:58) 📉 Jen & Zac’s Messy Arc — Church drama, text receipts, and one unexpected redemption arc.(00:14:50) 💬 Taylor Frankie Paul: Icon or Chaos? — Jessi’s real-life friendship with Taylor, her thoughts on Dakota, and what we didn’t see on camera.(00:18:30) 💥 Hairgate + Demigeddon — What really went down at Saints & Sinners, and why one healing session couldn’t fix the betrayal.(00:26:00) 🧪 Layla, Miranda, and the Spicy Cast Additions — Who brought it, who played it safe, and what’s coming next.(00:32:10) 🔄 Mormon Marriage + Glow-Ups — Jessi on her thyroid surgery, plastic surgery transparency, and the cultural double standards in Utah.(00:38:40) 🔮 Swinging Culture + Mormon Complications — Upside-down pineapples, spiritual loopholes, and what the church says (or doesn’t) about ketamine.(00:43:15) ⚔️ Mikayla vs. Whitney — Feuds, fractures, and where Jessi sees it all heading next season.(00:46:40) 🧁 MomTok Constitution? — Breadwinners, Botox, and redefining Mormon motherhood on TikTok.(00:50:05) 📣 Viewer DMs Save Lives — How Jessi caught a thyroid issue thanks to vigilant fans, and what her recovery journey looked like.Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Lauren and Chanler spiral through the chaos of quitting corporate life, the psychosis of mushroom pilots, and why Planet Bibi wants you to orgasm for an hour. They unpack Meghan and Harry’s long game (including a 2027 olive branch??), compare two wildly tone-deaf weddings, and read anonymous Hampton confessions that will make you think twice before trusting any Birkin. Plus: what Alex Cooper’s doc revealed, and how a TikTok account inspires Lauren.Check out our amazing sponsors:Clean Simple Eats: Shop CleanSimpleEats.com and use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 10% off!Earlybird: Visit EarlyBirdCBD.com and use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 20% off.Rocket Money: Reach your financial goals faster with Rocket Money. RocketMoney.com/POPThrive Market: Head over to ThriveMarket.com/POP to get 30% off your first order and a FREE $60 gift.(00:00) 🧠 Chanler’s Meta exit, full-time freedom, and reclaiming her brain(08:05) ✈️ Plane crash psychosis + how to boof your way out of a nosedive(13:02) 🍄 Pilot on mushrooms and Lauren’s derealization trip in Mexico(19:07) 💦 Planet Bibi's 25 orgasms + bedroom ergonomics exposed(23:04) 🎧 Alex Cooper’s doc, her stalker coach, and becoming a one-woman media empire(29:01) 🎙️ Meghan Markle ends her podcast (again) + Emma Grede keeps it real(32:46) 👑 Meghan & Harry’s 2027 olive branch, royal family freeze-out, and Charles shade(36:55) 💒 Blake’s plantation wedding backlash + Bezos & Lauren’s chaotic Venice plans(41:01) 📱 Taylor and Blake’s texts ruled admissible—what are they hiding?(44:46) 🏛️ Daily Dose Donna’s site visit + Blake’s wedding venue in question(51:21) 💼 Hamptons club debt, fake Birkins, and financial denial in zip code 11937Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

This one’s for the girls who grew up on TRL, cried to Fearless, and low-key still know all the words to “He Could Be the One.” Nora Princiotti joins Lauren and Chanler to talk about the evolution of authenticity in pop, Miley’s totally unfiltered bombshells, and whether Taylor Swift might be pulling off the greatest long game in music history.Check out Nora’s book and podcast here:📖 Hit Girls by Nora Princiotti🎧 Every Single AlbumCheck out our amazing sponsors:Clean Simple Eats: Shop CleanSimpleEats.com and use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 10% off!Earlybird: Visit EarlyBirdCBD.com and use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 20% off.Cozy Earth: Go to cozyearth.com and use code POP for 40% off best-selling temperature-regulating sheets, apparel, and more.Progressive: Visit Progressive.com to see if you could save on car insurance.Quince: Go to Quince.com/apologist for 365-day returns, plus free shipping on your order!Nutrafol: For a limited time, Nutrafol is offering our listeners $10 off your first month’s subscription and free shipping when you go to Nutrafol.com and enter the promo code POP.(00:00) 🎤 Introduction — Meet Nora Princiotti and the book that rewrites pop history: Hit Girls.(04:58) 👩‍🎤 Authenticity in Pop — Ashlee Simpson, Avril Lavigne, and why being “real” became a trap.(10:22) 🎧 Poptimism vs Rockism — What’s “real music” anyway? We dive into the early 2000s’ biggest culture war.(19:00) 🌸 Interviewing Miley Cyrus — Nora’s interview with Miley, unfiltered stories, and emotional honesty from the popstar.(26:00) 💿 Miley Album Recs — Where to start if you’ve only heard “Flowers” and “Party in the U.S.A.”(36:10) 🎶 “Since U Been Gone” — The story behind Kelly Clarkson’s scream-your-heart-out hit and the pop comeback no one saw coming.(43:56) 🪩 Taylor Swift — The rerecords, the rage, and her business plays... Did she devalue her own masters on purpose?(47:58) 👑 Brat Summer & Cowboy Carter — Cultural saturation, chart performance, and what we’re actually listening to.Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

If you like chaos, congratulations, this episode is tailor-made for you. We’ve got major courtroom drama in the Blake Lively vs Justin Baldoni case, Taylor Swift blending into Travis Kelce’s family wedding, Meghan Markle twerking (?), and a manifestation debate no one asked for. Plus, the woo-woo polyamory breakdown that needs to be studied.(00:00) 👩🏼‍⚖️ Blake Lively vs. Justin Baldoni - Court bombshells, conspiracy theories, and one very shady filing.(12:59) 💍 Taylor Swift at Travis Kelce’s Family Wedding - We’re talking dresses, dancing, and… was that a Swiftie infiltration?(19:46) 👑 Meghan Markle’s Hospital Dance Video - Is it cute or is it cringe? Discuss.(26:13) 🌻 Hailey Bieber’s Therapeutic Summer - Instagram captions don’t lie. We decode.(31:59) 🍼 Lauren Bostick Manifested Motherhood - What she said about fertility broke the internet. Let’s unpack.(42:28) 🔥 Expanded Monogamy, Burning Man, and The Goddess Pipeline - Truly one of the craziest things we’ve ever covered. Brandy Melville models involved.Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode.Rocket Money: Reach your money goals faster with Rocket Moneyat RocketMoney.com/POP #sponsored For more Pop Apologists, follow along at:@popapologists on InstagramPop Apologists on YouTubeTo support the show, consider subscribing on Patreon or anywhere you listen to podcasts, where you can get bonus episodes of Pop Apologists every Monday and Friday!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Chanler’s back from the flight from hell—complete with zero legroom, tarmac heat, and a bralette breakdown. Lauren lands from St. Barth and immediately roasts the snack box struggle. The sisters debrief their Juicy Scoop appearance, dish on Brooklyn upgrades, and dive into the latest Karen Read courtroom twists. Then it’s The Valley's most overblown scandal (a pantry tequila swig??), Blake Lively’s legal backpedaling, Taylor Swift’s mini dress moment, and why Ubah’s fiancé might be the hottest man in Bravo history.Timestamps:[00:00] ✈️ Flight from Hell — Chanler barely survives United's final row with no AC, no food, and full claustrophobia. She strips. Literally.[10:00] 🎤 Juicy Scoop & Jet Lag — Post-interview blackout and a proud sister moment over their Heather McDonald appearance.[11:30] 🏡 Brooklyn Era Incoming — Chanler shares details on her dreamy new apartment: double square footage and heated bathroom floors.[15:00] ⚖️ Karen Read Trial Gets Messier — FBI investigations, hostile witnesses, and a town with collective amnesia. It’s getting wild.[20:00] 🍾 Pantrygate on The Valley — Did a secret tequila swig mean more? Janet stirs the pot hard and the girls call BS on the drinking drama.[25:00] 💔 Jesse & Michelle Meltdown — Jesse’s verbal abuse, Michelle’s glow-up, and why divorce might’ve saved her personality.[28:00] 🧾 Blake Lively's Legal Retreat — She’s trying to drop the emotional distress claim—but keep her options open? We see you, Blake.[33:00] 🎭 Sutton Foster Steps Out (Silently) — Hugh Jackman’s girlfriend skips the press line while Deborra-Lee Furness drops spiritual shade.[36:00] 👠 Taylor Swift at Monkey Bar — Black mini dress, diamond tennis bracelet, and... platform heels? The girls weigh in on the look.[40:00] 👙 Bethenny’s Bikini Clapback — Bethenny hits the swimwear runway and defends her “cute tush.” The sisters are divided.[45:00] 🩻 Kylie’s Boob Job Details — 450cc, moderate profile, under the muscle. Kylie finally shares her plastic surgery specs.[50:00] 💍 Ubah Gets Her Man — Ubah Hassan’s new fiancé is hot, tall, and rich. Chanler is unwell. Jill Zarin thinks it’s divine intervention.[55:00] 💔 Lauren Sanchez Grace Clause — Why does Sutton get heat but Lauren Sanchez gets worshipped? The girls make their case.Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode.For more Pop Apologists, follow along at:@popapologists on InstagramPop Apologists on YouTubeTo support the show, consider subscribing on Patreon or anywhere you listen to podcasts, where you can get bonus episodes of Pop Apologists every Monday and Friday!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

This week, Lauren and Chanler are coming to you from full LA trip prep mode. From Beyoncé's celestial performance to Mormon Wives chaos, they're breaking down the biggest stories. Expect mystery, mom drama, reality TV breakdowns, and one very bold Vogue request.• [00:00] 🎬 Packing, filming, and a camera setup saga—plus, why Chanler is unusually zen pre-LA• [07:46] 🎤 Beyoncé’s LA concert: iconic cameos, wardrobe wins, and a soft launch for Jay-Z's redemption arc?• [13:46] ⚖️ Karen Read trial deep dive: conspiracies, Facebook moms, and a possible swingers' night with a garage door guy• [24:11] 🥃 Sandy Cohen, The OC, and an unforgettable party moment involving a very lost wristwatch• [26:51] 📺 Secret Lives of Mormon Wives: friendship fallouts, glam mom interventions, and shifting alliances on-screen• [39:21] ✂️ Book deals, hair-related shade, and the moment the group chat energy shifted on camera• [41:41] 🍼 Emotions run high with a pregnancy reveal and a redemption arc that hits surprisingly hard• [47:11] 💍 Engagement rumors swirl as an NFL legend updates his yacht name and sparks internet theories• [50:11] 👑 Meghan Markle’s alleged pitch to be on every Vogue cover—and what reportedly happened next• [53:41] 🧾 Brittany Bateman’s legal drama heats up—featuring lawsuits, former friends, and court filings• [56:51] 💸 Dakota Johnson talks rent struggles, career rejections, and what “making it” actually looked likePlease note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode.OneSkin: Get 15% off OneSkin with the code Popapologists at https://www.oneskin.co/ #oneskinpod #sponsoredFor more Pop Apologists, follow along at:@popapologists on InstagramPop Apologists on YouTubeTo support the show, consider subscribing on Patreon or anywhere you listen to podcasts, where you can get a bonus episode of Pop Apologists every Monday and Friday!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Fresh off their Ballerina Farm pilgrimage, the girls are back—and chaos reigns. Lauren and Chanler unpack the alleged threat Blake Lively’s legal team made against Taylor Swift (yes, the one about exposing 10 years of private texts 😳). Then it’s a deep dive into the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives: ketamine therapy, family betrayal, facelifts, and MomTok delusions. Plus, major developments in the Karen Read trial and Cassie Ventura’s devastating testimony in the Diddy case. You’re not ready. 👀⏱️ Chapter Timestamps:[00:00–01:00] 🐄 Back from Ballerina Farm: A recap of their visit to Utah with Courtney Grow[01:00–13:00] 💔 Taylor vs. Blake: The alleged threat, the fallout, and the godmother betrayal[13:00–16:00] 👀 Travis Kelsey unfollows Ryan, Reputation (TV) hints, and the AMAs theory[16:00–44:00] 🎬 Secret Lives of Mormon Wives S2: Taylor’s heartbreak, toxic parents, and ketamine therapy[44:00–45:30] ✈️ PSA: Why Provo dating is a danger zone[45:30–54:00] ⚖️ Karen Read trial update: Discredited expert testimony, taillight confusion, and police cover-up concerns[54:00–55:30] 😠 Sgt. Yuri Bucha's shady performance on the stand[55:30–01:02:00] 💣 Diddy trial: Cassie’s testimony, freak off allegations, and the breakdown of his decade-long abuse[01:02:00–01:03:00] 🧠 Why this matters: justice for victims and Cassie’s stand[01:03:00–01:04:00] 🎤 Outro: Upcoming content, love for the Global Elite, and farewell until FridayPlease note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode.For more Pop Apologists, follow along at:@popapologists on InstagramPop Apologists on YouTubeTo support the show, consider subscribing on Patreon or anywhere you listen to podcasts, where you can get bonus episodes of Pop Apologists every Monday and Friday!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Lauren and Chanler’s dad, a family law attorney, returns to share legal wisdom on divorce, prenups, and child support, plus wild stories like chasing stolen goods. They reflect on their LDS upbringing, raising five daughters, and pursuing dreams at any age.⏱️ Timestamps[00:00–02:00] 🎙️ Dad’s ReturnListener love brings Dad back.[02:00–04:00] 💕 Deb’s FriendshipDad cherishes his 42-year marriage.[04:00–09:00] 👧 Raising DaughtersMom’s strictness, faith, and reading shaped success.[09:00–10:00] ⚖️ Baby NamesCourts don’t block odd names.[10:00–13:00] 💸 Income LiesFight ex’s fraud; ditch shady lawyers.[13:00–17:00] 🕵️‍♂️ Attorney ChoicePick specialists, trust gut, watch judges.[17:00–19:00] 💳 Blocked AccountsLawyer up for support orders.[19:00–21:00] 💼 Post-Divorce WorkBoth spouses must work; skills matter.[21:00–23:00] 😈 Bad BehaviorAffairs rarely affect no-fault divorce.[23:00–27:00] 👨‍👧 Five GirlsDad navigated hormones; Mom was strict.[27:00–30:00] 💔 Divorce TipsSeek faith, a friend; try saving marriage.[30:00–33:00] 📈 Impulsive DivorcesMore common, but kids suffer.[33:00–38:00] ⚖️ Law PathStarted law at 30 with three kids.[38:00–41:00] 🚀 Chase DreamsPursue goals at any age.[41:00–44:00] 📝 PrenupsFair prenups share future earnings.[44:00–48:00] 🧗‍♀️ College DaysLauren’s risky dates; sisters’ server jobs.[48:00–50:00] 🦅 Daughters’ PathsAll chose bold careers, not law.[50:00–52:00] 💡 New CareersNursing, paralegal, sales for reentry.[52:00–57:00] 🚨 Wild TalesLimo attorney; stolen goods chase.[57:00–59:00] 💰 Greed’s CostHidden assets don’t pay off.[59:00–01:01:00] 🌟 No StatusRaised valuing love, not pedigree.[01:01:00–End] 🎤 Sign-OffDad’s 25 followers get love.Follow: @popapologistsPlease note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode.For more Pop Apologists, follow along at:@popapologists on InstagramPop Apologists on YouTubeTo support the show, consider subscribing on Patreon or anywhere you listen to podcasts, where you can get bonus episodes of Pop Apologists every Monday and Friday!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.