Practice Disrupted by Practice of Architecture

The evolution of architectural practice has been relatively slow towards change, yet modern shifts in business and design management have prompted today’s leading architects to rethink how they work. On Practice Disrupted, Evelyn Lee, an architect, design strategist, and Senior Experience Designer at Slack, and architecture business strategy consultant, Je’Nen Chastain, set out to illuminate the future of the profession to help architects remain relevant and valuable in a changing world. They will explore how technology, cultural shifts, and emerging best practices are prompting firm owners to assess their business models and make adjustments in their studios. Each episode features an industry leader, and together our hosts will explore the new frontier of architectural practice.

220: Next Generation Leadership: How AIAS Presidents Are Building a More Human Profession

How can the next generation of architects lead us toward a more human profession?In a special episode marking the end of her term as AIA President, Evelyn Lee hosts a candid conversation about the future of architectural leadership with two emerging voices: Gilberto Lozada Baez, the 69th president of the American Institute of Architecture Students (AIAS), and Jordan Luther, the immediate past president of AIAS and the student director on the AIA board.Together, they explore leadership not as a title, but as an evolving journey shaped by mentorship, empathy, and the courage to step into uncomfortable spaces. Gilberto and Jordan share their personal paths from introverted students to national leaders, emphasizing how community support and "shoulder tapping" empowered them to find their voices. The discussion tackles the realities of entering the profession today, from navigating post-pandemic work cultures to advocating for mental health and livable wages, and debunks common misconceptions about Gen Z in the workplace.Evelyn, Gilberto, and Jordan also dive into the necessity of difficult conversations for growth, the power of authenticity in leadership, and why the profession must burst its "bubble" to become more interdisciplinary and human-centric. They envision a future where architects are seen as systems thinkers and problem solvers, leveraging technology like AI not to replace their work, but to enhance their ability to focus on high-impact, creative solutions."There's already so many exciting initiatives out there on community design, on how we're collaborating with others and bringing them into the profession. I just think it needs to settle. And I really hope to see that. I think the future of architecture is a little more human." - Gilberto Lozada BaezThis episode concludes with a shared hope for a profession that values its people as much as its projects, a profession where equity, diverse representation, and sustainable business models allow architects to thrive both in their work and their lives. It is a powerful reminder that the next generation isn't just inheriting the future of architecture; they are actively rewriting it with creativity, resilience, and heart.GuestsGilberto Lozada Baez is a Mexican architect and the 69th President of the American Institute of Architecture Students (AIAS). His work explores architecture as a process honoring ecological and cultural dynamics. His leadership spans roles in AIAS, ACSA, and the AIA Strategic Council, with a commitment to collaboration across borders.Jordan Luther is an aspiring architect and medical planner at GBBN. She is the immediate past president of AIAS and serves as the student director on the AIA board. Her work bridges design, psychology, and neuroscience, focusing on wellbeing, research, and trauma-informed design.Is This Episode for You?This episode is for you if:✅ You are an emerging professional or student navigating the transition from school to practice. ✅ You are a firm leader wanting to understand the values and expectations of the next generation. ✅ You are interested in leadership development and how introverts can thrive in public roles. ✅ You believe in a more human-centric, interdisciplinary, and equitable future for architecture. ✅ You want to learn how to have difficult conversations that lead to positive change in your firm or organization.What have you done to take action lately? Share your reflections with us on social and join the conversation.📍 Show Links:Connect with Gilberto on LinkedInConnect with Jordan on a...

12-18
53:13

219: 2025 AIA Gold Medal Award Medal Winner Deborah Berke

What does it mean to design for the greater good?In this episode of Practice Disrupted, Evelyn Lee steps back to listen as two remarkable architects have a thoughtful, candid, and deeply human conversation. You will hear from Deborah Berke, FAIA, architect, educator, founder of Tenberg, Dean of the Yale School of Architecture, and the 2025 recipient of the AIA Gold Medal. You will also hear from Arthi Krishnamoorthy, a Principal at Tenberg, whose work spans mission-driven institutions, foundations, and major academic projects.Together, they reflect on the arc of Deborah’s career, from discovering architecture at age 13 to shaping a practice grounded in collaboration, authenticity, and optimism. They explore what it means to design for the greater good, how architecture must respond to the increasing complexity of today, and why optimism remains an essential creative act. Arthi shares her own global perspective informed by her upbringing in Singapore and her deep community involvement in Queens, and how she and Deborah lead with shared values and a belief in the power of architecture to create meaningful and joyful spaces.Woven throughout the conversation is the story of Tenberg, a New York-based firm defined by its humanist approach and commitment to design that is "authentic, simple, clear, and relevant." Deborah and Arthi discuss the firm's growth, from a solo practitioner to a collective of 55 people, and the critical role that a diverse, collaborative culture plays in their success. They emphasize the responsibility of the architect to be a voice of optimism and possibility, particularly when tackling complex problems like climate change and social equity."I'm fundamentally optimistic. And I think to be an architect, you have to be optimistic. You have to believe in the future. You have to believe in the ability to change things for the better, because otherwise you can't be doing what we're doing. It's a huge creative act, but it's also an act of optimism." - Deborah BerkeThe episode concludes with a look at the future of practice, affirming that architecture remains a discipline of both beauty and responsibility. Deborah and Arthi’s conversation is a powerful reminder that enduring design is rooted in shared values, authenticity, and a sustained, optimistic belief in what buildings can do for people and communities.GuestsDeborah Berke, FAIA, LEED AP, is the founder of the New York-based firm Tenberg (formerly Deborah Berke Partners) and the Dean of the Yale School of Architecture. She is the 2025 recipient of the AIA Gold Medal, recognizing her distinguished career focused on humane, authentic, and context-driven design.Arthi Krishnamoorthy, AIA, LEED AP, is a Principal at Tenberg. Her work focuses on mission-driven projects for institutions and foundations, reflecting the firm's core values of community and design for the greater good. She is actively involved in community initiatives in Queens, New York.Is This Episode for You?This episode is for you if:✅ You are inspired by the career of the 2025 AIA Gold Medal recipient, Deborah Berke.✅ You are interested in how to foster a collaborative, values-driven culture in a growing firm.✅ You want to understand the role of optimism and authenticity in architectural practice.✅ You believe in the power of design to serve the "greater good" and create meaningful spaces.✅ You are interested in the evolution of a successful firm from solo practice to a collective.What have you done to take action lately? Share your reflections with us on social and join the conversation.📍 Show Links:Learn more about Deborah on

12-11
38:56

218: A Founder’s View on AI and the Next Era of Architecture

How can artificial intelligence reduce administrative burden, simplify compliance, and help architects reclaim time for the design work they love? This week, we are joined by Brandon Levey, the founder and CEO of Ichi, a promising young company building AI tools for the built environment.Brandon brings a unique blend of two decades in technology leadership and a lifelong connection to construction through his family's business. He shares how these experiences shaped his belief that the spaces we occupy profoundly impact our lives, and that the current processes for building them are ripe for improvement. We discuss Ichi's mission to tackle the "compliance, administrative, and design" challenges that often bog down projects, from navigating complex building codes to automating quality assurance reviews. Brandon is clear: this isn't about replacing architects, but about augmenting their capabilities."I think directly within their profession, the biggest silver lining is that they're going to get back to being able to do more of what they love, and spend less of their time doing those things that don't bring them joy. Giving those people more time and space to be able to invest in that is just going to yield better impacts for society." - Brandon LeveyThis episode concludes with a forward-looking conversation about the role of AI in bridging the industry's talent gap and the potential societal benefits of more efficient construction. Brandon addresses common fears around data privacy and AI adoption, explaining Ichi's "walled garden" approach and advocating for a future where technology empowers architects to focus on what matters most: creating better buildings, better cities, and a better world for everyone.Guest:Brandon Levey is the founder and CEO of Ichi, a technology company developing AI-powered tools for code compliance, quality review, and knowledge management in the AEC industry. With a background that includes founding Stitch Labs and leading R&D platform teams at Square, as well as hands-on experience in construction, Brandon is passionate about using technology to improve how we design and build our world.Is This Episode for You?This episode is for you if:✅ You are an architect curious about practical AI applications beyond image generation. ✅ You want to understand how AI can help with code compliance, QA/QC, and knowledge management. ✅ You have concerns about data privacy and security when using AI tools. ✅ You are interested in the intersection of technology and the future of architectural practice. ✅ You believe in the potential of technology to create more joy and efficiency in your work.📍 Show Links:Learn more about IchiConnect with Brandon on LinkedIn📍 Follow Practice Disrupted on Social:Facebook | Instagram | LinkedIn | Pinterest | TwitterCheck out our past episodes a...

12-04
41:49

217: Designing the Future: How Etch Built a Practice That Embraces AI + Autonomy

How can designers build intentional businesses while embracing an AI-powered practice?This week, we're joined by Jessica Nelson and Stephanie Lindsay, the co-founders of Etch Design Group and the new venture AI for Interiors. They share their 10-year journey of building Etch into a celebrated Austin-based studio, driven by a "yin and yang" partnership and a desire to create a firm culture centered on autonomy, trust, and a sustainable work-life rhythm. Now a team of 10, they've successfully structured the firm to empower their designers, allowing Stephanie to work remotely and giving both founders space to explore new passions.That new passion became AI for Interiors, a platform born from Jessica's background in tech and a shared curiosity about new tools. Through speaking, courses, and hands-on team onboarding, they are demystifying artificial intelligence and helping other designers solve their biggest pain points . They tackle the biggest misconception they hear: that AI diminishes creativity."If you're using AI the right way, it actually gives you so much more freedom and so much more creativity than you ever thought possible because it allows you to really dream bigger and think so much broader." - Jessica NelsonThis episode concludes with a candid discussion on the lessons learned from a decade of entrepreneurship, from the importance of always trusting your gut instinct to why they wish they'd invested in marketing and a business coach sooner. Jessica and Stephanie also explain their "community over competition" philosophy, sharing why they believe being an "open book" and helping other designers ultimately elevates the entire industry's reputation.GuestsJessica Nelson and Stephanie Lindsay are the co-founders of Etch Design Group, an Austin-based interior design studio specializing in residential and boutique commercial projects. After meeting at a previous firm, they founded Etch in 2015. They are also the founders of AI for Interiors, a platform that provides speaking, workshops, and coaching to help design professionals integrate artificial intelligence into their creative and business workflows .Is This Episode for You?This episode is for you if:✅ You are an entrepreneur looking for candid lessons on building and scaling a design firm. ✅ You are curious about how to integrate AI into your creative and business workflows.✅ You want to debunk common misconceptions about AI and its role in creativity. ✅ You are interested in building a firm culture based on autonomy, trust, and work-life balance. ✅ You believe in "community over competition" and sharing knowledge to elevate the design industry.📍 Show Links:Learn more about Etch Design GroupConnect with Etch Design Group on LinkedInFollow Etch Design Group on InstagramLearn more about AI for Interiors📍 Follow Practice Disrupted on Social:Facebook | Instagram | LinkedIn | a...

11-20
39:27

216: The Art of Drawing in the Digital Age with Mark Collins

How do you build a tech company that champions, rather than replaces, the analog craft of drawing? This week, we explore the intersection of design and digital innovation with Mark Collins, architect, educator, and co-founder of Morfolio. Mark's journey has taken him from the early days of paperless studios at Columbia's Cloud Lab to co-founding a bootstrapped company that now serves over a million designers worldwide.Mark shares the origin story of Morfolio, born from a group of architects at Columbia who saw the revolutionary potential of the iPad as a creative tool. While major software companies initially missed the opportunity, Mark and his co-founders began a 10-year experiment to redefine drawing for the digital age. By intentionally staying small (under 10 people) and bootstrapped, they've avoided the pressures of venture capital and remained deeply connected to their users, creating what Mark calls an "explosion in slow motion"."When we think about the word technology, our minds instantly go to screens and iPads, but everything is a technology. I think trace paper is a technology. We think of the design crit as a kind of technology. Anytime we're bringing to bear materials and processes and knowledge to get an outcome, we call that a technology." - Mark CollinsThis episode concludes with a look at the next wave of technology, including AI and augmented reality. Mark explains how Morfolio's innovation strategy involves fusing their own bespoke drawing engine with powerful, built-in technologies from giants like Apple, such as the LiDAR scanner used for Trace's "Room Scanner" feature. He offers advice to new graduates: avoid "doomerism" about AI, "just try things", and embrace a "multimodal" approach to design that blends drawing, data, and software to forge their own unique paths.Guest:Mark Collins is an architect, educator, and the co-founder of Morfolio, the creative suite behind popular design apps like Trace, Board, and Journal. His career has bridged academia, where he co-founded Columbia University's Cloud Lab, private practice, and entrepreneurship. Mark's work focuses on blending analog design craft with digital innovation and keeping the human experience at the center of technology.Is This Episode for You?This episode is for you if:✅ You are an architect who loves the feel of hand drawing but wants to integrate digital tools. ✅ You are curious about the "paperless studio" and its evolution since the early 2000s. ✅ You want to understand the future of AI and AR in design from a practitioner's perspective. ✅ You are interested in "bootstrapping" a tech company rather than using VC funding. ✅ You believe in the power of community feedback to shape software development. ✅ You are a recent graduate exploring alternative career paths that blend design and technology.📍 Show Links:Connect with Mark on LinkedInLearn more about Morpholio📍 Follow Practice Disrupted on Social:Facebook | Instagram | LinkedIn | Pinterest |

11-13
44:06

215: From Pay Transparency to Shared Leadership, Erin Agdinaoay on WPA’s Model

What does it really mean for an architecture firm to be transparent? This week, we dive into the operations of Work Program Architects (WPA), an award-winning practice known for its community-driven design and radically open culture, with Associate Principal Erin Agdinaoay.Erin shares her journey to WPA, drawn initially by their community-focused work and then captivated by their commitment to radical transparency. She details how WPA puts this philosophy into action daily: 100% open books accessible to all staff, full salary visibility (shown even during the hiring process), and a rotating Raises and Bonuses Committee that gives everyone a chance to participate in financial decision-making. Erin explains that this level of openness isn't just about fairness - it's a strategic approach designed to demystify firm operations, foster trust, and empower every team member, regardless of experience level, to think and act like an owner.The conversation explores the practicalities and challenges, from managing growth while maintaining communication to educating staff on financial literacy through exposure and direct involvement. Erin addresses common questions and skepticism, emphasizing that while transparency can create friction, assuming good intent and approaching conversations with curiosity makes the process constructive. WPA even shares its internal templates to encourage other firms to adopt similar practices. Erin's ultimate hope extends beyond WPA. "My hope is that firms all over dramatically increase their transparency and their ability to give access to business information and financial literacy to all staff in their firm, especially younger staff to create a long runway to learn the business. That way our very talented young professionals can learn what maybe the default is today so that they can create a different tomorrow that increases the value of architecture in the profession." - Erin AgdinaoayThis episode concludes by showcasing how WPA's radical transparency fosters a culture of trust, equity, and shared ownership, challenging traditional firm management norms. Erin's insights reveal that openness is not just an ideal but a practical tool for building resilience, improving business acumen across the firm, and ultimately, empowering the next generation to elevate the architectural profession by understanding its foundations.Guest:Erin Agdinaoay is an Associate Principal at Work Program Architects (WPA), based in the Norfolk area of Virginia. With a people-first leadership style, she has been instrumental in shaping and implementing WPA's commitment to radical transparency, including open books and salary visibility. She is an advocate for pay equity and believes in empowering all staff with financial literacy to foster an ownership mindset within the firm. Erin is a graduate of Virginia Tech's architecture program.Is This Episode for You?This episode is for you if:✅ You are curious about alternative firm management models beyond traditional hierarchies. ✅ You believe in or want to learn more about pay transparency and open-book management. ✅ You are interested in fostering an "ownership mindset" among your staff.  ✅ You want practical advice on how to implement transparency initiatives in your own firm. ✅ You are a younger professional seeking firms with values aligned with equity and openness. 📍 Show Links:Connect with Erin on LinkedInLearn more about Work Program ArchitectsConnect with Work Program Architects on a...

11-06
39:27

214: Rebuilding Smarter: David Sellers and the Architecture of Necessity

What does a career path look like when it’s guided by necessity, unconventional experiences, and a deep respect for place? This week, we're joined by David Sellers, founder of Hawaii Off-Grid Architecture and Engineering and Surf Block, whose journey embodies designing within limits to create smarter, self-sustaining systems.David shares his non-traditional path, from working as a mechanic and on Alaskan fishing boats to studying architecture in the Netherlands. These experiences fueled a fascination with self-sufficient systems, inspired by observing the integrated mechanics of boats. This led him to Hawaii, where high energy costs and resource constraints created the perfect environment to build a multidisciplinary practice focused on net-zero and off-grid projects. His firm, Hawaii Off-Grid, now mandates that all new buildings be at least net-zero, driven by both environmental values and a compelling economic proposition for clients.The conversation also dives into Surf Block, a startup born from observing the sheer volume of surfboard foam waste filling local landfills. Inspired by insulated composite concrete forms (ICCFs), David saw an opportunity to turn this waste into a high-performance, resilient building material - resistant to hurricanes, mold, mildew, and termites - perfectly suited for Hawaii's climate and challenges. Now, Surf Block is playing a crucial role in the rebuilding efforts in Lahaina. David's hope is that his work inspires others to find similar opportunities in their own backyards. “Necessity - that’s been the story of my life ever since. And I think that part of our architecture practice is rooted in necessity. There’s a necessity for us to have climate responsive design, because we’re seeing a shift in vernacular architecture.” - David SellersThis episode concludes with a powerful reminder that innovation often stems from constraints and necessity. David’s story showcases how diverse experiences outside traditional architecture can enrich design thinking and lead to ventures with profound environmental and community impact. He demonstrates that architects' next frontier may lie not in grand scale, but in developing intelligent, self-sufficient systems that respond directly to the unique challenges of their place, ultimately inspiring others to find and create value in unexpected ways.GuestDavid Sellers is the founder of Hawaii Off-Grid Architecture and Engineering and the co-founder of Surf Block. With an unconventional background that includes working as a mechanic, on fishing boats, and studying architecture internationally, David brings a unique systems-thinking approach to sustainable design. His practice in Hawaii focuses on net-zero, off-grid, and climate-responsive projects driven by the unique environmental and economic necessities of the islands. Through Surf Block, he is pioneering the use of recycled surfboard foam waste to create innovative, resilient building materials for communities like Lahaina.Is This Episode for You?This episode is for you if:✅ You are interested in off-grid, net-zero, and sustainable design practices.  ✅ You believe necessity and constraints can be powerful drivers of innovation.✅ You are inspired by unconventional career paths within and beyond architecture. ✅ You want to learn about innovative approaches to waste stream utilization and sustainable materials. ✅ You are looking for examples of architecture practices with a strong quadruple bottom line focus (community, environment, global impact, career progress).📍 Show Links:Connect with David on LinkedInLearn more about a...

10-30
43:53

213: Rethinking the Workflow: How Radhika Parashar Narain Sees Architecture’s Digital Future

What happens when a tech leader with a background in democratizing design at companies like Figma turns their attention to architecture? This week, we're joined by Radhika Parashar Narain, Head of Marketing at Arcol, a software company reimagining how architects design and collaborate.Coming from the world of Software as a Service (SaaS), Radhika offers a fresh and insightful perspective on a profession she finds fascinatingly complex and creative, yet overdue for better tools. She shares her initial shock at the fragmented, inefficient, and often joyless workflows architects are forced to navigate. Radhika discusses the cultural and practical hurdles to tech adoption in an industry rooted in tradition, from the high "cost of change" after years spent learning legacy software to a scarcity mindset around collaboration. The conversation explores how Arcol, founded with a "Figma for BIM" ethos, aims to bring simplicity, accessibility, and collaboration to the earliest stages of design.Ultimately, Radhika’s vision is not about disruption for its own sake, but about empowerment. She argues that by embracing intuitively designed, cloud-based tools, architects can reduce friction, foster collaboration, and rediscover the joy in their craft. Her hope is for architects to raise their standards for the software they use every day."My hope for the profession is for architects to have as high expectations as we have of the tools that we can foresee and we can kind of imagine can bring that joy back to the process." - Radhika Parashar NarainThis episode concludes with a call for the profession to see technology as a leverage point. Radhika encourages architects, especially students and smaller firms, to experiment early, build collaboration as a muscle, and use new tools to "punch above their weight." By democratizing access to powerful, well-designed software, the next generation can move beyond the limitations of legacy systems and focus on what they do best: creating the built world.Guest:Radhika Parashar Narain is the Head of Marketing at Arcol, a software company building a new generation of design and collaboration tools for architects. With a background in SaaS and design technology, including a tenure at Figma, she is passionate about empowering creators with better tools and making design more accessible to everyone.Is This Episode for You?This episode is for you if:✅ You are an architect frustrated with your current software and workflows. ✅ You are curious about how the mindset of Silicon Valley (SaaS) applies to the AEC industry. ✅ You want to understand the challenges and opportunities of tech adoption in architecture. ✅ You believe in the power of technology to democratize design and empower smaller firms. ✅ You are a student or educator looking for the next wave of tools that will shape the future of practice.📍 Show Links:Learn more about Arcol Connect with Radhika on LinkedIn📍 Follow Practice Disrupted on Social:Facebook | Instagram | LinkedIn | Pinterest | a...

10-23
40:12

212: Investing in the Built World: A Venture Capitalist's View on AEC Innovation

What does it take to build and fund the companies that are truly transforming the built environment? This week, we are joined by Jesse Devitte, co-founder and General Partner of Building Ventures and a pioneer who has spent over three decades at the intersection of architecture, construction, and technology.Jesse shares his remarkable journey, from co-founding SoftDesk, the company that laid the groundwork for Autodesk's AEC division in the early 90s, to becoming one of the first venture capitalists dedicated to the industry. He explains the origin of Building Ventures, a firm created to invest across the entire lifecycle of how we design, build, and operate our world. Supported by a network of industry leaders, the firm was founded on the belief that a wave of innovation was coming, and the built environment was ready for a new generation of transformative companies.The conversation offers a rare look inside the mind of an investor, exploring the evolution of AEC tech, the business model challenges facing architecture firms, and what it takes to get a startup funded. Jesse reveals that his team looks for more than just a good idea; they look for founders with a unique, firsthand understanding of the problem they are solving."We want them to really not pitch us on a solution for their problem. We want them to be in love with the problem. That's an earned secret to us that someone has that they can apply that makes them really unique." - Jesse DevitteThis episode concludes with a forward-looking perspective on where the industry is headed. Jesse argues that the path forward requires a mindset shift from all players: architects must "lean in" to new opportunities like industrialized construction to maintain influence, and the industry as a whole must foster a collaborative ecosystem where startups, incumbents like Autodesk, and practitioners work together to drive progress. His story is a guide to where opportunity lives, offering invaluable insights for both aspiring entrepreneurs and firm leaders wondering how capital, innovation, and design intersect to shape the future of practice.Guest:Jesse Devitte is a co-founder and General Partner at Building Ventures, a venture capital firm investing in early-stage startups that are transforming the built environment. With a career spanning over 30 years, Jesse was a pioneer in AEC software development, co-founding SoftDesk, which was acquired by Autodesk to create its AEC Market Group. He later became one of the first VCs to focus on the built world, with early investments in iconic companies like SketchUp. Through Building Ventures, he continues to support entrepreneurs who are improving how we design, build, and operate our world.Is This Episode for You?This episode is for you if:✅ You are an entrepreneur with a startup idea for the AEC industry and want to know what investors look for. ✅ You are a firm leader trying to understand the broader trends in AEC technology and investment. ✅ You are curious about the evolution of venture capital in the built environment. ✅ You want to hear the perspective of a pioneer who has shaped AEC software from the beginning. ✅ You are interested in the future of design tech, pre-construction, sustainability, and industrialized construction.📍 Show Links:Connect with Jesse on LinkedInLearn more about Building Ventures📍 Follow Practice Disrupted on Social:

10-16
50:09

211: Architect, And: Leslie Sydnor on Shifting from Practice to Design Management

How do you build a career with intention, navigate unsupportive environments, and find the mentors who will champion your growth? This week, we are joined by Leslie Sydnor, an architect and design manager whose journey offers a masterclass in resilience, self-advocacy, and the power of networks.Leslie shares her story, from being inspired by New York City construction sites as a child to finding her path at Yale and UCLA. She offers a candid look at her career, including her "dream job" designing low-income housing for the City of New York, her time in small, supportive firms, and a challenging stint in a corporate environment that confirmed her fears about who gets to climb the ladder. A pivotal point in her career was finding a mentor in Helena Jubany, who saw her potential and taught her how to run an office, a relationship that shaped her understanding of what’s possible as a woman of color in architecture.Now a Design Manager for the country's largest community college district, Leslie acts as a crucial translator between the massive institution and its architects. She argues this is not a role architects have "given up," but a necessary function in a complex bureaucracy, one best filled by an architect who can advocate for the design team. "Find your tribe and keep them close. Architecture is such a small, interconnected world - you’ll cross paths with classmates, colleagues, even old bosses, again and again. Your tribe will support you, tell you about jobs, and help you when you need it most." - Leslie SydnorThis episode concludes with Leslie’s core advice for the next generation of architects, distilled from years of experience and her current role as an educator at Cal Poly Pomona. She emphasizes the importance of strategy, flexibility, and building a strong professional network, summed up in her key mantra: "Find your tribe and keep them close." Her story is a powerful reminder to treat job interviews as a two-way street, to ask the hard questions, and to find the environments and people who align with your values and will support your long-term success.Guest:Leslie Sydnor is an architect and Design Manager with the Cumming Group, currently working with the Los Angeles Community College District. With a career spanning traditional practice in firms both large and small, design-build, and now owner-side representation, she brings a wealth of experience to her role. A graduate of Yale University and UCLA, Leslie is also an educator at Cal Poly Pomona, where she teaches project management and mentors students on building intentional careers. As one of the first few hundred licensed Black women architects in the U.S., she is a passionate advocate for diversity, mentorship, and self-advocacy within the profession.Is This Episode for You?This episode is for you if:✅ You are a young professional seeking advice on how to navigate the architecture industry and find supportive firms. ✅ You want to understand the career path of a design manager and what the role entails. ✅ You are inspired by stories of mentorship and the impact of finding the right champions in your career. ✅ You have felt undervalued and want to learn more about the importance of self-advocacy. ✅ You believe in the power of networks and want to be more strategic about building your professional community📍 Show Links:Connect with Leslie on LinkedInFollow Leslie on InstagramVisit Cal Poly Pomona’s

10-09
52:42

210: Architecture, Technology, and the Future of Cities

How can architects remain relevant in a world where cities are as digital as they are physical?In this episode of Practice Disrupted, Evelyn Lee sits down with Bryan Boyer, Co-Founder of Dash Marshall and Faculty Director of the Urban Technology Program at the University of Michigan. Bryan’s career bridges technology, design, and urbanism - and through his leadership, he is training the next generation of designers to think differently about how we build, govern, and inhabit our cities.Bryan shares the origins of the Urban Technology program, why he believes the built environment has lagged behind other industries in digitization, and how the program prepares students to be equally fluent in architecture, planning, and technology. He highlights how fragmentation in the AEC industry creates a “chain drain” of intelligence and argues that architects need to reclaim agency by embracing new tools, methods, and mindsets.The conversation delves into the unique curriculum of Urban Tech, which integrates cities, technology, and design. Students learn to view cities as complex systems, develop technical fluency in coding and data science, and practice forms of service and strategic design that extend beyond traditional building. Bryan also reflects on how AI, automation, and interaction design are reshaping the skills architects need, and what this means for education, practice, and the profession as a whole.“Our cities today are fully physical and fully digital. The challenge isn’t just to bridge the gap between urbanist and technologist - it’s to prepare a new generation who doesn’t believe that gap exists at all.” – Bryan BoyerThis episode concludes with Bryan’s vision for the future: a profession that works with urgency, embraces user research, and balances long-term aspirations with near-term agency. He challenges architects to move beyond utopian visions and engage directly with the realities of policy, economy, and technology in order to create cities of shared prosperity, sustainability, and joy.Guest:Bryan Boyer is the Co-Founder of Dash Marshall, a design practice that works across architecture, interiors, and strategy. He is also the Faculty Director of the Urban Technology Program at the University of Michigan, where he leads an innovative undergraduate degree exploring the intersection of cities, technology, and design. His career spans architecture, technology, and public sector work, including roles at Sidewalk Labs, the Helsinki Design Lab, and the Office of New Urban Mechanics.Is This Episode for You?This episode is for you if:✅ You want to understand how technology and architecture intersect in urban contexts✅ You’re curious about new forms of design education and career paths✅ You’re grappling with the challenges of fragmentation in the AEC industry✅ You believe architects should embrace coding, user research, and new design methods✅ You’re interested in what the future of urban practice looks like in a digital era📍 Show Links:Connect with Bryan on LinkedInFollow Bryan on InstagramVisit Bryan’s WebsiteSubscribe to Urban Technology SubstackLearn more about

10-02
50:18

209: Digital Twin Cities, My Town AI

What happens when a public servant becomes a tech founder to solve the problems they face every day? This week, we're joined by Nichole Sterling, the Mayor Pro Tem of Nederland, Colorado, and the founder of MyTownAI. Her journey offers a unique perspective on how technology can reshape civic decision-making from the inside out.Nichole shares the origin story of MyTownAI, a venture born from the "pain" of watching her own small-town staff navigate a maze of disconnected sources - zoning maps, municipal codes, county websites, and even Zillow, just to answer a simple question like, "What can be built on this parcel of land?". To address this, she developed MyTownAI, an intelligent data hub that consolidates information and utilizes low-cost digital twins to enable municipalities to run simulations, ranging from modeling the impact of zoning changes to exploring economic development strategies.The platform is designed to serve the vast, often-overlooked majority of American communities: the 83% of towns with fewer than 10,000 people. By providing accessible AI tools to under-resourced governments, Nichole is driven by a powerful vision for the future of the public sector."I want to see local governments become the next wave of innovation. If you think about it, just that a very small disruption at the local government level has the potential to make huge waves." - Nichole SterlingThis episode concludes with an exploration of how a tool built for government can create a more transparent and collaborative ecosystem for all. MyTownAI aims to enhance civic participation by giving citizens direct access to information and a platform to co-create ideas for their communities. For architects and developers, it represents a future where they can quickly find community-aligned opportunities, accelerating a process that is often opaque and slow. Ultimately, Nichole's work challenges architects to evolve their value proposition from being navigators of a complex system to becoming strategic partners in a data-empowered, citizen-driven future.Guest:Nichole Sterling is the Mayor Pro Tem of Nederland, Colorado, the founder of MyTownAI, and the co-founder of the nonprofit Women Defining AI. As a public servant and civic tech founder, she is focused on leveraging artificial intelligence to empower small and under-resourced municipalities. Her work aims to make government more efficient, transparent, and innovative by providing accessible tools for data analysis, scenario planning, and civic engagement.Is This Episode for You?This episode is for you if:✅ You are an architect or planner who feels the pain of navigating fragmented municipal data. ✅ You are interested in how AI and digital twins can be applied at the local government level. ✅ You want to understand the unique challenges and opportunities facing small towns. ✅ You are inspired by stories of non-technical founders solving real-world problems. ✅ You believe technology can enhance civic participation and create more collaborative communities.📍 Show Links:Connect with Nichole LinkedInVisit MyTownAI’s WebsiteVisit Woman Defining AI’s WebsiteListen to the Previous Episode with Nichole📍...

09-25
44:06

208: Architecture, And: Building Across Disciplines with Mikael Avery

How can a career in architecture be more than a single path, but a foundation for a multifaceted professional life? This week, we welcome back Mikael Avery, a designer, educator, and healthcare professional, for a deep dive into his own remarkable journey. Mikael’s story is one of continuous exploration, starting with a degree in landscape architecture before moving through urban design, a traditional architectural apprenticeship, and a solo digital fabrication practice. Driven by a desire for a larger impact, he then made a significant pivot, earning a master's degree in occupational therapy to learn about healthcare from the inside out. Today, his work weaves all these threads together as a senior lecturer at the University of Pennsylvania, a collaborator with design firms, and the co-leader of a medical device startup.Throughout the conversation, Mikael explains how he sees these varied roles not as separate careers, but as different facets of one cohesive professional identity: that of a designer and educator. He shares invaluable insights into the cross-pollination of skills between fields, how his designer’s mindset informs his work in healthcare, and how the crucial soft skills learned in occupational therapy, like building instant rapport with clients, are vital for architects. His ultimate hope for the profession is a return to its fundamental purpose."Architecture is a service profession. Because our work is in service of the people. And so I think the more students who graduate and really appreciate that service aspect of architecture and design, I think the more in demand designers will be." - Mikael AveryThis episode concludes with a powerful reframing of what a career can be. Mikael’s journey is a testament to seeing a career not as a linear path to be followed, but as a continuous development propelled by curiosity and a desire to learn. He offers actionable advice for anyone looking to forge their own way: start with confidence in your design skills, be curious, learn the language of other industries, and build a network to create opportunities. His story is a compelling case for how a commitment to service can unlock the true value of design in any field.Guest:Mikael Avery is a designer, educator, maker, and healthcare professional working at the intersection of architecture, product design, and health. He is a Senior Lecturer at the University of Pennsylvania, where he teaches courses in the architecture department and the Integrated Product Design program. Alongside his teaching, he advises healthcare systems, collaborates with design firms like Fifteen, and co-leads a medical device startup, embodying a truly interdisciplinary approach to practice.Is This Episode for You?This episode is for you if:✅ You are exploring a non-linear career and want to see how different interests can form a cohesive whole. ✅ You want to understand how skills from other industries, like healthcare, can benefit architectural practice.✅ You are a student or young professional seeking advice on how to forge your own unique career path. ✅ You believe in the power of design to have a larger social impact beyond the building. ✅ You are inspired by the idea of architecture as a service profession and want to explore what that means.📍 Show Links:Connect with Mikael LinkedInVisit FIFTEEN’s Website📍 Follow Practice Disrupted on Social:

09-18
41:18

207: Architecture, And: Mark Chambers on Designing Systems for Change

What happens when an architect’s skillset is applied not just to buildings, but to the complex systems that shape our cities, policies, and climate? This week, Evelyn is joined by co-host Larry Fabbroni and his longtime friend and Carnegie Mellon classmate, Mark Chambers, an environmental policy leader and architect who has taken his training from design studios to city halls and the White House.This rich conversation explores Mark's remarkable career arc, from practicing architect to the Sustainability Director for Washington D.C. and New York City, and later, the first Senior Director for Building Emissions and Community Resilience in the Biden White House. Mark explains how he views his architectural training as the discipline of a "three-dimensional problem solver," a skill that allows him to deconstruct and reassemble complex policy challenges just as he would a building. He argues that this skillset is a strategic advantage, especially in interdisciplinary rooms where the architectural perspective is unique and highly valued.The discussion goes beyond resumes to tackle the big questions facing the profession and society. When asked how architects can secure more value for their work, Mark challenges the premise of fighting for a bigger piece of the existing pie."I'm questioning the whole pie. I'm questioning the way in which the pie was set up. It's like, I don't want a bigger slice. I want a different pie." - Mark ChambersThis episode concludes with a masterclass in optimistic disruption, as Mark advocates for a fundamental reimagining of the architect's role - from a service provider to an owner, a caretaker, and a shaper of systems. He offers advice for professionals at any stage on how to build a personal narrative, take calculated chances, find their audience, and use their unique skills to drive collective action and build the future they want to see.GuestMark Chambers is an architect, environmental policy leader, and social impact designer focused on the intersection of climate action, community, and the built environment. His career has been dedicated to public service, having served as the Director of Sustainability for both New York City and Washington D.C., and as the Senior Director for Building Emissions and Community Resilience for the White House Council on Environmental Quality. A graduate of Carnegie Mellon University, Mark uses his architectural training to solve complex systemic problems and advocate for a more sustainable and equitable future.Larry Fabbroni  is an architect with over two decades in practice. He formerly led master planning projects at Ehrenkrantz Eckstut & Kuhn Architects and Strada Architecture, working on some of the largest development projects in the U.S. Today, he serves as a consultant specializing in strategic pre-development services and as CIO for the Practice of Architecture. Larry earned his MBA from the University of Chicago Booth School of Business, where he focused on entrepreneurship and strategy.Is This Episode for You?This episode is for you if:✅ You are curious about career paths for architects in public policy, climate action, and government. ✅ You want to understand how an architectural skillset can be a strategic advantage in non-traditional roles. ✅ You feel frustrated by the existing systems and are looking for inspiration to challenge the status quo. ✅ You are seeking an optimistic framework for staying hopeful and effective in a time of uncertainty. ✅ You want advice on how to build a career narrative, take chances, and find your voice to make an impact.📍 Show Links:Connect with Mark on

09-11
01:00:45

206: Architecture, And: Chief Strategy Officer, Laura Sachtleben

What happens when you reach the pinnacle of a successful architecture career and realize you’re no longer working toward the next thing? This week, we are joined by Laura Sachtleben, a leader who spent two decades in practice, rising to Vice President and Global Sector Leader at Stantec, before making the courageous decision to step away and redefine her path.Laura shares her journey from knowing she wanted to be an architect in the sixth grade to building an impressive, 20-year career within a single firm that evolved from a small studio to a global powerhouse. She describes the gradual realization that, despite her success, the role that once energized her was no longer providing personal growth. This led her to take an intentional six-month sabbatical to reflect, explore, and "design her life".The conversation delves into the practical steps Laura took during her break, from reading and journaling to having candid conversations with colleagues who had forged different paths. This period of discovery led her to her current role as Chief Strategy Officer at Landscape Forms, a company whose values around design, culture, and sustainability aligned perfectly with her own. Laura offers invaluable advice for anyone contemplating a career change, emphasizing the importance of embracing discomfort as a catalyst for growth."A successful career has to be one linear path - that's what I was taught in school. And the reality is that's not the path for everyone. And then there may be a next phase to your career. And then there could be a phase after that." - Laura Flannery SachtlebenThis episode concludes with the understanding that Laura's story is not about leaving architecture behind, but about evolving her relationship with it. She discusses how her architectural skillset translates directly to her new strategic role and how she continues to be a passionate advocate and mentor for the profession, proving that you can have a profound impact from both inside and outside of traditional practice.Guest:Laura Flannery Sachtleben is the Chief Strategy Officer for Landscape Forms, a company dedicated to creating beautiful and sustainable outdoor furnishings. Before joining Landscape Forms, she spent two decades in architectural practice, where she rose to become Vice President and Global Sector Leader for Education, Science and Technology at Stantec. A passionate lifelong learner and mentor, Laura continues to advocate for the profession through her involvement with the AIA and by guiding architects at all stages of their careers.Is This Episode for You?This episode is for you if:✅ You are an established professional feeling like you’ve hit a plateau in your career. ✅ You are contemplating a major career change but don't know where or how to start. ✅ You want practical advice on how to take a reflective and productive career break.✅ You are curious about how the skills of an architect translate to leadership roles in adjacent industries. ✅ You are looking for mentorship advice for navigating the different stages of a career in architecture and beyond.📍 Show Links:Connect with Laura on LinkedInVisit Landscape Forms’s WebsiteConnect with Landscape Forms on LinkedInFollow Landscape Forms on

09-05
49:10

205: Cove, Redefining Architecture for a Smarter Future

What happens when a software startup becomes a full-service, AI-powered architecture firm?This week on Practice Disrupted, Evelyn Lee is joined by Patrick Chopson, Co-Founder and Chief Product Officer of Cove Architecture (formerly Cove Tool). What began as a mission to provide architects with performance analysis tools has evolved into Cove Architecture, the first AI-driven practice reimagining how buildings are conceived, coordinated, and delivered.Patrick shares the story of Cove’s evolution, from its roots as a SaaS platform to its pivot into consultancy, and now into a full-service design studio backed by over $36 million in venture funding. Their debut project, a multifamily complex in Atlanta’s West End, was designed in just 15 days, demonstrating how AI can accelerate timelines by 60%, improve cost accuracy, and cut iteration expenses nearly in half.Beyond efficiency, Patrick envisions AI as a force for design excellence. By offloading code checks, zoning analysis, and cost modeling, architects are freed to focus on creativity, meaning, and beauty. He reflects on how Cove integrates human expertise with machine intelligence, how AI supports senior architects in elevating design, and why training and mentorship must adapt in this new era.The conversation also touches on the business model of architecture: how venture capital is reshaping practice, what “AI-powered but human-centered” really means, and how these tools might democratize design for firms of all sizes.“Being AI-powered doesn’t mean removing the human from the process. It means empowering the expert architect to do what they do best: elevate design, mentor the next generation, and create lasting impact.” - Patrick ChopsonThis episode concludes with a reflection on the future of practice: from profitability and scale to sustainability and mentorship. Patrick challenges architects to see AI not as a threat, but as an opportunity to design more bespoke, more sustainable, and more beautiful buildings, and to build a profession that is more resilient for generations to come.Guest:Patrick Chopson, AIA is Co-Founder and Chief Product Officer of Cove Architecture. With a background in mechanical engineering, high-performance building design, and sustainability consulting, Patrick has over 20 years of experience advancing tools that merge technology with design excellence. At Cove Architecture, he leads the charge in creating an AI-powered, human-centered model of practice.Is This Episode for You?This episode is for you if:✅ You’re curious about how AI is transforming architectural practice✅ You want to learn how venture-backed firms are reshaping the field✅ You’re navigating mentorship and training in an AI-powered environment✅ You believe architecture must evolve to deliver sustainable, bespoke designWhat have you done to take action lately? Share your reflections with us on social and join the conversation.📍 Show Links:Connect with Patrick on LinkedInVisit Cove’s Website📍 Follow Practice Disrupted on Social:Facebook | Instagram | LinkedIn | Pinterest | a...

08-28
51:16

204: Understanding True Innovation in Practice

What happens when innovation isn’t just a lofty ideal, but an everyday discipline accessible to everyone in an organization?In this episode of Practice Disrupted, Evelyn Lee is joined by Dr. Simone Ahuja, keynote speaker, innovation strategist, bestselling author, and founder of Blood Orange. Simone’s path from dentistry to advising Fortune 500 companies on frugal innovation is anything but ordinary. Drawing on her research into jugaad innovation - a mindset of resourcefulness rooted in doing more with what you have - she helps leaders cut through “innovation theater” and focus on creating real, tangible value.Together, they explore how constraints can actually spark creativity, why the democratization of innovation matters, and how leaders can foster cultures of problem solving that scale from the grassroots up. Simone shares practical frameworks for managing up, influencing decision-makers, and breaking big challenges into small, testable experiments, whether you’re in a small firm or a multinational corporation.The conversation connects back to architecture, where creative thinking often thrives in design work but lags in business operations. Simone challenges firms to think beyond client deliverables and embrace strategic abandonment, distributed innovation, and leadership practices that create space for both reflection and experimentation.Her message is clear: innovation is not reserved for R&D teams. It’s a discipline, a mindset, and a shared responsibility across every level of an organization.“Innovation is some of the best training out there for leaders for navigating uncertainty, because you’re thinking about what problems exist, how to rigorously prioritize, how to move forward and learn from that, and how to influence others along the way." - Dr. Simone AhujaThis episode closes with a reminder that disruption brings opportunity to those willing to reframe problems, leverage existing assets, and learn from other industries. Innovation doesn’t have to be big, or expensive, it just has to add new value.Guest:Dr. Simone Ahuja is the founder of Blood Orange, a Minneapolis-based innovation strategy firm, and the author of Disrupt-It-Yourself and co-author of Jugaad Innovation. She works with organizations like Target, 3M, and Stanley Black & Decker to help leaders and teams innovate smarter without overcomplicating the process. Drawing on her background in dentistry, improv comedy, and grassroots entrepreneurship research, Simone champions resourceful problem solving and the democratization of innovation.Is This Episode for You?This episode is for you if:✅ You want to move beyond “innovation theater” into real, measurable change✅ You’re looking for practical tools to foster innovation in your team or firm✅ You believe constraints can be a catalyst for creativity✅ You want to make problem solving a shared discipline across your organizationWhat have you done to take action lately? Share your reflections with us on social and join the conversation.📍 Show Links:Connect with Simone on LinkedInVisit Simone’s Website📍 Follow Practice Disrupted on Social:Facebook | Instagram |

08-21
41:09

203: Interdisciplinary by Design: How FIFTEEN Builds with Purpose

How can architecture firms move beyond the traditional consultant model to foster truly deep, interdisciplinary collaboration? This week, we welcome Ximena Valle, founder of the Philadelphia-based architecture firm FIFTEEN, and one of her longtime collaborators, Mikael Avery. Ximena founded FIFTEEN to address the gaps she observed in the profession, from talent leaving the industry to a disconnect between designers and end-users. Inspired by her experience on a multi-disciplinary archaeological dig where geologists, mythologists, and chemists worked together to solve a complex problem, she built her firm around a "Collaborator Network."This intentional shift in language, from "consultant" to "collaborator", reflects a profound difference in process. Mikael Avery, whose background spans architecture, landscape architecture, and occupational therapy, is a prime example of the unique expertise FIFTEEN brings to the table. Collaborators are not just brought in for a "nugget of information"; they are integrated into the team from the earliest visioning sessions, contributing to a holistic process where the solution emerges from the group dynamic.Ximena and Mikael share how this model has transformed projects, turning a public space design into a community incubator for startups and workforce development, and evolving a healthcare facility presentation into a fully experiential workshop co-designed with the client. They also discuss the practical challenges of this approach, from creating new financial models to educating clients on the value of a truly integrated team. “The more voices we can get in the room that will misinterpret what we say, if you will, the more opportunities we have to have these ideas bubble up. That is the most exciting part about design… when it doesn’t come from one person, but it comes from the conversation around something. And then all of a sudden, wait, that’s actually the answer right there. It didn’t come from me. It didn’t come from you. It came from the process.” - Mikael AveryThis episode concludes with a reminder that meaningful innovation in architecture doesn’t come from sticking to traditional roles, it comes from rethinking the process entirely. Ximena and Mikael leave us with a clear call to action: open the door, invite in new voices, and trust the collaborative process. Whether you’re leading a firm or just starting out, the future of design lies in embracing complexity together.Guests:Ximena Valle is the founder of Fifteen, a Philadelphia-based architecture firm that is redefining collaboration in practice. She founded the firm to address what she saw as critical gaps in the profession, building a new practice model centered on integrating diverse, interdisciplinary expertise into the core design process.Mikael Avery is a designer, educator, and healthcare professional working at the intersection of architecture, product design, and health. He is a longtime collaborator with Fifteen, and also teaches at the University of Pennsylvania and brings a human-centered perspective to projects ranging from healthcare environments to medical device design.Is This Episode for You?This episode is for you if:✅ You are interested in new, more inclusive models of collaboration in architecture.✅ You are a firm leader looking for ways to integrate expertise from outside the traditional AEC industry.✅ You want to learn how to better advocate for the value of a truly interdisciplinary design process with clients.✅ You are a professional with a non-traditional background who wants to engage with architectural projects in a meaningful way.✅ You want practical advice on how to foster a culture where the best ideas can come from anyone in the room.What have you done to take action lately? Share your...

08-14
38:43

202: Designing with Purpose: Pascale Sablan on Advocacy, Joy, and Justice

What does it look like when advocacy is embedded into the DNA of how one practices?In this episode of Practice Disrupted, Evelyn Lee is joined by Pascale Sablan, architect, activist, and the 2023-2024 President of the National Organization of Minority Architects (NOMA). As the founder and Executive Director of Beyond the Built Environment, Pascale has spent her career not only designing spaces, but designing platforms for visibility, equity, and justice in architecture.Together, they explore Pascale’s path into the profession, from being one of the few Black women in her architecture school cohort to becoming a nationally recognized leader in advocacy-driven practice. She shares the origin story behind Beyond the Built, her reflections on the labor of representation, and the importance of documenting and uplifting the voices of BIPOC designers across time and space.The conversation also delves into the systems that uphold exclusion in architecture, and how Pascale works to dismantle them through action: challenging AIA policies, creating traveling exhibitions, and supporting youth pipeline initiatives. Her message is clear: architecture must move beyond statements and toward systems of accountability."To advocate is not just to speak! It’s to act, It’s to move, to challenge, to build. Advocacy is a verb." - Pascale SablanThis episode concludes with a reflection on legacy, lineage, and the responsibility of naming, and remembering those who have been historically erased. It’s a call to not just imagine a more equitable profession, but to build it.Guest:Pascale Sablan, FAIA, NOMAC, LEED AP is the 2023–2024 President of the National Organization of Minority Architects and the Founder & Executive Director of Beyond the Built Environment. A Principal at Adjaye Associates, Pascale is an award-winning architect, advocate, and historian whose work challenges systemic injustice and promotes visibility for marginalized designers. She is the 315th living Black woman licensed to practice architecture in the United States.Is This Episode for You?This episode is for you if:✅ You want to integrate advocacy into your design practice✅ You’re looking for models of leadership grounded in justice✅ You’re committed to making the profession more inclusive✅ You believe in honoring history while building a more equitable futureWhat have you done to take action lately? Share your reflections with us on social and join the conversation.📍 Show Links:Connect with Pascale on LinkedInVisit Pascale’s WebsiteVisit NOMA’s WebsiteLearn more about Beyond The Built📍 Follow Practice Disrupted on Social:Facebook | Instagram | LinkedIn | Pinterest | Twitter

08-07
55:03

201: Season 11 Opener with the Most Podern Podcast

What does it mean to be an architect today, and is the traditional path still the most valuable one?To kick off Season 11, we welcome the three hosts of the Most Podern Podcast: Alex Yuen, Minkoo Kang, and Libo Li. They are three friends who, since their architectural education, have forged distinct, non-traditional careers that challenge the conventional definition of practice. The episode delves into their journeys as an architect-developer, an OMA designer turned developer and MIT instructor, and a self-proclaimed "career job changer" now working as a data engineer at Meta.The conversation starts by exploring the complex relationship between title and identity. How do you introduce yourself when your work spans architecture, development, academia, and big tech? This question opens up a candid discussion about the profession's insecurities, the value of an architectural education versus its real-world blind spots (like economics and finance), and the constant struggle to define and advocate for the value architects provide.The hosts debate whether people like them, who have stepped outside the traditional lines, make it harder to define that value, or if they are simply responding to a profession in need of new models. They tackle the "rule books" architects often ignore, the ones written by capitalism and market forces, and question the cultural mindset that often prevents practitioners from adapting."The hypothesis should be - design is not valuable and you should try to disprove that, which is a totally different way of looking at the problem." - Libo LiThis episode is packed with invaluable advice for both aspiring architects and fed-up mid-career professionals. From questioning your professors to getting comfortable with discomfort and learning to code, the hosts share actionable steps for anyone looking to make a change. Finally, they look to the future, discussing the end of the "Starkitect" era, the potential for AI to create single-person powerhouse firms, and why finding a support network is critical to making any leap.Guests:Alex Yuen is a licensed architect, educator, and co-founder of Co, a California-based design and development firm focused on affordable housing. He also teaches urban design at the Harvard Graduate School of Design.Minkoo Kang is an architect-turned-developer and an instructor at MIT's Center for Real Estate. A former designer at OMA, his work now focuses on understanding the financial forces that shape the built environment. He is the co-author of the newly released book, Value of Design.Libo Li is a data engineer at Meta and the author of the newsletter Building Probable, which explores data and the built environment. A self-described "career job changer," his path has taken him from architecture to data engineering, startups, and now big tech, driven by a desire to learn from different industries.Is This Episode for You?This episode is for you if: ✅ You are navigating a non-traditional career with an architecture degree. ✅ You question the traditional definition of architectural value. ✅ You are a student considering a career in architecture and want a realistic perspective. ✅ You are a mid-career professional feeling "fed up" and contemplating a change. ✅ You are curious about how economics, tech, and AI are reshaping the future of practice.What have you done to take action lately? Share your reflections with us on social and join the conversation.📍 Show Links:Connect with Alex Yuen on LinkedInConnect with Minkoo Kang on

07-31
01:01:14

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