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From cult leaders to con artists and undercover FBI agents, PRETEND exposes those pretending to be someone they're not.

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Today on PRETEND, we’re featuring the season 5 premiere of Nobody Should Believe Me, a compelling podcast hosted by author Andrea Dunlop that explores Munchausen by proxy abuse. Dunlop’s investigative storytelling sheds light on a complex and deeply troubling form of abuse, offering listeners both empathy and insight. Season 5 kicks off with an in-depth look at Sophie Hartman’s 2016 memoir, Crowns of Beauty, where Hartman recounts her experiences in Zambia and her journey to becoming the adoptive mother of two Zambian girls. This episode unravels the layers of Hartman’s narrative, revealing her evangelical Christian roots and the persona she crafted as both a martyr and savior. Andrea Dunlop is joined by Chad Goller-Sojourner, a performance artist and transracial adoption coach, who provides nuanced perspectives on the challenges and intricacies of transracial adoption. Together, they explore themes of identity, privilege, and the ways in which personal narratives can obscure uncomfortable truths. Whether you’re a fan of Nobody Should Believe Me or new to the series, this episode promises a gripping and thought-provoking listen. Tune in to hear Andrea Dunlop and her team continue their important work of exposing the hidden dynamics of Munchausen by proxy abuse. Where to Listen: Nobody Should Believe Me is available wherever you get your podcasts. Don’t miss the season 5 premiere, streaming now! Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0tU5rLsNkx7LeI2GhLlQ4X?si=1e02ca94e6ac4066 Apple Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/nobody-should-believe-me/id1615637188 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
2002: DNA Deception

2002: DNA Deception

2025-01-0736:46

DNA evidence is often seen as the gold standard in criminal investigations—a scientific fingerprint that can definitively prove guilt or innocence. But what happens when the science behind it is mishandled or manipulated? In this episode of PRETEND, we explore two shocking cases: the Garrett Coughlin triple homicide and the wrongful conviction of Josiah Sutton. Both cases reveal how sloppy forensic work and unethical practices can set guilty criminals free and, worse, imprison innocent people. Through interviews with victims' families, experts, and journalists, we unravel the myth of DNA as infallible evidence and expose the devastating consequences of a broken system. Featuring insights from Kathy Eppler and a special contribution from Celisia Stanton of the Truer Crime Podcast, this episode serves as a sobering reminder: DNA is only as reliable as the people interpreting it. Credits: Special thanks to Celisia Stanton from Truer Crime Podcast for her contributions to the Josiah Sutton case segment. Additional reporting and analysis from Hidden Killers Podcast and forensic scientist Dan Krane. Pitch to Truer Crime Podcast: If you're intrigued by the case of Josiah Sutton and want to dive deeper, check out Truer Crime Podcast hosted by Celisia Stanton, where she explores the complexities of DNA evidence, justice, and wrongful convictions with a sharp and compassionate lens. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
2001: Drone Hysteria

2001: Drone Hysteria

2024-12-3122:57

People panicked when a swarm of mysterious drones appeared in New Jersey’s night skies. Were they military? Foreign spies? Aliens? But buried under all the hysteria was one theory that refused to die: Birds Aren't Real. Yeah, that old internet conspiracy claiming birds are actually government surveillance drones. But here’s the thing—what if the joke isn’t as silly as it seems? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
As a holiday treat, Amanda of Wine & Crime, Javier of PRETEND, and Whitney of Navigating Advocacy sit down to chat true crime, being in the podcasting industry, cases that haunt us, dream collaborations, and more! Enjoy this bonus conversation and check out all of these amazing shows wherever you get your podcasts!  Javier Leiva - PRETEND, Criminal Conduct, Ponzi Playbook Amanda Jacobson - Wine & Crime  https://open.spotify.com/show/5OeKXVPomhbejM9v7CDqxJ?si=4451247ce3704a0a Whitney - Navigating Advocacy https://open.spotify.com/show/6I09OWnoDtibLjE7rfQqrH?si=9265b522586d4727 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
In today's Christmas episode, we delve into the story of David Ellisor, a man whose grand Christmas scheme left the city of Miami in disbelief. Ellisor, a real-life Grinch, planned to host "Christmas From Around the World," a supposed once-in-a-lifetime event promising the presence of ambassadors, live reindeer, and a spectacle of global traditions. But the event never happened. He collected the cash and made a run for it. This is a Christmas caper for the ages. Plus, listeners tell their own Christmas con stories. Merry Christmas! Happy Holidays! And I wish all of you a Happy New Year! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
The true crime podcasting community has come together for the holiday season to discuss all things true crime podcasting. Over the next two weeks, ten shows will be dropping bonus episodes sharing these conversations. In this episode, I'm joined by Alvin Williams (Affirmative Murder) and Josh Hallmark (True Crime Bullsh**) to discuss how we started our shows, true crime as an industry, how we've grown and lessons we've learned, cases we've covered, monetizing true crime, television, the future of our shows, and more. Check out Josh's and Alvin's shows: Affirmative Murder True Crime Bullsh** Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
When the IRS knocked on John Coutu's door, demanding $80,000, his girlfriend, Jennifer Mitchell, offered to help with his taxes. It seemed like a simple gesture of support. But John would soon find himself caught in a troubling situation. Unbeknownst to him, his taxes were never filed, and a series of lies began to unravel. As John speaks out, his story reveals a strange and complicated web that extends beyond his own experience. Today, we explore what happens when trust, love, and taxes collide. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
So, I've got to tell you about this crazy rabbit hole I slipped into. It's about that bizarre olive lady from the Maury show. Remember her? Olives freaked out Sally because they reminded her of, get this, dead people's eyes. Wild, right? I always wondered... Was Sally for real or just putting on a show for the cameras? This question led me to Anthony Freire, a guy who used to produce for Maury Povich. Man, the stuff I learned while putting together this episode! It’s like peeling back the curtain on daytime TV and finding a whole other world. Turns out, there are many mind games and behind-the-scenes tricks that go into making these shows. Anthony spilled the beans on how they get people to react a certain way or amp up their emotions for the audience. It's not just about Sally and her olive phobia. This episode digs into the bigger picture of how these TV shows mess with people's heads, both the guests and us viewers. If you're into the psychology used in reality TV shows or love a good behind-the-scenes story, you must check this out. It's not your average episode of PRETEND. I can't wait to hear what you all think. Tune in, and let's get our minds blown together! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Lisa Findley tried to steal Elvis Presley’s home. She almost got away with it. A con artist with a long history of scams almost pulled off her biggest scheme yet—stealing Elvis Presley’s iconic home, Graceland. Using fake documents and fabricated identities, Lisa Findley tried to claim ownership of the historic estate. In this episode, NBC News reporter Brandy Zadrozny takes us down a rabbit hole and shows us how she unraveled Findley’s web of lies, linking her to years of fraud and harassment. This is one of the boldest property scams in recent history, and Findley came dangerously close to succeeding/ We'll also talk about the loopholes that make these crimes possible. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
In this episode, Dr. Jan Canty, a psychologist, author, and podcast host, shares essential advice on recognizing and avoiding con artists in modern relationships. Dr. Canty, who experienced betrayal and tragedy in her life, offers insights into the red flags of deceptive individuals and provides practical tips for safeguarding against potential scams. Through her 'Don't Con Yourself' TikTok series, Dr. Canty breaks down each stage of interactions with con artists and how to protect oneself. She also discusses her life’s work in grief counseling, her compelling past, and the importance of trusting your gut feeling in relationships. Tune in to learn more about navigating the complexities of dating and protecting your personal boundaries. 00:20 Jan Canty's Tragic Past 01:05 Recognizing Con Artists 04:34 Understanding Psychopaths and Sociopaths 05:21 First Date Red Flags 14:24 Trusting Your Gut Instinct 16:09 CIA Techniques for Identifying Lies 21:34 Gaslighting 23:29 Dramatic and Unusual Histories 25:10 Understanding the Significance of Tattoos 28:26 The Importance of Personal Boundaries 29:26 Dealing with Missed Warning Signs 32:03 The Dangers of Sharing Personal Information Prematurely 35:14 Early Attempts at Control in Relationships 38:26 Preparing to Exit a Toxic Relationship 46:08 Finding True Love After Hardships PRETEND podcast featuring Jan Canty's life story The Sugar Daddy parts 1 & 2: https://open.spotify.com/episode/1jXDdZvO197GVomFLseUiq?si=35087f142efd41bd A Life Divided: A psychologist's memoir about the double life and murder of her husband - and her road to recovery https://www.amazon.com/Life-Divided-psychologists-husband-recovery/dp/0578685922 Domino Effect of Murder Podcast https://jancantyphd.com/podcast/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
The Rise and Fall of LaDonna’s Loudest Surrogate: David McClam LaDonna Humphrey’s most vocal supporter, David McClam, launched the We Are Not Afraid podcast to defend her against mounting accusations. Episode after episode, McClam promised to deliver proof that LaDonna’s critics were lying. But instead of delivering proof, McClam brought Alecia Lockhart’s alleged sexual abuser on air to dismiss her claims, issued personal threats to show up at my doorstep and attack me, and even threatened to send the anti-gay hate group Westboro Baptist Church to Anthony Christopher’s gay club for a "blood bath." This erratic behavior ultimately led to his podcast being pulled down from his hosting provider. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
LaDonna Humphrey groomed Lexi Kakis to be her next close ally—a “surrogate in training,” if you will. Drawn in by their shared passion for cold cases, Kakis found herself getting deeper into Humphrey’s world. Surprisingly, Kakis says she never experienced the harassment others have claimed, but during our interview, she learned how LaDonna truly felt about her. Kakis was with LaDonna the weekend the Pretend podcast series came out, and in a fit of desperation, LaDonna asked her to retaliate against her enemies. Now, Kakis looks back on how she narrowly avoided becoming more entangled in LaDonna's web. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
What's the old saying? People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. Well, it turns out that Dennis McCaslin, editor of LaDonna's tabloid blog, has some skeletons in his closet. Listen to part 3 of LaDonna's Surrogates: https://www.patreon.com/posts/ladonnas-part-3-114712491 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
LaDonna Humphrey uses her surrogates to do her dirty work; in part one, we discuss how she weaponized Dennis McCaslin, a Fort Smith, Arkansas tabloid blogger, to go after her enemies. Listen to LaDonna's Surrogates Part 2: https://www.patreon.com/posts/ladonnas-part-2-114024374 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
It’s hard to imagine former executives, investment fraudsters, and insider traders gathering for weekly support meetings. When I first heard about a support group for white-collar criminals, I was skeptical. It sounded like an SNL sketch: former hedge fund managers, insider traders, and embezzlers sitting in a circle, sharing their woes. However, Jeff Grant, the founder of the White Collar Support Group, doesn’t see it that way. After serving time for his crimes, Grant emerged with a mission—to help others like him rebuild their lives, one meeting at a time. “I was lost,” he admits. After his release from prison, Grant realized there was no blueprint for people like him to re-enter society. That’s why he founded the White Collar Support Group, a space for those prosecuted for financial crimes to navigate life after prison. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Where do sovereign citizens go when they need medical attention? Some of them seek help from homeopathic quacks like Rick Van Thiel.  Rick Van Thiel is not a surgeon. He's a porn star operating on people with dirty scalpels, reused needles, surrounded by filth. And the worst part is that he performs his surgeries in the nude.  This episode is part of my sovereign citizens series. I first learned about this story from Jerri William's podcast called FBI retired Case File Review. Disclaimer It's safe to assume that most PRETEND episodes are unsuitable for young children. Unfortunately, this is one of those episodes. In fact, trigger warning: today, we're going to talk about sexual assault and suicide. This episode is pretty disgusting. So, if you have the stomach for it, please proceed. You've been warned.   Check out my Spotify Radar Billboard in New York City: https://www.instagram.com/reel/DA8vNvnOSTF/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA== Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
In this episode of PRETEND, we uncover the unbelievable story of Carlos Henrique Raposo, better known as "Kaiser," the man who lived the life of a soccer legend without ever kicking a ball. He partied like a star, signed with major teams, and tricked the entire football world for nearly three decades. I sit down with the producer of Kaiser: The Greatest Footballer Never to Play Football, Louis Myles, to unravel how Kaiser pulled off this audacious stunt and the real story behind the myth. Keep the conversation going. Join the official PRETEND Facebook Group: Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
In this episode of PRETEND, I’m taking you back to the case of Tanya and Rick Fernandez—the Arizona couple behind one of the most bizarre harassment campaigns I’ve ever covered. For those of you who followed The Stalker series, you might think this story ended when they struck a plea deal, but not so fast. Despite completing court-ordered counseling and walking away without convictions, it looks like the Fernandezes are back at it. I'll fill you in on everything that's happened since our last episode, including an anonymous email, a bizarre self-published book, and their children's involvement in keeping the harassment alive. If you thought this story was over, you’ll want to hear what’s happened since. ______ Support our Patreon members and their small businesses: Rebel Dogs Detroit - is committed to saving dogs’ lives - not just cleaning up the streets. https://rebeldogsdetroit.com Guatemala Trading Company - Delicious chocolates, coffee, and spices from Guatemala https://guatemalatradingcompany.com/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Can you believe this is the 16th episode of our investigation into LaDonna Humphrey—a story that, honestly, I didn’t think would last this long. But here we are. Now, if you’ve followed along, you know this has been a wild ride. LaDonna, once a respected figure in the true crime community, has become the center of some truly shocking accusations. Stealing evidence from the Fort Smith Police Department? Allegations of harassment? Manipulating people for her own gain? It’s been hard to keep up, even for me. In this episode, we’ll get a little help trying to make sense of it all. I brought in retired FBI profiler Julia Cowley—yes, the Julia Cowley, the one who worked on the Golden State Killer case. She will help us break down LaDonna’s behavior and explain why someone might go to such extreme lengths to control others. You might be surprised by some of the parallels she draws between white-collar criminals and more violent offenders. We’re also going to revisit some of the disturbing messages that LaDonna has allegedly sent to her victims. And I’ll share some new evidence we’ve uncovered—evidence that links multiple harassing messages to a phone number connected to LaDonna herself. It’s the kind of proof that, quite frankly, is hard to ignore. But here’s what makes this episode different: today, we’re not just looking at the past. We’re asking what’s next for LaDonna Humphrey. With court cases, potential criminal investigations, and a growing list of accusers, is the end finally near for her? Or is this just another chapter in a never-ending saga? Guest: Julia Cowley, Retired FBI Profiler https://www.truecrimeconsult.com/ Watch LIVE Q&A: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJr5bDWJ2nY Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
We continue our investigation into Charles Ray Vines and his potential involvement in the Melissa Witt murder. In this episode, we track down Vines’ former neighbor and friend, Thomas Seymour. Seymour claims that he spoke with Vines just before Vines was heading to the bowling alley to meet a girl named Melissa. What other information does Seymour have that could shed light on this 30-year-old mystery? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Chris Latty

Holy shit, I know the family of Susan and not sure all her details are 100%... can't believe this came up while listening to this randomly!

Jan 4th
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Chris Latty

Javier isn't really naive enough to not think they told everyone he was coming and to be happy and on best behavior. sounds like they put on quite a show for him, not sure I've heard of an easier person to win over... lol

Dec 31st
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Chris Latty

It makes me laugh when people talk about towns with almost 5k ppl as "tiny" towns lol

Dec 27th
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sweet dee is azor ahai

what is wrong with men?

Dec 19th
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Jules

So sick of people who don't understand the First Amendment claim that their rights have been violated.

Dec 7th
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Noelia Villalpando

Come on!!! How can you not tell they put a show for you in that church?? Omg how can you talk so highly of al that???

Dec 5th
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Alaska

omg these guys are such clowns that I'm vicariously embarrassed. These are the types of goofy idiots that talk big when there's no chance of any kind of physical altercation. it's sooooo cringe!

Nov 20th
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Chris Latty

How much did this lady get in Covid PPE loans.....

Oct 31st
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Chris Latty

Next part is #13?? where is #12??? help!!

Oct 31st
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Chris Latty

How anyone ever believed anything this Ladonna lady has said is baffling to me, also the podcast with Aleisha is still up on here, I heard part of their first episode. No idea what they're talking about with episodes being taken down from that time, does look like she eventually got a new cohost.

Oct 30th
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Be

First, I do love this podcast. He refers to himself as a reporter, but all of his questions are leading. He also isn't the most ethical. If someone shares something with you and asks you not to share certain details, don't do it. Again, I like the podcast but sometimes it is a bit fucked up.

Oct 1st
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tracie johnson

Love the LaDonna! You could do episodes on her till the end of the year and still just scratch the surface. Dude, you need to ask a psychologist what wrong with this woman! But be careful, she sounds like she's crazy enough to send her minions after you!

Sep 24th
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Mary Mcgeehan

it's gotta be the mom....I won't skip ahead I won't skip ahead

Sep 4th
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Tim Beasley

digging the new season ❤️

Sep 4th
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Megan

ffs she is charming and easy to like. the way she talks, the tone of her voice, her mannerisms in speaking, etc., all these things are disarming and make her seem like a real good lady not a threat at all. so glad I never met her or I would so easily end up entangled in all her schemes too. I have a long way to go in developing my dangerous person defenses.

Jul 9th
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Alissa Maxwell

it's so convenient to have a disability that allows you to cop out of producing any evidence and, at the same time, a young female intern scapegoat.

Jun 24th
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Megan

So proud of Dr. 'Nae. Law enforcement, and customer service. Two professions to avoid if you do not want to listen to hours and hours of bs everyday.

Jun 18th
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Beth Waugh

This is a fantastic story! Her masks are incredible. so wild how something that you think would be one of the worst things that could happen to a person would lead to a life of creating art.

Mar 4th
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Megan

Javier I think your grandfather was pulling your leg. Grandparents like to have fun with their grandkids in this way sometimes.

Jan 30th
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Alaska

He says he just didn't understand the significance of a credit card when he made his father his first victim? At 15 years old? Come on... So this kid who doesn't understand still seems to know that it'd be easier to open a second card and his plan is to pay off the balance each month before it's due? Gee, I'd say he has a pretty good grasp of credit cards and how they work. It's just uncomfortable to say you knowingly took advantage of your own father purely out of avarice.

Jan 24th
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