Private Equity Podcast: Karma School of Business

Private equity insights for and with top business builders, including investors, operators, executives and industry thought leaders. The Karma School of Business Podcast goes behind the scenes of PE, talking about business best practices and real-time industry trends. You'll learn from leading professionals and visionary business executives who will help you take action and enhance your life, whether you're at a PE firm, a portco or a private or public company. BluWave Founder & CEO Sean Mooney hosts the Private Equity Karma School of Business Podcast. BluWave is the business builders' network for private equity grade due diligence and value creation needs. To learn more, visit: https://bit.ly/3oPBjs8

Private Equity Sourcing, Culture, and Data Discipline at Monomoy

Renn Iaboni, Managing Director at Monomoy Capital Partners, joins Sean to discuss how disciplined sourcing, cultural alignment, and a 15-year proprietary data engine shape Monomoy's approach to private equity. He shares how engineering training, relationship-driven BD, and resilience forged through career adversity inform the way he builds high-trust deal pipelines. Renn also details how Monomoy's Beacon platform connects BD, investment, and credit teams to operate as one cohesive firm. It's a candid look at what modern private equity excellence really requires — and why Monomoy's model stands apart. Episode Highlights 1:19 – Growing up in New York, engineering ambitions, and the winding path into private equity 3:04 – How engineering training equips professionals for ambiguity and problem-solving in PE 9:40 – Renn's pivotal career setback at Macquarie and how building a new practice became an inflection point 14:46 – Why Monomoy's integrated model works and how cross-functional collaboration is reinforced 17:53 – Inside "Beacon," Monomoy's proprietary CRM and sourcing engine 20:58 – A real case study: tracking Wapac for years and how long-term data compounds sourcing advantages 23:54 – Renn's advice to his 22-year-old self and how energy, not passion alone, should guide career choices

11-19
32:37

Drew Meyers on Value Creation at Seaport

In this episode of Karma School of Business, Sean Mooney interviews Drew Meyers, Partner at Seaport Capital. Drew shares how his unconventional path—from off-track betting to M&A integration—shaped his approach to lower middle-market private equity. He breaks down Seaport's focused strategy on founder-led businesses, where they invest early in professionalization across strategy, sales, and finance. The conversation covers everything from the importance of relationships and never burning bridges to how BluWave helps Seaport access cost-effective resources tailored to smaller portfolio companies. Episode Highlights: 2:00 - Drew's winding path into PE, including bartending and selling industrial insulation 6:00 - Why M&A integration experience is valuable training for private equity 13:00 - Working with founder-led businesses and understanding the founder mindset 19:00 - Seaport's three-part value creation playbook: strategy, sales, and finance 29:00 - How to professionalize early-stage companies without overspending 32:00 - Finding cost-compatible resources for $3M EBITDA businesses 35:00 - Career advice: never burn bridges and do things the right way For more information on Seaport Capital, go to https://www.seaportcapital.com/ For more information on Drew Meyers, go to https://www.linkedin.com/in/drew-j-meyers/

11-05
40:08

Private Equity in Q3 2025: Moving from Defense to Offense

In this special edition of the Karma School of Business, Sean Mooney, Founder and CEO of BluWave, breaks down key findings from BluWave's Q3 2025 Private Equity Insights Report. Drawing parallels between his son's fencing lessons and today's economic climate, Sean explains how the best investors are shifting from a defensive stance to an offensive one. Seeing through the noise, leaning forward, and playing to win. He shares fresh data showing that deal activity, due diligence spending, and AI investment are all surging—signs of an industry on the offense. From the manufacturing renaissance to the rise of flatter, AI-enabled organizations, Sean offers a grounded, data-backed view of where private equity and the broader economy are heading next. Episode Highlights 1:07 – The Sport of Fencing and PE: what private equity can learn from shifting from defense to offense 4:40 – Why the U.S. economy is "good enough" and accelerating despite the noise 11:45 – Deal data shows confidence returning: due diligence projects up 43% year-over-year 14:33 – PE firms' AI and analytics demand surges 300% and 1,600% for AI/ML advisory 18:39 – Manufacturing reshoring, venture collaboration, and the next wave of innovation 21:06 – The coming of flatter, AI-enabled organizations and what it means for talent 25:39 – Sticky inflation, rate cuts, and why the next economic cycle is already underway   For more on BluWave, visit: https://www.bluwave.net/ To request the full Q3 2025 Insights Report, visit: https://www.bluwave.net/insights-report/

10-22
29:01

Laurens Goff on Focus, Visibility, and Driving Value in B2B Services

In this episode of Karma School of Business, Sean Mooney interviews Laurens Goff, Co-Founder and Managing Partner at Stone Goff Partners. Laurens shares insights from his path to private equity, the founding story of his firm, and how leveraging focus and visibility transforms lower-middle-market companies. Key points include: 1:05 - Laurens' journey: From early life in Providence to successfully navigating investment banking and private equity. 9:52 - Stone Goff's evolution: Lessons learned as an independent sponsor and the foundation of a committed capital fund. 19:41 - The scorecard for success: Why visibility, recurring revenue, and vertical ecosystem focus create winning business models. 25:57 - Enabling value creation: The TEOS framework (Talent, Experts, Outsourced Resources, Support) and collaborative growth strategies. 34:52 - Supporting portfolio companies: Stone Goff's management summits and thought leadership tools to foster executive collaboration. For more information on Stone Goff, go to https://www.stonegoff.com/ For more information on Laurens Goff, go to https://www.linkedin.com/in/laurens-goff-ba47714 For more information on BluWave and this podcast, go to https://www.bluwave.net/podcasts

10-08
47:30

Scaling Consumer Brands: Jared Stein's Approach to Growth and Loyalty

Jared Stein, Co-founder and Partner at Monogram Capital Partners, shares his expert approach to scaling consumer businesses, fostering customer loyalty, and driving sustainable growth. From partnering with family-owned companies to identifying sectors with lasting demand, Jared provides actionable insights for excelling in fragmented markets and navigating today's rapid disruption cycles. A must-listen for private equity professionals and business builders looking to sharpen their playbook. Episode Highlights: 00:33 - Jared's family business origins and lessons learned from hard jobs 06:04 - Why "growth mindset" and passion are critical for business builders 13:23 - Scaling consumer brands: leadership, customer focus, and profitability 19:46 - Identifying winning brands: consumer loyalty and market potential 24:37 - Partnering with family businesses: trust, talent, and transformation 27:27 - Inside the Western Smokehouse case study: 5x EBITDA growth 30:51 - Building anti-fragility: Preparing businesses for rapid disruptions For more on Jared Stein's firm, visit: www.monogramcapital.com Connect with Jared Stein on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jared-stein-5a347820 Explore more episodes: www.bluwave.net/podcasts

09-24
41:00

Private Equity's AI Shift: Bob Morse on SaaS, Pricing, and Alignment

Sean Mooney speaks with Bob Morse, Co-Founder & Managing Partner at Strattam Capital, about the changing playbook in private equity, especially in tech. Morse traces his path from Morgan Stanley and Oak Hill to founding Strattam, then lays out a no-surprises model: turn cards face-up pre-signing, align on a founder-written five-point plan, and opt-in support with real accountability. He explains why AI threatens seat-based SaaS economics, where outcome pricing wins, and how PE firms should push portfolios to experiment while keeping the founder's innovative spark alive. Clear-eyed and practical, this conversation arms business builders with a framework to act now. Episode highlights 1:26 – An engineer's path into private equity 7:15 – Why tech needed a dedicated, specialized PE fund and the genesis of Strattam 13:03 – Solving the "first board-meeting surprise"  19:45 – The founder persona Strattam backs: industry operators with proven product-market fit 27:15 – AI as invention vs. innovation and the early business models that actually work 32:27 – The SaaS shake-up: from seat licenses to outcome-based pricing and financing impact 41:54 – "Aliens landed": a mantra for leading through uncertainty and running smart experiments For more on Bob Morse's firm, visit: https://strattam.com/  Connect with Bob Morse on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bob-morse-3567595/  Explore more episodes: www.bluwave.net/podcasts

09-10
46:39

Focus, Metrics, and AI: Dan Gaspar's Private Equity Strategies

Dan Gaspar, Partner at TZP Group, shares how private equity investors drive growth through focus, actionable insights, and strong partnerships. Hear Dan's approach to evaluating businesses, aligning on key priorities, and leveraging innovations like AI. With decades of experience, Dan breaks down what it takes to create value in today's dynamic market. A must-listen for private equity professionals and business builders alike. Episode Highlights: 1:12 - Dan Gaspar's pathway to private equity: A straightforward yet insightful start 12:14 - What "specialness" means when evaluating businesses for investment 19:33 - How TZP Group aligns with management teams to focus on 2–3 key growth priorities 26:19 - The role of AI in modern private equity: Dan's take on experimentation and adaptability 35:54 - Navigating uncertainty in today's market: Lessons on maintaining margins and flexibility 39:21 - Book recommendations for business builders: Traction, Good to Great, and Who Moved My Cheese 41:35 - Practical advice for private equity professionals and the value of collaborative partnerships For more on Dan Gaspar's firm, visit: www.tzpgroup.com Connect with Dan Gaspar on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dangaspar/ Explore more episodes: www.bluwave.net/podcasts

08-20
43:54

Private Equity's Resilience and Q2 2025 Economic Trends

The second quarter of 2025 showcased one of the most compelling periods for private equity, revealing how firms responded to disruption through strategic action and decisive adaptation.   Join BluWave Founder and CEO Sean Mooney as he unpacks the insights from BluWave's Q2 Private Equity Insights Report, including data showing rolling recovery trends, reshoring efforts in manufacturing, and technology investments.   This episode dives into the unique frameworks private equity applies to thrive amid uncertainty, setting the stage for long-term growth. Confidently engage with insights that matter to your business.   Episode Highlights 1:21 – Navigating stop-and-go economic disruptions: Key Q2 observations 5:45 – How private equity firms utilize OODA loops for decision-making 12:30 – April 2nd tariffs: A black swan reshaping manufacturing and trade 18:20 – Technology investments surge: AI and data projects skyrocket 27:05 – Resilience returns: PMI and consumer sentiment rebound in June 34:50 – The deal economy ramps up for mid- and long-term growth cycles 41:30 – Why private equity firms remain focused on growth investments   For more on BluWave, visit: https://www.bluwave.net/ To request the full Q2 2025 Insights Report, visit: https://www.bluwave.net/insights-report/

08-06
22:15

From Turnarounds to Growth: Ben Gaw on Building High-Performing Teams in Private Equity

In this episode of Karma School of Business, Sean Mooney speaks with Ben Gaw, Partner and Head of Portfolio Operations at Cross Rapids Capital. Ben shares stories from his journey as a first-generation immigrant to becoming a sought-after private equity leader, highlighting lessons learned from turnarounds, rapid decision-making, and building successful companies.   Episode Highlights: 1:03 - Ben's background: From chemical engineering to corporate turnarounds, restructuring, and private equity. 10:03 - What makes a good company great: Identifying defensible markets, customer relationships, and opportunities hidden in mismanagement. 12:20 - The Cross Rapids playbook: Leveraging pattern recognition, providing resources, and empowering management teams to execute. 18:13 - Advice for uncertain times: The importance of assembling the right team, moving quickly, and focusing on growth from day one. 22:27 - Soft skills and leadership: How servant leadership and bedside manner help operating partners and executives thrive.   For more information on Cross Rapids Capital, go to https://www.crossrapids.com/ For more information on Ben Gaw, go to https://www.linkedin.com/in/benjamingawjr For more information on BluWave and this podcast, go to https://www.bluwave.net/podcasts

07-16
28:57

What Dave Shephard Learned at West Point—and Applies in Private Equity

In this episode of Karma School of Business, Sean Mooney sits down with Dave Shephard, Director of Portfolio Operations at Rainier Partners. Dave shares how his military experience, consulting background at Bain, and hands-on leadership approach shape his work in private equity today. Key topics include: 1:30 - Dave's journey from West Point to portfolio operations, and how problem-solving shaped his career. 6:14 - Lessons from the military: Developing grit, resilience, and the ability to lead without authority. 13:48 - How Rainier Partners drives value creation through a defined, repeatable process: strategy alignment, tactical execution, and operational improvements. 30:31 - The foundational role of data and systems in applying AI to portfolio companies—and why starting small can make the difference. 40:14 - Dave's advice to his younger self and the value of curiosity, continuous learning, and thinking beyond immediate tasks. For more information on Rainier Partners, go to https://www.rainierpartners.com/ For more information on Dave Shephard, go to https://www.linkedin.com/in/dave-shephard-auxga/ For more information on BluWave and this podcast, go to https://www.bluwave.net/podcasts  

07-09
42:20

Board Meetings that Matter: Strategy, Structure, and Impact

This Karma School of Business feed drop from our sister podcast, Best But Never Final, explores the private equity approach to board meetings. Sean Mooney sits down with Lloyd Metz of ICV Partners and Doug McCormick of HCI Equity Partners to unpack how to turn board meetings into strategic powerhouses that drive real outcomes.   Episode Highlights: 02:24 - Why private equity board meetings focus on strategic impact over routine reporting. 10:33 - The structure of PE boards: Who's on them, the role of independent directors, and the value of concentrated ownership. 15:25 - How independent board members are chosen to address specific business needs and enhance executive decision-making. 35:55 - Avoiding tactical readouts: Making board meetings a forum for actionable strategy and meaningful discussions. 42:37 - Tactical details: Frequency, in-person vs. virtual meetings, committee structures, and agenda planning. To listen to more Best But Never Final episodes, go to https://bestbutneverfinal.buzzsprout.com/2247932 For more information on BluWave and this podcast, go to https://www.bluwave.net/podcasts

07-02
54:18

Elements of Value in Private Equity (Part 4): How PE Leaders Evaluate Businesses

In this episode of Karma School of Business, Sean Mooney continues the Elements of Value series, exploring what private equity professionals focus on when evaluating businesses that have the potential to thrive. You'll hear from: 0:49 - Vinay Kashyap of MainSail Partners on identifying bootstrap B2B software companies with strong growth potential, durable customer value propositions, and resourceful entrepreneurs. 6:19 - Kristin Johnson of Altamont Capital Partners on how her firm assesses market opportunities, team capabilities, alignment with founders, and introduces the concept of a "red team" to bring rigor to investment processes. 12:19 - Trent Hickman of VSS on partnering with founder-led businesses, the importance of management integrity, shared vision, and identifying "multiple ways to win." 20:50 - Misha Logvinov of MGX on the critical role of leadership quality, adaptability during change, and building a robust technology infrastructure that supports scalability and innovation. To listen to Vinay, Kristin, Trent or Misha's full podcast episode, go to https://www.bluwave.net/podcasts. To get connected to a world-class, perfect-fit service provider from our curated network, go to https://www.bluwave.net/start-a-project.

06-18
26:16

Two Decades of Investing in Franchise/Multi-Unit Businesses with CapitalSpring

Richard Fitzgerald, Co-Founder and Managing Partner at CapitalSpring, joins Sean Mooney to share the story behind one of the most enduring sector-focused firms in private equity. In a conversation that moves well beyond deal mechanics, Richard reflects on the early days of CapitalSpring, the value of sticking with a niche, and what it takes to build trust and alignment — across teams, LPs, and portfolio partners — over the long haul. Episode Highlights: 1:07 – Richard's path to private equity 7:53 – Building a sector-specialist investment firm with true competitive advantage 11:06 – We'd know Richard better if we knew this about him 18:27 – Working through hard things – navigating the pandemic 26:45 – The art of private equity in the franchise/multi-location sector – best practices 35:48 – Benefits of having a sector specialist franchisee investors for sponsors investing in franchisors 40:42 – Flexibility to provide both debt and equity solutions for growing businesses is a competitive advantage 43:05 – Richard's advice for his 22 year-old-self For more on CapitalSpring: https://www.capitalspring.com To connect with Richard Fitzgerald: https://www.linkedin.com/in/fitzgeraldrichard For more on Challenge Aspen: https://challengeaspen.org/ For more on the Michael J. Fox Foundation: https://www.michaeljfox.org/ Explore more episodes of Karma School of Business: https://www.bluwave.net/podcasts

06-11
49:56

The Private Equity Playbook for Add-On Strategy, Data Discipline & Value Creation | Brooke Ablon, Fort Point Capital

Brooke Ablon, Co-Founder and Partner at Fort Point Capital, joins Sean Mooney to share how his firm scales lower middle market companies through a precise mix of strategy, data, and partnership. From executing disciplined add-on acquisition plans to transforming founder-led businesses into institutional-grade operations, Brooke walks through a real-world private equity playbook that's built for today's competitive landscape. 🔑 Key Topics Covered: [00:01:09] How a psychology major and distressed investor found his way into private equity [00:10:22] What distressed investing teaches you about cash flow, value, and conflict [00:19:27] Fort Point's investment criteria: value proposition, management excellence, and fit [00:24:48] How to create value with strategic add-ons, board governance, and growth alignment [00:29:09] Using data analytics and utilization tracking to uncover hidden margin [00:32:34] Advice for management teams: think proactively, act decisively, use your data [00:40:24] Why private equity careers (and outcomes) are marathons, not sprints For more information on Fort Point Capital, go to: https://www.fortpointcapital.com For more information on Brooke Ablon, go to: https://www.linkedin.com/in/brooke-ablon-5168514 For more information on the Karma School of Business podcast, go to: https://www.bluwave.net/podcasts

06-04
49:38

How Private Equity Pros Build Enduring Value with Discipline & Data | Brian Neider, Lead Edge Capital

Brian Neider, Managing Partner at Lead Edge Capital, joins BluWave CEO Sean Mooney to break down what great private equity investing really looks like — from systematic sourcing to building one of the most engaged LP networks in the industry. This episode is packed with real-world lessons from 20 years of disciplined execution and growth equity innovation. Episode Highlights: [1:09] Brian's early lessons in entrepreneurship from running a vending business to building top-of-funnel strategy at Bessemer [6:09] How 20,000 cold calls built the foundation for Lead Edge Capital's thesis-driven sourcing [17:06] The 8-point "strike zone" framework Lead Edge uses to evaluate private equity opportunities [27:06] How Lead Edge's LP network drives differentiated value creation and portfolio company support [34:30] The role of instrumentation and data discipline in unlocking portfolio performance [39:57] Advice to early-career professionals: treat your time, relationships, and decisions like investments [45:25] Life hacks from an investor: walking pads, airline points intel, and email follow-up tools For more information on Lead Edge Capital, go to: https://www.leadedge.com For more information on Brian Neider, go to: https://www.linkedin.com/in/brian-neider-7774041/ For more information on the Karma School of Business podcast, go to: https://www.bluwave.net/podcasts  

05-28
52:44

Don McDonough on Leading A Private Equity Business Development Function

In this episode of Karma School of Business, Sean Mooney speaks with Don McDonough, Managing Director at GTCR, about his career in private equity and his role in building GTCR's business development function. Episode Highlights: 1:24 - Path to Private Equity: Don's journey from investment banking to private equity and his early career experiences. 4:56 - Leadership Lessons: How sports and teamwork shaped Don's approach to leadership and problem-solving. 10:09 - Building a New Role: Challenges and strategies in developing GTCR's business development function. 27:04 - Value Creation Themes: GTCR's focus on technology, AI, and proactive risk management strategies to drive portfolio growth. 33:02 - Advice to Younger Self: Don's insights on identifying strengths, following passions, and seeking mentorship. For more information on GTCR, go to https://www.gtcr.com/ For more information on Don McDonough, go to https://www.linkedin.com/in/don-mcdonough-a6a3611 For more information on BluWave and this podcast, go to https://www.bluwave.net/podcasts/

05-21
38:35

Foundations of Leadership: Private Equity Insights with Dave Schnadig

In this episode of Karma School of Business, Sean Mooney connects with Dave Schnadig, Co-President of Cortec Group, for an inspiring conversation about private equity, leadership, and the many lessons Dave has learned through his dynamic career.   Dave shares his journey from his family's entrepreneurial roots to leading one of private equity's most successful firms. Along the way, he dives deep into stories of overcoming challenges, including the Yeti turnaround, managing tariffs, and how to guide portfolio companies through dynamic markets. Episode Highlights: 1:14 - Formative Years: Dave's entrepreneurial childhood and lessons from his family business that shaped his approach to private equity. 7:18 - Journey to Cortec Group: How Dave's experience in investment banking and private equity led him to one of the most unique models in the industry. 20:33 - Philosophy of Ownership: Why being "all in" is critical to succeeding in private equity, both for GPs and portfolio leaders. 22:35 - Yeti's Turnaround Story: How tenacity and smart strategic decisions transformed a significant challenge into one of private equity's top home runs. 42:10 - Mitigating Tariffs: Dave explains Cortec's proactive approach to addressing tariffs and supplier diversification across portfolio companies. 48:27 - Adventure and Balance: Dave's advice for finding balance through curated family trips and why experiences matter as much as success in business. For more information on Cortec Group, go to https://cortecgroup.com/ For more information on Dave Schnadig, go to https://www.linkedin.com/in/dave-schnadig-a585529 For more information on BluWave and this podcast, go to https://www.bluwave.net/podcasts

05-14
58:20

Data, AI, and Leadership: Essential Lessons for Private Equity from Misha Logvinov

In this episode of Karma School of Business, Sean Mooney sits down with Misha Logvinov, Managing Director and New York Office Lead at MGX, to discuss the essential lessons he's learned throughout his entrepreneurial journey and private equity career. Together, they explore actionable insights on leadership, adaptability, and leveraging technology for value creation in private equity and beyond. Episode Highlights: 1:19 - Misha's Early Journey: Growing up in post-Soviet Russia, launching entrepreneurial ventures as a teen, and transitioning to Silicon Valley during the dotcom boom. 7:22 - Entry into Private Equity: Misha describes his unplanned move into private equity after years as a tech operator and entrepreneur. 13:43 - Hallmarks of Great Companies: Key factors Misha looks for in businesses poised for success, including strong leadership, adaptability, and robust tech infrastructure. [00:18:31] Value Creation at MGX: How MGX helps portfolio companies grow by integrating cutting-edge AI and data strategies. [00:23:16] Actionable Advice: Misha highlights the importance of prioritizing data readiness, embracing AI for operational improvement, and rethinking leadership approaches for the future. [00:33:44] Advice to Younger Self: Misha reflects on the importance of balancing drive with kindness while pursuing high performance. For more information on MGX, go to https://www.mgx.ae/en For more information on Misha Logvinov, go to https://www.linkedin.com/in/mlogvinov For more information on BluWave and this podcast, go to https://www.bluwave.net/podcasts

05-07
39:28

Private Equity Q1 Insights: Adapting to Economic Shifts and Deal Market Trends

In this episode of Karma School of Business, Sean Mooney shares key insights from Q1 2025, covering private equity activity and responses to evolving economic conditions. Examining GDP, easing inflation, and rebounding deal activity, Sean discusses how private equity professionals are adapting strategies to capitalize on opportunities while managing risks such as emerging tariffs and global complexities. Episode Highlights: [00:04:03] Economic Landscape: Sean breaks down Q1 economic data, including inflation approaching the Federal Reserve's 2% target, GDP evaluation, and job market resilience with a 4% unemployment rate. [00:05:23] Deal Market Trends: BluWave's activity index reveals rising due diligence activity, with Q1 showing a 15% year-over-year increase. Sean highlights stronger deal flow from firms like Hidden Harbor. [00:10:47] Tariff Volatility: Sean explains how new tariff policies are driving demand for procurement and logistics strategies as private equity firms adapt to unforeseen complexities. [00:18:01] Strategic Recalibration: Sean discusses the importance of clearer guidance from Washington and how private equity continues to mitigate risk while identifying opportunities in an uncertain global landscape. To request the Q1 2025 Private Equity Insights Report, go to https://www.bluwave.net/insights-report.

04-30
20:10

Private Equity Resilience: Turning Adversity Into Opportunity

This episode of Karma School of Business explores how resilience, tenacity, and grit enable private equity professionals to turn risk into opportunity. Sean Mooney reflects on industry responses to the 2008 financial crisis and COVID-19, showcasing how frameworks like Colonel John Boyd's OODA Loop (Observe, Orient, Decide, Act) drive action during times of uncertainty.  Episode Highlights: 0:34 -Sean's preamble: How private equity reframes risk in uncertain times, with a focus on the 2008 financial crisis and COVID-19.  12:05 - Andrew Joy: Overcoming immense personal adversity, including a near-fatal injury, and rebuilding his life to graduate valedictorian from Emory University.  19:36 - Sean expands on Andrew's mindset shift: The power of small victories and how they mirror resilience in private equity.  26:19 - Rob Konrad: Surviving a 16-hour swim in open ocean by relying on clarity and determination.  31:12 - Sean reflects on Rob's story: Lessons on resilience and decision-making in life and business.    To listen to Andrew's full episode, go to https://www.bluwave.net/podcasts/andrew-joy-hidden-harbor/ To listen to Rob Konrad's full episode, go to https://www.bluwave.net/podcasts/rob-konrad-alterna-equity-partners/ For more information on BluWave and this podcast, go to https://www.bluwave.net/podcasts/

04-23
34:34

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