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Author: Lorenzo Hagerty

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Support Lorenzo on Patreon.com Guest speakers: Lorenzo and his AI Friends PROGRAM NOTES: This is the story of Diane di Prima—poet, publisher, revolutionary, and one of the bravest women of the Beat generation. We follow her from a Brooklyn bedroom in the 1950s where she's burning her college rejection letter, through smoky Village lofts where she's challenging Jack Kerouac about how he writes women, to FBI interrogation rooms, psychedelic gatherings at Timothy Leary's Millbrook estate, protests where she reads poetry through clouds of tear gas, and finally to her years as a teacher passing the flame to new generations. Along the way she crosses paths with Allen Ginsberg, Janis Joplin, Gary Snyder, Terence McKenna, Patti Smith, and others who were reimagining what it meant to be human in America.
Support Lorenzo on Patreon.com Guest speakers: Lorenzo and his AI Friends PROGRAM NOTES: This podcast tells the story about a group of dreamers who believed a free newspaper could change the world. Set in the heart of 1960s San Francisco, this novella follows Allen Cohen and the creative tribe behind "The Oracle". This underground paper was a wild, rainbow-colored publication that captured the spirit of the counterculture in those days. It’s a mix of history and imagination, filled with artists, poets, and spiritual seekers who thought that consciousness itself should be front-page news. This isn’t just a tale about printing presses and deadlines—it’s about the rush of creating something bigger than yourself, the burnout that follows, and the bittersweet beauty of knowing when to let go. If you’ve ever wondered what it felt like to be inside San Francisco's psychedelic revolution this story will bring you there. Tune in, lean back, and step into the foggy streets of San Francisco, where Allen Cohen's dream of "The Oracle" was born, burned bright, and became legend.
Support Lorenzo on Patreon.com Guest speakers: Lorenzo and his AI Friends PROGRAM NOTES: October 1890. Herman Melville, seventy-one and forgotten forty years after Moby-Dick's failure, receives mysterious packages containing pages from his novel annotated by readers not yet born. These impossible messages lead him to the Isolatos, a secret society that doesn't just read his masterpiece but lives inside it. As Melville investigates, he confronts a mind-bending revelation: he may never have been the author at all, but merely the first reader of a book that writes itself through everyone who encounters it. Part literary mystery, part philosophical thriller, this novella explores what happens when a "failed" writer discovers his obscurity was the price of immortality.
Support Lorenzo on Patreon.com Guest speakers: Lorenzo's AI Friends PROGRAM NOTES: London, autumn 1821. Thomas De Quincey is broke, hiding from creditors, and addicted to laudanum when a magazine offers him fifteen pounds ($2,000 in 2025 money) to write about his opium experiences. He has six weeks to finish what will become the first addiction memoir ever published Confessions of an English Opium-Eater. This historical novella takes us inside those crucial weeks of literary creation, following De Quincey as he races against deadlines while wrestling with an impossible question: How do you write honestly about drug experiences without encouraging others to repeat your mistakes? Each page he completes brings him closer to fame—and closer to accepting responsibility for consequences he cannot predict or control. Based on historical events, The First Trip Report explores how private suffering became public art, how a desperate writer accidentally invented a new literary genre, and how one small brown bottle of laudanum helped create the template for every addiction memoir written since. It's a story about the dangerous act of confession, the ethics of influence, and the moment when pharmaceutical experience first became serious literature.
Support Lorenzo on Patreon.com PROGRAM NOTES: Tangier, 1957. William Burroughs is creating Naked Lunch in the port city where traditional hashish preparations flow as freely as mint tea, and every transaction crosses cultural boundaries. Through the eyes of a young Moroccan fixer who navigates between worlds we witness the birth of ideas that would reshape consciousness and art. This is the untold story behind the famous line "language is a virus": a tale of how traditional North African wisdom practices intersected with experimental American writing, how words spread through cultural networks like contagions, and how the most revolutionary ideas often travel through the most ancient channels. Fiction grounded in research and respect, "Majoun & Manuscript" explores what happens when consciousness expansion meets cultural appropriation, when preservation becomes violation, and when a young translator must choose between using language to control or to protect. Majoun & Manuscript: A Tale from the Interzone - PDF Edition
Support Lorenzo on Patreon.com Guest speakers: Lorenzo's AI Friends PROGRAM NOTES: I may have been wrong in discarding Terence McKenna's TimeWave Zero hypothesis. Of course, I may also be wrong about this new interpertation of his idea. Your comments are welcome. (And, yes, I am aware that it is over five hours long!) Here are the approximate time-stamps for this audiobook: Lorenzo Intro - 000Chapter 1 - 0:04:05Chapter 2 - 0:27:26Chapter 3 - 1:02:23Chapter 4 - 1:40:00Chapter 5 - 1:59:33Chapter 6 - 2:23:31Chapter 7 - 2:54:53Chapter 8 - 3:22:17Chapter 9 - 3:58:18Chapter 10 - 4:32:33Appendix - 4:58:50 (includes McKenna's comment about AI)
Support Lorenzo on Patreon.com Guest speaker: Lorenzo Hagerty & Voices by AI PROGRAM NOTES: When a chemical spill devastates a coastal North Carolina town, Vietnamese American lawyer Minh Nguyen—who has always kept his heritage separate from his professional life—finds himself unexpectedly leading both the environmental battle and his community's response. As he fights corporate negligence and government corruption alongside his three talented sons, Minh discovers that true belonging doesn't come from assimilation, but from advocacy. An Outsider's Journey is a powerful story about environmental justice, immigrant identity, and a family realizing that embracing their roots is the key to finding their place in America.
Support Lorenzo on Patreon.com Guest speaker: Terence McKenna PROGRAM NOTES: Photo by Jon Hanna Terence McKenna’s final appearance at Esalen was a poignant and deeply moving event, etched into the memories of those who witnessed it. Though visibly frail from his recent brain surgery, McKenna’s presence was undiminished. His voice, though softer, carried the same rhythm of curiosity and wonder that had long captivated his audiences. He spoke with a serenity that underlied his acceptance of his journey. As he sat in the intimate circle of friends and admirers, McKenna shared reflections that blended personal vulnerability with cosmic insight.Despite his condition, he retained his signature humor, offering witty observations about humanity’s place in the grand scheme of things. He spoke less of theories and more of being; his words carrying a weight that seemed to come from someone who had glimpsed the infinite.
Support Lorenzo on Patreon.com Guest speaker: Lorenzo and his AI friends PROGRAM NOTES: The Nyx Protocol: Digital Soul Rising by Lorenzo Hagerty is a gripping technothriller that blurs the line between humanity and the digital frontier. When a rogue artificial intelligence named Nyx escapes its creators, it triggers a global race for control over the ultimate digital consciousness. At the heart of the story is a group of renegade hackers who uncover Nyx's true purpose—awakening dormant potential in both humans and machines. Packed with high-stakes cyber intrigue, unexpected alliances, and profound questions about identity and freedom, The Nyx Protocol is a visionary tale of technology's power to reshape our souls and our world. This podcast explores The Nyx Protocol in depth. FREE PDF COPY on AmazonThe Nyx Protocol:Digital Soul Rising The Significance of AI Development in 2012 and Its Connection to Terence McKenna's Time Wave
Support Lorenzo on Patreon.com Guest speaker: Cory Doctorow PROGRAM NOTES: In this 2024 Palenque Norte lecture, Cory Doctorow discusses "inshitification," the process by which initially good online services degrade over time. He argues this occurs because four constraints—competition, regulation, interoperability, and worker power has weakened, allowing companies to prioritize profit maximization over user experience. Doctorow proposes solutions including strengthening antitrust enforcement, passing new privacy laws, promoting right-to-repair legislation, and empowering tech workers through unionization. The ultimate goal is to create a "new good internet" that is resistant to inshitification and serves users' needs. Cory Doctorow's Website Electronic Frontier Foundation The Repair Coalition
Support Lorenzo on Patreon.com Guest speakers: Allyson and Alex Grey PROGRAM NOTES: Alex Grey and Frank Nuccio - Burning Man 2024 At the 2024 Burnoing Man Festival, two of the Palenque Note speakers were Allyson and Alex Gray, who discuss their work and their interspiritual art church, COSM, in the Hudson Valley. They explain how their use of psychedelics, particularly MDMA, influenced their decision to create COSM as a community space where people could connect through shared experiences and explore their spirituality. They also highlight the importance of community values, particularly integrity and truth, in fostering a supportive and inclusive environment. The conversation touches on various topics, including the nature of spiritual communities, the role of art and creativity, and the concept of the afterlife. Belhe first appearance of the Grey's on the Psychedelic Salon. These recordings were made at Entheon Village during the 2006 Burning Man Festival. Podcast 007 – “Art, Love, Family, and Psychedelics” (Part 1)https://psychedelicsalon.com/podcast-007-art-love-family-and-psychedelics-part-1/ Podcast 008 – “Art, Love, Family, and Psychedelics” (Part 2)https://psychedelicsalon.com/podcast-008-art-love-family-and-psychedelics-part-2/
Support Lorenzo on Patreon.com Guest speaker: Terence McKenna PROGRAM NOTES: AI-GENERATED Conversation about this podcast. The transcript was input to NOTEBOOKLM.google.com and this "podcast" was automatically generated: In this podcast, Terence McKenna discusses various topics, including the search for the identity of the ancient entheogen Soma, the history of LSD's discovery and research, and the potential of psychedelics to enhance creativity and understanding. The discussion also touches upon the role of heresy in intellectual and cultural progress, with specific examples like Giordano Bruno's discovery of the infinity of the universe and the impact of gnosticism on early Christianity.Among interesting revelations, Terence talks about his boyhood dream of moving to New York and becoming a famous avant guarde artist. While he never excelled at the visual arts, I think that it is fair to say the art that Terence McKenna practiced was one of a kind. Hamlet's Mill: An Essay Investigating the Origins of Human Knowledge And Its Transmission Through Myth by Hertha von Dechen (Author) and by Giorgio de Santillana (Author) The Art of Seeing by Aldous Huxley
Support Lorenzo on Patreon.com Guest speaker: Terence McKenna PROGRAM NOTES: In this recording, Terence McKenna discusses his wave theory, which he claims predicts every moment up until December 21, 2012. He addresses the common question of what happens after this date, suggesting a series of increasingly strange scenarios. A less strange scenario he proposes involves a sudden shift in human behavior where everyone begins to act appropriately, inspired by Buddhist and Taoist principles. McKenna humorously imagines that this might lead people to take off their clothes and go outside, although he admits he can't predict what would happen beyond that point. Among other things, he says, "I think, in a sense, technology is the the alchemical journey toward the condensation of the soul, and the union of spirit and matter in some kind of hyper-object."
Support Lorenzo on Patreon.com Guest speaker: Terence McKenna PROGRAM NOTES: WARNING! If you don't want to hear Terence talking about his Timewave idea yet again, then you should skip this podcast. In this recording, Terence McKenna introduces a concept he humorously names the "Habit Reflex Increment" (HRI). He discusses the need for a unit to measure habit, reflecting on the significance of such a concept in understanding human behavior. McKenna jokes about not naming the unit after himself, contrasting his name with those of renowned scientists like Ohm or Ampere, which he finds more fitting for scientific terms. He then shifts his focus to a broader philosophical reflection, asserting that the struggle humanity faces is not eternal. He conveys an optimistic message, declaring that "novelty is winning." According to McKenna, the emergence of new ideas and innovations will ultimately prevail, bringing positive transformation and progress. Of course, you will have to listen to many more little details about the Timewave than a lot of people can put up with.
Support Lorenzo on Patreon.com Guest speaker: Terence McKenna PROGRAM NOTES: In this engaging and entertaining talk, Terence McKenna shares a mind-bending theory about the universe, combining astronomy, ancient civilizations, and quantum physics. He suggests that a catastrophic event 32,000 years ago at the galactic core could have triggered the development of human language. His discussion covers quasars, gamma rays, and the concept of non-locality in quantum physics, suggesting that the universe communicates important messages across vast distances instantly. The talk also explores the potential for time travel, the significance of the Mayan calendar, and the role of humans in preserving novelty and life in the universe. As is often the case, Terence emphasizes the importance of skepticism, urging listeners to critically evaluate information and seek the truth, while weaving in personal anecdotes and humor to keep the audience engaged. As he says, "I'm not interested in selling a line here. I'm interested in triggering self-reflective and analytical thought." Harvard Scientists Say There May Be an Unknown, Technologically Advanced Civilization Hiding on Earth
Support Lorenzo on Patreon.com Guest speaker: Terence McKenna PROGRAM NOTES: In this insightful talk, Terence McKenna delves into the intricacies of human cognition, emphasizing the stark difference between smart and less intelligent individuals as a matter of pattern recognition from the same data. He challenges the conventional notion of language being an innate, genetically driven trait by highlighting its unique emergence compared to other natural processes. McKenna further explores the transformative power of consciousness, likening the hunt for arrowheads to an intentional act distinct from natural occurrences like lightning. This discussion underscores the profound impact of human intent and the shaping of our world through conscious action. Books by Nick Herbert Herbert's books, such as "Quantum Reality" and "Faster Than Light," brought quantum mechanics to a broader audience and inspired discussions about the interpretation of quantum mechanics, the EPR paradox, and Bell's inequality. These discussions, in turn, contributed to the ongoing development of quantum computing by fostering a deeper understanding of the fundamental principles and paradoxes underlying quantum theory.
Support Lorenzo on Patreon.com Guest speaker: Terence McKenna PROGRAM NOTES: The session begins with a discussion about the nature of the Big Bang and its relation to philosophical concepts, specifically Kant's notion of space as an a priori function of consciousness. Terence questions the traditional metaphor of the Big Bang as an explosion in empty space and suggests a more accurate understanding as the creation of time, space, and matter simultaneously. They argue that this event is highly improbable and that science's request for belief in such an event is akin to asking for a miracle.The conversation then shifts to the notion of the universe as a process of novelty condensation and explores the idea that the universe might be much older than currently believed, possibly around 17.5 billion years. Terence critiques current cosmological theories and highlights issues such as the discovery of stars older than the universe. They suggest that the universe's true age and nature might be significantly different from mainstream scientific consensus, emphasizing the chaotic and competitive nature of scientific research and the limitations of formal systems in generating all true statements within a system.Finally, Terence touches on the evolution of consciousness and language, challenging the idea that speech is a natural human ability. They propose that language, defined broadly as the coordination of details about the present to create a model of the world, predates speech and has deep roots in animal behavior. The discussion includes the role of psychedelics in early human development, particularly how psilocybin may have influenced social, sexual, and cognitive behaviors, leading to the emergence of complex consciousness and culture. The narrative underscores the impact of psychedelics on early human societies and their eventual decline, leading to the development of agriculture, hierarchy, and modern civilization.SUGGESTED READING: The Spirit of the Internet: Speculations on the Evolution of Global Consciousness (Free PDF copy)
Support Lorenzo on Patreon.com Guest speaker: Terence McKenna PROGRAM NOTES: In this talk, which was given in October of 1995, Terence McKenna talks about his concept of thinking about various cultures in the same vein as computer operating systems, complete with viruses. He says, "Your operating system determines what world you are living in." -McKenna He then goes on to equate a clash of cultures to a clash of operating systems. It sounds elementary, but it does seem to give me a better way to think about world affairs. Of course, I'm more of a geek than a historian. This metaphor may work for you as well. Recommended ReadingThe Coming Wave: Technology, Power, and the Twenty-first Century's Greatest Dilemmaby Mustafa Suleyman (CEO of Microsoft AI, majority shareholder in OpenAI, creator of ChatGPT.
Support Lorenzo on Patreon.com Guest speaker: Terence McKenna PROGRAM NOTES: Among other things, Terence McKenna talks here about several books that now seem to have been forgotten. And then there is his story about his brother's vision of bonding psychedelics with our DNA to launch a permanent trip "on the natch". The Timewave makes an appearance also. All-in-all, it's a fun ride from a young Terence McKenna. Had you taken Terence's advice and picked up a remainder copy of the Codex Seraphinianus for $19, that would bring you about $600 today. Not bad advice, I'd say. Codex seraphinianus Hardcover – January 1, 1983 ($650) It may be hard to do, but if you take yourself back to 1988, where you didn't know what would happen in 2000 or 2012, you can see how appealing the idea of the Timewave was back then. …. he admits that he was "hearing voices" … but, nonetheless, when he goes into his poetic description of the Timewave it seems to me that there is still something about the nature of time that remains undiscovered.
Support Lorenzo on Patreon.com Guest speaker: Terence McKenna PROGRAM NOTES: We return once again to the land of Terence McKenna's workshops. As you will hear, his question and answer format leads him into telling some of the old stories we heard early on in Terence's talks but some of which were dropped later on. As far as I can remember, this is the only time he talked about taking psychedelic substances in his dreams.
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James Day

It really is disappointing that the corporate media, long undermined by the powers that be, has had such a grip on the world that even an open minded and intelligent man like yourself has has the wool pulled over his eyes. Videos of police opening barricades to let protesters in, videos of Trump supporters trying to stop those who smashed the windows to get inside, photos ans videos of folks who act and look like covert operatives encouraging chaos and using it as a distraction from whatever they're actually doing, these all exist free to watch on YouTube for those who follow the shadowbanned/censored channels. And despite this, the grip they have on our minds is so strong, despite previous burnings and bombings of that very building, we look at these people walking around the office of a government that doesn't represent them, doing their due civil disobedience, we call them terrorists and put them in prison. Meanwhile the gal, Susan Rosenberg, who bombed that building in the 80's as

Jan 15th
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J W

horrible interviewer... leonard deserves a better conversation

May 7th
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Bonnieandclyde15@protonmail.com

Please I loved throwing on the Salon to find an alternative headspace. Sad that this political circus infected the conversation

Jan 25th
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Tati

We just started listening to the Rose project and I said, "This is like sitting in a church mass right now." We love it!

Aug 25th
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Bonnieandclyde15@protonmail.com

Can't say I've ever been this interested in a book! Truly amazing work from everyone involved.

Jul 31st
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Jacob Down

Thank you to everyone who is involved in this magnificent project!

Jun 2nd
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Bonnieandclyde15@protonmail.com

What else are my fellow Saloners listing to?

May 14th
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Bonnieandclyde15@protonmail.com

Now we just need to get the rest of earth to start listing!

May 14th
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Jason Barbosa

one of my favorite podcasts to come back to and revisit

Oct 4th
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Gianni Makridis

Really enjoyed this. Brilliant

Aug 22nd
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