Psychotechnologies live

working with anger desire to make a declaration excitement the knowing drive yawning as energetic process "I don't like what's going on and it's making me angry" interiors and exteriors 32 body parts meditation (and elements meditation disgust for bodies getting over an ex partner and intrusive thoughts relationships (relationships are hard) opera - life knocks softly at first.

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Some review of "suffering" be mindful of the object of suffering as it moves a lot https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bh%C5%ABmi_(Buddhism) challenge?  Or suffering? rituals for starting work (walk, coffee, clean desk etc) self! is the self the thinker, the body, the awareness. shadow aspects of self. Vajrayana self and identity self and parts work, internal conflict guru method and self mistakes how to investigate the self a story about the meditator's narrator and how I dealt with it the path of many paths.

Suffering - and we mean the ordinary suffering of day by day, not the extraordinary suffering like torture.  We mean all suffering Suffering is real, and here, and every day and worth understanding There's a way to skillfully understand and operate around suffering There's a need to acknowledge and meet the suffering There's bad habits around suffering like running away from it that need to be understood better. Go and meet suffering People bug us about their suffering We have experience blind spots - we can't see our ordinary Giving space to people thinking, helps them to have the insight Gratitude - giving and receiving gratitude is hard - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EiVroMOjk-M "othering" people, the way we make other people "bad" intersectionality we often run towards or away from suffering and amplify suffering when we do put on a face to convey a point and prevent future suffering

3 paths, 3 schools, 3 characteristics Theravada - impermanence Mahayana - Suffering Vajrayana - No self impermanence of the breath impermanence of food supply chain hyperventilating and physiological states and their impermanence states and their impermanence past, present and future and the confusion of permanence (you always do this) skillful operation of permanence and impermanence

energy energry conversion paths types of energy subtle energy creative energy energy skill solving energy problems balancing of energy phenomenology of bananans sensitivity and sensitivity to energy pallet cleaner habits for energy change energy healer signal and noise with energy goal alignment with energy spirits and the energy of spirits "in comes wine, out comes secrets" chakras and some experiments in feeling energy

ze frank covid trust monopoly on truth trust - make bets directly knowing reality  trusting others drama is consciousness the same in different people healthy world views embodiment trungpa and the 3 schools of buddhism

Guests Serene and Jack Does faith give you an edge Judaism Drama triangle Transactional Analysis - Eric Berne "games people play" Kids behave in ways that copies their environment God as a continuity object of meditation Religion has the power to say, "you must do x" Off The Derech Manifestation Turtle & porcupine Rationalists like to make bets to put money on the line for their predictions goals as flags in the distance Biblical Daniel story Working to resolve the inner critic 10x rule - Grant Cardone Pragmatic Psychology Academia runs with a perceived "mandate from heaven"

vaccination and post vaccination symptoms post event trauma aftercare minds self organise baby perspective on the world good & evil emotions as a baby the epistemics of having kids vs not having kids what changed psychologically when you had a kid parenting strategies education system (and integral politics) interfacing with society we need to outsource some of our wisdom to society what are the skills of tomorrow? (STEM, Comp, Psyc, Psychotech, Martial arts) fights 4 f's - fight, flight, freeze, fawn patterns from parents natural (physical) heirarchy) fine motor skills (the peg exercise) explaining to little kids, map and territory natural consequences (being in the snow barefoot) explaining things to kids (languages) meditative childlike return to wonder concentration (jhanas) craft your own high guru path jhana cycle spiritual sales pitch

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1:33 An initiation to game B 6:15 they are saying, "this is the story of humanity", The "era of Game B" 8:55 archetypes being presented 9:22 this is revisionist, we ate all the megafauna - we didn't act in harmony, we killed everything 11:15 some historical contexts for our past 12:33 carbon dating can only measure things that were alive in the last 100,000 years 15:12 Maori culture (my dates are a bit off, see wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C4%81ori_people ) 17:00 how many times did one tribe wipe out another tribe across history? (countlessly) 18:48 we are only here because our ancestors killed the other people 19:57 I would like us to be fine with how gruesome our history is 20:25 by telling a soft, kind history, we keep the population docile 23:24 did animals and plants domesticate us?  (rather than us domesticating them) 24:17 different cultures are shaped by the food (not food shaping the culture) 28:50 Agent arena relationship, from the wheat's perspective, they piggyback on human intelligence to carry it to the stars 31:50 Fragility seems false, bible story 7 years of plenty followed by 7 years of famine 32:42 a story not woven: the two games support each other and interpenetrate each other 34:30 Demonising complicated technology 35:48 our society has a lot of externality processes that we don't account for 36:12 we filled up the radio wave spectrum 38:34 would Thomas Edison still have invented the light bulb if he had thought through the negative externalities of his invention?  Probably yes 39:51 we can feed people but polluting the river is bad, ideally we can do both but that's still coming 40:44 "technology good" and "technology bad" are both wrong beliefs 44:34 There's a fundamental battle of "what is your base metaphysical belief" from which other phenomena sprout out of 45:41 they are constructing the frame to make the solution fit 47:34 Suddenly scared of how easy it is to manipulate other people's understanding of reality 49:38 The Christian structure of religion inoculates you against polytheism 50:28 polytheism vs monotheism (spiral dynamics 2nd level - purple) 55:49 everything is happening all the time vs the single pointed witness 57:30 the Pre-Trans fallacy 59:36 how did a seemingly crazy person rise a status hierarchy while they were seemingly insane 1:00:27 They are not just the backwards weirdos, they are the forwards geniuses (Elon, russell brand, John Mcaffee).  It's very hard to integrate these things 1:03:22 They propose that adherence to the structure of society is inherent to game A 1:04:22 There are both natural laws and society laws and if you don't follow them, you find out what happens 1:05:31 a thorn to remove a thorn, but is this actually removing the thorn? 1:06:58 they could have said, "what keeps the parasite in place is that we started to generate our own laws of society and following them so that we get along" but they mixed up game A and game B concepts 1:07:45 "no artificial flavours" naturalist fallacy, and a personal story about allergies 1:11:45 ask more questions for the rest of the timestamps see the youtube comments https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFyUkezPXgQ

Locus of control politics people have a habit of not tolerating small suffering and instead make bigger suffering anticipation suffering (we anticipate it's going to be very bad) suffering doesn't feel the same as when we first found it sometimes the size of the phenomena is relative to the being having it or experiencing it. minds like to make sweeping conclusions, its like black/white thinking instead of shades of grey man with a hammer syndrome try the hammer on everything activation energy model colours that don't exist what happens when you hold your breath? mundane phenomena and the goal vs journey phenomena north star of directions the real treasure is the friends we made along the way life starts after the pandemic life starts after a change in context "this is your mission" as an inspiration message wake up call - this is where your life could go information theory, spread of information product spread make an impact we are the friends we made along the way

Psychotechnologies live stream (7) basics are boring repetition enjoy current task agitated swimming in air/water noticing language framework code psychotechnologies as talking about what we experience complexity summary condescension context, trust, separation I am-ness I am the best spiritual teacher relationship experts knowing who's an expert everyone is kindergarten adult how to think? rational thinking appeals to me scientific diet at first it's who's smart, then it's who's learning, later it's who's wise clear thinking averages and statistical methods picture, shadows ideas only give us paper cuts "if only I could know reality" you can't slight reality I feel epistemics of language epistemics of integral I disagree on how you feel safety epistemic bad bucket switch things (flip sides) cancel culture Dave Chapelle demonstrate strength

This is the Psychotechnologies Live Stream by Daniel and Eliot Timestamps 00:00 welcome 1:33 era of psychotechnology (check in and continued from last video) 1:48 Daniel re-knotted himself in the mean time 2:43 reorganising psychological energy, sometimes parts want to reorganise or sometimes they want to relax 5:59 If "the era of psychotech" is being used to make misery, then forget it.  Come have fun with our era 6:40 psychological energy, potential to lean our interest towards various interests 10:20 Buddhist middle way of self relationship 11:58 Eliot's been trying out reddit,  Most subreddits only tell one side of the story and polarise. 14:38 Wiggle room when working with phenomena 16:35 Katie Byron's work, "is that true" 19:10 a technique to "be quiet" and offer space 20:17 The mind self organizes it's experience 20:43 is it unkind to leave someone in silence? 21:47 some people take silence as positive and others take it as negative 22:10 whether a mind self organises towards positive or negative experience 24:20 fortune tellers as psychotechnology for accessing intuition 25:21 tools to read the intuition 27:04 projection like a Rorschach test 28:01 tarot deck of paint swatches - cold reading 29:53 anyone can do cold reading!  Myself included 30:17 vulnerability and manipulation aversion (via cold reading) 33:40 re-own negative projections on the world and return received negative experience 35:35 psychological safety, just because something is sharp doesn't mean it's dangerous 38:05 what's it like to experience space/silence 40:10 people like to watch emotional transformation and emotional processing 41:44 keeping personal stuff private or being vulnerable 42:36 what are you noticing now 43:27 noticing what it's like to avoid a phenomena 47:00 processing from a distance attunement for babies ideal parent figure protocol personal somatic work for Eliot and some language around somatics

This is the Psychotechnologies Live Stream by Daniel and Eliot Eliot's coaching can be found here: www.relationshipwithyourself.com.au timestamps 00:00 welcome 00:38 how long after new years can you say happy new year? 01:34 trickster and archetypes 4:04 "trickster makes this world" book 6:24 the emperors new clothes 7:28 trickster can see things as they are 10:57 Kanye, Jonathan Pageau, clown world 15:45 sometimes the trickster just names what is the opposite 17:50 society has a lot of structures and systems and the trickster can see through it 25:53 the four fields of conversation by Otto Scharmer 34:33 is there ever a time when reflective dialogue is unhelpful? 41:08 all these paradigms are always active 41:44 coaching story of being a bad coach 43:47 Frame juggling 51:20 when the wrong models pop into your mind 53:40 the list of skills around frame management 55:20 learning about frames as I grew up 1:01:20 the absence of a frame 1:07:15 I need to trust my distractable  (distracted) brain 1:08:13 The monkey mind meditation and learning what a distracted mind is doing 1:12:00 watching the jumping mind 1:15:00 having no frame 1:25:00 questions contract experience 1:28:00 defensive frames, expectations, shutting people down accidentally 1:30:20 dealing with confrontation 1:40:20 book - "Action inquiry" by Bill Torbert 1:42:30 Forward and back propagation 1:45:35 appreciate in others what you want to be seen to have in yourself 1:47:59 Declare the era of... 2:01:00 Repair Daniels projection about overconfident declarations of eras. 2:05:30 organised religions became the monopoly on spirit 2:12:40  Calling in the era of psychotechnologies 2:25:25 freud - it's not that he was right or wrong but he was the first to put his theories out 2:35:45 bias towards outrage - feeding the little outrage demon

00:20 covid (in australia) today 3:30 if you rely on your first person experience to recognise covid, you could have a really hard time. 4:50 it's very hard to feel something is real if we can't directly see it (with our eyes) 7:25 the reaction to the narrative of covid, "shut down" or discuss 9:00 when we didn't know how bad the pandemic was, this issue threatened everyone's lives because we were still working out what would or would not kill us 10:48 compassion vs cruel authoritarianism (let people unvaccinated die because they are stupid) 12:07 An integral politics and the integral approach to politics - a left and right split of personal and collective and their blind spots 19:10 democracy is how 51% of the population convinces 49% of the population that it's fair 19:43 politics is a question of what do we choose to care about 20:49 the structure or the content of a system may be biased 27:27 what is violence? on the physical, emotional, and cognitive 27:35 Non violent communication https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=l7TONauJGfc 27:38 violence on a concrete, subtle and causal level in the psyche  35:40 Death and it's sad that people die (the option to live forever should be available).  Thinking people should die is a violence 38:52 The option to live forever at optimum health should be available 40:00 who would want to live forever?  The happy people or the miserable people who won't let go 40:42 Alarms in our psyche (the hot coal metaphor)  43:17 What is a headache? and working with anger  43:26 bodies are always in homeostasis, feedback loops keeping us in the middle of experience. 44:01 working with anger in meditation - what is a headache? anger meeting sadness and being resisted 49:07 study on where people feel emotions 52:50 common facial expressions 54:45 disgust, human bodies are made up of gross things 56:10 micro expressions, Disgust, Fear 57:30 Emotions 58:06 John Gottman - turn towards, turn away 1:02:10 when designing a good future metamodern culture, you want to be able to communicate within the culture and also with other cultures 1:02:35 ask and guess and tell culture 1:07:10 micro expressions and how to learn them 1:09:30 practicing emotions 1:10:30 working with fear 1:16:02 if I was them, in this moment, feeling what they were feeling, how would I be feeling? 1:20:00 Attunement - what emotional state is floating around 1:23:43 how do you figure out what you are feeling or sensing in the world? 1:21:41 Confused and the phenomena of confusion 1:24:54 a thought experiment about confusion with a black box 1:26:49 guess what's in the box!  What is confusion as a phenomena in live experiment 1:33:38 new dimensions of specificity 1:37:02 original seeing descriptor game 1:40:02 we automatically filter out ordinary information and forget we can turn up the nob again 1:41:29 the four path model of Theravada  1:42:19 taking out the garbage and a Ram Dass story 1:44:45 if I'm god, I want to live in a universe where people take out the garbage (and I have the power to do that) 1:48:14 I kind of always know how other people are feeling which is a very different social experience 1:52:50 by understanding what people are feeling, I can make a difference more. 1:54:11 violence is deeply ingrained in us and has caused us to get to here in history 1:59:43 society has taken leaps forward on "cheap energy"

1:48 Order and the ordered mind and ordered cultures 2:35 if you think about the mind as orderly, does it make it more orderly than if you think of the mind as chaotic 3:01 religion gives orderliness 4:11 How to trigger a profound insight in people 5:04 we seem to exist with a base belief of what reality is. 6:33 God and religion as psychotechnologies 11:18 What do we mean by psychotechnologies? 12:39 religions are very good at bringing large groups of people into alignment  14:28 Understanding minds 16:37 What makes a good psychotechnology? (frames of looking at a problem) 21:29 briefly about the book, "Collaborating with the enemy" - stay in the room (and Chris Voss) 29:11 negotiation in relationships  31:04  Life is measured by your capacity to handle discomfort 31:54 to be a good rationalist you need to be able to tolerate discomfort in the changing in your beliefs 34:49 I had a difficultly putting a value on myself and my time.  How do you value things that have no value to you at all?  Like an old fridge 36:19 I can place a value on an object and believe that it's worth that value, and then have that belief stand up to some discomfort 40:22 the appeal of fixed pricing (i.e. textbooks are half price second hand) 41:22 Working on ideals of fixed pricing is an academia thing to do. 43:11 psychology of stock trading  and the emotions and the Trading Tribe 45:00 Constellation therapy 50:08 Improv and acting out our traumas 50:35 a lot of acting is secretly spirituality 53:50 A subset of mental (health) phenomena is pathologized, are those people different from the rest of us? Mental health phenomena as a spectrum 56:22 Autism spectrum and bridging the gap, "aspie whisperer" 58:01 the rationalist culture sometimes seems like a culture built by autistics for autistics 59:24 rationality as a desire to have the world be legible and understandable 1:01:23 uncertainty is like stream entry, when you realise that you never really knew what was going on in the first place 1:01:35 minds desperately want a platform as a stable ground to deal with reality from 1:02:43 I know "math" is correct but that doesn't mean that I am correct 1:04:42 Problems that block themselves from being solved.  Angry at anger, confused at confusion.  Looking in all the wrong places 1:05:39 Everything makes sense but I can't necessarily know it. 1:06:32 the Akashic records, everything is knowable - if you can tune into understanding it 1:08:31 The unknown and how to relate to it 1:15:31 emotions aren't logical but they do follow their own patterns 1:18:11 I really liked people who could do specific emotional movements, and I would project much more credit on them than they deserved 1:20:36 structured psychotechnologies were a stepping stone for me to build better tools 1:22:15 some people crave clear instruction and then excel when they have them 1:25:08 Book smarts and street smarts are really suitable in their own domains, both are needed.  You can't function in the wrong domain with the wrong expertise 1:29:26 if imagination is infinite then the mind has an infinite number of places it can go 1:31:05 The size of the universe 1:32:19 if you shuffle a deck of cards, probably that configuration has never happened in the universe before. (10^72 atoms and 10^67 possible configurations of a deck of cards) 1:37:52 what's the question you are trying to answer (using rationality as the tool) and where did the question come from? 1:39:00 rationality is useful for structure to answer questions (i.e. what do you care about) 1:43:53 A psychotechnologies board game!

This is the Psychotechnologies Live Stream by Daniel and Eliot Timestamps 00:00 Welcome 00:17 Psychotechnologies live 00:44 A Stoa video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZ2xpIZFjco - making your own psychotechnologies or using existing ones 3:23 "there are two fools.  The first says this is old, therefore it is good.  The second says, this is new, therefore it is better" 4:04 old idiots writing down their wisdom 7:05 Metaphysical Beliefs around how the mind influences reality in disease and ailments 9:11 Metaphysical phenomena are slippery and hard to make predictions about 11:05 testable metaphysical predictions , how do we test metaphysical beliefs? 15:52 a map of the body as a timeline 17:07 Book (Eastern Body, Western Mind) 21:25 Irritable Bowel Syndrome metaphysics 22:39 Traditional Chinese Medicine and a reflexology map 23:42 phenomenology of fear in the body 29:25 Can your psychology cause cancer? 30:50 Anatomy of the meridians 33:06 mapping the Triple warmer and other meridians in your experience 36:22 metaphysics of picking up anger and storing it in the body 37:55 Fascia as related to meridians 40:26 a model of DOMS being caused by fascia stretching 44:30 anger and heat in the body, and blood pressure and the long term effect of anger on the body 48:17 self criticism over the long term will manifest as autoimmune disease 50:36 can we predict common personality types that cause a type of disease? 54:20 physical ailments that affect the brain (map deficit) 56:05 what the heck is a cancer in relation to the metaphysic of the body? 1:06:52 the skin as the boundary between the self and the rest of the world 1:10:25 people can give themselves seizures by believing they have them 1:14:40 how much can a "healer" actually help someone?  There needs to be a willingness on the healer's part to try to work on a problem. 1:15:58 everyone knows how to lose weight but we don't seem to be able to do it. 1:17:51 rushing causes allergies (for one person) 1:19:26 I collect pixels on the elephant of a strong metaphysical belief. 1:19:58 Psychosomatic phenomena 1:21:23 Mind body split vs integrated view (the separation), the view in eastern traditions are that these things are more connected than we are currently willing to admit in the west and the west should start listening to the east. 1:23:23 How far can I take a metaphysical belief?  Can I think my way out of cancer? Or expect that I can? 1:23:52 can you think yourself slim or think yourself muscular? 1:24:58 Are these views separate and are they incompatible?  Why are they useful separate? 1:27:32 body and mind as master and slave relationship 1:34:06 short term phenomena in the body, (i.e. misery) as we predict it over the long term, what should we expect them to do to the body? 1:36:07 Hip replacements.  long term psychological phenomena can cause uneven wear on the body in a specific way.  Can we change someone's psyche today to prevent a hip replacement in the future? 1:40:06 How could I live my life now so that I have the least amount of problems in the future? 1:43:38 Containering and holding myself in a container 1:46:50 The job of the helper professional is to relate to a phenomena in someone's life. 1:48:48 We should call this one metaphysics, and a derivation of metaphysical relationship between minds and reality. 1:50:41 the metaphysical correlational leap

00:24 Air guitar vs improv (book "The Music Lesson" by Victor Wooten) 2:02 Alexander Technique 3:50 Broad awareness practice 5:36 Babies learning to calibrate their intelligences to each other 6:25 Moving the body in a way that causes ongoing suffering (forcing) 9:04  Things that feel like work, feel aversive, as procrastination 10:28 No pain, No gain.  As a metal trap 11:03 The idea of a beautiful question.  What if I could do this without suffering? 13:35 Creating the possibility space of better things (as a mindset shift) 15:30 The compulsion to help and to become the expert 17:00 Subject matter experts do exist. 18:09 We spend years learning what it is like to be a human (and a good human, a good expert) 20:18 The devouring mother (in modern terms - the helicopter mother) 21:57 It's important to let kids make harmless mistakes and recover from them 22:53 Adults can't have temper tantrums in public like kids do without consequences 24:15 Becoming domain experts in psychotechnologies, is that possible? 28:45 Religions as psychotechnology a tool for wisdom 30:14 God gives you a competitive advantage, to believe seems to give you extra strength in times of need 32:41 Making the mundane experiences meaningful.  Small movements have grand changes in the greater scheme 34:14 The dishwasher phenomena 38:11 The stack of things to do in your life 39:58 List of common human goals - http://bearlamp.com.au/list-of-common-human-goals/ 40:58 having a readiness available to you 41:56 the important stuff is boring and dumb and irrelevant and frustrating and like buying new socks 43:08 A mind motivates itself by putting good and bad emotions around various tasks 45:00 Living wage for everyone, including the person doing your laundry so that you can do your firework tasks 48:53 A well designed system causes certain mistake moments don't happen 49:20 My world has less problems and you can't even tell 55:24 Mundanity of life 58:48 When we live in a non-coercive way, it's more productive, more rewarding and more desired and we would like to work out how to do that. 1:02:46 Playful is better than forceful 1:03:09 Especially if you can get to the same outcome and problem 1:04:07 The more I meditate, the more I can't force myself to do things. 1:05:42 Dishwasher meaning making part 2, "doing the right mindset of doing the dishes" 1:07:36 Tell stories that are positive sum 1:09:50 I would like to give everyone on the planet some more space 1:11:00 meditating to the ground of the mind, then watching what pops up. 1:12:00 If my ground of the mind is going to pop up good stuff then I am going to enjoy it more 1:12:36 What is the foundational structure of the mind? 1:14:11 Talk of the Jhanas 1:15:59 what is the base of reality? 1:18:16 The mind first - perspective on the world (as opposed to the matter first world) 1:18:51 Jenga tower of the mind 1:20:18 Enjoy whichever mental model you are standing on while you are standing on it 1:25:37 Fill up your cup before you pour, have fun then help others. 1:30:17 having an overflowing cup inspires you to give things away 1:35:14 keep the stakes real, keeps a drama interesting, if someone can die, then it's real. 1:37:20 a personal reflection on cognitive, emotional, embodied. 1:43:07 the boring stuff is important to deeply know and be able to move on to other things 1:45:03 a model of interior and exterior 1:50:45 misery can be motivating but it also takes up space in the mind 1:52:02 the mind is incredibly unstable.   1:55:00 the meditator comes to know suffering as happiness.