The Pulling The Threads Podcast: Unraveling The Deeper Story!

Join host Jeramiah Giehl and renowned scholar Dr. James Tabor for a powerful 90-minute follow-up conversation, we explore the historical Jesus, the Ebionite tradition, the leadership of James the Just, the influence of Paul, and the real-world dangers of apocalypticism and Christian nationalism. 🔍 Episode Themes:Dr. Tabor responds to critics who claim this approach is “anti-Christ,” affirming it is, in fact, pro-historical Jesus. Using the historical-critical method, he shows how redactions in the Gospels altered Jesus’ words and message. He explains the Q source, the Hebrew Gospel of Matthew, and examples like (“Why call me good?”) edited in Matthew to support later theology. The aim: recover Jesus’ original voice before it was reshaped by church doctrine.The discussion dives into the Ebionites, early Jewish followers of Jesus who:Viewed him as a human prophet (not divine),Rejected animal sacrifices,Practiced vegetarianism,And challenged Paul’s theology, especially the Eucharist.Tabor explains their beliefs using Isaiah 66 and highlights how church fathers later branded them heretics. He suggests they may represent the earliest and most authentic form of the Jesus movement.Tabor shifts focus to James the Just, leader of the Jerusalem church and likely the beloved disciple, not John. Referencing Acts 15 and his upcoming book A Lost Mary (releasing Sept 30, 2025), he argues that Jesus passed leadership to James—not Peter or Paul—indicating a dynastic, family-based leadership structure, or “caliphate.”The Clementine Homilies support this by urging followers to confirm doctrine with James himself.Tabor discusses Paul’s genuine letters (Galatians, Romans, etc.) as full of urgency and expectation of the end times. Paul advised believers not to marry or work, expecting the world to end soon.While some theorists suggest Paul may be fictional or linked to Simon Magus or even Josephus (via Marcion), Tabor argues Paul was a real, charismatic apocalypticist.He draws comparisons to modern doomsday movements, referencing his work on Waco and the Branch Davidians, noting that apocalyptic predictions have a 100% failure rate.Jeramiah raises the rise of Christian nationalism and movements like the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR). Tabor warns against merging religious belief with state power, drawing from Why Waco? and historical persecution of dissenters.He calls for protecting religious freedom, citing Jefferson’s Bible and John Huss, both of whom focused on Jesus’ ethical teachings while rejecting dogma and authoritarian control.Tabor shares how his book Restoring Abrahamic Faith represents his vision of ethical monotheism, grounded in the Hebrew Bible. He affirms a belief in divine purpose. Rather than clinging to literalism, Tabor proposes a post-Christian, Jesus-positive Hebraic faith that values justice and righteousness over dogma or salvation formulas.This discussion is a goldmine for:Spiritual seekers,Biblical skeptics,Post-evangelicals,Jewish-Christian inquirers,And anyone concerned about faith weaponized for political gain.It challenges listeners to re-examine the origins of Christianity while offering a path forward rooted in wisdom, ethics, and historical integrity.Subscribe to the Pulling the Threads Podcast on YouTube.Visit jamestabor.com for blog posts, lectures, and resources.Read:The Jesus DynastyPaul and JesusRestoring Abrahamic FaithPre-order A Lost Mary (Release Date: September 30, 2025)Watch Dr. Tabor’s video series on apocalypticism and prophecy failure.Explore thetorah.com for critical biblical scholarship.🎧 Listen NowThis isn’t just an interview—it’s an exploration of the real Jesus, the forgotten James, and the rise and risks of religious extremism. Join us as we pull the threads of history, faith, and ideology shaping our world today. Subscribe, share, and stay tuned for more hard-hitting conversations.

🎙️ In this powerful episode, Jeramiah Giehl sits down with Jewish convert, content creator, and former actress Tassja Cadoch (@JewGreekanMama) for an honest, thought-provoking exploration of religious trauma, spiritual liberation, and theological transformation.Tassja’s story begins in an Anglican Christian household but takes a radical turn after a fear-based encounter with born-again Christianity. Grappling with intense anxiety, scrupulosity, and a fear of hell, she eventually discovers the work of Rabbi Michael Skobac and the Seven Noahide Laws—sparking a journey toward Jewish thought that offered peace, clarity, and purpose.Together, Jeramiah and Tassja—both converts to Judaism—discuss their paths out of rigid dogma and into a tradition that values questioning, truth-seeking, and community. From childhood indoctrination and anxiety to the joy and intellectual depth of Jewish learning, this episode tackles the raw and redemptive process of spiritual rebirth.🕊️ Key Topics Covered:Overcoming Religious Trauma:Tassja shares her early religious trauma and the toll it took on her mental health. A born-again friend's warnings about hell created spiritual panic that shaped her youth. Jeramiah draws parallels to his own departure from Jehovah’s Witnesses, reflecting on how both found emotional freedom in Judaism’s non-dogmatic approach.Conversion to Judaism:From volunteer work with Jews for Judaism to Hebrew classes and rabbinical review panels, Tassja recounts the slow, intentional process of Conservative conversion. Jeramiah reflects on his past in Messianic circles and his final transition to Rabbinic Judaism in 2014. Their shared commitment to rigorous inquiry over blind faith stands in sharp contrast to their previous religious lives.Universal Righteousness & Parenting:The duo unpacks Judaism’s view that righteousness is not exclusive to Jews—a refreshing shift from exclusionary salvation doctrines. Tassja beautifully links Torah observance to parenting, describing mitzvot as divine boundaries grounded in love. They also discuss Gehenna not as eternal hell, but as a temporary place of purification, generally lasting no more than 12 months, offering a more compassionate theology of the afterlife.Paul & Early Christianity:In one of the most intellectually engaging parts of the conversation, Jeramiah and Tassja scrutinize Paul’s influence on the New Testament and the evolution of Christianity into a pro-Roman faith. They question Pauline authorship, explore Marcion’s role in canon formation, and contrast it with the Torah-faithful Jesus of history. Tassja speaks candidly about the emotional work involved in separating Jesus the Jewish man from the Christian deity she once worshiped.🔥 Why Watch This Episode?You’ve experienced religious trauma and are searching for healing.You’re curious about Judaism, conversion, or the historical Jesus.You’re done with fear-based theology and want to explore ethical, universal spirituality.You enjoy open, intellectual conversations that blend history, faith, and personal growth.This episode is a journey—from fear to freedom, from confusion to clarity. If you’ve ever questioned your faith, wrestled with doctrine, or longed for a more grounded spiritual path, this one’s for you.📌 Action Steps:✅ Subscribe to the Pulling the Threads Podcast✅ Follow @JewGreekanMama on Instagram✅ Like & Share this episode to support honest conversations about faith✅ Join the Discussion in the comments—your voice matters!#JewishConversion #ReligiousTrauma #PaulineChristianity #PullingTheThreads #JudaismExplained #JewGreekanMama #HistoricalJesus #Gehenna #JewishAfterlife #FaithDeconstruction #FromChristianityToJudaism

In this deep-dive episode of Pulling the Threads, host Jeramiah sits down with returning guest James Valliant to unpack groundbreaking updates to his controversial book Creating Christ. The conversation traces Valliant’s evolving views on the formation of early Christianity, with a particular focus on the Pauline epistles, the destruction of the Second Temple, and Rome’s role in shaping the New Testament narrative.Valliant challenges long-held assumptions by proposing that much of Paul’s epistolary material—especially in Corinthians—was likely written after 70 CE, in the aftermath of the Jewish-Roman War. This re-dating undermines traditional mid-first-century timelines and shifts the lens through which we interpret early Christian redemptive mechanisms. If the Temple cult was still operational, a new sacrificial narrative centered on Jesus would have lacked the existential urgency that seems present in the texts. The destruction of the Temple, therefore, becomes a pivotal moment in the emergence of Christianity as distinct from Judaism.Jeramiah brings a skeptical eye to linguistic dating methods commonly used in biblical scholarship, arguing that language is too fluid—and too easily manipulated—to serve as a reliable metric for textual chronology. Instead, both he and Valliant emphasize the primacy of physical evidence, or the glaring absence thereof, particularly from early communities like the Nazarenes and Ebionites. They argue this void may be explained by the Temple’s destruction and subsequent Roman suppression, resulting in a loss of key materials.Valliant also reconsiders the authenticity of the Testimonium Flavianum in Josephus’ Antiquities. Once seen as a later Christian interpolation, Valliant now believes, with support from scholars like Samuel Zinner and Ken Goldberg, that much of the passage may be original. This revision is bolstered by a stunning archaeological find: a 3rd-century mosaic referring to Jesus as God, discovered in a Roman military context. This suggests that some Christians, or at least proto-Christians, had a place in the Roman ranks before Constantine’s conversion.Valliant explores the symbolic language of early Christianity—specifically the fish and anchor motifs. Valliant explains the anchor’s deep roots in Seleucid and Roman iconography, even tying it to Emperor Titus’ Messianic propaganda. He contends that the anchor, more than the cross, was the symbol of choice in early Christian catacombs and mosaics, a claim supported by references in Clement of Alexandria’s writings.The two also examine the Flavian dynasty’s potential role in redacting and canonizing the New Testament in four distinct layers, each targeted toward different audiences and theological purposes. Valliant contends that the Gospels were crafted to reconcile diverging Jewish sectarian movements, while Paul’s letters laid the ideological groundwork for a break from Torah-based messianism. Jeramiah G argues that Marcion was instrumental in pushing Paul’s letters into the Christian canon, causing a rift between early Jewish followers of Jesus and the emerging Gentile church.Hellenistic influences—including Enochian literature—also feature heavily in the discussion. Jeramiah notes that Paul’s epistles bear more in common with apocalyptic Enochian thought than with Pharisaic Judaism, indicating a theological lineage that bypassed mainstream Jewish beliefs of the time. The conversation touches on the Sadducees, the Dead Sea Scrolls community, and how each group’s eschatology may have informed early Christian doctrine.The episode concludes with a critical look at how translation issues, missing original-language manuscripts, and interpretative biases have shaped our modern understanding of Jesus. Both Jeramiah and James agree: the historical Jesus—possibly more aligned with Torah-observant Ebionite teachings than the Greek Gospel portrayal—has been obscured by layers of redaction, theological agenda, and imperial influence.

In this episode of Pulling the Threads, we sit down with biblical scholar Dr. James Tabor for a wide-ranging and provocative conversation that peels back centuries of theological tradition to uncover the historical roots of Christianity. This is a journey that dares listeners to reassess what they believe and why.The episode begins with personal reflections. Jeramiah shares how his upbringing in a “high-control environment” fostered a deep distrust of religious authority, false prophecies, and institutional dogma. Dr. Tabor recounts his background in the Churches of Christ, a tradition rooted in restoring first-century Christianity. Early exposure to Greek and Hebrew texts eventually led him to embrace a thoroughly Jewish view of Jesus—as a Torah-observant Jew who celebrated Passover and Sukkot and never founded a new religion.They critique how religious dogma often overrides honest analysis. Tabor’s scholarly work—particularly his involvement with the Dead Sea Scrolls—offers insight into the world of Second Temple Judaism. He explains the significance of the Qumran community, which anticipated a prophetic “Teacher of Righteousness” similar to Moses. Collaborating with Robert Eisenman, Tabor helped bring forward texts like the Messianic Apocalypse, which parallels Isaiah 61 and Luke 7—connecting ancient messianic expectations with early texts.A major focus of the discussion is the Ebionites, a Jewish sect Tabor believes preserves the truest legacy of Jesus’s original followers. Unlike the divine Christ of Pauline Christianity, the Ebionites saw Jesus as a mortal prophet and Temple reformer. They rejected Paul as a heretic and emphasized ethical living, sometimes including veganism. Highlighting how the Ebionites’ rejection of sacrificial worship aligns with modern critiques of the Hebrew Bible’s editorial history. Tabor notes their theological overlap with the Dead Sea Scrolls—shared communal living, and apocalyptic hope.Tabor explains how textual criticism helps strip away later redactions and recover original voices. Removing Pauline overlays from texts like 1 Peter often aligns them more closely with the theology of James. Likewise, excising Christian additions from Revelation reveals a pre-Christian apocalyptic framework. The Ebionites also believed the Hebrew scriptures were corrupted with “false pericopes” added to justify sacrifice and centralized Temple authority—echoing debates in modern scholarship over source layers in the Torah.The episode also explores the historical tensions between Jewish followers of Jesus and Rabbinic Judaism. The Birkat HaMinim, a curse added to Jewish liturgy targeting “heretics,” marginalized groups like the Nazarenes. Tabor posits their ideas may have influenced early Islam—especially Muhammad’s initial Sabbath observance and Torah alignment. Over time, Pauline Christianity—particularly in its Marcionite and gentile-friendly form—supplanted the original Jewish Jesus movement.In a fascinating tangent, Tabor discusses the Moses Scroll (Shapira Scroll), a Paleo-Hebrew text once dismissed as a forgery. Now reconsidered by scholars like Edan Dershowitz, the scroll could be the oldest version of Deuteronomy, offering a Torah stripped of sacrificial mandates. Tabor’s team is actively researching its authenticity.Looking ahead, Tabor teases his forthcoming course, Christianity Before Paul, which will explore early leaders like John the Baptist, James, Peter, and Mary Magdalene as apocalyptic Jewish reformers—not church founders. His book Restoring Abrahamic Faith summarizes this worldview, and his upcoming work The Lost Mary will reframe Jesus’s mother as a central figure in the earliest Jesus movement.The episode concludes with promises of future collaborations: deeper dives into Paul’s influence, Ebionite theology, and Dr. Tabor’s experience advising during the Waco siege. Listeners are encouraged to visit jamestabor.com and his YouTube channel for more.

Join us on Pulling the Thread for a compelling conversation with Dr. Joshua Bowen, renowned Assyriologist and author of The Atheist Handbook to the Old Testament. With expertise in Biblical Hebrew, Sumerian, Akkadian, and Ancient Near Eastern studies, Dr. Bowen brings a unique blend of scholarly precision, lived experience, and respectful skepticism.Raised in a fundamentalist setting, Dr. Bowen’s path led from Liberty University to a Ph.D. from Johns Hopkins. His background informs a thoughtful, humble approach to the Hebrew Bible, focused not on debunking faith but understanding ancient texts in their original contexts. “Understanding these texts,” he says, “requires study of their languages and contexts—not modern assumptions.”We explore how the Hebrew Bible was shaped by the cultural crosscurrents of the Ancient Near East, especially during the Assyrian and Babylonian captivities (8th–6th centuries BCE). These eras exposed Israelite scribes to Mesopotamian epics like Enuma Elish and The Epic of Gilgamesh, reshaping narratives and theology. Figures like Abraham emerge as products of both Canaanite and Mesopotamian cultural interplay.Dr. Bowen examines the parallels between Genesis and earlier Mesopotamian myths—flood narratives, creation motifs, and cosmic structuring. He discusses how stories like Noah’s flood echo older Sumerian and Babylonian versions, emphasizing shared mythic structures repurposed for monotheism.We also dive into divine assemblies: the Sumerian gods (An, Enlil, Ea, the Anunnaki) and their Ugaritic counterparts (El, Baal), which influenced biblical concepts like Elohim and the Divine Council (Psalm 82, Job 1:6). These connections reveal how Israelite scribes reimagined polytheistic frameworks within emerging Yahwism.Dr. Bowen breaks down the JEDP (Jahwist, Elohist, Deuteronomist, Priestly) model with clarity. Differing creation accounts in Genesis? That’s not contradiction—it’s editorial layering. He explains how this model helps us understand the formation of the Torah as a product of centuries-long scribal processes, not a single authorial voice.“The Documentary Hypothesis isn’t about dismantling faith—it’s about understanding how these texts were woven together.”With deep linguistic insight, Dr. Bowen unpacks ancient scripts like cuneiform and shows how Hebrew, Akkadian, and Sumerian overlap. He highlights linguistic echoes in Genesis—like Tehom (the deep) and its mythic parallel Tiamat—and critiques pseudoscientific interpretations from fringe authors like Zecharia Sitchin.Dr. Bowen advocates a respectful, informed engagement with scripture. He critiques apologetic approaches that ignore historical and linguistic context, urging listeners to appreciate the text on its own ancient terms.Using pop culture analogies (e.g., Seinfeld's “yada yada”), he explains intertextuality—the shared phrases and motifs across cultures that shape storytelling. It’s not about copying—it’s cultural memory and adaptation. “Context is everything,” he reminds us, “whether it’s a sitcom line or a sacred text.”This episode is a masterclass in ancient literature, theology, and language. Dr. Bowen’s scholarship, paired with the podcast’s trademark probing questions, brings the Hebrew Bible’s roots to life. Whether you’re a believer, a skeptic, or just curious, this conversation offers a deep dive into how sacred texts were formed—and why they still matter.You’ll discover:Mesopotamian and Ugaritic influence on biblical storiesHow scribes shaped the Torah across centuriesLinguistic links between Hebrew, Akkadian, and SumerianThe cultural impact of the Assyrian and Babylonian captivitiesThe transformation from polytheism to monotheismKeywords: Assyriology, Joshua Bowen, Hebrew Bible, Sumerian myths, Akkadian texts, Ancient Near East, Biblical Hebrew, Genesis flood narrative, Epic of Gilgamesh, Enuma Elish, Documentary Hypothesis, Billy Carson, biblical scholarship, Torah formation, Zecharia Sitchin critique

This episode promises insightful and thought-provoking discussions, making it a must-listen for anyone interested in exploring the complexities of religious beliefs and interpretations. Delving into the concept of the New Covenant and the beliefs of the Ebionites. Here's a summary of key points: The Ebionites Strike Back: Debunking the Myths of Christian Origins: Explore the beliefs of this group who viewed Jesus as a prophet, challenging the notion of a singular "middle ground." Beyond the Binary: Rethinking Jesus and the Christian Narrative: According to Richard, Jesus can only be seen as either the Christian Jesus or a Torah-observing Jew. The Ebionite Enigma: Challenging Christian Supremacy: Jeramiah clarifies that the historical Ebionites, who were Essenes, viewed Jesus as a prophet calling for reform, not a king or military leader. The New Covenant Conspiracy: Was Jesus a Fabrication?: Examine differing interpretations of the New Covenant, questioning the universality applied by Christianity and emphasizing the importance of contextual understanding. Cracking the Code: Unveiling the Secrets of the New Covenant: They argue that the New Covenant, as described in the Torah, applies specifically to the house of Israel and Judah, not all people. They also criticize the Christian rejection of the Torah and the Law. Beyond the Stained Glass Ceiling: Dismantling Dogma: Explore how certain translations and cultural understandings can shape our interpretations of scripture. Analyzing the misinterpretations of biblical passages. Messiah Meltdown: Focus on the "suffering Messiah" concept: They discuss the misuse of certain Isaiah passages to support this idea, while ignoring contradictory text. Rewriting the Bible: Debunking Christian Misinterpretations: Richard discusses the significance of understanding the Hebrew term "alma" and its implications within Jewish culture. He also criticizes the lack of Hebrew education in seminaries, which he sees as hindering understanding and perpetuating anti-Semitic views. Roman influence on Christian theology: Jeramiah points out the influence of Roman culture and government on the development of Christian theology, including anti-Semitic undertones. Other Discussions: Significance of Isaiah 7:14: Richard emphasizes its error interpretation, while criticizing the Greek Septuagint translation and highlighting the authenticity of the Hebrew Masoretic text. Hebrew term interpretation and Jewish faith: Richard and Jeramiah emphasize the importance of reading original Tanakh texts to avoid misinterpretations. They also discuss the incompatibility of Jesus as a divine savior figure with traditional Jewish beliefs. Christian Theology and Jewish Origins: Uncover the evolution of the "word of God" concept from Jewish roots to its role in Christian theology, highlighting the influence of Platonic thought and the development of Binitarianism and Trinitarianism. Talmudic Literature and Dualism: Richard warns against misinterpretations and misuse of these texts by Christians and clarifies the concept of dualism, emphasizing its incorrect separation of aspects like mercy from their source. Theological conversation: Engage in a thought-provoking discussion about language, capital punishment, the nature of Satan, and the contrasting views of afterlife and individual accountability, contrasting Jewish and Christian perspectives on these topics. Religion, accountability, and Christianity: The conversation concludes by exploring the historical use of religion for control, skepticism towards unproven concepts, and the importance of personal responsibility within religious contexts. Overall, this podcast episode offers a thought-provoking discussion on the New Covenant, the Ebionites, and the complexities of interpreting religious texts and traditions. Keywords: Ebionites, Jesus, New Covenant, biblical texts, suffering Messiah, Christian origins, Satan's nature, afterlife,

Tune in to the Pulling The Threads Podcast and join the conversation as we unravel the complexities of Messianic Judaism, and the intricate relationships between Christianity and Judaism. This episode delves into the experiences of Jeramiah Giehl, David LeBlanc, and Richard Cortes, former leaders who converted from the Messianic movement to explore different branches of Judaism. This episode features a riveting exploration of Messianic Judaism, its interpretations, and the challenges of reconciling Christian doctrines with foundational Jewish principles. Prepare to be challenged as we dissect: Misconceptions of Messianic Judaism and Hebrew Roots: Unravel the truth behind these often misunderstood practices and their connection to authentic Judaism. Misinterpretations of Jewish Texts: Expose the inaccuracies in how certain groups interpret and apply Jewish festivals and biblical passages. Bible Inconsistencies and Messianic Jewish Movement: Question the validity of Messianic Judaism's claims by examining inconsistencies within the Christian Bible and its historical basis. Messianic Judaism and Jesus Interpretation Debate: Jeramiah Giehl leads a robust discussion on Messianic Judaism, highlighting its misinterpretation of Jesus's historical context and relationship with Judaism. Richard Cortes contributes insights into the concept of Mashiach in Judaism, touching on the Messianic movement's efforts to restore these beliefs. Messianic Judaism and Jesus Interpretation Debate: Jeramiah Giehl leads a robust discussion on Messianic Judaism, highlighting its misinterpretation of Jesus's historical context and relationship with Judaism. Richard Cortes contributes insights into the concept of Mashiach in Judaism, touching on the Messianic movement's efforts to restore these beliefs. Messianic Judaism and Jesus Interpretation Debate: Jeramiah Giehl leads a robust discussion on Messianic Judaism, highlighting its misinterpretation of Jesus's historical context and relationship with Judaism. Richard Cortes contributes insights into the concept of Mashiach in Judaism, touching on the Messianic movement's efforts to restore these beliefs. Jewish-Christian Narrative Misappropriation Discussed: The trio dissects the misappropriation of Jewish stories, emphasizing the importance of understanding authentic Judaism and rejecting the distortion of Christian doctrines. Richard and David share their concerns about the Messianic movement's approach to these beliefs. Jewish Text Misinterpretation Discussion: Richard, David, and Jeramiah critique the misinterpretation of Jewish texts, emphasizing the need to read them in their entirety. The discussion explores inaccuracies in how Messianics interpret festivals and biblical passages, exposing problems with the Christian understanding of Jewish texts. Messianic Beliefs and Practices Discussion: A deep conversation between David and Jeramiah unfolds, focusing on their beliefs within the Messianic community. They discuss the dangers of reducing Judaism to a personal relationship with Jesus and question the Christian interpretation of the tabernacle and its sacrifices. Christian, Messianic Perspectives on Temple Sacrifices: David and Richard challenge assumptions about Jesus fulfilling the temple sacrificial system and highlight the misunderstood concept of atonement in Christianity. They question the claim that Jesus was a human sacrifice for personal salvation. Bible Inconsistencies and Messianic Jewish Movement: A discussion ensues about inconsistencies within the Christian Bible and the Messianic Jewish movement. Richard emphasizes the importance of Tanakh in Judaism, and Jeramiah underlines the problematic foundation of Christianity. The participants agree on the need for enlightenment and a better understanding of history. Keywords: Atonement, Ebionites, Hebrew Roots, Historical Jesus, Human Sacrifice, Judaism, Mashiach, Messianic, Passover, Salvation, Talmud, Tanakh, Temple, Torah, Yom Kippur,

Have you ever questioned the way your faith was presented to you? In this captivating episode of the Pulling the Threads Podcast, Ben Wagenmaker and Jeramiah tackle complex issues of faith, tradition, and personal transformation. Join them as they explore their journeys from the fervent intensity of Pentecostalism to the introspective world of Judaism. Embark on a soul-stirring voyage as Ben Wagenmaker shares his profound spiritual journey on the Pulling the Threads Podcast. In this enlightening episode, Ben and Jeramiah delve into the complexities of faith, tradition, and personal transformation, exploring the transitions from fervent Pentecostalism to the contemplative embrace of Judaism. Episode Highlights: Exploring Biblical Literacy: Uncover diverse perspectives on scripture, from Tanakh to the New Testament, delving into historical context and interpretation. Persuasive Power of Pentecostalism: Peer into the inner workings of Pentecostal worship, dissecting the use of music, preaching, and peer pressure to influence congregations. Miracles and Healings: Navigate the nuanced discussion on the mind's role in influencing reported miracles, sparking a thoughtful dialogue on the authenticity of supernatural occurrences. Messianic Beliefs: Probe into the intricacies of Messianic interpretations within Christianity and their relationship with traditional Jewish beliefs. Transitioning Emotional Terrains: Chart the emotional journey from the charged atmosphere of Pentecostal churches to the serene practices of Synagogue services. Balancing Emotion and Intellect: Explore the delicate equilibrium between emotional connection and intellectual stimulation in religious worship. Inconsistencies in Religious Texts: Jeramiah and Ben engage in a detailed discussion about biblical literacy and interpretation, questioning the authenticity and consistency of the New Testament. Interfaith Dynamics: Uncover the challenges and triumphs of interfaith households, as Ben and Jeramiah share personal experiences and reflections. Conversion to Judaism: Delve into the intricacies of conversion, kosher practices, and observance of Shabbat, offering a glimpse into the challenges and rewards of embracing Judaism. Navigating Online Spaces: Gain insights into the complexities of moderating online groups related to leaving Christianity for Torah, exploring the need for civility and respect in diverse discussions. Interfaith Relationships: Ben and Jeramiah share personal anecdotes, discussing the impact of interfaith dynamics on personal relationships, emphasizing the importance of understanding and respect. Balanced Dialogue and Respect: Discover Ben's approach to interfaith dialogue, focusing on challenging beliefs while maintaining civility, and Jeramiah's non-confrontational sharing of knowledge. Join Ben Wagenmaker and Jeramiah Giehl on this profound journey, providing listeners with valuable insights into the diverse landscapes of faith. Whether firmly rooted or grappling with uncertainties, this episode offers a rich tapestry of experiences, fostering deeper understanding and authenticity in spiritual exploration. Don't miss this powerful odyssey - tune in to the Pulling the Threads Podcast now! Whether you're firmly rooted in your beliefs or grappling with uncertainties, this episode offers valuable insights for anyone seeking deeper understanding and authenticity in their spiritual exploration. Don't miss this powerful journey of faith and its transformative power. Listen to the Pulling the Threads Podcast episode now! Keywords: Judaism, Bible, Tanakh, Jewish, Conversion, Synagogue, Old Testament, New Testament, Miracles, Messianic, Christianity, Intellect, Emotionalism, Baptist, Jehovah's Witnesses, First Century, Emotional Manipulation, Supersessionism, Shalom Bayis, Spiritual Journey, Pentecostal Experiences, Religious Texts Examination, Conversion to Judaism, Authenticity in Religious Practices, Biblical Literacy, Cognitive Embrace of Judaism

Have you ever questioned the authenticity of the Jesus you know? What if the roots of Christianity weren't neatly tied with a bow, but instead, a chaotic battleground of ideas? This podcast episode, "Dethroning the Mythical Jesus," ventures into these intriguing questions, challenging conventional narratives and providing an insightful glimpse into the genuine essence of Christian origins. The speakers introduce the concept of Jesus as a "typological figurehead," proposing him as a symbolic character around whom diverse early Christian groups wove their narratives. Similarly, the role of Paul is portrayed as contested and evolving, suggesting that early Christians might not have been initially aware of Paul, and his significance grew later through political maneuvers and text redactions. This podcast scrutinizes the Messianic perspective, offering critiques on key aspects such as presenting Jesus as a Jewish figure and attempts to find parallels between Jesus and rabbinic teachings. The podcast then goes on to explore the "Paul within Judaism" movement, challenging traditional views and presenting Paul as a figure promoting a redefined Messianic expectation within Judaism. The hosts then emphasize the importance of approaching discussions on Christian origins with an open mind, free from biases and preconceived notions. They delve into the influence of the Roman Empire, the Theodosian Code, and the challenges in reconstructing early Christian beliefs. The podcast challenges the quest for the historical Jesus, advocating for a focus on the battle of ideas that shaped Christianity. It encourages listeners to question assumptions, delve into historical evidence, and consider alternative perspectives on Christian history. In conclusion, this podcast transcript illuminates the intricate dynamics between Messianic Judaism, the Jewishness of Jesus, and the academic movement to reinterpret Paul within the Jewish tradition. Through critical examination, the speakers unravel the complex tapestry of discussions, offering a nuanced understanding of religious identity and historical interpretation. The exploration aims to reveal potential misinterpretations and deviations from historical realities, fostering a deeper comprehension of the Messianic evangelical movement's theological claims while highlighting areas of alignment or divergence from broader historical and religious contexts. Keywords: Authenticity of Jesus, Christianity origins, Dethroning Mythical Jesus, Early Christian groups, Contested role of Paul, Political maneuvers, Text redactions, Messianic perspective, Critiques, Jewish figure portrayal, Pagan mystery godman, Rabbinic teachings, Hebraic roots, Passover and Sukkot, Theological coherence, Historical accuracy, Conversion agendas, Paul within Judaism, Mark Nanos, Paula Fredrickson, Magnus Zetterholm, Nasi of the Sanhedrin, Torah savant, Open-minded discussions, Influence of Roman Empire, Theodosian Code, Reconstructing beliefs, Scarcity of evidence, Debates on historicity, Scholarly interpretations, Roman censorship, Redaction and alterations, Messianic Judaism dynamics, Jewishness of Jesus, Historical interpretation, Deviations from realities, Messianic evangelical movement, Historical and religious contexts,

Pulling the Threads Podcast critically explores early Christianity, challenging conventional views. Hosts Jeramiah Giehl and David Leblanc question Jesus' existence and the reliability of the New Testament. They emphasize the gradual evolution of Christianity, dispelling the idea of a distinct origin. The episode delves into the diversity of first-century Judaism, suggesting Jesus' followers were Zealots seeking a violent uprising. The destruction of the Temple and Roman influence become key factors in shaping Christianity. Giehl contends that later texts, influenced by proto-Orthodox and Orthodox factions, reflect mythmaking and polemic against rival groups. The Roman Empire's active role in shaping Christian narratives is discussed, highlighting censorship and manipulation of religious texts. Leblanc explores the impact of Greco-Roman culture and challenges the authenticity of surviving texts. The podcast explores parallels and distinctions between Judaism and Christianity, emphasizing their unique elements. It addresses the influence of Judaism on Christianity and the chaotic development of early Christianity compared to varied early Judaism. The episode briefly touches on Messianic Judaism, leaving room for future exploration. Listeners gain fresh perspectives on Christian origins, exploring Roman influence, Greco-Roman assimilation, and the interplay between Judaism and Christianity. The podcast prompts critical thinking about historical reconstruction challenges, censorship, and the complexity of these intertwined faiths. It invites reconsideration of established narratives and provides thought-provoking insights into the roots of a major world religion. Keywords: Early Christianity, Critical Exploration, Jesus' Existence, New Testament Reliability, Evolution of Christianity, Diversity in First-century Judaism, Zealot Movement, Destruction of the Temple, Roman Influence, Proto-Orthodox and Orthodox Factions, Mythmaking and Polemic, Censorship of Religious Texts, Greco-Roman Culture, Authenticity of Texts, Parallels and Distinctions, Judaism's Influence on Christianity, Development of Early Christianity, Messianic Judaism, Roman Manipulation, Historical Reconstruction Challenges, Interplay Between Judaism and Christianity, Reconsidering Established Narratives, Thought-provoking Insights

In this podcast episode, David LeBlanc interviews Jeramiah, exploring his journey of questioning faith that began with doubts about Jehovah's Witness teachings. Jeramiah shares his experience with Assemblies of God and Bible college, expressing frustration with theological focus and lack of critical examination. The conversation delves into Jeramiah's exposure to different religious traditions and his involvement with a Messianic synagogue. The narrative unfolds with conflicts within the Messianic movement, leading to a pivotal moment with Dr. Raymond Gannon that triggers Jeramiah's departure from Messianic Judaism. The episode highlights the contradictions and manipulation tactics within these movements and Jeramiah's eventual exploration of authentic Jewish spaces. Jeramiah discusses his conversion to Judaism within the Conservative movement, emphasizing the spiritual and eclectic nature of his experience. The conversation also touches on the impact of his journey on family dynamics and the challenges of navigating mixed religious backgrounds post-divorce. The episode concludes with Jeramiah's reflections on critical scholarship, his appreciation for the intellectual tradition within the Conservative movement, and the ongoing role of Judaism in his life.

In this episode David LeBlanc interviews Jeramiah, he notes that his questions of faith began with questioning the Jehovah's Witness teachings, particularly in relation to the New Testament. His early objections were based on inconsistencies he found within the text and the interpretations provided by the Jehovah's Witnesses. This led him to explore other religious traditions, and eventually, he found himself involved with a Christian woman who introduced him to charismatic meetings within the Assemblies of God. Jeramiah then recounts his experience before attending Bible college. They discuss the manipulation tactics used in churches, exposing the human side behind the spiritual façade. The conversation explores the speaker's decision to attend Bible college, influenced by a pastor who encouraged them to pursue ministry. Jeramiah contrasts this supportive conversation with the conflicted discussions with his father. Jeramiah expressed frustration with the theological focus and lack of critical examination in their Bible college courses. This podcast delves into the speaker's journey, touching on topics such as conflict, personal struggles, and exposure to critical scholarship in Old Testament survey classes. It's fascinating to explore how personal experiences and encounters with different religious perspectives can shape one's spiritual journey.

In this podcast episode, Jeramiah Giehl and Dennis MacDonald delve into their personal backgrounds and the origins of their interest in studying Christian origins. MacDonald shares his research findings on the Gospels, revealing his discovery of classical Greek poetry imitations within them. He contends that the Gospels were crafted as works of historical fiction rather than straightforward historical records, drawing intriguing parallels between the adventures in Homer's epics and the Gospel narratives. MacDonald articulates his argument for intentional literary imitation between the Gospels and Greek mythology, elucidating his seven criteria for mimesis and offering examples illustrating the parallels between the Gospels and Greek myth. Giehl raises questions about discerning historical from mythological elements in the Greek New Testament, exploring the possibility of redaction or invention in light of these similarities. The conversation explores the contrasting perspectives on the New Testament—whether it leans more toward mythology or history—and delves into the growing body of scholarship investigating the influence of Greek poetry. MacDonald emphasizes that his work doesn't approach the Gospels with hostility but seeks to enrich their meaning and diversity. Giehl expresses gratitude for MacDonald's insights and time. The dialogue encompasses various topics related to Gospel development, including the Gospel of Thomas, Papias, the Marcian Gospel, and the Hebrew Gospel. In conclusion, they delve into the concept of the historical kernel of truth within the New Testament and stress the importance of grasping the creative energies of its authors. Chapters & Topics - Chapter descriptions 0:06 Introduction and Background 4:35 Dennis MacDonald on his work and views on the Gospels 12:11 Influence of Greek mythology on the New Testament 12:54 Comparing Homeric Adventures to Gospel Stories 17:34 Criteria for Literary Imitation 23:11 The Role of Mythology in the Development of the Christian Narrative 31:34 The Q plus Papias Hypothesis 36:55 The Q document and its reconstruction 37:28 Gospel of Thomas, Papias, and Marcian Gospel 45:00 The role of Paul in the development of the Gospels Paul and Torah Observance46:06 47:35 The reinterpretation of Torah observance in the early Christian community 52:13 Tensions between James and Paul in early Christianity 53:21 The Q Document and its Contents 57:52 Discussion on Gospel Scholarship and the Influence of Homeric Epic Imitations and Q Document Key Questions 12:11 What evidence is there for the influence of Greek mythology on the New Testament? 39:58 How does the Q document fit into the development of the Gospels? 45:00 What was the relationship between Paul and the other Gospel authors? Keywords: Hebrew Gospel, Jesus, Q Document, Luke, Paul, Matthew, Greek Poetry, New Testament, Parallels, Papias, Scholarship, Virgil, Odysseus, Synoptic Problem, Mimesis Criticism, Historical Jesus Action Items 21:16 Further investigate the influence of Greek mythology on the New Testament. 34:26 Consider the role of Paul in the development of the Gospels and his relationship with other Gospel authors. 36:55 Read the Q document and explore its narrative framework and arguments. 47:35 Examine the reinterpretation of Torah observance in the early Christian community. 52:13 Explore the tensions between James and Paul in early Christianity.

The podcast episode commenced with Richard Cortes and Jeramiah Giehl providing introductions. Jeramiah presented the Pulling the Thread podcast and delved into Richard's background, emphasizing his role as the founder of Foundation of the Word, a previous Messianic congregation that later embraced Judaism. Richard then shared his personal journey, recounting his initial exposure to Hasidic Judaism in New York City and subsequent encounter with Christianity in Puerto Rico. He discussed his reconnection with religion as an adult and his involvement with the Assemblies of God, which ultimately prompted him to explore the teachings of the Church Fathers and pursue leadership within the church. Richard Cortes recounted his path toward Judaism, which involved locating a synagogue and dedicating two years to study under an Israeli rabbi. He detailed the challenges associated with establishing infrastructure and living conditions in Northeast Arizona, including the acquisition of a septic system, water supply, and the construction of his mother's retirement residence. He also highlighted the difficulties of building on clay-rich terrain and contrasted the region's weather conditions with those of the valley, which were more suitable for camping. In summary, Richard's experiences underscored the significance of adapting to unfamiliar environments and acquiring new skills when navigating uncharted territory. Jeramiah and Richard delved into the origins and mission of their organization, which aimed to transition people from church settings to Torah-based practices. They clarified that their objective was never to convert Jews but rather to facilitate an understanding and practice of Messianic Judaism among individuals. The conversation revolved around the label of "Messianic Judaism" and its potential for misinterpretation, as many of their members were Gentiles who had not converted to Judaism. They reflected on their decade-long involvement in the movement, their interactions with fellow educators and organizations, and the controversies surrounding their recent embrace of Judaism, including the criticism they faced for identifying as Messianic Jews. The discussion also touched upon the significance of studying Hebrew and comprehending the cultural context intertwined with the language. They explored the limitations of relying solely on concordances and the potential for misunderstandings when interpreting Hebrew through a Christological lens. Richard shared his personal journey of transitioning from Messianic Judaism to mainstream Judaism and his decision to cease teaching the New Testament. They also emphasized the importance of questioning one's beliefs and pursuing knowledge, even if it entails challenging deeply ingrained convictions. Keywords: Hebrew, Judaism, Jesus, Movement, Arizona, Torah, Congregation, Christianity, Gentiles, Conversion, My Life, Synagogue, Christians, Jews, Antisemitism, AntiJudaism, Messianic Judaism, Hebrew Roots, Antimissionary,

The podcast episode commenced with Richard Cortes and Jeramiah Giehl providing introductions. Jeramiah presented the Pulling the Thread podcast and delved into Richard's background, emphasizing his role as the founder of Foundation of the Word, a previous Messianic congregation that later embraced Judaism. Richard then shared his personal journey, recounting his initial exposure to Hasidic Judaism in New York City and subsequent encounter with Christianity in Puerto Rico. He discussed his reconnection with religion as an adult and his involvement with the Assemblies of God, which ultimately prompted him to explore the teachings of the Church Fathers and pursue leadership within the church. Richard Cortes recounted his path toward Judaism, which involved locating a synagogue and dedicating two years to study under an Israeli rabbi. He detailed the challenges associated with establishing infrastructure and living conditions in Northeast Arizona, including the acquisition of a septic system, water supply, and the construction of his mother's retirement residence. He also highlighted the difficulties of building on clay-rich terrain and contrasted the region's weather conditions with those of the valley, which were more suitable for camping. In summary, Richard's experiences underscored the significance of adapting to unfamiliar environments and acquiring new skills when navigating uncharted territory. Jeramiah and Richard delved into the origins and mission of their organization, which aimed to transition people from church settings to Torah-based practices. They clarified that their objective was never to convert Jews but rather to facilitate an understanding and practice of Messianic Judaism among individuals. The conversation revolved around the label of "Messianic Judaism" and its potential for misinterpretation, as many of their members were Gentiles who had not converted to Judaism. They reflected on their decade-long involvement in the movement, their interactions with fellow educators and organizations, and the controversies surrounding their recent embrace of Judaism, including the criticism they faced for identifying as Messianic Jews. The discussion also touched upon the significance of studying Hebrew and comprehending the cultural context intertwined with the language. They explored the limitations of relying solely on concordances and the potential for misunderstandings when interpreting Hebrew through a Christological lens. Richard shared his personal journey of transitioning from Messianic Judaism to mainstream Judaism and his decision to cease teaching the New Testament. They also emphasized the importance of questioning one's beliefs and pursuing knowledge, even if it entails challenging deeply ingrained convictions. Chapters & Topics - Chapter descriptions 0:13 Introduction and Personal Background 2:32 Richard's religious upbringing and exposure to different faiths 5:56 A Personal Experience at Holyland Theme Park 8:58 Richard Cortes' Journey to Judaism 13:46 Building Infrastructure and Living Conditions in Northeast Arizona 17:24 The Origins and Mission of the Organization 23:27 Messianic Gentiles and Authentic Judaism 34:10 Discussion on Studying Christianity and Hebrew Roots 36:46 The Importance of Learning Hebrew and the Distortion of Christological Concepts 41:32 The decision to no longer follow Jesus and embrace Judaism 45:10 Debunking the Virgin Birth 50:13 Richard Cortes discusses removing New Testament teachings from Shabbat services 56:40 The realization that Messianic Judaism is not authentic Judaism 57:48 Experience with Character Assassination 58:52 Character assassination and its impact on truth Keywords: Hebrew, Judaism, Jesus, Movement, Arizona, Torah, Congregation, Christianity, Gentiles, Conversion, My Life, Synagogue, Christians, Jews, Antisemitism, AntiJudaism, Messianic Judaism, Hebrew Roots, Antimissionary,

Former Pastor Mark Peralta and Jeramiah Giehl engage in a profound dialogue concerning their diverse religious upbringings and encounters with various churches and denominations. They openly share their personal journeys through theological studies and linguistic exploration, alongside their growing disenchantment with specific aspects of contemporary theological thought. The discourse delves into the employment of manipulative strategies within religious contexts, notably within the realm of music, and the hurdles encountered in the quest for a compatible church community. Ultimately, Mark and his spouse opted to discontinue church attendance, adopting a more primitive home-based church model. Yet, their quest for spiritual fulfillment persisted, leading them to the realm of YouTube videos during the pandemic, catalyzing a journey of novel perspectives and ideas. Shifting gears, the conversation navigates towards their process of deconstructing their Christian beliefs, centering on the concept of scriptural infallibility and the historical existence of Jesus. An in-depth examination of the reliability of the New Testament and the scarcity of contemporaneous witnesses to Jesus' resurrection and ascension is undertaken. The duo also explores the viewpoint of Jesus from a Jewish perspective as a probable historical interpretation, coupled with the potential for editing and insertion within the New Testament. The dialogue culminates in an honest exchange regarding the ramifications of departing from Christianity on their interpersonal relationships. They dissect the societal pressure to adhere to conventional gender roles and the detrimental impact this exerted on their marital relationships. The performative nature of relationships within the religious framework is dissected, along with its role as a tool for evangelism. Both individuals articulate the transformative evolution of their outlook on relationships post-Christianity and the complexities inherent in cultivating a sense of community beyond religious boundaries. Chapters & Topics Descriptions: 0:00 Mark Peralta's Religious Background and Education 4:03 Discussion of Church Backgrounds and Denominations 4:03 Differences in beliefs and practices between Covenant Church and Baptist churches 8:26 Discussing Theology and Language Studies 15:35 Mark's Experience in Ministry 23:43 Manipulation Tactics in Ministry 28:05 Discussion on Church Community and Small Groups 28:23 Finding a community in church 30:53 Discussion on the Historical Jesus and Inerrancy of Scripture 45:19 Discussion on the Origins of the New Testament and Gospel of John 56:43 The historical Jesus and the development of the New Testament 56:43 Mark's Journey and Passion for the Bible 59:22 Critical approach to the Bible and religion 59:54 Changes in Relationships Post-Christianity 1:06:05 Discussing personal experiences with leaving religion Key Questions: 2:21 How did Mark Peralta's religious upbringing influence his decision to pursue higher education in theology? 2:21 What led Mark Peralta to pursue a degree in theology and become a professor? 21:30 Was the decision to let Mark Peralta go justified, and was the explanation given truthful? 1:13:30 How can access to information and resources help individuals on their journey out of Christianity? Keywords: Covenant Church, Relationships, Gospel, Ministry, New Testament, Theology, Tradition, Christianity, Bible College, Manuscripts, Evangelism, Epistles, Marriage, Resurrection, The Gospel of Matthew

Episode Summary Jeramiah Giehl engages in a dialogue with Apostate Anne, unraveling her journey from a pastor's wife to apostasy. They delve into shared encounters with prophecy, healing, and spiritual practices such as speaking in tongues and laying on of hands. The discussion extends to the performative aspects of ministry, exploring the use of music and lighting to evoke emotions among congregants. The impact of departing from the church on personal lives and relationships is thoroughly examined, including the newfound quality time spent with family and friends post-church departure. The conversation also navigates the process of deconstructing belief systems and forging a fresh path forward. Jeramiah and Anne venture into the realm of atheism, exploring the challenges of parenting ethically and finding happiness. Anne proposes that children develop their own moral compass, with a focus on cultivating healthy relationships and boundaries as a cornerstone of morality. Their discourse extends to the historical existence of Jesus, tracing their conclusions through meticulous research and consultation of various sources, including Joel Baden, Ma Munger, Erman, David McDonald, and Kipp, encompassing a vast library of over a thousand books. Embracing reality and confronting adversity head-on is explored as an alternative to seeking refuge in fantasy. Apostate Anne and Jeramiah Giehl elaborate on the inception of their podcast and the imperative of rendering academic scholarship accessible to the masses. Anne unveils her online persona, "Apostate," as a dual mechanism to safeguard her family from religious zealots and challenge unaddressed inquiries within Christianity. They candidly share personal transformations, emphasizing resilience and wellness through confronting challenges directly. Apostate Anne also highlights her podcast, "ApoState of Mind," dedicated to scrutinizing Biblical myths and contradictions, and their show, "Belief Battles," designed to encourage open dialogue and belief examination. In sum, this discourse underscores the significance of embracing a reality-grounded existence while fostering openness to diverse viewpoints. Action Items9:05 Apostate Anne reflects on her past experiences with healing and prophecy and challenge her beliefs surrounding them.23:07 Apostate Anne starts fresh and reevaluate her beliefs based on evidence.33:05 Apostate Anne will continue to have open and honest conversations with her children about sex education, focusing on practical information and protection rather than religious beliefs.44:51 Apostate Anne will focus on having mutual relationships where there is appreciation and reciprocity.55:34 Apostate Anne will continue to research and gather information from various sources, including Joel Baden, Ma Munger, Erman, David McDonald, and Kipp, to further understand the historical accuracy of the Jesus of the Bible.1:01:44 Apostate Anne and her husband will continue their podcast, Apostate of Mind, to bring academic perspectives and new scholarship to a wider audience.1:02:18 Apostate Anne will continue hosting the show "Belief Battles" on Tuesdays at 7:30, where believers or theists can call in and share their beliefs or challenge their disbelief. Key Questions5:50 How does music play a role in worship and preparing people to receive the message?7:42 What is your perspective now of the prophecy and the healing?19:42 If a prophecy doesn't come true, does that mean it wasn't God's will?26:00 What kind of things did you notice behind the scenes of ministry work? Keywords:Church, Bible College, Relationships, Believer, Marriage, Journey, Worship, Healing, Prophecy, Pastor, Evidence, Speaking in Tongues, Boundaries,

Episode Summary In this podcast episode, a diverse array of subjects concerning the origins of Christianity and the historical credibility of the Bible were discussed. Robert M Price put forth his theories about the genesis of Christianity, proposing that it was influenced by mystery religions and the mythical hero archetype. He delved into the historical Paul and his impact on the development of Christianity, alongside conversations about the New Testament canon and the role played by Constantine in shaping the religion. Jeramiah Giehl brought up inquiries regarding the genuineness of the Bible's portrayal of Jesus and his disciples, and the potential associations between the Ebionites, Essenes, and Zealots. Throughout the podcast, Price and Giehl delved into the intricate nature of comprehending Christianity's historical backdrop and the diverse interpretations of its teachings over time. They engaged in discussions about the veracity of specific texts and the influence exerted by political factions on the faith. Price defended his theories as an alternative lens through which to scrutinize fragments of Christian origins that might otherwise be challenging to reconcile with the conventional orthodox perspective. The dialogue shed light on Price's scholarly work and his methodological approach, while also posing thought-provoking questions for further contemplation. In essence, the podcast episode encompassed a broad spectrum of subjects tied to the beginnings of Christianity and the historical precision of the Bible. Price and Giehl delved into the intricacies of comprehending Christianity's historical setting and the manifold interpretations of its doctrines throughout history. Their exchanges encompassed debates about the credibility of specific texts and the impact of political entities on the religion. The exchange provided insights into Price's scholarly endeavors and his scholarly approach, while also prompting inquiries that warrant further exploration. Chapters & Topics 2:24 Origins of Christianity and Paul's Role 2:42 Origins of Christianity 2:53 Paul's identity and his relation to Enochian Judaism 15:11 Robert M Price on Christian Origins 19:23 The Historical Paul and his Influence 38:25 The Historical Paul: Fact or Fiction? 43:39 Early Christian Origins and the Influence of Marcion 1:00:51 Discussion on the New Testament Canon 1:02:28 Inclusion of non-canonical texts in the New Testament 1:08:10 Constantine's Conversion and Influence 1:09:41 Constantine's influence on Christianity 1:15:00 The Historical Jesus and His Disciples 1:15:34 The depiction of Jesus in the Cleansing of the Temple and his association with armed men. 1:18:30 The Connection Between the Ebionites, Essenes, and Zealots 1:27:25 Robert M Price discusses his work and upcoming projects. Action Items Further research and analyze the pseudo Clementine literature, specifically the Epistle of Peter to James and the Dd K, to gain a better understanding of the historical context and authenticity of these texts. Key Questions 2:53 Who is Paul and where does he fit within Enochian Judaism? 6:52 What is the connection between Paul and the sect of John the Baptist? 16:27 What are the three forms of Christianity that emerged? 20:59 Was Simon Magus a double agent with a view to influence people to be more pro-Roman, and what does Robert M Price think of this? 35:20 What are Robert M Price's views on the authenticity of the Pseudo Clementine literature and the historical situation of Peter and James? Keywords: Paul, Jesus, Gospels, Peter, Simon Magus, Marcion, Epistles, Judaism, Josephus, Christianity, Proto-Orthodox, Old Testament, Gentiles, Barnabas, Constantine

Summary: A Thought-Provoking Conversation with Rabbi Tovia Singer Exploring the Complexities of the Jewish Perspective on Christianity, the Historical Jesus, Pauline Theology, the Challenge of Discerning Fact from Mythology, and the Importance of Understanding Historical Context. The interview explores contrasting views on the afterlife, sin, and repentance, delves into the historical Jesus and Pauline theology, and touches on the Ebionites, Marcion, and the concept of Messiah. The conversation highlights the complexity of religious history and the importance of understanding the historical context of ancient texts. Episode Description: Jeramiah Giehl and Rabbi Tovia Singer engaged in a thought-provoking Podcast interview exploring various aspects of Judaism and Christianity. Rabbi Tovia Singer discusses his personal journey of confronting missionaries and evangelism groups targeting Jews for conversion, which inspired him to dedicate himself to addressing critical accusations against Judaism. The conversation delved into offensive tactics used by some Christian groups and stressed the significance of education in effectively responding to these claims. Singer also discussed the issue of proselytizing and the responsibility of Jews to be a guiding light to others. The interview delves into the complexities of identifying the historical Jesus and the influence of Pauline theology on Christian perspectives of salvation. Singer emphasizes the use of the "criteria of embarrassment" to identify historical events in the Gospels and explores the impact of Albert Schwitzer's work on the Quest for the Historical Jesus. They also explore the Jewish and Christian beliefs about the afterlife, particularly the concept of hell, and the divergent views on what happens to a person after death in the Jewish tradition. Singer cleverly used the behavior of children to illustrate their lack of moral precepts and selfish tendencies. He drew a parallel to adults who behave childishly and are criticized for their immaturity. He then discussed King David's humble confession in Psalm 51 and how he sought forgiveness from God with a broken and contrite heart. Singer stressed that rituals and sacrifices cannot save, but rather true devotion to God and a humble heart. The conversation illuminated the differences and similarities between the two religions' perspectives on sin and repentance. It also explored the Ebionites, a group that rejected Paul's views and allegedly denied the Virgin Birth and Resurrection. The impact of Marcion on the Church and his views on Paul were also discussed, as well as the Toldot Yeshu, a compilation of unflattering anecdotes about Jesus and its influence on Jewish perception of him. Throughout the interview, the complexity and multifaceted nature of religious history emerged, including the challenge of discerning fact from mythology in ancient texts. Understanding the historical context in which these texts were written was emphasized as crucial for interpreting their true meanings. Chapters & Topics 00:07 Interview with Rabbi Tovia Singer on Let's Get Biblical and Outreach Judaism 11:21 Historical Jesus Scholarship and Pauline Theology 22:38 Contrasting Views of Afterlife in Judaism and Christianity 30:41 King David's Confession and the Broken Heart 35:33 Views on Sin and Repentance in Judaism and Christianity 40:05 The Historical Jesus and the Talmud 50:11 The Meaning of Messiah in Jewish and Christian Traditions 56:45 The Ebionites and Pauline Christianity 1:00:31 Discussion on Marcion and Toldot Yeshu 1:04:42 Monotheism vs Paganism in Ancient Near East 1:16:31 The Virgin Birth and Isaiah's Prophecies Keywords: the Apostle Paul, the Historical Jesus, Messiah, Christianity, Jews, Isaiah, Christians, Hell, Salvation, Original Sin, Replacement Theology, Tanakh, Monotheism, King David, Christian Bible, Josephus, Philo, the Ebionites, Tanakh, New Testament, Anti-Missionary, Jews for Jesus, Outreach Judaism

Summary: In this thought-provoking podcast, a wide range of compelling topics were discussed, including personal experiences of leaving Christianity, drugs as a gateway drug into Christian using emotional weakness to gain converts, delving into mysticism, exploring Jewish traditions, the use of worship music to make people suggestable, examining apocalypticism and Messianism in early Christianity and Judaism, and questioning the authenticity of Paul's letters through the lens of Roman Provenance. David LeBlanc shared his personal journey of seeking spiritual messages through drug experimentation and finding solace in evangelicalism. He emphasized the role of religion in seeking to take advantage of those who feel lost, and how they have a hard time asking critical questions of their faith and the importance of scholarly analysis due a trauma bound due the pain, struggles and emotional investment. He believes that evangelicalism attracts those who are down and out. The conversation also touched on the importance of a scholarly approach to analyzing religion without attacking or mocking those who believe. They also explored the Role of Mussar, the mystical side of religion and their experiences with Mysticism and Tradition, discussing the benefit of the Mussar Mystical tradtion within Judaism, the importance of Mussar in Jewish Spirituality, and the mystical aspects of religion were also explored, drawing from the speakers' own experiences and perspectives. David also discussed the spiritualism of Alexandria under Philo and his school. The conversation then shifted to the complexities of kosher food and its political and traditional influences. The differences between Sephardic and Ashkenazic traditions regarding the consumption of rice and beans during Passover were discussed, along with power struggles within the Jewish community and their impact on religious practices. The speakers further shared their views on spirituality, highlighting the significance of questioning and reflecting on the disparities among Judaism, Islam, and Christianity. Looking at the use of methods of control and manipulation within the ministry, the use of worship music to get congregants into a suggestable state. David discussed the Role of Music in Calvary Chapel Worship, his experience Singing without a microphone, the Manipulative Power of Worship Music, and the role of music in worship and its importance in attracting people to church. Further, Exploring the historical contexts of early Christianity and Judaism, the discussion focused on the similarities and differences between apocalypticism and Messianism. The influence of Hellenistic Judaism on Christian doctrine and theology, particularly regarding apocalypticism and Messianism, was explored. The violent, apocalyptic nature of the Essene community and its parallels to early Christian communities were also examined, along with the evolving perspectives on apocalyptic Messianism in traditional Jewish communities. Finally, The meeting concluded with an examination of the authenticity of Paul's letters and the theory of Roman Provenance. The notion that Rome controlled the distribution of texts and potentially manipulated Paul's writings for their own agenda was debated. David LeBlanc expressed skepticism, suggesting that much of what is attributed to Paul could be later additions by the Roman Catholic Church. Additionally, the possibility of the Gospels being 2nd-century documents was briefly discussed, with a mention of Luke potentially using Josephus as a framework for crafting the biographical account of Jesus.Overall, this captivating podcast delved into diverse subjects, challenging conventional perspectives and encouraging listeners to explore the intricate facets of religion, spirituality, and historical texts. Subscibe to the Blog here: ⁠https://jesusthejewwithinjudaism.com/⁠ Follow us on Facebook here: ⁠https://www.facebook.com/groups/pullingthethreadpodcast⁠