Real Estate for Breakfast

In this episode of the Real Estate for Breakfast podcast, Ice Miller Real Estate Practice Group partner and host Phil Coover, sits down for a conversation with Joe Smazal, Senior Managing Partner at Interra Realty. Joe brings more than a decade of experience specializing in the sale of mid-market apartment buildings in Chicago. With nearly $1 billion in total property transactions under his belt, Joe discusses his journey in real estate, the nuances of Chicago’s vibrant housing market, and the lessons he’s learned along the way. The conversation kicks off with Joe reflecting on his career highlights, including his anticipation of hitting the billion-dollar mark in properties sold. He shares insights into the dynamic Chicago real estate scene, focusing on neighborhoods like Lincoln Park, Lakeview, and Ravenswood, which continue to thrive thanks to great fundamentals and places to live. Joe talks about the importance of keeping up in a challenging market, offering insight into deal and pipeline management and maintaining resilience through uncertain times. Phil and Joe discuss Chicago’s recent Northwest Side Housing Preservation Ordinance, unpacking its potential impact on property values and the city’s housing market. Joe provides a straightforward assessment of the law, voicing concerns about unintended consequences while highlighting the need for balance in legislative approaches. Despite the challenges, Joe remains an unwavering advocate for Chicago, citing the city’s thriving cultural scene, robust economy, and strong community appeal as reasons for why it remains an excellent place to invest and live in. The pair also engage in a dialogue on navigating the complexities of real estate in an evolving Chicago market, and why Joe believes staying consistent and focused on the long-term is key to success in the industry. Since joining Interra in 2014, Joe has personally sold over 240 properties, comprised of over 5,300 units, for a total consideration of over $940,000,000. He has helped the firm grow and and gained the respect of his clients through his honest and direct approach and dedication to his clients’ interests. Joe has been recognized by his peers in recent years as Broker of the Year – Investment Sales by the Illinois Real Estate Journals; and was a Private Capital Markets Investment Broker of the Year Finalist in the Greater Chicago Food Depository CRE Awards. Interra Realty is a boutique commercial real estate brokerage firm focused on selling private capital, mid-sized apartment buildings. Founded in 2010, the firm has closed numerous transactions valued in excess of several billion dollars, with clients ranging from high-net-worth individuals and private investors to private equity groups, hedge funds, and private investors.

Phil and Dave dive right into it--with Dave discussing Hiffman National, his everyday job as a broker and how his time is primarily spent with property owners or industrial landlords or tenants in the marketplace trying to buy, sell or lease a building to suit their business needs. He then tells listeners how he began in industrial real estate in 2005, how the tide turned during the economic downturn of 2008-09, and the market corrections that led to bigger opportunities. He then touches on the market before, during and post-COVID which leads into a discussion on the industrial real estate conundrum of supply chain issues that created a demand for more buildings, and then landing on how inflation and interest rates have distressed cash flow and driven construction deliveries down. The duo also talks about how industrial has become the darling of the investor world, and the regression of landlord-tenant relationships—with fewer private landlords, and how tenants are feeling the trickle-down effect of the high rents market. David explains how Hiffman is crafting ways to cut some of the costs from these deals on the tenant representative side and conversely, how landlords are holding steady since vacancies in the city are low, giving them the advantage. David delves into how tenants are realizing ways to responsibly apply their funds and efficiently utilize their space. They also touch on transportation and how this major industry is in influx, and hypothesize the blueprint of one of the world’s major e-commerce companies and how they make choices on leasing space. Dave also explains what’s happening with infill development and the economic programs that are available in Cook County to spur economic growth, as well as the difficulties that are created by the county’s tax structure and what the future may hold for commercial and industrial property owners trying to make the best decisions for their companies. David Haigh is a vice president and industrial real estate broker whose primary focus includes landlord and tenant representation in suburban Chicago. A veteran of Operation Iraqi Freedom, 2003-2004, Dave credits his attention to detail and work ethic to his time spent in the military. His range of services he provides include acquisitions, dispositions, leasing and site search analysis. Dave and his family enjoy traveling, and he volunteers as a Big Brother within the Big Brothers Big Sisters Association of Chicago. Headquartered in Oakbrook Terrace, Illinois, Hiffman is a full-service, privately owned commercial real estate brokerage and management company. Hiffman National is the company’s management platform serving markets across the nation. NAI Hiffman is the Chicago-based brokerage operation and representative for NAI Global, the world’s largest managed network of real estate service providers across the world.

In this episode of the Real Estate for Breakfast podcast, Ice Miller Real Estate Practice Group partner and host Phil Coover sits down with Matt Pistorio, principal at R2 Companies, a privately-held, fully integrated real estate investment and development firm, and founder of Madison Rose, a real estate firm specializing in agency leasing. During the conversation, Matt talks about his passion for what he does and details how he began his professional journey with commercial brokerage houses. He recounts his road to becoming a principal at R2, and the opportunities and support of colleagues that allowed him to simultaneously have two significant roles at major real estate companies, including founding and driving Madison Rose forward. He details his involvement with the two companies, which at time cross paths on projects but remain separate. Matt discusses his mentors and the impact they had in the way he guides and manages his employees, and his belief that positive energy and attitude translates into building a positive workforce and overall success. Phil and Matt also talk about the office market and the current vacancy rate in Chicago, and how cities across the nation are feeling the pressure. Specifically, the massive dent in the market due to less demand with more people working from home. Matt and Phil also discuss distressed office space and explain the methodology of what should and needs to occur to get a business to a place that feels good where it can operate effectively. They also dive into the diamond that is 150 North Michigan, and the outlook of how it will play out in the market as a prime location, with new amenities and building upgrades. They touch on what Chicago looks like post-pandemic, if people are coming back downtown, the downside of financing and underwriting transactions, and everyone’s favorite – taxes. The pair also talk about the strategy in bringing back the Chicago Board of Trade building from foreclosure to a white-hot, second-generation property for office use, and how vintage spaces are being rebranded and brought back to life while maintaining their history and importance to the city. Matt has nearly two decades of experience repositioning and leasing of commercial real estate assets. His projects include the Chicago Main Post Office, Aon Center, Citadel Center, Willis Tower and Prudential Plaza. Matt is a two-time recipient of the Greater Chicago Food Depository’s ‘Broker of the Year’ Award. R2 Companies owns, operates and manages superior investment opportunities. With offices in Chicago, Milwaukee and Minneapolis, they are fully-integrated – managing all aspects of the real estate investment process. Madison Rose, founded in 2019, brings buildings back to life. Named after Pistorio’s two daughters, the firm brings a new age model to leasing by curating the stories of properties and tailoring their approach to showcase each building’s unique strengths and value.

In this episode of the Real Estate for Breakfast podcast, host Phil Coover interviews Chris Gersch, the founder and CEO of Verde Solutions (Verde). Verde is a full-service consulting firm utilizing a sensible approach to renewable energy, primarily focusing on building, financing, and engineering solar systems, also advising on battery storage and EV where appropriate but concentrating on solar energy efforts with over 1,400 projects in 48 states. During their conversation, the pair discuss Verde’s founding in 2012, and the renewable energy projects that affect individual and commercial real estate. They talk about the financing, government incentives, and cost saving for projects using solar energy, as well as the effort to educate commercial developers on the benefits of solar energy for the environment and project costs. Getting more granular, the duo also talk about the energy incentives from the federal government extending to 2031, the potential challenges encountered during projects, and Chris’ hopes for nurturing partnerships and plans for company growth. Chris Gersch knows the in-and-outs of the clean energy industry. For more than 20 years he has cultivated his portfolio through his knowledge of finance and his passion for sustainability. Chris serves as an adjunct professor at the University of Chicago, designing and teaching quantitative trading strategies and algorithmic system modeling, and often appears as an expert guest speaker for CNBC, Bloomberg, CNN, and Fox Business News. Active in his community, Chris sits on many executive and advisory boards for professional and nonprofit organizations and is a distinguished member of the National Small Business Association (NSBA) Leadership Council. Verde Solutions serves clients ranging from large companies to small municipalities by providing a variety of services. The company is focused on providing next-gen solutions for some of the most complex problems in the energy industry across the country.

During their conversation, Phil and Sarah discuss how Hiffman is not a one-size-fits-all company and the intrinsic knowledge it takes to provide what the clients want and need to satisfy their stakeholders and investors. Sarah talks about the ability to be customizable, a perk of being privately owned, and how it has positioned Hiffman as a top alternative firm to the big national players. Hiffman is responsible for spaces in office, medical and industrial real estate — with the latter experiencing a surge in the Midwest since Covid. They also discuss ESG, its history and the three pillars; E for environmental, S for social, and G for governance. Within each of the pillars, different strategies are constantly evolving and being determined in how companies are contributing to being a sustainable player in the nation, world, and ecosystem. ESG is a way for stakeholders, investors and partners to examine more than just the bottom line, and evaluate questions like: “What impact are they leaving on the environment?” and, “What impact are we leaving on society?” The pair digs into how ESG is touching real estate efforts across the globe, and how Hiffman has made huge steps in talking to their clients about how to implement ESG standards and how many institutional money is requiring ESG processes for their investments, particularly from foreign investors. Sarah talks about the growth of the company, first in the Midwest and then branching out to Philadelphia and the East Coast. Their initial growth was organic and then spread through client driven initiatives. Hiffman National delivers full range commercial real estate services nationwide and have planted their flag throughout America with offices in 27 states; however, the company is always examining what may be the best next location for expansion. Sarah Cannella joined Hiffman in 2012 and is currently responsible for the oversight of the property management platform and operational initiatives, including transitioning assets, the Hiffman U property management training program, auditing, due diligence and technology platform directives. Sarah oversees four individuals who are solely dedicated to administering and evolving the Property Management platform. Prior to her role in operations, Sarah worked with the Hiffman Management Services group on behalf of investor clients on industrial, office and retail assets throughout the Chicagoland market. Headquartered in Oakbrook Terrace, Illinois, Hiffman is a full-service, privately owned commercial real estate brokerage and management company. Hiffman National is the company’s management platform serving markets across the nation. NAI Hiffman is the Chicago-based brokerage operation and representative for NAI Global, the world’s largest managed network of real estate service providers across the world.

During their conversation, Phil and Jon talk about his start with the company, growth, and responsibilities as CEO. Jon also speaks on the bread and butter of what makes Belgravia, a smaller conglomerate, a frontrunner in the Chicago condo market and deep dives into how they survived and came out fairly unscathed in the economic downturn of 2008 and how they are navigating the current market. They touch on macroeconomics, failing banks, interest rates and where the market stands and the demand and desire for new product, as well as Belgravia’s expansion into the West. Jon provides his thoughts about the challenges in the market and what goes into the decision-making process in choosing and building a project. The pair also discuss distressed investments in office and the fluctuation in occupancy and funding in older spaces, and the wait and see game. Jon McCulloch has been with Belgravia Group since 2004 and serves as the Chief Executive Officer. He is responsible for the company’s residential developments and oversees the company's debt and equity needs. He also is a Principal at Belgravia affiliate, Lakewest, Inc., as well as a co-founder of Lakewest Venture Partners, and a Venture Partner at Dundee Venture Capital. He is also an avid soccer fan and member of the U.S. Soccer Federation’s Chicago Development Council, which efforts support increasing access and resources to accelerate the development of youth soccer players and their coaches. Belgravia Group is an industry leader and vertically integrated company with divisions for real estate development, sales and marketing, interior design, accounting, customer service, and a full range of real estate legal services. Belgravia recently expanded to the Arizona market, with Portico, a collection of luxury condominiums.

During the podcast, Alissa and Phil discuss serious distress in the office real estate market nationwide—particularly in larger cities such as San Francisco, New York, and Boston. Within those cities, challenges including transportation, tax assessments, and crime are explored while emphasizing other issues such as the change in work culture and having dated, functionally obsolete office spaces. These compounding issues have contributed to the seriously distressed office market, which could have cascading micro and macro economic effects. They also touch on the “Wall of Maturity” for CMBS loans coming due. With lenders having pulled back dramatically on lending in the office market, there is starting to be, and will continue to be, challenging situations for borrowers—who may have to fight foreclosure or hand over the keys to a lender in this difficult environment. The pair also discuss the challenges and factors that play into repurposing a building, whether an owner can demolish or convert a property, and the hurdles that these properties encounter in examining how to value them and what they will become. Ultimately, some people will see a lot more funds to buy distressed assets. Alissa Adler joined Colliers as SVP in 2019, and focuses on office investment sales across the Midwest, as well as debt and equity placement, and has in-depth experience across office, industrial and retail asset classes. Based in the Chicago area, Alissa is recognized in the industry for utilizing her broad real estate knowledge and massive network to uniquely serve her diverse client base. Colliers is a global leader in real estate services and management. Founded in 1898 in Vancouver, Canada, as a real estate, property management and insurance agency, it now operates in 66 countries, with 18,000 employees worldwide that collaboratively work to provide expert real estate and investment advice to clients. Colliers Chicago was founded in 1947, and is made up of more than 300 real estate advisors, property management professionals and staff. The company’s mission is to maximize the potential of property and real assets to accelerate the success of their clients, investors, and team.

The foursome talks about real estate development and trends, specifically in the Midwest and opportunities that the company is exploring for continued long-term growth in office, residential and industrial space. During the podcast, Peter and Dan discuss strong Midwest market and epicenters for growth, as well as the importance of having a partner with strong ties to local government and public affairs to streamline projects for success. They also touch on the challenges in the market with increasing costs and if the demand will keep up with the supply that’s trending. Peter speaks to seizing the right opportunities to go forward and long-term fundamentals, while Dan talks about being selective and the importance of building culture, logistics and the inside knowledge of opportunities that will drive demand to spaces. Peter Kelly is the Executive Vice President of LPC’s commercial real estate activities across the Midwest, which include acquisitions, dispositions, development, joint ventures, agency leasing, property management, construction management and other services. LPC Midwest has grown to over 15 million square feet of assets under management across five states, under Peter’s direction. As Vice President at LPC, Dan Reidy oversees industrial property acquisitions and development in the Chicago area and throughout the Midwest. Dan joined the company in 2019 and has been at the forefront of many major developments in and around the region and is currently leading the efforts of a $100+ million project in Indianapolis and Columbus. Lincoln Property Company was founded in 1965. LPC Midwest is one of the region’s leading commercial real estate service providers, offering property management, leasing, investment and construction management services. Our regional headquarters is located in Chicago, Illinois along with 15 offices across the Midwest employing 60 top-tier real estate professionals with the skills and resources to meet the needs of our diverse clients.

In this episode of the Real Estate for Breakfast podcast, host Phil Coover chats with Chris Fotopoulos (EVP of Legal, Real Estate, and Risk), and Sam Harmelech, of Verano Holdings - a multi-state cannabis operator headquartered in Illinois, harvesting six brands and 120 retail dispensaries in 13 U.S. states – and growing. During their conversation, the group discusses the challenges of navigating the cannabis industry, the cultivation of such an enterprise, and the real estate hurdles of expanding in a highly regulated and ever-changing industry. Chris and Sam also speak on the difficulties of financing, fears, and safety of such an operation and the rapid pace with which the cannabis industry is growing. As Executive Vice President of Legal, Real Estate, and Risk, Chris Fotopoulos began his journey in cannabis law in 2012, as one of the first lawyers leading the charge in navigating the emerging regulatory environment. He was key in the creation of the primary application for what serves as the basis for the Illinois Cultivation Center and the first license for what is now, Verano, acting as their external General Counsel, then In-House Counsel, and now his current position. Sam Harmelech is the Vice President of Real Estate and Associate General Counsel at Verano, where he helps manage and operate the company’s portfolio of office, industrial and retail properties. In addition to managing and operating the properties, he handles all of the legal transactional work associated with acquiring, leasing, borrowing against, managing, zoning, and constructing those properties. Verano is a leading, vertically integrated, cannabis operator devoted to the ongoing improvement of communal wellness by providing responsible access to regulated cannabis products. The company strives to address vital health and wellness needs, Verano produces a comprehensive suite of premium, innovative cannabis products.

On this episode of Real Estate for Breakfast, host Phil Coover and guest Kapil Khanna, CEO of Lamar Johnson Collaborative (LJC), discuss some of the design challenges that the architecture firm faces in a changing world. As part of an integrated design practice with its parent company, Clayco, a full-service, turnkey real estate, architecture, engineering, design-build and construction firm, LJC has a competitive advantage in its understanding of the intersections between design and construction. In addition to discussing LJC’s background and overall design process, Phil and Kapil also talk about the many challenges that have arisen in the architecture industry due to the pandemic. Specifically, they discuss the supply chain and how LJC’s scale allows the company to prioritize and plan strategically to navigate the ever-changing world. Kapil also explains the concept of resiliency planning, which includes anticipating a building’s capacity to adapt to changing conditions and to maintain or regain functionality in the face of stress or disturbance. Along with sustainability, resiliency planning is another important design parameter, and Kapil shares examples of designing vertical agriculture and massive 40 acres greenhouses. Since the year is winding down, Kapil also takes the time to reflect on some of LJC’s recent projects, such as a Macy’s Flagship store, Pfizer’s Midwest headquarters and Fulton East, a newly constructed 12-story office and retail building. He says LJC is optimistic about 2023, especially as industrial projects are increasingly in demand. As CEO of LJC, Kapil Khanna focuses on overall firm management. A member of the executive leadership team, he is responsible for providing direction for both the business strategy and the implementation of initiatives to support the firm’s growth. Kapil works across all disciplines of the enterprise to seek out opportunities for greater alignment and integration, and to make positive impacts on the firm’s most complex projects. A veteran of the design industry, Kapil has provided project management on some of the region’s largest and most complex projects for healthcare and academic systems, including Cook County Health & Hospitals System’s Stroger Hospital Central Campus, University of Chicago Medicine Center for Care and Discovery Parking Garage, Orange Regional Medical Center Outpatient Care Center and Cancer Center Expansion; as well as extensive projects with higher education and healthcare facilities across the U.S. prior to joining LJC.

On this episode of Real Estate for Breakfast, host Phil Coover is joined by a fellow champion of Chicago, Jon Morgan. Jon is co-founder and managing principal of Chicago-based Interra Realty, and he and Phil begin their conversation by discussing Interra’s formation to its emergence as a middle-market commercial real estate brokerage focusing primarily on multifamily asset sales. During the episode, Phil and Jon reminisce on the 2008 recession and how it differs from today’s market conditions, especially concerning the level of control banks previously had on real estate. Now that the real estate market is so volatile, Jon ensures that research is an integral part of Interra’s philosophy. Jon says he and his colleagues track the market weekly and stay in constant communication with clients to effectively take advantage of fluctuating market conditions. Jon also explains how the multifamily market has managed to stay lucrative despite seesawing trends spurred by the pandemic. He points out that retailers are now starting to participate in the multifamily space because it keeps pace with inflation, making it a prime investment opportunity. As fellow Chicagoans, Phil and Jon do not forget to pay homage to the city by highlighting Chicago’s phenomenal restaurants, major sports teams and growing tech scene. As the two discuss prominent Chicago neighborhoods such as the West Loop, Phil capitalizes on Jon’s knowledge of economics to get him to reveal what he believes the “next West Loop”, or at least an up-and-coming area of Chicago. Jon Morgan began his career in real estate in 2004. Since then, he has been involved in more than $1 billion in transactions, including apartment buildings, retail properties and ground-up developments. Jon co-founded Interra Realty with David Goss in 2010 to create a different kind of brokerage firm, one built on trusting relationships with buyers and sellers and hyperlocal, block-by-block expertise. This, coupled with Interra’s commitment to client service, has helped the company to establish many long-lasting relationships, fuel its meteoric growth and become a destination for talent and the training of up-and-coming brokers. As Chicago’s top middle-market brokerage, Interra now handles almost one in five sales of apartment buildings up to 100 units, according to CoStar. Learn more about Interra here: https://interrarealty.com/

Vice President of Development for Wingspan Development Group Chris Coleman says that the privately owned real estate company is more of a “developer with a general contractor in-house,” than a traditional developer. That vertical integration gives Wingspan a differentiator in the market. Currently focused on multifamily and mixed-use developments in Northern Illinois, Southeastern Wisconsin and Central Florida, Wingspan is now seeking to expand into the Greater Phoenix, Greater Denver, and Greater Atlanta markets. On this episode of Real Estate for Breakfast, host Phil Coover and Chris Coleman discuss Wingspan’s real estate development strategy, how the company differs from other developers, and some of the group’s most successful projects. Additionally, they discuss how Wingspan is navigating the current real estate climate and how Chris and other company leaders chose which new markets to target. Chris explains that the Phoenix, Denver, and Atlanta markets are all areas that he himself or the group’s Director of Development, Jason Macklin, are personally familiar with, and that is what gives Wingspan comfort in moving forward in those regions. Chris refers to this concept as the group’s way of avoiding “the dumb tax,” or losing money by naively developing in areas that the local operators have passed over due to local knowledge of a development challenge. Chris also discusses the group’s formation, and how it grew out of its sister company, Nicholas & Associates. As a family-owned business, Chris points out that Wingspan can be selective about its deals, and that patience can sometimes give it an advantage over traditional development companies. Overall, Chris says, Wingspan’s number one priority is to protect the family and execute good projects. As Wingspan’s Vice President of Development, Chris is responsible for all of the company’s lines of business, including development oversight, fostering new debt and equity relationships, and implementing Wingspan’s overall strategic plan. Prior to joining Wingspan, Coleman served as Chicago Division President for William Ryan Homes, Inc. Chris first began his career in real estate in 1988 as a market analyst with The Zale Group. After spending time in Florida and Georgia, Coleman returned to Chicago in 1997 to launch his own firm specializing in in-fill redevelopment. He joined Wingspan Development Group in 2017. Learn more about Wingspan Development Group here: https://www.wingspandev.com/.

Magnolia aims to balance the needs of economic development with the important task of preserving our world's most valuable natural resources. On this episode of Real Estate for Breakfast, host Phil Coover talks environmental mitigation (that is mitigation with an “M”, not an “L”), and the creation of ecological offset markets, with Mark Bernstein of Magnolia Land Partners. The two discuss Magnolia Partners’ distinctive business model, which includes creating mitigation banks to help businesses navigate complex permitting challenges, while working with landowners to restore environmentally protected areas such as wetlands. The company receives credits for each restoration project, which it then trades with companies that need to comply with environmental regulations. The podcast also covers the economic incentives for participating in these types of restoration programs, and how available programs create economic markets which revolve around mitigation. Mark explains that Magnolia covers 100 percent of the costs associated with restoration and landowners are simply required to maintain the land and comply with the terms of the conservation easement. He also points out that this opportunity allows a proprietor to retain ownership of their land. This company is a fascinating case study in land preservation, while creating tax incentives, other economic incentives, and even profits, while being environmental stewards. Phil also asks Mark about the challenges of environmental mitigation work, his favorite projects, and the company’s plans to increase their ability to preserve land. As a co-founder of Magnolia Land Partners, Mark and his team have already secured 10,000 acres under conservation in fourteen active states, and are pioneering a new era in environmental stewardship. Prior to founding Magnolia Land Partners, Mark led the analyst team and guided new market development at one of the largest mitigation banking companies in the US. During that time, he was published in the Journal of Environmental Geosciences for contributing to the development of a new condition assessment protocol employed in wetland and stream mitigation throughout the state of Pennsylvania. Mark holds a Bachelor of Arts (cum laude with departmental honors) in Environmental Science and Economics from Northwestern University and is a member of the inaugural class of Venture For America. For more information about Magnolia Land Partners, visit https://mitigation.org/.

Phil and Mike discuss the history of Structured Development, including the company’s recent shift toward developing projects in up-and-coming areas of Chicago. Specifically, they discuss Structured Development’s Big Deahl project, a residential and mixed use building at the corner of Dayton and Blackhawk Streets in Chicago’s Clybourn Corridor. They also discuss Chicago’s Affordable Requirements Ordinance (ARO) and the requirements for affordable housing in the city. Mike explains how the ARO works, its’ challenges and pitfalls, and how Structured Development has approached meeting the city’s ARO requirements with its Big Deahl project. As you may suspect, Mike has extensive war stories from his remarkable career building Chicago. Mike regales us with the tales of the great Chicago flood in the 90s, his team’s near-death proximity to the calamity, and overwhelming aftermath of that situation. As a founding principal of Structured Development, LLC, Mike has been engaged in the real estate development and construction management business for nearly 40 years. He has extensive experience in all phases of the construction process, especially scheduling labor forces and subcontractors and comparatively purchasing material and equipment. Some of the notable projects he has completed include the City Hall Lobby and Entrance Renovations, Marshall Field and State of Illinois Pedways, Clark Lake and Roosevelt Subway Stations, McCormick Place Expansion, and numerous utility tunnel installations. He was an active participant in the conversion and renovation of obsolete loft buildings to commercial and residential reuse throughout the city, including Riverworks on Goose Island, Lincoln Lofts in Lakeview, 1415 Dayton and 1333 Kingsbury in the Halsted Triangle. During his tenure as a principal of Structured Development, the firm completed over 2,000,000 square feet of product including Lincoln Park Center, Blackhawk on Halsted, Kingsbury Center, and Kendall College at Riverworks. Mike has represented the Builders Association of Greater Chicago on the City’s Minority Relations Committee, has served on the recent Land Use Task Force Committee, and is a member of the International Council of Shopping Centers, Urban Land Institute, and Lambda Alpha International. He is a 20-year member of World Presidents Organization, and a past President of Olympia Fields Country Club. He has also served on the Advisory Board for the Marshall Bennett Institute of Real Estate at Roosevelt University for over a decade.

In this episode of Real Estate for Breakfast, host Phil Coover is joined by his colleague and guest co-host LaTonya Ellis, and his former law school classmate, Nicole White, the newly appointed Chief Legal Officer and Corporate Secretary at Avison Young.  Avison Young is a full service global real estate company. Nicole and Phil briefly reminisce about their time as law students at DePaul University, but quickly jump into a conversation about Nicole’s new role as Chief Legal Officer and Corporate Secretary at Avison Young: what it entails, her career trajectory and how the company has grown so fast in such a short amount of time, and challenges for growth and culture in a post pandemic world.During the episode, LaTonya shares that she too will be taking on a new position as Ice Miller’s Director of Legal Operations and Knowledge Management. She and Nicole acknowledge that there is a degree of uncertainty that accompanies taking on a new role, but they both admit that they are more excited for the chance to leverage their talents in new and different ways. As their conversation continues, Phil, LaTonya and Nicole discuss the importance of workplace culture and how employees’ priorities have shifted during the pandemic. In particular, they agree that strategic growth and a healthy, flexible workplace culture can help retain employees and sustain revenue. As Chief Legal Officer and Corporate Secretary of Avison Young, Nicole promotes the firm’s corporate culture of trust and integrity through strategic growth initiatives and the overall management of the firm’s global legal affairs. She provides the senior leadership team and Board of Directors with legal guidance to achieve Avison Young’s objectives, including leveraging multidimensional data, technology and consultative solutions that enable clients to achieve their unique and rapidly transforming goals. In addition, Nicole handles complex business matters, mitigates risk and protects the firm’s competitive advantage. She also sits on the firm’s Executive Committee.Prior to joining Avison Young, Nicole was an attorney for the Allstate Corporation. She earned her juris doctor from DePaul University College of Law and received her undergraduate degree in psychology from the University of Michigan in Ann Arbor.

In this episode of Real Estate for Breakfast, host Phil Coover is joined by his good friend, Colin Laitner, principal of Metis Capital, and General Counsel of Deeter Investments, based in Austin, Texas. During an engaging discussion, Phil and Colin examine the topic of Metaverse real estate – what it is, how it works and its extrinsic value. Recently, Metaverse real estate has been a hot topic in the news. With a supposed gold rush for Metaverse real estate happening, some early adopters have already invested millions of U.S. dollars in virtual property on platforms such as Axium Infinity, Sandbox and Decentral Land. Phil and Colin discuss these trends, draw parallels between Metaverse real estate and NFTs or “non-fungible tokens,” the relationship of crypto-currency to Metaverse real estate, and assess the potential value of Metaverse property. They also point out the similarities as well as the differences between Metaverse real estate and traditional real estate, and how concepts such as scarcity and human attention can actually drive value. As an attorney and real estate developer, Colin is knowledgeable about emerging financing methods like blockchain, and he regularly advises clients who are on the cutting edges of new transactional technologies. Colin leverages his extensive background in real estate and tax law to explain how transactions are completed in the Metaverse and how each transaction, including real estate, is taxed. Colin serves as general counsel and principal of Metis Capital, a commercial real estate development company based in Austin, Texas. Colin’s diverse array of transactional, legal and developmental experience includes sales, mergers and acquisitions, ground-up project development, and ongoing operational roles. Colin has personally overseen over $100 million in transactions for Metis Capital’s parent company, Deeter Investments LLP, and has been responsible for post-closing investor oversight, compliance, tax reporting and financing. Colin’s development experience covers all project stages including the initial inception of concept; the feasibility, transactional, legal and planning stages; all build phases from ground up to finish out; the sales and lease processes; and closing. Currently, he is overseeing Metis’ “Sheldon Cove” project in North-Central Austin, which will soon host the largest climbing gym in Texas. He also maintains a legal practice and is licensed in real estate by the Texas Real Estate Commission.

In this episode of Real Estate for Breakfast, host Phil Coover and co-host Jay Augustyn are joined by Nick Earls and Eric DiNicola, co-founders of Winterspring Capital. Phil and Jay sit down with Nick and Eric to discuss the pair’s 20-year friendship and how they successfully developed a business and brand from their first real estate project, which included the renovation and sale of three condominium units in Boston. The Winterspring story is interesting in seeing how two friends can create a real estate development company, without deep pocket backers, by taking one step at a time, by building skills, by stepping out of their comfort zone and focusing on marketing, and by measuring each decision and learning lessons as they build for the future. Specifically, the group examines the pros and cons of funding projects with equity investments in lieu of debt; the company’s marketing strategy and plans for future growth including writing books and articles for public consumption; the concept of the “karma economy”; and Winterspring’s foray into Boston’s affordable housing market. As co-founder and managing principal of Winterspring Capital, Nick Earls has over a decade of experience in all phases of commercial real estate, including asset management, sales, new construction development and property management. While building his own portfolio, he has also guided many investors down the path of multifamily investment, management or development. He is an expert on multifamily condominium development, underwriting, and asset management in the multifamily space and is also the author of the top-rated book, “Making Millions through Multi-Family Development.” Eric DiNicola is also a co-founder and managing principal of Winterspring Capital. His strong financial background spans over a decade. Eric began working in public equity in 2010 and moved into the private equity markets where he worked on valuations and capital raising. Joining forces with Nick in 2015, Eric leveraged his investment experience and expertise to accelerate the growth of Winterspring's real estate business. Heading up the company’s acquisitions team, Eric leans on his extensive broker network to keep Winterspring's deal pipeline full. For more information, visit: https://winterspringcapital.com/

On the podcast, Phil and Mark discuss the process of debt placement and financing for all types of commercial real estate deals. In particular, they examine a particular type of financing from life insurance companies, and what those types of lenders look for in terms of deals. From there, they discuss the difference between lending sources, from life companies, to traditional banking, to CMBS loans, and current market trends stemming from COVID-19 fallout. Mark highlights the importance of relationships– both his own personal relationships and those cultivated throughout Draper and Kramer, Incorporated’s over 125-year history – in finding the best deals for his borrower and lender clients.

In this episode of Real Estate for Breakfast, host Phil Coover is joined by Dan Wagner, senior vice president of government relations at The Inland Real Estate Group of Companies, Inc. (Inland). During the episode, Phil and Dan discuss the history of Inland, the numerous benefits of 1031 like kind exchange, and Delaware Statutory Trusts. The Inland Real Estate Group of Companies, one of the nation’s largest commercial real estate and finance groups, was founded over 50 years ago by four Chicago public school teachers. Dan gives Phil an overview of the firm’s modest beginnings, from its initial founding to its transformation into one of the largest residential real estate company in Chicago, and then pivots to big box retail, among other investments. Dan explains that due to tax law changes in the 1980s, Inland’s four founders saved their investors from potential ruin by calling upon the Treasury to create Delaware Statutory Trust. Phil and Dan further discuss the intricacies and myriad benefits of the 1031 like kind exchange, the “401K of real estate,” and how these transactions can be used to make a positive impact on the economy. As Vice President of Government Relations at Inland, Dan keeps the company’s leadership up to date on regulatory and legislative issues. He regularly interfaces with government leaders and associations on behalf of the company to ensure that important policies are implemented and upheld. Dan also serves on the Board of Trustees for the Conservation Foundation, a not-for-profit organization dedicated to preserving and restoring the natural environment in northeastern Illinois. The Inland Real Estate of Companies manages millions of square feet of commercial property in 49 states. As a business incubator, Inland supports its member companies that provide commercial real estate-related services and alternative investment funds, including limited partnerships, institutional funds and non-listed and listed REITs, and investment advice. For more information, please visit: https://inlandgroup.com/

In this episode of Real Estate for Breakfast, host Phil Coover is joined by guest co-host Tyler Kalachnik, a partner in Ice Miller’s Public Finance Group, and featured guest Matt Fiascone, President of The Habitat Company. In recognition of The Habitat Company’s 50th year in business anniversary, the group discusses the history of the company and its full spectrum of offerings in the multifamily housing space from affordable public housing development to luxury condominium third-party management. They dive deeper into current trends in affordable housing, the explosion of LIHTC deals and the impact of the COVID-19 pandemic. With Matt’s broad real estate experience, he is able to provide keen insights into managing people, creating culture and running a sustainable real estate business. Tyler Kalachnik is a partner in and vice chair of the Firm's Public Finance Group. Tyler has served as bond counsel, underwriter's counsel, disclosure counsel and borrower's counsel for both long-term and short-term financings involving the pledge of revenues, taxes or a combination thereof. Tyler also has experience in transactions involving letters of credit, standby bond purchase agreements, interest rate and commodity swaps.Tyler has participated in financings including single and multi-family housing projects, airports, municipal gas utilities, prepaid natural gas transactions, municipal water utilities, Indiana's State Revolving Fund Program, solid waste disposal facilities, 501(c)(3) organizations  and temporary loan warrants for political subdivisions and school corporations. Tyler also works in the Public Finance Group's rebate calculation practice. President of The Habitat Company, Matt Fiascone has led a full range of real estate development and investment activities for more than 30 years. Since joining The Habitat Company in 2011, Matt has been instrumental in strategizing, executing and managing capital events including development joint ventures, recapitalization of existing ventures and acquisitions. Matt has also established new relationships for both debt and equity, as well as strategic partnerships.As president he leads the creation and integration of the vision and growth of Habitat. During his tenure he has overseen the expansion of the company's footprint and assets under management with a focus on continuously enhancing the company's culture for its team members, partners and residents.Previously, Matt served as senior vice president for Inland Real Estate Development Corporation, where he originated and implemented real estate transactions involving assets valued at over $1 billion and negotiated and managed equity joint ventures.Matt serves as vice chairman of the Board of Directors of Inland Bank and Trust and is a member of Lambda Alpha (a Land Economics Honorary Society), the Urban Land Institute and the National Multifamily Housing Council. Matt has been a frequent speaker and panelist for industry events. In addition, he is a licensed real estate broker in Illinois, Florida, Wisconsin and Missouri.For more information, please visit https://www.habitat.com/.