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Comedy, case law, chaos. Practicing attorney and TikTok gal @rebmasel breaks down bizarre, chaotic, and intriguing cases and anecdotes from the legal field you've (probably) never heard of. Listen to Reb's hilarious and informative takes on the weird, the awesome, the horrifying, the inspiring, and the everything-in-between happening inside and outside the courtroom.
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(WATCH THIS EPISODE ON YOUTUBE) On December 7, 1941, pilots from the Imperial Japanese Navy bombed Pearl Harbor in a surprise attack on the island of Oahu, Hawaii. After strafing Pearl Harbor in the second wave of the attack, Imperial Japanese Navy Air Service pilot Shigenori Nishikaichi was in dire straits—his plane was too damaged to make it back to his aircraft carrier.
If necessary, all Imperial Japanese pilots were instructed to crash land on Ni'ihau, a small Hawaiian island they were certain was "uninhabited."
They were wrong.
This is the story of the Battle of Ni'ihau—One pilot, one remote island, 136 Ni'ihauans, and a declaration of war only the enemy pilot knew about.
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(WATCH THIS EPISODE ON YOUTUBE) Before 2019, no crimes had been committed in space (that we know of). After poring over records, the New York Times could only come up with three things: (1) damage to a Russian satellite that was allegedly China’s fault; (2) a lawsuit seeking to recover a deposit somebody put down for a space-tourism trip; and (3) a U.S.-government sting operation aimed at recovering a moon rock. Only one of those happened in space, though, and none of them are crimes.
That is, until an ex-wife of a NASA astronaut decided to play petty.
Reb launches us into two cases: (1) a bad break up and (2) a horrific moon-rock-related detention by federal agents of a Granny in a diner parking lot.
This is Summer Heather Worden v. Anne McClain (2019) (2025) and Joann Davis v. United States (2017).
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0:00 - Intro / MERCH IS LIVE
3:37 - Cases begin / Antarctica is our best comparison to Space
14:20 - CASE 1 (A Colonel and a Liar)
30:43 - CASE 2 (A Widow and the Worst Federal Agents Ever)
58:20 - Reb's Rebuttal
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(WATCH THIS EPISODE ON YOUTUBE) ***CONTENT WARNING: GRAPHIC DESCRIPTIONS OF VIOLENT DEATH*** By the time police arrived, there was little that could be done for her. A medical examiner testified that the only parts of her body that were spared were the "top of her head" and the "soles of her feet." ...
This is the story of two lawyers.
But more importantly, this is Diane Whipple's story.
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0:00 - Intro / Content Warning
0:21 - Case Begins
1:35 - Somehow it gets more horrific
3:13 - Witness accounts
13:03 - Diane Whipple is everything and more
19:06 - Autopsy report
20:30 - Bane, Hera, and the worst people imaginable
24:32 - NOEL MILLER AND MARJORIE KNOLLER
32:36 - Murder and manslaughter trials & (kind of confusing) appeals
38:23 - Where are they now?
38:37 - Sharon Smith, the angel to carry Diane's memory
48:46 - Reb's Rebuttal
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(WATCH THIS EPISODE ON YOUTUBE) The record for most helicopter escapes goes to convicted murderer Pascal Payet, who has used helicopters to escape from prisons in 2001, 2003, and most recently 2007....
Reb goes down a Wikipedia rabbit hole for this Thanksgiving episode.
Happy holidays! See you next week!!!!
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0:00 - Intro / MERCH IS COMING !
4:41 - HELICOPTER ESCAPE CASES BEGIN
40:26 - Reb's Rebuttal
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(WATCH THIS EPISODE ON YOUTUBE) “We walked straight into (Arizona Department of Corrections). We handed it to them. [S]he was kind of confused at first ... Two days later, instead of serving 22 more years, David Cramer walked out of Lewis Prison..."
This is State of Arizona v. Cramer (2015), but mostly every bizarre twist that came after it.
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0:00 - Intro
0:48 - CASE SUMMARY (bruh)
7:58 - Doing the most
14:21 - Find a border and cross it
19:04 - New MLM just dropped
20:17 - ALL THE KIDNAPPING DETAILS
30:57 - AZ State Bar clocks in...kind of
33:50 - What are sovereign citizens again...? (Reb tells you)
39:39 - THE INFAMOUS SIT-DOWN INTERVIEW
42:48 - THE INFAMOUS WEBSITE
47:25 - Reb's Rebuttal
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(WATCH THIS EPISODE ON YOUTUBE) The State of Connecticut charged Teresa Beatty $249 per day, every day, while she was in prison for a minor drug offense from 2000 to 2002—But she wouldn't discover this until 20 years later. When her mother died in 2020, the State of Connecticut filed a notice in probate court demanding approximately 35%—over $83,000—of Beatty’s inheritance. And it was perfectly legal.
In fact, at least 45 states in America force you to pay (literally) for the privilege of being imprisoned in a country with one of the highest incarceration rates in the world...
This is Beatty v. Lamont (2022), State v. Richey (2019), and "Pay-To-Stay" laws.
Links
Captive Money Lab: "Pay-to-stay laws keep a person incarcerated long after their prison term ends."
Pay To Stay June 2025 Report, Campaign Zero Research & Policy Brief: "This report takes an in-depth look at pay-to-stay fee policies and practices of charging adults and youths held in jails, prisons, and youth residential facilities for the costs of their incarceration, including medical fees and expenses for room & board."
The "Damaged" State v. the "Willful" Nonpayer: Pay-to-Stay and the Social Construction of Damage, Harm, and Moral Responsibility in a Rent-Seeking Society (2022) (Russell Sage Foundation Journal of the Social Sciences)
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0:00 - Intro
00:10 - CASES BEGIN
10:10 - What is "Pay-to-Stay"?
18:16 - States say it teaches WHAT?!
19:22 - DOES THIS EVEN HELP "TAXPAYERS"?
24:19 - SPOILER: For-profit prisons is a bad idea
28:51 - Who shoulders this burden? Black, Hispanic, the poor
33:46 - PRISONS: DELIBERATE POVERTY AND FORCED LABOR
37:41 - Incarcerated people are forced to work
42:18 - Unsafe work conditions
43:20 - The South = Highest rate in entire world
44:17 - THESE NUMBERS ARE INSANE.
45:00 - Prison Banking
46:45 - Recent accounts from incarcerated people from Oct 2025
49:48 - Captive Money Lab Research: THE IMPACTS OF PAY-TO-STAY LAWS!!!
52:13 - Reb's Rebuttal
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(WATCH THIS EPISODE ON YOUTUBE) “You’ve got an impressive slate of candidates,” Brian Manookian said to a panel considering applications for a Tennessee Supreme Court seat. “Judge [Kelvin] Jones is not one of them.”
Why? Check his backyard. And his divorce transcripts.
Reb reminds you to keep your mouth shut in Jones v. Jones (Ten. Ct. App. 2022).
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0:00 - Intro / Important Lesson
1:01 - CASE BEGINS
4:23 - The "that was bonkers" protocol
7:59 - *60 or so pages later*
10:03 - JUDGE JONES HAS A PROFESSIONAL HATER
10:50 - WWJJAD (What would Judge Jones allegedly do) (A lot)
11:30 - LIST OF (ALLEGED) CRIMES
17:33 - Judge Jones wants a promotion. Naturally.
21:30 - DON'T THROW STONES IN A HOUSE OF GLASS
23:26 - Professional hater is disbarred
27:33 - REB'S REBUTTAL
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(WATCH THIS EPISODE ON YOUTUBE) BREAKING: If you arrest AND charge a man over a few (really funny) jokes, The Onion will probably file a brief with the U.S. Supreme Court to let you know how stupid you are.
And yes, they'll call the Justices "total Latin dorks" on Page 4.
This is Anthony Novak v. City of Parma, Ohio (2022).
>>LINK TO THE ONION'S BRIEF
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0:00 - Intro
1:14 - Amicus curiae = "Friend of the court"
5:16 - CASE BEGINS
6:29 - The 6th Circuit is wrong<3
10:25 - QUALIFIED IMMUNITY IS INSANE
13:14 - These cases will enrage you
20:23 - ANTHONY NOVAK SUES
21:42 - This is funnier on YouTube
22:36 - THE ONION CLOCKS IN!!!!!!
50:13 - CASE RESULT + REB'S REBUTTAL
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(WATCH THIS EPISODE ON YOUTUBE) **LISTENER DISCRETION ADVISED, GRAPHIC DESCRIPTIONS OF TRAUMATIC DEATH INVOLVING CHILDREN** Shortly after 2:00 A.M. on July 23, 1982, actor Vic Morrow paced nervously in front of a mock Vietnamese village at the Indian Dunes park just north of Los Angeles. Morrow could not help but feel uneasy as he watched the Huey helicopter approach the village for a final rehearsal. Years earlier, Morrow had had a premonition that he was going to die in a helicopter crash. . . .
This is the story of ego, arrogance, a manslaughter trial, and the conduct of Director John Landis and his production team that resulted in the deaths of My-ca Dinh Le (7) , Renee Shin-Li Chen (6), and Vic Morrow (53).
***The YouTube video for this episode includes actual footage of a helicopter crash resulting in death. Viewer discretion advised.***
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0:00 - CONTENT WARNING
0:11 - The Night Of
6:56 - The Case
7:59 - The Director
12:01 - The "Animal House" Era
15:47 - The "Blues Brothers" Era & The Ballooning Ego of John Landis
23:06 - Landis's Script For "Twilight Zone: The Movie"....Uh....
27:46 - Landis Hates Child Labor Laws :(
34:59 - The Production Team Hates Laws and/or Their Job
45:26 - The Days Prior & The Night Of (WTF....)
57:49 - John Landis & Co. Is The Worst (Still)
1:00:43 - The Manslaughter Trial
1:27:29 - The Verdict
1:32:55 - Reb's Rebuttal
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(WATCH THIS EPISODE ON YOUTUBE) How far would you go for your wardrobe? 16 years of litigation, perhaps?
Witness the unraveling of Judge Roy Pearson in Pearson v. Chung (2007).
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0:00 - Intro
00:17 - Case begins
2:31 - The Infamous Pants
5:18 - Roy demands...a lot
7:49 - *PRETENDS TO BE SHOCKED*
9:26 - Motions and appeals and...you might be fired?
10:40 - You are broke
12:26 - Sue the city? Sure
13:09 - One Cook, Losing Kitchen
16:19 - Pearson gets disciplined
21:14 - Where are they now?
22:58 - Reb's Rebuttal
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(WATCH THIS EPISODE ON YOUTUBE) “His statement was that [the other man] had summoned ‘Bigfoot’ to come and kill him. That’s why he had to kill [him first]. . . "
Sasquatch is (somehow) always in court. Let's go hunting. These are the Bigfoot cases.
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0:00 - Intro
4:39 - CASE #1 (Broke and Afraid)
13:22 - CASE #2 (Sasquatch Hitman)
21:58 - CASE #3 (California, Recognize Our 'Feet)
30:05 - CASE #4 (Canada, You Too)
32:30 - CASE #5 ("PLEASE kill him here" -Texas, for some reason)
34:05 - CASE #6 (Sasquatch Protection Ordinances)
39:18 - CASE #7 (Shots Fired)
39:40 - CASE #8 (THE GOAT MAN....?!?!?!?!)
49:34 - Reb's Rebuttal
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(WATCH THIS EPISODE ON YOUTUBE) Do all 50 States (and their courts) agree on what IS and IS NOT a deadly weapon? Of course not. Ask the raccoons, honeybees, alligators, plastic chairs, ladles, shoes, bare hands, dogs, toy guns, teeth, and .....eggs.
Reb tells you why the difference between simple assault and felony assault with a deadly weapon as a matter of law can get.....very confusing.
LINK TO FULL COURT OPINION FROM BARE HANDS SECTION - U.S. v. Rocha, 598 F.3d 1144 (9th Cir. 2010) (14 pages to explain why attacking someone with your bare hands is not assault with a deadly weapon)
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0:00 - Intro
3:10 - Cowboy Cody, a mule, and a raccoon (KY 2025)
20:30 - Honeybee warfare (MA 2022)
24:51 - A 75-year-old wife throws a chair and a ladle (MA 2022)
28:40 - WHAT IS A "DEADLY WEAPON" THEN...?
34:30 - A Wendy's Frosty and a Florida gator (FL 2016)
39:53 - Don't make me use my...bare hands? (CA 2010)
43:15 - MMA FIGHTERS AND MARTIAL ARTISTS (TX 2013)
46:17 - Biting with HIV/AIDS (NY 1999)
48:16 - DOGS AS DEADLY WEAPONS
50:06 - What if the gun is a toy? (CA 1987)
51:38 - Tasers and pepper spray are deadly weapons??!?!?!
58:18 - Eggs can be bullets, too
59:50 - LIST OF THINGS MOST COMMONLY CONSIDERED "DEADLY WEAPONS"
1:01:42 - Reb's Rebuttal
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(WATCH THIS EPISODE ON YOUTUBE) Thinking of dabbling in a bit of crime? Annoying your neighbor? Getting back at a crazy ex? Scamming people? Couponing? Pulling a prank? Putting a piece of paper inside a mailbox? Dressing up as a USPS postal worker for fun?
Wherever your criminal exploits may take you, try your very best to adhere to one not-so-simple rule: DO NOT MESS WITH THE MAIL.
These are the USPIS Postal Inspectors.
Reb Recommends:
Tales of a Gay Postal Inspector: You Can't Make This Stuff Up! by Marcus Greenspan
Smithsonian National Postal Museum, Washington, D.C.
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0:00 - Intro
4:46 - What is the USPIS?
10:11 - The "Silent Service" (Suddenly I'm patriotic)
34:56 - CASES BEGIN - JUST A FEW NOTORIOUS USPIS SHAKEDOWNS
36:06 - Steve Bannon
41:45 - The Black Hand Mafia
52:44 - Charles Ponzi (Yes, THAT Ponzi)
56:00 - The Unabomber
58:24 - The McMillions Game
1:03:07 - The Coupon Lady
1:05:54 - LIKE THE "G" IN LASAGNA, THE USPIS MOVES IN SILENCE
1:06:31 - The Smithsonian National Postal Museum Is Insanely Good
1:07:55 - Tales of a Gay Postal Inspector
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(WATCH THIS EPISODE ON YOUTUBE) "Here, a husband and wife have been marinating in a mutual hatred so intense as to surely amount to a personality disorder requiring treatment." –Judge Joseph W. Quinn
Divorce is messy. Bruni v. Bruni (2010) is messier. Listen to Reb raise a glass to the unholiest of matrimonies.
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(WATCH THIS EPISODE ON YOUTUBE) In 1870, a dog named Old Drum is shot and killed by his owner’s neighbor in Missouri. In 1457, a sow and her piglets are put on trial for the murder of a child. In 2016, a parrot repeats the words “Don’t shoot!” in his murdered owner’s voice, and many more...Humans aren't the only ones contributing to chaos in our courtrooms.
Animal (Court)House. Let’s get into it.
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(WATCH THIS EPISODE ON YOUTUBE) **CONTENT WARNING: GRAPHIC DESCRIPTIONS OF TORTURE** On March 15, 2025, President Trump announced the Venezuelan criminal gang Tren de Aragua was conducting "irregular warfare" against the United States and that members would be deported under the Alien Enemies Act of 1798. The Trump Administration quickly began deporting people allegedly affiliated with the gang—without any semblance of due process—via direct flights to a notoriously deadly El Salvadoran prison. A few days later, the Trump Administration told a federal judge it was invoking the "state secrets privilege" to refuse to provide any information to the Courts about these flights, the people they've put on them, or what (if any) evidence they had to support doing so.
As attorneys in this still-ongoing court battle [J.G.G. v. Trump (2025)] fight to stop Trump's unsanctioned deportations under the AEA, new legal questions abound: Is the Executive Branch blatantly violating Judicial orders? Are we in a Constitutional crisis yet? What is the Alien Enemies Act? What is the state secrets privilege? Were Administrations already abusing it before Trump? Can the Trump administration invoke the privilege to "disappear" whoever they choose? What happens now?
Reb gives you everything she knows on all of those topics and more. This is J.G.G. v. Trump (2025), United States v. Reynolds (1953), FBI v. Fazaga (2022), and United States v. Zubaydah (2022).
**IMPORTANT NOTE**: This episode is expected to go live on April 3, 2025, the same day the parties in J.G.G. v. Trump (2025) are set to appear in a hearing before Judge Boasberg on his Order to Defendants to show cause why they did not violate the Court's Temporary Restraining Orders. Judge Boasberg is expected to rule on the DOJ's invocation of the state secrets privilege sometime thereafter. The case is ongoing and any further updates beyond April 2 will not be covered in this episode because Reb cannot time travel. Yet.
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0:00 - Content Warning
0:32 - Intro / Necessary Context
6:40 - Background on J.G.G. v. Trump (2025)
8:25 - Secrets secrets are no fun
9:45 - A photo op isn't a secret y'all
13:30 - The Alien Enemies Act of 1798?? Really???
24:18 - Everyone is probably just stupid
27:06 - DRAMA (WITH TIMESTAMPS) OF (LIKELY) COURT ORDER VIOLATIONS
41:15 - Constitutional crisis incoming
42:20 - Trump admin loves to tweet (themselves to hell)
47:52 - The Hail Mary
53:20 - THE STATE SECRETS PRIVILEGE
53:45 - United States v. Reynolds (1953)
58:10 - The state secrets privilege is...messy
1:05:14 - ABUSE OF THE PRIVILEGE POST-9/11
1:11:30 - CIA "black sites" (TORTURE IN POLAND)
1:14:50 - FBI v. Fazaga (2022)
1:15:05 - TORTURE IN POLAND
1:16:50 - United States v. Zubaydah (2022)
1:20:43 - GORSUCH DISSENT IS...FIRE?
1:24:09 - CONTENT WARNING (TORTURE)
1:26:07 - Zubaydah wants to depose his torturers
1:30:00 - His torturers don't STFU about being torturers
1:39:02 - Gorsuch concludes with a BANG
1:42:10 - The wrong administration
1:43:05 - CAN THE TRUMP ADMIN SUCCESSFULLY USE THE PRIVILEGE?
1:46:18 - SIDEBAR: Another Judge CHEWED THEM UP
1:51:14 - REB'S REBUTTAL
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(WATCH THIS EPISODE ON YOUTUBE) An Alcatraz Island kidnapper is hired by the child he kidnapped 30 years later.
Listen to Reb snatch the (kinda heartwarming but mostly traumatizing?) details of Waley v. United States (9th Cir. 1949).
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(WATCH THIS EPISODE ON YOUTUBE) Do cats have free speech rights? How did Blackie the Talking Cat cause this much (legal) trouble?
Reb finds out in Miles v. City Council of Augusta, Georgia (11th Cir. 1983).
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0:00 - Intro
2:35 - CASE BEGINS
6:16 - Blackie's lore
12:40 - Blackie takes CASH ONLY
16:23 - Blackie supports the family<3
18:55 - THE LAW
20:03 - THE LAWSUIT
21:11 - Pets need free speech :(
22:00 - Court's Analysis (BARS!)
29:50 - Freak flags deserve to fly<3
31:37 - Court's Holding
32:01 - Wait...what can the court consider?
34:14 - THE BEST JUDGE FOOTNOTE EVER
37:17 - Famous last words :'(
38:14 - REB'S REBUTTAL
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(WATCH THIS EPISODE ON YOUTUBE) The FBI threatens to put innocent people on the No Fly List unless they agree to become unpaid FBI informants spying on their (also innocent) communities. Why? Because the FBI pretty much guarantees that random, erroneous, overinclusive, islamophobic nominations to the No Fly List will be approved, and since the process is cloaked in secrecy, there wasn't a clear way to stop them. Until now.
Fikre v. FBI (2013) and Tanzin v. Tanvir (2020) are only two of many cases challenging the No Fly List’s erroneous overinclusion and the FBI’s islamophobia. Learn about more:
https://www.aclu.org/cases/kashem-et-al-v-barr-et-al-aclu-challenge-government-no-fly-list
https://www.aclu.org/cases/chebli-v-kable-lawsuit-challenging-placement-no-fly-list
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0:00 - Intro
1:12 - Case begins
4:11 - YONAS FIKRE v. FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION (2013) (SCOTUS Opinion 2024)
4:35 - The FBI threatens Muslim citizens with the No Fly List
9:16 - SCOTUS does something correct for once
12:31 - WHAT IS THE NO FLY LIST?
15:02 - What CAN’T you do on the No Fly List?
15:54 - Everything goes back to 9/11, y’all
21:05 - OPAQUE, OVER-INCLUSIVE, INACCURATE
23:00 - Islamophobia in our FBI (pretends to be shocked)
23:27 - Kyle Rittenhouse, Jan 6ers, etc. = "white Christians" = not on the No Fly List...?!
30:26 - Watchlists are…QUOTAS?!
31:51 - WHAT????????!!!!!!!
36:04 - How can we respect the Watch Lists?!
39:32 - More cases pending (like TANZIN V. TANVIR (2020))
42:20 - REB’S REBUTTAL
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(WATCH THIS EPISODE ON YOUTUBE) What do Henry Ford's Model-T car, banning alcohol in the United States, and the FBI have in common? We needed all three to (1) catch American gangster John Dillinger and (2) make it federally legal to steal planes...FOR 26 YEARS.
Learn how to legally steal a plane in 1926 and destroy evidence in 2007! Don't believe it? Well, the U.S. Supreme Court already does!
Listen to Reb fly the skies and dump some fish in McBoyle v. United States (1931) and Yates v. United States (2015).
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0:00 - INTRO/DISCLAIMER (RECENT AVIATION DISASTERS)
5:48 - Jailbreak
7:40 - Dillinger gets whacked over….one cop car?!
9:02 - Our first car, our first FBI, our first Amendment banning alcohol
11:39 - The Dyer Act
13:35 - STEAL A PLANE WITHOUT BREAKING THE LAW
14:48 - Summary of events because what the hell is going on
17:35 - Evidence against McBoyle (more questions, no answers)
28:39 - The Dyer Act indictment
29:05 - We love a self-propelled vehicle
34:41 - Supreme Court time
35:25 - RULE OF “LENITY” IN THE COURTS
36:48 - It’s veHICLES, baby
38:06 - SCOTUS OPINION
44:50 - If it were 1931, you’d probably be good
49:07 - DESTROY EVIDENCE WITHOUT BREAKING THE LAW
53:36 - SCOTUS says fish are friends not paper
58:32 - REB’S REBUTTAL IS FIRE THIS WEEK ACTUALLY
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01:04:08 Is wild to hear after the attempt on DJT 🤣
definitely an interesting case!
definitely using "jabber-spackled" in the near future 😆