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Welcome to Retro Wars a weekly podcast series where myself and a friend talk about the games we used to play when we were kids. We will cover games from a range of consoles from the NES to the PS3. This show is for adults only.

I would love for you guys to be part of the show. By signing up for just $1.50 aus dollars a month, so roughly 70p or $1 US, you can join our discord, message me one on one, send in letters to be read on the show, take part in pateron polls for our next game and give your memories about the game we are covering that week. Any money made from Patreon will go back into the show to help make it better.

You can also support me by going to my Youtube channel, The Honest Pokemon Trainer, where I complete Pokemon challenges every three weeks.
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With spooky times apporaching it is time for a spooky game with Legacy of Kain - Soul Reaver for the playstation one. A game where it pays to be a vampire and also good at voice acting. This week, I am joined by Storm Beagle from the Retrotopia podcast. You can follow me on the following socials: Twitter: @retrowarsuk Instagram: retro_wars_podcast Tiktok: @retrowarsuk Retro Wars is now on YouTube doing Retrospectives on a bunch of games. Subscribe here at - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjyOYGaq-DSB66GfIVqWmMA Please give the show a 5 star review to help it get shown to others. If you want to help the show financially, you can do at www.patreon.com/retrowars You get access to your own fortnightly show, DLC, our discord and can join in with all the show's features. 5% of the Patreon will go to the charity, Get Well Gamers. They are a UK charity who provides children's wards in 150 hospitals with consoles and games for the children to play. Their website can be found here - https://getwellgamers.org.uk/  If you would like to donate any games you can find out how to do this here - https://getwellgamers.org.uk/donate/donate-games/  Find Storm Beagle at Retrotopia at https://open.spotify.com/show/28A670UsEPZUszXmmMm7gA  Follow our artists - Slowspeed run's new channel - Doodle Lounge at https://www.youtube.com/c/SlowSpeedrun 
Alex Kidd again....but this time I liked it. Yes, who would of thought. Alex Kidd in Shinobi World is a parody version of Sega's Shinobi and it was great fun. I am joined once again by Dave McG to see by change of heart in the flesh. Retro Wars is now on YouTube doing top 7 videos every three days. Subscribe here at - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjyOYGaq-DSB66GfIVqWmMA  You can follow me on the following socials: Twitter: @retrowarsuk Instagram: retro_wars_podcast Tiktok: @retrowarsuk Please give the show a 5 star review to help it get shown to others. If you want to help the show financially, you can do at www.patreon.com/retrowars You get access to your own fortnightly show, DLC, our discord and can join in with all the show's features. 5% of the Patreon will go to the charity, Get Well Gamers. They are a UK charity who provides children's wards in 150 hospitals with consoles and games for the children to play. Their website can be found here - https://getwellgamers.org.uk/  If you would like to donate any games you can find out how to do this here - https://getwellgamers.org.uk/donate/donate-games/  Follow our artists - Slowspeed run's new channel - Doodle Lounge at https://www.youtube.com/c/SlowSpeedrun 
This is one of those games where I hated playing it from the start to the finish. Captain Planet. I don't know where to begin. I played this on the Mega Drive and me and Raging Demon had....an experience with this. Retro Wars is now on YouTube doing top 7 videos every three days. Subscribe here at - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjyOYGaq-DSB66GfIVqWmMA  You can follow me on the following socials: Twitter: @retrowarsuk Instagram: retro_wars_podcast Tiktok: @retrowarsuk Please give the show a 5 star review to help it get shown to others. If you want to help the show financially, you can do at www.patreon.com/retrowars You get access to your own fortnightly show, DLC, our discord and can join in with all the show's features. 5% of the Patreon will go to the charity, Get Well Gamers. They are a UK charity who provides children's wards in 150 hospitals with consoles and games for the children to play. Their website can be found here - https://getwellgamers.org.uk/  If you would like to donate any games you can find out how to do this here - https://getwellgamers.org.uk/donate/donate-games/  Subscribe to our guest at Raging Demon at - https://open.spotify.com/show/6fsiD2iRpLwNQsuXA696s4  Follow our artists - Slowspeed run's new channel - Doodle Lounge at https://www.youtube.com/c/SlowSpeedrun 
We are going after the Metroids as play Metroid - Zero Mission. This is a remake of the original game on the NES based on the same art style as Metroid - Fusion. I had a blast playing this game and this week I am joined by Storm Beagle from the Retrotopia podcast. You can follow me on the following socials: Twitter: @retrowarsuk Instagram: retro_wars_podcast Tiktok: @retrowarsuk Retro Wars is now on YouTube doing Retrospectives on a bunch of games. Subscribe here at - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjyOYGaq-DSB66GfIVqWmMA Please give the show a 5 star review to help it get shown to others. If you want to help the show financially, you can do at www.patreon.com/retrowars You get access to your own fortnightly show, DLC, our discord and can join in with all the show's features. 5% of the Patreon will go to the charity, Get Well Gamers. They are a UK charity who provides children's wards in 150 hospitals with consoles and games for the children to play. Their website can be found here - https://getwellgamers.org.uk/  If you would like to donate any games you can find out how to do this here - https://getwellgamers.org.uk/donate/donate-games/  Find Storm Beagle at Retrotopia at https://open.spotify.com/show/28A670UsEPZUszXmmMm7gA  Follow our artists - Slowspeed run's new channel - Doodle Lounge at https://www.youtube.com/c/SlowSpeedrun 
I am bringing Captain N back on again for another episode. This week, we are looking at DragonBall Z - Legacy of Goku for the GBA. A sorry title that bored me to tears....yes, I do not like this game. Have a listen and you will agree with me too! You can follow me on the following socials: Twitter: @retrowarsuk Instagram: retro_wars_podcast Tiktok: @retrowarsuk   Please give the show a 5 star review to help it get shown to others. If you want to help the show financially, you can do at www.patreon.com/retrowars You get access to your own fortnightly show, DLC, our discord and can join in with all the show's features. 5% of the Patreon will go to the charity, Get Well Gamers. They are a UK charity who provides children's wards in 150 hospitals with consoles and games for the children to play. Their website can be found here - https://getwellgamers.org.uk/  If you would like to donate any games you can find out how to do this here - https://getwellgamers.org.uk/donate/donate-games/  Find Captain N at Retrotopia at https://open.spotify.com/show/28A670UsEPZUszXmmMm7gA  Follow our artists - Slowspeed run's new channel - Doodle Lounge at https://www.youtube.com/c/SlowSpeedrun 
We are looking for the Golden Apple. Welcome for the first Professor Layton game for the Nintendo DS, The Curious Village. This magical puzzle adventure has a charming story with beautiful artwork. However, it is extremely tricky with some very engaging puzzles. Trying to solve the mystery with me is Captain N from the Retrotopia podcast. You can follow me on the following socials: Twitter: @retrowarsuk Instagram: retro_wars_podcast Tiktok: @retrowarsuk   Please give the show a 5 star review to help it get shown to others. If you want to help the show financially, you can do at www.patreon.com/retrowars You get access to your own fortnightly show, DLC, our discord and can join in with all the show's features. 5% of the Patreon will go to the charity, Get Well Gamers. They are a UK charity who provides children's wards in 150 hospitals with consoles and games for the children to play. Their website can be found here - https://getwellgamers.org.uk/  If you would like to donate any games you can find out how to do this here - https://getwellgamers.org.uk/donate/donate-games/  Find Captain N at Retrotopia at https://open.spotify.com/show/28A670UsEPZUszXmmMm7gA  Follow our artists - Slowspeed run's new channel - Doodle Lounge at https://www.youtube.com/c/SlowSpeedrun 
Back to some comfort food for me in Pokemon Emerald, the upscaled version of Ruby and Sapphire. This was recorded nearly 4 years ago so be nice :P  You can follow me on the following socials: Twitter: @retrowarsuk Instagram: retro_wars_podcast Tiktok: @retrowarsuk Retro Wars is now on YouTube doing regular top 7s. Subscribe here at - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjyOYGaq-DSB66GfIVqWmMA Please give the show a 5 star review to help it get shown to others. If you want to help the show financially, you can do at www.patreon.com/retrowars You get access to your own fortnightly show, DLC, our discord and can join in with all the show's features. 5% of the Patreon will go to the charity, Get Well Gamers. They are a UK charity who provides children's wards in 150 hospitals with consoles and games for the children to play. Their website can be found here - https://getwellgamers.org.uk/  If you would like to donate any games you can find out how to do this here - https://getwellgamers.org.uk/donate/donate-games/  Follow our artists - Slowspeed run's new channel - Doodle Lounge at https://www.youtube.com/c/SlowSpeedrun 
To war we go, with our first look at the Command and Conquer series with Red Alert. I do not have a lot of experience with this franchise but I am prepared to go to battle for my comrades. This week, I am joined by Richard Jago who loves this game way too much. You can follow me on the following socials: Twitter: @retrowarsuk Instagram: retro_wars_podcast Tiktok: @retrowarsuk Retro Wars is now on YouTube doing regular top 7s. Subscribe here at - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjyOYGaq-DSB66GfIVqWmMA Please give the show a 5 star review to help it get shown to others. If you want to help the show financially, you can do at www.patreon.com/retrowars You get access to your own fortnightly show, DLC, our discord and can join in with all the show's features. 5% of the Patreon will go to the charity, Get Well Gamers. They are a UK charity who provides children's wards in 150 hospitals with consoles and games for the children to play. Their website can be found here - https://getwellgamers.org.uk/  If you would like to donate any games you can find out how to do this here - https://getwellgamers.org.uk/donate/donate-games/  Follow our artists - Slowspeed run's new channel - Doodle Lounge at https://www.youtube.com/c/SlowSpeedrun 
Episode 180 - Sonic Rush

Episode 180 - Sonic Rush

2025-08-2901:15:16

Sonic is back for a Nintendo console, this time it is Sonic Rush for the DS. Sonic had a mini revival on the GBA games but can this translate over to the DS. This week I am joined by first timer Master ShadicTH who helps discuss his love for this game. You can follow me on the following socials: Twitter: @retrowarsuk Instagram: retro_wars_podcast Tiktok: @retrowarsuk Retro Wars is now on YouTube doing regular top 7s. Subscribe here at - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjyOYGaq-DSB66GfIVqWmMA Please give the show a 5 star review to help it get shown to others. If you want to help the show financially, you can do at www.patreon.com/retrowars You get access to your own fortnightly show, DLC, our discord and can join in with all the show's features. 5% of the Patreon will go to the charity, Get Well Gamers. They are a UK charity who provides children's wards in 150 hospitals with consoles and games for the children to play. Their website can be found here - https://getwellgamers.org.uk/  If you would like to donate any games you can find out how to do this here - https://getwellgamers.org.uk/donate/donate-games/  Follow our artists - Slowspeed run's new channel - Doodle Lounge at https://www.youtube.com/c/SlowSpeedrun 
It is part 2 on our adventures into the world of Aladdin but this time we are looking at the Mega Drive version. My guest is the Prince of the king of games, Prince Ali..I mean Chris from the Retro Hangover. Will he polish my lamp and will I get my wish? You can follow me on the following socials: Twitter: @retrowarsuk Instagram: retro_wars_podcast Tiktok: @retrowarsuk Retro Wars is now on YouTube doing regular top 7s. Subscribe here at - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjyOYGaq-DSB66GfIVqWmMA Please give the show a 5 star review to help it get shown to others. If you want to help the show financially, you can do at www.patreon.com/retrowars You get access to your own fortnightly show, DLC, our discord and can join in with all the show's features. 5% of the Patreon will go to the charity, Get Well Gamers. They are a UK charity who provides children's wards in 150 hospitals with consoles and games for the children to play. Their website can be found here - https://getwellgamers.org.uk/  If you would like to donate any games you can find out how to do this here - https://getwellgamers.org.uk/donate/donate-games/  Subscribe to our guest at Retro Hangover at https://retrohangover.captivate.fm/  Follow our artists - Slowspeed run's new channel - Doodle Lounge at https://www.youtube.com/c/SlowSpeedrun 
Join me on a magic carpet ride as we tackle a two part episode covering both versions of Disney's Aladdin. First up is the Super Nintendo released by Capcom. This week, I am joined by Sick Jake from the Press B to cancel podcast. Will the Super Nintendo be the diamond in the rough or should be forgotten completely.  You can follow me on the following socials: Twitter: @retrowarsuk Instagram: retro_wars_podcast Tiktok: @retrowarsuk Retro Wars is now on YouTube doing Retrospectives on a bunch of games. Subscribe here at - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjyOYGaq-DSB66GfIVqWmMA Please give the show a 5 star review to help it get shown to others. If you want to help the show financially, you can do at www.patreon.com/retrowars You get access to your own fortnightly show, DLC, our discord and can join in with all the show's features. 5% of the Patreon will go to the charity, Get Well Gamers. They are a UK charity who provides children's wards in 150 hospitals with consoles and games for the children to play. Their website can be found here - https://getwellgamers.org.uk/  If you would like to donate any games you can find out how to do this here - https://getwellgamers.org.uk/donate/donate-games/  My guest this week is Jake from the PressBtocancel podcast which you can listen to here - https://pressbtocancel.com/ Follow our artists - Slowspeed run's new channel - Doodle Lounge at https://www.youtube.com/c/SlowSpeedrun 
Episode 177 - Primal Rage

Episode 177 - Primal Rage

2025-08-0901:29:47

The Earth has fallen...and now is the time for ...Urth.....I know it is very stupid. This week we are talking about Dinosaurs and Monkeys fighting each other in Primal Rage. An arcade game from Midway that made its way to a host of home consoles. I played the Mega Drive version growing up and this week I am joined once again by Sam from The Retrotopia podcast. We end up exploding my heart in pain...I hope not! You can follow me on the following socials: Twitter: @retrowarsuk Instagram: retro_wars_podcast Tiktok: @retrowarsuk Retro Wars is now on YouTube doing Retrospectives on a bunch of games. Subscribe here at - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjyOYGaq-DSB66GfIVqWmMA Please give the show a 5 star review to help it get shown to others.       If you want to help the show financially, you can do at www.patreon.com/retrowars You get access to your own fortnightly show, DLC, our discord and can join in with all the show's features. 5% of the Patreon will go to the charity, Get Well Gamers. They are a UK charity who provides children's wards in 150 hospitals with consoles and games for the children to play. Their website can be found here - https://getwellgamers.org.uk/  If you would like to donate any games you can find out how to do this here - https://getwellgamers.org.uk/donate/donate-games/  Find Storm Beagle at Retrotopia at https://open.spotify.com/show/28A670UsEPZUszXmmMm7gA  Follow our artists - Slowspeed run's new channel - Doodle Lounge at https://www.youtube.com/c/SlowSpeedrun 
The kart racer that started it all, Super Mario Kart for the Super Nintendo. I did not get to play this too much growing up but thanks to the power of emulators I have played plenty. I go head to head with Capt N from the Retrotopia podcast to see who is king of the track. You can follow me on the following socials: Twitter: @retrowarsuk Instagram: retro_wars_podcast Tiktok: @retrowarsuk   Please give the show a 5 star review to help it get shown to others. If you want to help the show financially, you can do at www.patreon.com/retrowars You get access to your own fortnightly show, DLC, our discord and can join in with all the show's features. 5% of the Patreon will go to the charity, Get Well Gamers. They are a UK charity who provides children's wards in 150 hospitals with consoles and games for the children to play. Their website can be found here - https://getwellgamers.org.uk/  If you would like to donate any games you can find out how to do this here - https://getwellgamers.org.uk/donate/donate-games/  Find Captain N at Retrotopia at https://open.spotify.com/show/28A670UsEPZUszXmmMm7gA  Follow our artists - Slowspeed run's new channel - Doodle Lounge at https://www.youtube.com/c/SlowSpeedrun 
Gunstar Heroes. Often considered one of the best games for the Sega Mega Drive but shockingly one I had never played. Until now. This crazy anime inspired run and gun is bonkers from start to finish but does it still hold up? This week, I am joined by Raging Demon from the Kommand list podcast. If I ever travel to Perth, we are playing this together. Retro Wars is now on YouTube doing top 7 videos every three days. Subscribe here at - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjyOYGaq-DSB66GfIVqWmMA  You can follow me on the following socials: Twitter: @retrowarsuk Instagram: retro_wars_podcast Tiktok: @retrowarsuk Please give the show a 5 star review to help it get shown to others. If you want to help the show financially, you can do at www.patreon.com/retrowars You get access to your own fortnightly show, DLC, our discord and can join in with all the show's features. 5% of the Patreon will go to the charity, Get Well Gamers. They are a UK charity who provides children's wards in 150 hospitals with consoles and games for the children to play. Their website can be found here - https://getwellgamers.org.uk/  If you would like to donate any games you can find out how to do this here - https://getwellgamers.org.uk/donate/donate-games/  Subscribe to our guest at Raging Demon at - https://open.spotify.com/show/6fsiD2iRpLwNQsuXA696s4  Follow our artists - Slowspeed run's new channel - Doodle Lounge at https://www.youtube.com/c/SlowSpeedrun 
Time to fight for the Lylat System once again!!!! The previously unreleased Star Fox 2 was finally set free with the Super Nintendo Mini Classic. It was cancelled with the upcoming N64 even though it was nearly ready to go. Was it a mistake? Should we have had this released? It is time for me and Dave McG to find out!! You can follow me on the following socials: Twitter: @retrowarsuk Instagram: retro_wars_podcast Tiktok: @retrowarsuk Retro Wars is now on YouTube doing Retrospectives on a bunch of games. Subscribe here at - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjyOYGaq-DSB66GfIVqWmMA Please give the show a 5 star review to help it get shown to others. If you want to help the show financially, you can do at www.patreon.com/retrowars You get access to your own fortnightly show, DLC, our discord and can join in with all the show's features. 5% of the Patreon will go to the charity, Get Well Gamers. They are a UK charity who provides children's wards in 150 hospitals with consoles and games for the children to play. Their website can be found here - https://getwellgamers.org.uk/  If you would like to donate any games you can find out how to do this here - https://getwellgamers.org.uk/donate/donate-games/  Follow our artists - Slowspeed run's new channel - Doodle Lounge at https://www.youtube.com/c/SlowSpeedrun 
I head into the jungle to fight Dinosaurs with a bow and arrow...and laser gun. Turok - Dinosaur Hunter. A first person shooter with a very strange plot on the N64. Can myself and Richard Jago save the past, present and future. You can follow me on the following socials: Twitter: @retrowarsuk Instagram: retro_wars_podcast Tiktok: @retrowarsuk Retro Wars is now on YouTube doing Retrospectives on a bunch of games. Subscribe here at - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjyOYGaq-DSB66GfIVqWmMA Please give the show a 5 star review to help it get shown to others. If you want to help the show financially, you can do at www.patreon.com/retrowars You get access to your own fortnightly show, DLC, our discord and can join in with all the show's features. 5% of the Patreon will go to the charity, Get Well Gamers. They are a UK charity who provides children's wards in 150 hospitals with consoles and games for the children to play. Their website can be found here - https://getwellgamers.org.uk/  If you would like to donate any games you can find out how to do this here - https://getwellgamers.org.uk/donate/donate-games/  Follow our artists - Slowspeed run's new channel - Doodle Lounge at https://www.youtube.com/c/SlowSpeedrun 
Episode 172 - Phantasy Star

Episode 172 - Phantasy Star

2025-07-0201:23:19

Myself and Storm Beagle head into space where talk Phantasy Star. One of the most classic JRPGs on the Master System. I had played this as a kid but I was asked to revisit this and I put on my big boy pants and jumped right in. Joining me on this sapce adventure is Storm Beagle from the Retrotopia podcast. Will we get lost in the dungeon mazes? You can follow me on the following socials: Twitter: @retrowarsuk Instagram: retro_wars_podcast Tiktok: @retrowarsuk Retro Wars is now on YouTube doing Retrospectives on a bunch of games. Subscribe here at - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjyOYGaq-DSB66GfIVqWmMA Please give the show a 5 star review to help it get shown to others. If you want to help the show financially, you can do at www.patreon.com/retrowars You get access to your own fortnightly show, DLC, our discord and can join in with all the show's features. 5% of the Patreon will go to the charity, Get Well Gamers. They are a UK charity who provides children's wards in 150 hospitals with consoles and games for the children to play. Their website can be found here - https://getwellgamers.org.uk/  If you would like to donate any games you can find out how to do this here - https://getwellgamers.org.uk/donate/donate-games/  Find Storm Beagle at Retrotopia at https://open.spotify.com/show/28A670UsEPZUszXmmMm7gA  Follow our artists - Slowspeed run's new channel - Doodle Lounge at https://www.youtube.com/c/SlowSpeedrun 
Episode 171 - Ninja Gaiden

Episode 171 - Ninja Gaiden

2025-06-2601:34:56

It is time to tackle one of the hardest games on the NES, Ninja Gaiden and it's birds!!!!! Yes, I hate the birds so much in this game, you have to play it to believe it. This week I am joined by newcomer Tyger who I may have borrowed from another show. Retro Wars is now on YouTube doing top 7 videos every three days. Subscribe here at - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjyOYGaq-DSB66GfIVqWmMA  You can follow me on the following socials: Twitter: @retrowarsuk Instagram: retro_wars_podcast Tiktok: @retrowarsuk   Please give the show a 5 star review to help it get shown to others. If you want to help the show financially, you can do at www.patreon.com/retrowars You get access to your own fortnightly show, DLC, our discord and can join in with all the show's features. 5% of the Patreon will go to the charity, Get Well Gamers. They are a UK charity who provides children's wards in 150 hospitals with consoles and games for the children to play. Their website can be found here - https://getwellgamers.org.uk/  If you would like to donate any games you can find out how to do this here - https://getwellgamers.org.uk/donate/donate-games/  Follow our artists - Slowspeed run's new channel - Doodle Lounge at https://www.youtube.com/c/SlowSpeedrun 
Ding ding ding ding...the sound of the pinball machine...or in reality RUMBLE RUMBLE. This week we are playing Pokémon pinball for the game boy color. Pokemon fever was huge when this came out and for some reason they made a pinball game because....why not. This week, I am joined by Keegs and we do our best to try to catch them all. Retro Wars is now on YouTube doing top 7 videos every three days. Subscribe here at - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjyOYGaq-DSB66GfIVqWmMA  You can follow me on the following socials: Twitter: @retrowarsuk Instagram: retro_wars_podcast Tiktok: @retrowarsuk   Please give the show a 5 star review to help it get shown to others. If you want to help the show financially, you can do at www.patreon.com/retrowars You get access to your own fortnightly show, DLC, our discord and can join in with all the show's features. 5% of the Patreon will go to the charity, Get Well Gamers. They are a UK charity who provides children's wards in 150 hospitals with consoles and games for the children to play. Their website can be found here - https://getwellgamers.org.uk/  If you would like to donate any games you can find out how to do this here - https://getwellgamers.org.uk/donate/donate-games/  Follow our artists - Slowspeed run's new channel - Doodle Lounge at https://www.youtube.com/c/SlowSpeedrun 
Episode 169 - Tekken 5

Episode 169 - Tekken 5

2025-06-1201:25:30

The king of iron fist tournament is calling once more. We head back to the ring for Tekken 5 for the PS5, one of my favourite games for the system. Going to battle with me is Raging Demon from the Kommand list podcast. Time to FIGHT!!! Retro Wars is now on YouTube doing top 7 videos every three days. Subscribe here at - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjyOYGaq-DSB66GfIVqWmMA  You can follow me on the following socials: Twitter: @retrowarsuk Instagram: retro_wars_podcast Tiktok: @retrowarsuk   Please give the show a 5 star review to help it get shown to others. If you want to help the show financially, you can do at www.patreon.com/retrowars You get access to your own fortnightly show, DLC, our discord and can join in with all the show's features. 5% of the Patreon will go to the charity, Get Well Gamers. They are a UK charity who provides children's wards in 150 hospitals with consoles and games for the children to play. Their website can be found here - https://getwellgamers.org.uk/  If you would like to donate any games you can find out how to do this here - https://getwellgamers.org.uk/donate/donate-games/  Subscribe to our guest at Raging Demon at - https://open.spotify.com/show/6fsiD2iRpLwNQsuXA696s4  Follow our artists - Slowspeed run's new channel - Doodle Lounge at https://www.youtube.com/c/SlowSpeedrun 
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