SA Voices From the Field

If you’re searching for inspiration, wisdom, and a genuine look behind the scenes of student affairs, the latest episode of Student Affairs Voices from the Field is a must-listen. This unique episode features Dr. Matt Gregory (Texas Tech University) and Dr. Andy Morgan (Illinois State University)—two lifelong friends who started as undergraduate orientation leaders and now serve as senior student affairs officers at major public universities. Their candid conversation, hosted by Dr. Jill Creighton, brims with hard-earned lessons and reminders about what truly matters in higher ed leadership. The Power of Professional Friendship Matt and Andy’s journey together is a testament to the sustaining impact of having trusted peers in student affairs. They first connected as student leaders at Southern Illinois University in the early 90s, and even as their careers took them to different institutions and roles, their friendship became a sounding board through every professional triumph and challenge. Their story highlights how vital it is to have a confidante outside your own campus—someone who understands the pressures of the job, offers honest feedback, and helps keep your feet on the ground. Authenticity in Leadership A recurring theme in the episode is the importance of authenticity, especially when pursuing leadership roles. Both Matt and Andy recall instances of competing for the same position but emphasized that being true to themselves—not just chasing titles—was key to personal success and lasting friendship. Their advice? Let your genuine self shine through at every stage of your career journey, and remember that every search process is an opportunity to learn and grow, regardless of the outcome. Evolving Student Affairs in a Changing Landscape Listeners will also appreciate the episode’s examination of current challenges in student affairs: from navigating volatile policy environments and advancing staff compensation, to advocating for student engagement in a post-pandemic world. Both guests speak to the increasing synergy between student and academic affairs, the need for robust data to demonstrate impact, and practical strategies for supporting staff well-being. Despite pressures and shifting expectations, Matt and Andy’s passion for student success and commitment to inclusive, student-centered leadership truly shines. Why You Should Listen Whether you’re new to the field or a seasoned professional, this episode offers not just career advice, but heartwarming stories, candid reflections, and practical strategies you can apply right away. Tune in to be reminded of the enduring value of mentorship, honest connection, and the purpose that brings us to the field in the first place. Listen now, and let Matt and Andy’s journey encourage and energize your own path in student affairs.  

In the latest episode of Student Affairs Voices from the Field, host Dr. Jill Creighton sits down with Dr. Niah Grimes and Dr. Nadeeka Karunaratne, two of the three authors behind the ground-breaking new book, Thinking Like an Abolitionist to End Sexual Violence in Higher Education. This episode dives deep into not just the book, but the lived experiences, philosophies, and activism shaping how we address sexual violence on college campuses today. The conversation is rich, personal, and thought-provoking from the outset. Both Dr. Grimes and Dr. Karunaratne share their journeys into higher education and research, rooted deeply in addressing systems of violence, healing, and examining the needs of minoritized students. Their experiences as scholar-practitioners and their commitment to transformative justice is palpable throughout the discussion. At the heart of the conversation is the bold theme of “abolitionist thinking.” Rather than viewing abolition solely as dismantling harmful systems, the authors draw on the work of Ruth Wilson Gilmore and others to frame abolition as the presence of care, community, and healing. They challenge the carceral and compliance-driven frameworks that have dominated Title IX and other campus responses while calling for practices that actually meet the needs of survivors and communities—not just adhere to federal mandates. Dr. Grimes highlights how compliance cultures, rooted in white supremacy, often stifle creativity and community, leading to approaches where “business as usual” takes precedence over true prevention and healing. Dr. Karunaratne adds the importance of local, grassroots efforts and "1,000,000 experiments"—encouraging institutions and individuals to try new approaches, fail, learn, and grow together. Throughout, both assert the transformative power of centering healing—for survivors and for communities as a whole. Perhaps most refreshing is the authors’ call for those in higher education to move beyond compliance as the ceiling of their work, to instead use it as the bare minimum "floor" from which innovation, accountability, and holistic care can grow. They urge practitioners to honor their own strengths, invest in their healing and that of students, and build community from the ground up. If you are a student affairs professional, educator, or simply care about safer and more just campuses, this episode will challenge and inspire you. Listen now to hear new perspectives on building communities where all students can thrive beyond the constraints of the current system. Listen to the episode and rethink how we approach prevention, healing, and justice in higher education. Your campus could be the next place where abolitionist thinking takes root. TRANSCRIPT Dr. Jill Creighton [00:00:01]: Welcome to Student Affairs Voices from the Field, the podcast where we share your student affairs stories from fresh perspectives to seasoned experts. Brought to you by NASPA, we curate free and accessible professional development for higher ed professionals wherever you happen to be. This is season 12, continuing our journey through the past, present, and future of student affairs. I'm Dr. Jill Creighton, she, her, hers, your essay voices from the field host. Welcome back to another episode of essay Voices from the Field, where today we're featuring two of three authors of a brand new book, Thinking Like an Abolitionist to End Sexual Violence in Higher Education. Our first guest is Dr. Niah S. Grimes, who received her doctorate from the University of Georgia in Education with an emphasis in College Student Affairs Administration with a certificate in Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion. Dr. Jill Creighton [00:00:48]: Dr. Grimes was the recipient of the Mary Frances Early College of Education's Research Award and spent her tenure at the University of Georgia investigating campus sexual violence and systems of domination to begin eradicating violence and oppression from higher education. As an assistant professor in the Higher Education and Student Affairs program in the Department of Advanced Studies Leadership and Policy, Dr. Grimes focuses her scholarship and teaching on spirituality and healing, examining the experiences of people on campus with multiple minoritized identities, and eradicating violence and systems of oppression in higher education and beyond. Our second guest is Dr. Nadeeka Karunaratne, and she's a postdoctoral research associate in the McCluskey Center for Violence Prevention at the University of Utah. In her research, she employs power conscious frameworks to understand issues of sexual violence in higher education, focusing on interrupting harm and promoting healing for minoritized survivors. Nadeeka's background in student affairs, specifically her work in campus cultural centers and with university violence prevention efforts, influences her scholarship and teaching. Dr. Jill Creighton [00:01:48]: She's also a trauma informed yoga instructor programs on college campuses and in the community. Welcome to SA Voices, Niah. Dr. Niah Grimes [00:01:56]: Hi. My name is Niah Grimes. Welcome. I'm happy to be here. Dr. Jill Creighton [00:01:59]: And Nadeeka, welcome. Dr. Nadeeka Karunaratne [00:02:01]: Hi. Thanks for having me. Dr. Jill Creighton [00:02:03]: We've got a coast to coast situation today with Naya coming to us from Maryland and Nadeeka coming to us from California. So I'm very glad we were able to make the time zones work out to have this very rich dialogue ahead. We're talking about your book today, which we'll get into in a moment. But before we do that, we always love to start our show by getting to know our guests and how you got to your current seat. So Naya, let's start with you. How did you become an assistant professor? Dr. Niah Grimes [00:02:26]: Wow. How to sum up such a long journey? I never really saw myself in this role at all. I I actually even in getting the college, I was first gen. I wasn't even considering that, like, the professors teaching me that that was a job available to me. And then at the time, I was at George Mason. They were in r two on the road to r one. So they had a ton of funding that they were pouring into undergraduate research. So I never thought about research, but my professors saw something in me just in my criticality, I think. Dr. Niah Grimes [00:02:59]: And I'm really just a problem solver, like, I like to solve problems. And so I was studying sociology, equity, and social change, and my professors were pushing me into research. So I was able to start taking qualitative research classes at the undergraduate level. I had an honors thesis where I did a qualitative dissertation level of work, but I interviewed 12 people, men specifically around their experiences retrospectively in high school, how they were taught to learn about sex. There was so much in the literature then almost blaming women for unintended pregnancy. And I'm like, where is the other perspective? And, you know, this is such a larger issue. So that's where I started my work in research, but I didn't believe in the power of research. I felt like we were doing all of this good work, but it wasn't reaching the people I cared about, my community members. Dr. Niah Grimes [00:03:51]: And so I started to do work more in the community, and I got into mental health counseling. I was doing work with survivors of violence, domestic violence, partner violence, neglected, unhoused youth, and I was working on the suicide switchboard nationally. And I recognized early on that, like, for some reason, I had a capacity to handle some of the harder things. And I leaned into that. One of my supervisors was a counselor, and I admired the relationship she built with the people we were serving. And I was like, I wanna do that. I feel like that's where my time should be spent. So I spent all this time getting a counseling degree, and I ended up counseling mostly in student affairs because I really loved undergraduate students, students in that before 25, the brain fully closed, like, area. Dr. Niah Grimes [00:04:42]: They just were so open to change and transformation. And as a transdisciplinary scholar, that is what sort of, like, ignites me is where can we make the most transformation towards healing so that people can meet their needs, so that people can live wholly. And from that work, I realized in working mostly with marginalized students, it wasn't them. It was systemic. And so I was like, okay. So now I need to generate power to really try to change structures and culture and community. And the best way that me personally with the identities that I hold to do that, not having any generational wealth, was to go back and get a PhD. So that's how I ended up at UGA with Chris Linder, and it's all really synchronous. Dr. Niah Grimes [00:05:29]: Right? Because without all of these things along the way, I would have never met doctor Linder. Through Chris is how I met Nadeeka through the Spencer. We did a symposium through Spencer together around sexual violence. And doctor Linder was really like, you have the capacity to really do assistant professor tenure track work. And, again, I I was like, well, I think I really need to practice. At the same time, my disability was getting worse and worse. So I was like, okay. I think that this is really spiritual and that, you know, I can try to work and be disabled. Dr. Niah Grimes [00:06:04]: It's still challenging, but still do transformative, like, transdisciplinary, equitable work that I love. So that's how I ended up here. Specifically, I work at Morgan State University, which is a HBCU in Baltimore, and I just think that I'm primed for that institutional type. Like, I love how authentic I get to be in my work. Dr. Jill Creighton [00:06:23]: Thank you for sharing that journey with us, Naya. You referenced doctor Chris Linder, who is the other author on the book. So we're glad to get two or three of you today. Again, we'll talk ab

In the most recent episode of Student Affairs Voices from the Field, recorded at the 2024 NASPA Annual Conference in New Orleans, host Dr. Jill Creighton invites us into a vibrant tapestry of real stories from practitioners at every level of higher education. The episode centers around a powerful question: Can you share a moment or experience in student affairs that you feel embodies the spirit of this profession? The result is a chorus of voices revealing the deep, often unseen impact student affairs professionals have on their campuses and on each other. From directors and deans to graduate students just starting their journey, one theme rings clear: student affairs is about people. Stories of mentorship, community, and personal growth abound. Many professionals recounted full-circle moments—guiding undergraduates, only to see them return years later as colleagues or even scholars in the field. Listening in, you’ll hear how those simple, day-to-day interactions—a word of encouragement, honest conversation, or helping hand in crisis—can change a student’s path or even their life. Community and connection surface as vital throughlines. The NASPA conference itself becomes a symbol—a place where hugs, laughter, and candid discussions help professionals recharge, collaborate, and remember why this work matters. There’s a raw honesty, too: several speakers acknowledge the unique challenges facing higher education today. Yet, in the face of adversity, they highlight the unwavering spirit of resilience, support, and advocacy that defines student affairs. Listeners will also appreciate the emphasis on equity, inclusion, and the holistic development of students. Whether it’s empowering first-generation scholars, supporting students in crisis, or building bridges across functional areas, the profession’s commitment to fostering belonging and success shines bright. What elevates this episode is its authenticity. These are not scripted testimonials: they're person-on-the-street interviews, each voice echoing with genuine passion and care—for students and for one another. It’s an episode that will remind you of your “why,” whether you’re a new grad or a seasoned pro. If you’re seeking inspiration, camaraderie, or simply a reminder of the everyday magic in student affairs, tune in to this episode. It’s a celebration of the profession’s heart—and a call to keep showing up, for our students and for each other. Listen now and let these stories rejuvenate your passion for student affairs! TRANSCRIPT Dr. Jill Creighton [00:00:01]: Welcome to Student Affairs Voices from the Field, the podcast where we share your student affairs stories from fresh perspectives to seasoned experts. Brought to you by NASPA, we curate free and accessible professional development for higher ed professionals wherever you happen to be. This is season 12, continuing our journey through the past, present, and future of student affairs. I'm doctor Jill Creighton, she, her, hers, your essay voices from the field host. Hey, SA voices. We are back with our third and final episode from this year's annual conference. This is our third person on the street style interview, and we're so thankful for those of you who chose to share your voice with us. Today's question was on theme three, which was sustaining and celebrating the student affairs profession. Dr. Jill Creighton [00:00:44]: We asked you, can you share a moment or experience in student affairs that you feel embodies the spirit of this profession? Once again, thank you so much if you shared your voice with us today. And for those of you who are unable to attend annual conference, we hope that these three episodes plus our three interviews from the conference gave you a bit of a taste of what was going on, in New Orleans. And if you were at the conference, we hope that this reenergizes you and brings you some of that joy and passion that we get when we are able to be together in community. Thanks so much, and enjoy your conversations. Eileen Hentz [00:01:14]: Hello. My name is Eileen Hentz. I am the program director of academic and student services at the University of Maryland Department of Aerospace Engineering celebrating sustaining student affairs profession. I think a moment that I can remember that I feel embodies the spirit of the profession is just through mentoring. I remember meeting a student their very first semester as a first year student and not knowing they'd had no idea what they wanted to do or where they wanted to go. And I'm kind of working with them all throughout their time as an undergraduate student. And at some point, they kind of recognized that they wanted to do something that I did. They wanted to go into student affairs, and now they have gone through both their master's program. Eileen Hentz [00:01:50]: They have really done a fantastic job with their work, and they're now even a PhD student going all the way through with their PhD in student affairs. And we have been in contact every single moment of the way, and I'm really proud of them. And they've, you know, of course, said thank you to me for helping them find their way professionally, but I really, really put a lot of things in them because they are exactly what helps make me feel passionate and excited about doing the work that we do. We're certainly a team in student affairs. Dr. Alyssa Bivens [00:02:23]: Hi. I'm doctor Alyssa Bivens. I'm representing George Mason University. I'm in their very new graduate division as a graduate career and professional development program coordinator. I'm still pretty new to the profession, but in working with some of my graduate professional assistants, seeing them improve on something that I've mentored them in and and seeing actual growth, I think, is one of the one of the reasons we do this, is seeing that incremental growth in the students around us. Amerette Renieri [00:02:54]: I'm Anurant Ranieri. I'm from Texas A and M University in College Station, Texas. I am currently serve as the associate director of career services for Mays Business School. This is one's a hard one. I've been in the profession now for almost twelve years, and I think, honestly, NASPA has really brought me a lot of joy because I've been able to connect with professionals from all over the all over the, like, country and really finding a space where while I work in career services, I very much identify as a student affairs practitioner in a career services space. Whereas a lot of career services people identify more on the career services side, but I very much view my job as a student affairs educator in a career services world. Amy Law [00:03:34]: Hello. My name is Amy Law. I am a GAP from the graduate associate program with NASPA. I am from California. I currently attend the University of Southern California for my degree in post secondary administration and student affairs with my master's program. I actually, like, just ran into my undergraduate student affairs mentorship team with enough program with NASPA here at the NASPA annual conference. And I had not seen them since undergrad, but I got into the field of student affairs in undergrad. And so now as a master's student, being here as a annual conference intern, being in this space as a graduate associate as well, it is such so full circle to see the people that contributed to where I am standing here today in this role. Amy Law [00:04:23]: And I feel like that is what embodies this profession so much because this profession has so much mentorship, so much guidance and support that we don't even realize it until you're standing in this position looking at the people who who had a hand in bringing you here today. Angela Watts [00:04:39]: Angela Watts, the University of Texas Health Science Center in San Antonio School of Nursing. I'm the director for student success. This may be not a very original answer, but for me, commencement is always one of those moments where I am not only proud of the students, but I feel rejuvenated. And because oftentimes, you know the struggles that students have gone through to be able to make it to the point where they're crossing that stage. I mean, you see their families and their friends so excited for them. And so I think that those are moments where I feel like my work has made a difference in someone's life. And not only in their lives, but often in their family's lives and the trajectory of future generations of their families. James Quisenberry [00:05:21]: Asia Jones, associate director at the National Association for Student Affairs Professionals, AKA NASPA. My defining moment in my experience in student affairs was when I came to NASPA. Working on college campuses for the last ten years was great. And I was worried when I first came because I was such a student friendly person. Like, how was I gonna be able to do that work and not be in the face of students? And what defined me is to see that I can do this work, and I'm doing it at a greater and broader level that flows down to the students that create retention and graduation programs for students to be able to excel. And so that has really helped define me that no matter where I go in student affairs, I can find my mission and get it done. Dr. Bernard Little [00:06:07]: I'm doctor Bernard Little, vice president for student affairs at Prairie State College. A moment or experience in in student affairs that embodies the spirit of this profession, I would say one of the best experiences that I've had is attending the new VPSA Institute. And coming from a community college, I was a little nervous about, right, what that would be for me, given I was in the room with some heavy hitters. And it was truly a remarkable experience because I was embraced and was able to really lean into professionals who were not only feeding me, but also learning from me as well. And I think that's just really what student affairs is about. It's just not about the show, really about

In the latest episode of "Student Affairs Voices from the Field," listeners are treated to an energetic collection of perspectives straight from the annual NASPA conference. This dynamic, "person on the street" episode—hosted by Dr. Jill Creighton—dives into a pressing topic: How can we better leverage technology to meet the evolving needs of students in higher education? What stands out most from these conversations is the profession’s willingness to lean into change, rather than shy away from it. From associate vice presidents to graduate students, professionals across the nation acknowledge that technology—and especially artificial intelligence (AI)—is reshaping student affairs. As Dr. Eddie Martinez puts it, “The bus has left the station … we need to play catch up.” There’s consensus: AI isn’t just a trend. It’s a powerful tool that can streamline administrative tasks, enhance communication, and free up time for the real heart of student affairs—the human connection. But it’s not all enthusiasm and optimism. Many professionals, like Eileen Hentz and Dr. Bernard Little, admit to their initial hesitation and the need for continual learning. The episode encourages honesty about where we’re starting from, and models what it means to be a lifelong learner in higher ed. Just as importantly, ethical use, intentionality, and a focus on access are recognized as essential values as we navigate these new tools. Students themselves are often ahead of the curve, pushing their institutions to integrate technology in ways that feel intuitive and relevant. Yet, as several speakers caution, “simple is better.” Too many platforms can overwhelm students, so thoughtful integration—rather than chasing every shiny new thing—is crucial. Streamlining platforms, as Dr. Will Simpkins urges, helps ensure technology truly empowers rather than confuses our campus communities. This episode is a masterclass in collective wisdom: you’ll hear voices championing data-driven decisions, advocating for AI workshops, and urging a balance between technological innovation and the irreplaceable human touch. The themes are clear—embrace change, keep learning, focus on ethical and efficient solutions, and never lose sight of the student experience. Tune in to hear these fresh perspectives and discover actionable insights that you can bring back to your own work. Whether you’re tech-savvy or just starting your journey, you’ll leave inspired to reimagine how technology can support both you and your students. Listen now and join the conversation! TRANSCRIPT Dr. Jill Creighton [00:00:01]: Welcome to Student Affairs Voices from the Field, the podcast where we share your student affairs stories from fresh perspectives to seasoned experts. Brought to you by NASPA, we curate free and accessible professional development for higher ed professionals wherever you happen to be. This is season 12, continuing our journey through the past, present, and future of student affairs. I'm doctor Jill Creighton, she, her, hers, your essay Voices from the Field host. Welcome back to Student Affairs Voices from the Field. We're here with our three conference episodes that feature your voices. Chris and I were able to move about the conference and connected with over 60 of you who shared your thoughts on the three conference themes. We asked you each one question on each theme, and we're going to be bringing you one episode per question. Dr. Jill Creighton [00:00:46]: So today's question will be on theme one, which was well-being and healthy excellence in student affairs. Next week, we'll be bringing you theme two in changing the student affairs profession, and then finally, theme three, which is sustaining and celebrating the student affairs profession. Today's question was, how can student affairs professionals model healthy excellence in their own lives and institutional cultures while supporting students' well-being? If you joined us, thank you so much for sharing your voice, and we hope that you enjoy hearing from your colleagues and peers. Eileen Hentz [00:01:15]: Hello. My name is Eileen Hence. I am the program director of academic and student services at the University of Maryland Department of Aerospace Engineering. Do as I say, not as I do, because I am not I will admit that I am not the best at modeling healthy excellence in my own life, but I really truly believe it's important to do so by having a healthy work life balance and making sure you remember your priorities and trying your best to ensure that you don't lose yourself in your work. I think that's something that I need to do more of, is remembering that I do have an important life outside of work, and it is okay to say no, and it is okay to set boundaries on our time, and still pour as much of our heart and soul into our jobs as possible during the times we should be working and when we should not be working to make sure that we take that time for ourselves and not feel guilty about it. Dr. Alyssa Bivens [00:02:07]: Hi. I'm doctor Alyssa Bivens. I'm representing George Mason University. I'm in their very new graduate division as a graduate career and professional development program coordinator. I think one of the ways that student affairs professionals that we can model healthy excellence in our own lives and institutional cultures is really trying to be the people that we want our students to be. So for example, I work with a lot of graduate professional assistants, and I try to model professional behaviors both with them, treating them how I wanna be treated, and also showing them good work and professionalization skills from organization to just general things that will help them moving forward in life so that they have a model that they can potentially look towards. I try to be, not always. Anurant Ranieri [00:02:53]: I'm Anurant Ranieri. I'm from Texas A and M University in College Station, Texas. I am currently serve as the associate director of career services for Mays Business School. I think showcasing balance of, like, walking the walk and talking the talk. Right? Like, that's really an important aspect of student affairs that sometimes we don't do. We we tell students to take care of themselves, but we're not always taking care of our own selves. And so making sure that we take the advice that we give students most of the time. I know I'm really bad about that, but I sometimes will be, like, check myself and be, like, oh, right. Anurant Ranieri [00:03:26]: What I would tell a student in this moment, I need to tell myself I need Mimi Benjamin [00:03:29]: to get more sleep or I need to do this thing. Anurant Ranieri [00:03:30]: And so I think that's really important. Amy Law [00:03:34]: Hello. My name is Amy Law. I am a GAP from the graduate associate program with NASPA. I am from California. I currently attend the University of Southern California for my degree in post secondary administration and student affairs with my master's program. Especially as student affairs professionals, I feel like we can really model healthy excellence in our own lives and even contribute to that institutional culture by being student facing even as we go into higher levels that are not so student facing. I think maintaining a level of student support and student advisory, like, committees even and leveraging, like, student voices is definitely a perfect way to model healthy excellence because students know best what they need and students know best how to advocate for themselves. And if you are not, you know, in a point where you're at least, like, reaching out or asking them how they need the support, I feel like it's a little bit hard to understand them in that way. Amy Law [00:04:38]: So always making sure that you have another set of eyes, whether it's from a group of students or even just one student, will make such a big difference. Angela Watts [00:04:50]: Angela Watts, the University of Texas Health Science Center in San Antonio School Of Nursing. I'm the director for student success. I think that student affairs professionals can model healthy excellence in their own lives by really small ways in our day to day lives. Simple things like not eating lunch at your desk, taking that time away to rejuvenate during that hour and and really just modeling the behavior that we encourage in our students. When you take time off from work, actually disconnecting as much as possible and just really demonstrating for them how to have as much balance as possible even though we all know that it's impossible to be completely balanced with work life, but just demonstrating as much as possible the healthy behaviors that we encourage in our students. Asia Jones [00:05:39]: Asia Jones, associate director at the National Association for Student Affairs Professionals, AKA NASBA. So I believe one of the ways that we model healthy excellence is resting. Rest is resistance. So many years in student affairs, we've thought we've had to work sixteen and seventeen hour days to get things done. And the way we model in our own lives that healthy excellence is knowing when to take breaks, knowing when to rest, and setting boundaries around that to be able to still get the work done. But if we don't have any rest or any sleep, then we're doing things on a not even a half empty cup, like, maybe three fourths of a cup, and that's not working anymore. And so we've gotta find different ways to to set up boundaries so that within ourselves so that we can be the best to other people. Dr. Bernard Little [00:06:27]: I'm doctor Bernard Little, vice president for student affairs at Prairie State College. I think that one way that we can model healthy excellence in our own lives is being honest about our truths and what we experience. When I took on vice president for student affairs role, I also started therapy, my therapy journey, and it has really enhanced my life both personally and professionally. And I've been open and honest about that wit

Student affairs is a profession built on the foundation of supporting others—walking alongside students as they navigate challenges, pursue growth, and build their futures. But as highlighted in the latest episode of Student Affairs Voices from the Field, modeling “healthy excellence” goes beyond what we say. It’s about what we do, how we set boundaries, and the ways we show up for ourselves and each other. So what does healthy excellence look like in practice? The episode features over 60 voices—new professionals, seasoned leaders, and everyone in between—offering authentic, actionable reflections on how we can care for ourselves while nurturing student wellbeing. A recurring theme is the importance of role modeling. As Eileen Hentz notes, we need to set boundaries, carve out “off” time, and not feel guilty for prioritizing ourselves. This was echoed by many who admitted that while we tell students to take care of themselves, we often fail to follow our own advice. But it’s about more than just taking a lunch or using vacation days. Dr. Bernard Little opened up about seeking therapy and the positive ripple effect it had on his staff. Others, like Camden Doolittle, spoke to the importance of authenticity, especially in representing marginalized identities—showing up as your whole self is, in itself, an act of healthy excellence. Several speakers detailed the need to challenge institutional norms. From rethinking the “ideal worker” who is always on-call, to advocating for organizational culture shifts, this episode calls on student affairs divisions and leadership to normalize work-life boundaries (and yes, actually unplugging at the end of the day). There’s also an emphasis on being transparent with students about our own challenges and the strategies we use to navigate them. As Jamie Haney and others shared, letting students know we are human too makes space for honest conversations about balance, imperfection, and resilience. Most importantly, the episode reminds us that caring for ourselves is not selfish. As the expression goes, “You can’t pour from an empty cup.” By prioritizing our health—mental, emotional, and physical—we become better mentors, leaders, and advocates for our students. If you’re looking for practical inspiration and validation from colleagues across the country, this episode is a must-listen. Tune in for real talk and real strategies that can help you and your institution make sustainable, healthy excellence a reality. Catch the episode and join the conversation on nurturing well-being in student affairs—because thriving professionals create thriving campuses. TRANSCRIPT Dr. Jill Creighton [00:00:01]: Welcome to Student Affairs Voices from the Field, the podcast where we share your student affairs stories from fresh perspectives to seasoned experts. Brought to you by NASPA, we curate free and accessible professional development for higher ed professionals wherever you happen to be. This is season 12, continuing our journey through the past, present, and future of student affairs. I'm doctor Jill Creighton, she, her, hers, your essay Voices from the Field host. Welcome back to Student Affairs Voices from the Field. We're here with our three conference episodes that feature your voices. Chris and I were able to move about the conference and connected with over 60 of you who shared your thoughts on the three conference themes. We asked you each one question on each theme, and we're going to be bringing you one episode per question. Dr. Jill Creighton [00:00:46]: So today's question will be on theme one, which was well-being and healthy excellence in student affairs. Next week, we'll be bringing you theme two in changing the student affairs profession, and then finally, theme three, which is sustaining and celebrating the student affairs profession. Today's question was, how can student affairs professionals model healthy excellence in their own lives and institutional cultures while supporting students' well-being? If you joined us, thank you so much for sharing your voice, and we hope that you enjoy hearing from your colleagues and peers. Eileen Hentz [00:01:15]: Hello. My name is Eileen Hence. I am the program director of academic and student services at the University of Maryland Department of Aerospace Engineering. Do as I say, not as I do, because I am not I will admit that I am not the best at modeling healthy excellence in my own life, but I really truly believe it's important to do so by having a healthy work life balance and making sure you remember your priorities and trying your best to ensure that you don't lose yourself in your work. I think that's something that I need to do more of, is remembering that I do have an important life outside of work, and it is okay to say no, and it is okay to set boundaries on our time, and still pour as much of our heart and soul into our jobs as possible during the times we should be working and when we should not be working to make sure that we take that time for ourselves and not feel guilty about it. Dr. Alyssa Bivens [00:02:07]: Hi. I'm doctor Alyssa Bivens. I'm representing George Mason University. I'm in their very new graduate division as a graduate career and professional development program coordinator. I think one of the ways that student affairs professionals that we can model healthy excellence in our own lives and institutional cultures is really trying to be the people that we want our students to be. So for example, I work with a lot of graduate professional assistants, and I try to model professional behaviors both with them, treating them how I wanna be treated, and also showing them good work and professionalization skills from organization to just general things that will help them moving forward in life so that they have a model that they can potentially look towards. I try to be, not always. Amerette Ranieri [00:02:53]: I'm Amerette Ranieri. I'm from Texas A and M University in College Station, Texas. I am currently serve as the associate director of career services for Mays Business School. I think showcasing balance of, like, walking the walk and talking the talk. Right? Like, that's really an important aspect of student affairs that sometimes we don't do. We we tell students to take care of themselves, but we're not always taking care of our own selves. And so making sure that we take the advice that we give students most of the time. I know I'm really bad about that, but I sometimes will be, like, check myself and be, like, oh, right. What I would tell a student in this moment, I need to tell myself I need to get more sleep or I need to do this thing. And so I think that's really important. Amy Law [00:03:34]: Hello. My name is Amy Law. I am a GAP from the graduate associate program with NASPA. I am from California. I currently attend the University of Southern California for my degree in post secondary administration and student affairs with my master's program. Especially as student affairs professionals, I feel like we can really model healthy excellence in our own lives and even contribute to that institutional culture by being student facing even as we go into higher levels that are not so student facing. I think maintaining a level of student support and student advisory, like, committees even and leveraging, like, student voices is definitely a perfect way to model healthy excellence because students know best what they need and students know best how to advocate for themselves. And if you are not, you know, in a point where you're at least, like, reaching out or asking them how they need the support, I feel like it's a little bit hard to understand them in that way. Amy Law [00:04:38]: So always making sure that you have another set of eyes, whether it's from a group of students or even just one student, will make such a big difference. Angela Watts [00:04:50]: Angela Watts, the University of Texas Health Science Center in San Antonio School Of Nursing. I'm the director for student success. I think that student affairs professionals can model healthy excellence in their own lives by really small ways in our day to day lives. Simple things like not eating lunch at your desk, taking that time away to rejuvenate during that hour and and really just modeling the behavior that we encourage in our students. When you take time off from work, actually disconnecting as much as possible and just really demonstrating for them how to have as much balance as possible even though we all know that it's impossible to be completely balanced with work life, but just demonstrating as much as possible the healthy behaviors that we encourage in our students. Asia Jones [00:05:39]: Asia Jones, associate director at the National Association for Student Affairs Professionals, AKA NASBA. So I believe one of the ways that we model healthy excellence is resting. Rest is resistance. So many years in student affairs, we've thought we've had to work sixteen and seventeen hour days to get things done. And the way we model in our own lives that healthy excellence is knowing when to take breaks, knowing when to rest, and setting boundaries around that to be able to still get the work done. But if we don't have any rest or any sleep, then we're doing things on a not even a half empty cup, like, maybe three fourths of a cup, and that's not working anymore. And so we've gotta find different ways to to set up boundaries so that within ourselves so that we can be the best to other people. Dr. Bernard Little [00:06:27]: I'm doctor Bernard Little, vice president for student affairs at Prairie State College. I think that one way that we can model healthy excellence in our own lives is being honest about our truths and what we experience. When I took on vice president for student affairs role, I also started therapy, my therapy journey, and it has really enhanced my life both personally and professionally. And I've been open and honest about that with

  The latest episode of Student Affairs Voices from the Field is not only a must-listen for higher education professionals but a rich resource for anyone seeking insight into the dynamic landscape of student affairs. Dr. Jill Creighton hosts a thoughtful conversation with Dr. Amelia Parnell, the new president and CEO of NASPA, as she reflects on her journey, the evolving challenges facing the profession, and her vision for the organization and the field. Leadership Through Uncertainty One of the strongest themes of the episode is leadership amidst change and uncertainty. Dr. Parnell candidly discusses stepping into her presidential role during a significant period of transition—mirroring the larger flux happening across higher education. She emphasizes the importance of staying calm, understanding the complexities of policy shifts, and making informed decisions, especially as national and state regulations impact campuses at breakneck speed. The Power of Community Dr. Parnell’s gratitude for the NASPA community—its staff, members, and peer associations—shines through. Her message is clear: while the challenges ahead are real and substantial, the strength of student affairs lies in its collaborative spirit and supportive networks. She notes that community isn’t just a buzzword. Whether through regional conferences, association partnerships, or simply reaching out to colleagues, being “in it together” makes turbulent times more bearable and productive. Value and Impact of Student Affairs A recurring point throughout the episode is the critical need to showcase the impact of student affairs, not just in crisis management or engagement, but as facilitators of student learning and success. Dr. Parnell calls for professionals to embrace data, tell their stories, and make a compelling case for the essential role they play across campuses nationwide. She encourages the field to move beyond simply surviving and towards thriving, both individually and institutionally. Looking Ahead Perhaps most inspiring, Dr. Parnell expresses optimism for the future. She predicts ongoing difficulty but also emphasizes resilience, adaptability, and the vibrancy of the student affairs profession. Her practical advice—utilize new NASPA resources, invest in community, focus on continuous learning, and center the student experience—resonates deeply. Tune In for Insight and Inspiration If you’re searching for honest dialogue and encouragement amidst challenging times, this episode is essential listening. Dr. Parnell’s warmth, expertise, and hopefulness will leave you feeling empowered and connected—ready to support your campus and each other as the field forges ahead. Listen to the full conversation and join the ongoing journey with the NASPA community. Your work and your voice matter—now more than ever.   TRANSCRIPT Dr. Jill Creighton [00:00:01]: Welcome to Student Affairs Voices from the Field, the podcast where we share your student affairs stories from fresh perspectives to seasoned experts. Brought to you by NASPA, we curate free and accessible professional development for higher ed professionals wherever you happen to be. This is season 12, continuing our journey through the past, present, and future of student affairs. I'm doctor Jill Creighton, sheherhers, your essay voices from the field host. Today on essay voices, I'm so pleased to bring you a conversation with doctor Amelia Parnell, our first on the podcast with her in her new role as president of NASPA. We've had doctor Parnell on before in her prior role at NASPA as the VP for research and policy, and I really loved getting to hear her vision for the organization, where we're going as an association. And if you weren't able to attend the annual conference, she also follows up on some of her remarks and her keynote speech. So this is not one to miss. Dr. Jill Creighton [00:00:53]: We're so glad that Amelia was able to make the time to come on the show. A little bit more about Amelia. Doctor Parnell is an accomplished higher ed leader and executive and an internationally recognized thought leader regarding current issues and emerging trends in the field. She's a passionate advocate for higher education as a tool for personal advancement and impact, and she seeks opportunities to partner with organizations and individuals who share her sincere commitment to centering students' needs. In her prior role as VP for research and policy at NASPA, she led many of the association's scholarly and advocacy focused activities and fostered partnerships with college administrators, researchers, grantmakers, and other higher ed professionals. As a frequent keynote speaker at national and regional conferences, Amelia presents on topics related to higher ed, student affairs, college affordability, student learning outcomes, and institutions' use of data and analytics. She's been quoted in The Wall Street Journal, The Chronicle of Higher Education, Inside Higher Ed, and the PBS NewsHour. Amelia recently completed four years of service on the board of directors for EDUCAUSE, where she was the chair of the finance and investment committee and the audit committee. Dr. Jill Creighton [00:01:55]: She's also the past chair of the Higher Education Equity Network or HEEN, a collective impact network representing more than 25 organizations at the forefront of addressing a racial equity in higher ed. Amelia enjoys opportunities to teach, and she's energized by making complex concepts easy to understand. She's had enriching engagements with students and peers as an adjunct instructor and lecturer, and she's the author of the book, You Are a Data Person, which she wrote to encourage all higher education professionals to discover and embrace their unique data identity. Amelia holds her PhD in higher education from Florida State University and master's and bachelor's degrees in business administration from Florida A and M University. Amelia, welcome back to SA Voices. Dr. Amelia Parnell [00:02:35]: Thank you very much for having me. Dr. Jill Creighton [00:02:36]: And we're recording just about two weeks post annual conference. It was lovely to see you in person and living in your element and leading a marching band from opening to Mardi Gras World and welcoming all of us to New Orleans. So we're thrilled to introduce you as NASPA president and CEO for the first time. In the past, we've had you on as VP of policy and research. So as we typically do, we love to open our show by asking you, how did you get to your current seat? Dr. Amelia Parnell [00:03:03]: Well, I should tell you that I got a similar question yesterday in an interview with someone who asked if I'd always knew I wanted to work in associations. And I said, when I was in my, of course, undergrad program, I didn't even know about higher ed associations or higher education as a major. And then when I was doing my doctoral work, I knew about associations, but didn't necessarily see myself there. So I can say it's been a journey, but every step along the way has been part of the preparation. So first I'd say getting to this literal seat is involved a lot of association experience. So, you mentioned it before this role for nine years, I was that VP of research and policy. And then before that, I worked for a few years at another association, the Association for Institutional Research. So, those who know me know that I enjoy data conversations and that kind of helped with that. Dr. Amelia Parnell [00:03:44]: And then prior to that, I spent seven years in state policy in Florida in an office that really felt a lot like the IR office or institutional research office for the legislature. So a lot of association industry experience, and then a lot of other things that fill in the spaces. So served on some other association boards, did some teaching, some writing, some research, public speaking, advisory board service, and all that together in addition to early, early days working on a campus. So I'd like to think that this opportunity now was several, several years in the making. Dr. Jill Creighton [00:04:13]: And just to plug some of your work, if you're a data nerd, Amelia has a great book out on data, so you should check that one out if you're a data and assessment person. Dr. Amelia Parnell [00:04:21]: I think we all are. Dr. Jill Creighton [00:04:22]: Definitely. And I think more so now in the profession than we were, you know, five, ten years ago. Even the data has begun to speak differently than it has before. Mhmm. But you've been in the NASPA presidency just under a year now. So how is it going? Dr. Amelia Parnell [00:04:35]: It's going very well. Now I can say, like many others in higher education, has not all been easy. But I would definitely say it's been more bearable when you're in a welcoming community, and I'm glad to have that. So specifically, the membership has been really welcoming. I had an opportunity to go to almost all the regional meetings, over the past year. This one, the Western Regional, but I'll see them at their meeting this year. The membership in general has been very kind and welcoming. Get a lot of emails. Dr. Amelia Parnell [00:04:59]: The challenge I have is to respond to all of them in a timely way. The board has been very supportive and enjoyed that partnership and looking to build on that. NASPA staff are great. This feels like a commercial, but truly, it it really has been nice. The my neighbor association, some of those CEOs and presidents have immediately reached out. So I feel a sense of community that I was already there, but just feels different in this new role. So it's going really, really well. Dr. Jill Creighton [00:05:19]: I know you're gonna love Western Regional. It's one of my favorite conferences as a former region fiver. So I'll give a shout out to Josie Alquist and Kim Halapa who are the chairs of NASPA Western Regional this year. You're gonna have a great time. Dr. Amelia Parnell [00:05:30]: Okay. Ok

In the latest episode of NASPA's Student Affairs Voices from the Field, Dr. Jill Creighton sits down with Dr. Richard Walker, President of the University of Houston Clear Lake, to explore the past, present, and future of student affairs in higher education. With over four decades of experience, Dr. Walker brings a wealth of knowledge and unique perspectives, having transitioned from a career in student affairs to the presidency. Here’s a glimpse into the key themes covered in their enlightening conversation. Dr. Walker’s journey to the presidency is a testament to the value of diverse experiences and the encouragement of mentors. Initially set on retiring as a Vice President for Student Affairs (VPSA), Walker’s career took an unexpected turn when he was encouraged to consider a presidential role. His story underscores the importance of being open to new opportunities and the impact of leaders who recognize potential. Once in the presidential seat, Dr. Walker’s student affairs background provided him with a distinct advantage. His approach to leadership is deeply rooted in fostering a holistic view of student success and engagement, emphasizing the importance of seamless support systems that include academic advising, student activities, and mental health services. His tenure at UHCL has been marked by significant achievements, including strategic partnerships with industry giants like Boeing and NASA, enhancing student career readiness through experiential learning. Dr. Walker candidly discusses current challenges, particularly in light of recent legislative changes affecting diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) efforts in Texas. He shares the innovative strategies UHCL has employed to comply with new laws while maintaining robust support systems for all students, emphasizing the university’s commitment to providing a welcoming environment despite external challenges. Looking forward, Walker encourages a continued focus on student success, affordability, and the evolving role of student affairs professionals. He highlights the need for institutions to adapt to changing needs, particularly in mental health services and career readiness, ensuring that all students have the support necessary to succeed academically and personally. For student affairs professionals and higher education leaders, Dr. Walker’s insights offer a valuable perspective on navigating the complexities of modern academia. His dedication to student engagement, community partnerships, and strategic leadership is both inspiring and instructive. Tune in to hear more from Dr. Richard Walker about the evolving landscape of student affairs and the vital role it plays in shaping the future of higher education. Whether you’re an aspiring university leader or a seasoned professional, this conversation provides rich insights and motivation to make a lasting impact in your field. Listen now to engage with the full discussion and gather insights that could transform your approach to student affairs leadership. TRANSCRIPT Dr. Jill Creighton [00:00:01]: Welcome to Student Affairs Voices from the Field, the podcast where we share your student affairs stories from fresh perspectives to seasoned experts. Brought to you by NASPA, we curate free and accessible professional development for higher ed professionals wherever you happen to be. This is season 12, continuing our journey through the past, present, and future of student affairs. I'm doctor Jill Creighton, she, her, hers, your essay voices from the field host. Welcome back to Essay Voices from the Field where today we're bringing you the third conversation we had live and in person at the NASPA annual conference, this time with one of our keynote speakers, doctor Richard Walker. Richard joined the University of Houston Clear Lake as its sixth president on 05/20/2022, bringing over forty years of leadership experience in higher ed at both public and private institutions. Under his leadership, UHCL has experienced significant success. He led the implementation of the university's strategic plan, Impact 2025 and beyond, transform, translate, transcend, which has been pivotal in transforming student lives through experiential learning and workforce readiness. Dr. Jill Creighton [00:01:03]: This period has seen record breaking fundraising efforts with nearly $2,800,000 raised, surpassing the goal by over a million dollars. Additionally, the successful acquisition of 53 grants has yielded over 7,200,000.0 in funding for various educational and community projects in the twenty twenty two, twenty twenty three period. Under his leadership, the university has marked several notable achievements. During his first year, UHCL graduated its largest class ever with 2,427 students. Additionally, Walker's tenure has significantly increased the institution's economic impact on the local area, contributing $1,100,000,000, which equates to supporting 12,578 jobs in the university's service region. Moreover, UHCL has made considerable strides in national and regional academic standings. In the 2024 US News and World Report rankings, the university climbed 27 places to number 304 nationally and rose to number 12 amongst public universities in Texas. It also advanced 66 spots to number a 43 in the top performer for social mobility category among national universities. Dr. Jill Creighton [00:02:06]: Walker's impact extends beyond the campus as he actively contributes to regional and national development. He's a member of the board of trustees for HCA Houston Healthcare Clear Lake and the board of directors for Bay Area Houston Economic Partnership. He also serves on the executive committee of the Council of Public University Presidents and Chancellors or CPUPC. Strategic partnerships with major organizations like Boeing and NASA have provided invaluable real world experiences to UHCL students, further enhancing their education and career readiness, supporting community and workforce development. Recognized as one of our pillars of the profession here at NASPA in 2016, his dedication to education is evident in his administrative achievements and active involvement in various professional and honor societies. His vision for UHCL focuses on elevating the university among the top universities in Texas, enhancing the student experience, and anticipating educational needs to ensure UHCL's relevance and influence in an evolving workplace landscape. Prior to his current role, Walker served as vice chancellor for student affairs and enrollment services for the University of Houston system and vice president for student affairs and enrollment services at the University of Houston. He also spent twenty four years in significant leadership roles at the University of Miami. Dr. Jill Creighton [00:03:18]: Walker received his EDD in higher ed leadership from the University of Miami. He earned a specialist in education and administration and supervision from Middle State Tennessee University, a master of education administration and supervision from Memphis State University, and a bachelor of science in history from Middle Tennessee State University. He's also a graduate of the Harvard Institute for Higher Ed Management development program. Hope you enjoy our conversation. It was a delight to talk to Richard. Hi, Richard. Hey, Joe. Thanks so much for making time out of your conference schedule sit down with me. Dr. Richard Walker [00:03:46]: It is absolutely my pleasure. Dr. Jill Creighton [00:03:48]: And for our listeners, our audio quality might be a little bit different today than you're used to because we're live and in person at NASPA in New Orleans sitting in a gorgeous, very fancy boardroom in one of the conference hotels. But you were on the panel this morning with three other university presidents who've come up through student affairs and are now sitting in the president's seat. So we always like to start our conversations by asking you, how did you get to your current spot? Dr. Richard Walker [00:04:12]: It's an interesting story. So my career goal when I got in the field of student affairs was to become a vice president for student affairs. That was my, you know, the ultimate kind of goal for my career, which I achieved when I became vice president for student affairs at the University of Houston. And then I was with my boss, the president of the University Houston and the chancellor for the University of Houston system and her husband. One night at dinner, actually, we were at a c o a CEO in San Diego, and we were talking about what's next for both of us. And I said, what's next for you? What's your what are your plans? She said, what's next for you? And I said, I'm good. If you're good at my performance, I'm good at Houston. I can retire with you at Houston. Dr. Richard Walker [00:04:51]: And she said, I really think you should become a college president. And I said, well, I'm very flattered, but I don't know if I really wanna do that. I watch what you do, and I'm like, not so sure I really wanna do that. So, anyway, years go by, and one Friday afternoon, September or the fall of twenty twenty one, she pops into my office and sits down. And you never know on a Friday afternoon when your boss pops into your office and sits down about, what was this all about? Please, there's not be a pink slip. She said, no. I need to make a change in the presidency at Clear Lake, and I want you to go down there and be the interim president. Dr. Jill Creighton [00:05:24]: Wow. Dr. Richard Walker [00:05:24]: And I said, okay. And when would this be? She said, in two weeks. Dr. Jill Creighton [00:05:29]: Wow. Dr. Richard Walker [00:05:30]: She said, but you don't have to tell me now. You can think about it over the weekend and get back to me on Monday. It's one of those things where you're not gonna tell her no. But I'm like, okay. I'll get back to you on Monday. So it's an interesting story because she's always thought I should be a president. I

In the latest episode of Student Affairs Voices from the Field, host Dr. Jill Creighton sits down with Dr. Cynthia Hernandez, Vice President for Student Success at Texas State University, to delve into her extensive experience in student affairs and her vision for the future of the field. This episode is a must-listen for anyone involved in higher education, offering insights into leadership, professional development, and the evolving role of student affairs in fostering student success. Dr. Hernandez's journey into student affairs is a story of passion and dedication. With over 25 years of progressive leadership, her rise through the ranks is anything but ordinary. From an early involvement as a student leader to her current role guiding a division of over 400 staff, Cynthia's trajectory offers invaluable lessons for professionals at all stages of their careers. Although she initially embarked on a STEM path, earning a Bachelor's in Animal Science, she discovered her true calling in higher education, catalyzed by the guidance of mentors who recognized her leadership potential. Throughout the episode, Dr. Hernandez emphasizes the importance of a holistic approach to student success. Drawing on her STEM background, she uniquely applies analytical skills to organizational leadership, demonstrating how diverse experiences can enhance student affairs work. Her perspective is particularly valuable for listeners interested in the interplay between data-driven decision-making and the empathetic, student-centered focus of student affairs. Key themes in this episode include strategies for professional development and career advancement in student affairs. Dr. Hernandez shares candid insights into "managing up" and the importance of building institutional commitment. Whether you're a new professional or a seasoned expert, her advice on leveraging opportunities and committing to lifelong learning is sure to resonate and inspire action. Furthermore, the conversation delves into the challenges and opportunities presented by current legislative changes affecting higher education. Dr. Hernandez advocates for a proactive stance, emphasizing the importance of maintaining a focus on student success, despite external pressures. Her ability to navigate these dynamics while supporting her team and institution serves as a powerful example of adaptive leadership in unpredictable times. For those eager to delve deeper into the evolving landscape of student affairs and uncover strategies to enhance student success, this episode is a must-listen. Tune in to gain a wealth of insights from Dr. Cynthia Hernandez and be inspired by her commitment to fostering inclusive, effective educational environments. Whether you're on a campus or beyond, her story is a testament to the profound impact student affairs professionals can have on the lives of students and the wider academic community. TRANSCRIPT Dr. Jill Creighton [00:00:01]: Welcome to Student Affairs Voices from the Field, the podcast where we share your student affairs stories from fresh perspectives to seasoned experts. Brought to you by NASPA, we curate free and accessible professional development for higher ed professionals wherever you happen to be. This is season 12, continuing our journey through the past, present, and future of student affairs. I'm Dr. Jill Creighton, sheherhers, your essay voices from the field host. Welcome back to another episode of essay voices from the field. Today, we are bringing you the second live recorded conversation from the NASPA annual conference where we sat down with NASPA pillar of the profession, Dr. Cynthia l Hernandez. Dr. Hernandez currently serves as the vice president for student success at Texas State University, providing leadership for a comprehensive division comprised of over 400 staff housed in 12 departments, including housing and res life, dean of students, counseling services, health services, campus rec, Disability Services, Career Services, LBJ Student Center, Student Involvement, Student Learning Assistance Center, Academic Success Initiatives, and Assessment Planning and Technology Services. With over twenty five years of progressive leadership experience, Dr. Hernandez focuses on enhancing student success and learning in the co curricular through inclusive student centered programs, services, and initiatives, and communicating the impact and value of student success work. Dr. Jill Creighton [00:01:14]: She is a scholar practitioner and an active member of professional organizations, including NASPA, where she serves on the board of directors. Prior to joining Texas State University, doctor Hernandez served for fifteen years in the office of the vice president for student affairs at Texas A and M University as an assistant and associate VP and as an adjunct professor in the department of educational admin and human resource development. She earned her bachelor's degree in animal science and a master's degree in educational administration with an emphasis in student affairs admin and a doctorate in ed admin from Texas A and M University. Doctor Hernandez began her student success career in student orientation, transition, and retention and programming both at Northern Arizona University and Texas A and M. In addition to being an active professional member of NASPA, she's also active in NODA, which is the Association for Orientation Transition and Retention in Higher Ed, where she held the position of president. She's also served as the chair for NASPA's AVP initiatives steering committee and as a faculty member and director for the NASPA AVP Institute. Her areas of professional interest include the organization leadership and management of operating a division of student affairs, academic partnerships and collaborations, student learning in the co curricular, comprehensive program reviews, strategic planning, threat assessment, Latinas in higher education, and higher education policy. She also provides her personal statement. Dr. Jill Creighton [00:02:28]: I believe in selfless service, the duty to do good, and the responsibility that comes with influence honoring the impact we have on others and the world. I hope you enjoyed this conversation as much as we loved having it. And like our other live episodes, this one might have slightly different audio quality, but the conversation is rich. Cynthia, welcome to SA Voices. Dr. Cynthia Hernandez [00:02:45]: Thank you. Excited to be here. Dr. Jill Creighton [00:02:47]: So you are our second conversation here live at the annual conference. We're so excited to feature you, as well as an award winner this year. Yeah. Dr. Cynthia Hernandez [00:02:55]: Thank you very much. Excited to be here. Dr. Jill Creighton [00:02:56]: Congratulations. Thank you. But Cynthia, you have been part of the student affairs profession for about twenty five years at this point. Spent most of your career in Texas And we always love to start our episodes by asking our guests, how did you get to your current seat? Dr. Cynthia Hernandez [00:03:10]: Well, thank you very much. You know, it's it's interesting and I think like many of us in the profession, we don't set out to being in the profession. I started my undergraduate degree at Texas A and M University, and one of the wonderful things about that institution is it allows you to really flourish as a student leader. There's so many student run programs, and I got involved. I got involved when I was a student even as a freshman starting out. And I remember, though, the person that really led me into the profession before she probably even knew it was my own RA. I had a scholarship going out to A and M. That's the way I was able to go. Dr. Cynthia Hernandez [00:03:49]: And we had to live in a residence hall, and I lived there. And halfway through my freshman semester, my RA tapped me on the shoulder and said, you do really good at trying to create community with people on the floor, and I think you'd be a great RA. And I was like, I didn't even know really what an RA did, but I did. I I ended up applying and getting it. And so that was really my first foray in. And then the next piece of that was, at that time, you had to take an RA class before you could get hired, and you had to make a certain grade in the class before you could get hired. So my RA class was taught by the director of residence life. His name is Ron Sasse, and he took a liking to me. Dr. Cynthia Hernandez [00:04:35]: We I enjoyed being in his class, and he stayed with me throughout, my RA career as well as my orientation leader career. And when it was time for me to figure out what I wanted to do so I came in to A and M as an aerospace engineering major. I grew up in Houston and really wanted to work on the shuttle. And then ended up an animal science major because I thought I wanted to be a vet. And then I decided I didn't wanna do either of those things. And he walked into my little cubicle as an undergraduate, for my student org, and he gave me a photograph copy. And his name was actually written in Sharpie on the on the front of it, a photograph copy of the student personnel point of view. Oh, okay. Dr. Cynthia Hernandez [00:05:23]: And he said, I think you should read this and tell him, let's talk about it. And we did and it unlocked this love and passion for not only higher education, but for the field of student affairs. And it was then that I decided to to go into graduate school and and go into this path. Dr. Jill Creighton [00:05:40]: But you finished your bachelor's degree in animal science. Dr. Cynthia Hernandez [00:05:43]: I did. I do. I have a bachelor's of science in animal science. And I think about this all the time. Growing up for me, I was always strong in math and science. And so, naturally, that's what everybody focused on. I got sent to a lot of STEM things when I was in high school. I thought, well, that's what I need to lean into because that's what I'm good at. Dr. Cy

Unlocking the Potential of Community Colleges: Insights from Dr. Bette Simmons In a captivating episode of Student Affairs Voices from the Field, Dr. Jill Creighton sits down with Dr. Bette Simmons, an esteemed leader in higher education, to delve into the transformative role of community colleges in today's academic landscape. Dr. Simmons, a celebrated figure in student affairs, shares her journey and insightful perspectives that challenge traditional views of community colleges and highlight their evolving importance in serving diverse student populations. A Career Dedicated to Student Success Dr. Simmons has devoted over four decades to enhancing student engagement, success, and leadership development, primarily within community colleges. Her career began serendipitously when a convincing interview led to an unexpected but remarkable path in student affairs at County College of Morris. Her story is a testament to the impact of passion-driven work and the profound influence mentors and community connections can have on one's professional trajectory. Reimagining Community Colleges The conversation challenges the outdated perception that community colleges are a "second choice" for students. Instead, Dr. Simmons emphasizes their vital role in providing accessible education and addressing the needs of underrepresented students and adult learners. She discusses the significant strides community colleges have made in workforce development and dual enrollment programs, illustrating their commitment to meeting industry needs and offering students a robust, supportive educational environment. Tackling Student Challenges Dr. Simmons also candidly addresses the growing challenges faced by today's students, including basic needs insecurity and mental health issues. She shares anecdotes of students who have triumphed over adversity, thanks to the supportive networks provided by community colleges. Her stories underscore the importance of holistic student support systems, which are increasingly necessary to navigate the multifaceted challenges students face in higher education today. A Legacy of Mentorship and Leadership As a pioneer in the development of NASPA's knowledge communities, Dr. Simmons’s contributions have shaped the broader landscape of student affairs. Her advice to new professionals is straightforward: seek connections, remain curious, and never underestimate the value of persistence and resilience in building a fulfilling career. Why Listen? This episode is a treasure trove for anyone interested in understanding the evolving role of community colleges and the future of higher education. Dr. Simmons’s experiences and insights not only celebrate the successes of these institutions but also advocate for their continued innovation and inclusivity. Listening to her story could ignite a deeper appreciation for community colleges and inspire educators and administrators to rethink how they can best support their students. Tune into this enriching dialogue to explore how community colleges are not just places of learning but hubs of opportunity and transformation. TRANSCRIPT Dr. Jill Creighton [00:00:01]: Welcome to Student Affairs Voices from the Field, the podcast where we share your student affairs stories from fresh perspectives to seasoned experts. Brought to you by NASPA, we curate free and accessible professional development for higher ed professionals wherever you happen to be. This is season 12, continuing our journey through the past, present, and future of student affairs. I'm Dr. Jill Creighton, sheherhers, your essay voices from the field host. Welcome back, SA Voices. Chris and I have just gotten back to our respective homes after spending some amazing time with you in New Orleans for the annual conference. Like many years before, we were able to capture some live recordings of the podcast while we were there, and in particular this year, a few episodes live in front of some of you. So thank you so much if you were able to make space in your annual conference schedule to come see us. Dr. Jill Creighton [00:00:52]: The first episode we're going to bring you is with doctor Betty Simmons who won this year's Fred Turner award for outstanding service. Now this recording was captured live, so the audio quality may not be up to our usual standards, but I promise you that the recording and the conversation itself is incredibly rich. I hope you enjoy this conversation with Dr. Simmons. Betty is a distinguished leader in higher education and student affairs, recognized nationally as a NASPA foundation pillar of the profession, and regionally with several distinguished community college leadership awards. Betty has dedicated her career to advancing care, engagement, student success, and leadership development predominantly in community colleges. She retired from County College of Morris in 2022 where she spent forty two years advancing in various student affairs positions, ending as the VPSA overseeing initiatives focused on enhancing student development, student engagement, wellness, and retention. She's known for her collaborative leadership and commitment to fostering supportive and inclusive environments among students, student affairs professionals, faculty, and academic administrators. Throughout her career, she's implemented impactful programs that address critical student needs, including academic support centers, wellness centers, and basic needs resources. Dr. Jill Creighton [00:01:57]: Her expertise spans various areas of enrollment student services, student support services, and student engagement, all in the community college environment. As a respected mentor, Betty has guided countless student affairs professionals identifying and implementing effective and efficient roles and organizational structures, advocating for innovative approaches to developing strong student affairs professionals. Betty holds a doctorate in higher ed from Seton Hall University. She frequently serves as a community college and student affairs consultant on topics ranging from student affairs assessment, leadership development, and organizational management, as well as an accreditation evaluator. Betty resides in New Jersey with her partner. Now in retirement, she's found more time for volunteering in her community, traveling, especially cruising, and spending time with her family. Dr. Jill Creighton [00:02:39]: Betty, welcome to SA Voice News. How are you?  Dr. Bette Simmons I'm great. Dr. Jill Creighton How's your conference? Dr. Bette Simmons Exhausting. Yes. Still have a day and a half to go. It's just wonderful now. Dr. Jill Creighton [00:02:49]: Yes. For our listeners, it is day two of NASA's annual conference. We're here at 08:30 in the morning, so the first session of the day. We see that many of our colleagues, may not have been able to to make it to the sessions this morning, because it was such an eventful evening last night. Last night was also Saint Patrick's Day. Dr. Bette Simmons [00:03:04]: Yeah. Dr. Jill Creighton [00:03:06]: Here in New Orleans. And I don't about you, but I accidentally became part of the parade. Dr. Bette Simmons [00:03:12]: I watched it from a distance Dr. Jill Creighton [00:03:13]: Yeah. I was walking back from dinner, and I came right in front of our hotel, and I was, oh, I'm in this. I had to cross the street. Okay. But we're live taking today at the conference and celebrating your new award With NASPA. But congratulations Dr. Bette Simmons [00:03:26]: Thank you so very much. Dr. Jill Creighton [00:03:28]: Awards are here this afternoon. Excited to celebrate you. Dr. Bette Simmons [00:03:32]: Thank you. Among many of our fellow award winners here. Dr. Bette Simmons [00:03:34]: So I'm a little. Okay. Very excited. Thank you. Dr. Jill Creighton [00:03:37]: But as we talk about your story today, the first question we always like to ask is, how did you get to your current seat? Now we know that you are in in retirement alone. You've had a forty two year career in student affairs, and so we'd love to hear that journey. Dr. Bette Simmons [00:03:49]: Sure. I'll make a quick story because it could be a mom's story, but to finish my undergraduate education, I had a branch of teaching assistantship to go to Harrison State University. And over the summer, I had a conversation with my father who was a high school guy in sweater. And it was tenfold because I wasn't a % sure that that's what I wanted to do. My undergraduate degree is in foreign language, Spanish and French. And I knew that I didn't wanna teach and I didn't wanna work for the government. But I didn't know what I'm allowed to do. Dr. Bette Simmons [00:04:24]: So talking with my gal, it's a question of, well, what do you wanna do? And I didn't have an answer to that. So by the end of the summer, we made a decision, my dad and I, with his help, that I'm most important girl in this country and pursue something that I wasn't passionate about. Passion is really and has all this been important to me. So I stayed in my community. I worked for a key organization for a short style. And then Mark Feller, who was an adviser board at Campbell College of Morris in New Jersey, he said, no. There's this job for delaying for educational opportunity fund. Why don't you go for that job? I'm not qualified. Dr. Bette Simmons [00:05:00]: Now you just go for it anyway. Get the experience of an interview and see where it takes you. This was in 1979. Affirmative action was all the rage. My community is a very diverse community at the time, but County College of Morris was not diverse. And so I did apply for the job. I'm interested for the job, had the best review in my entire life because in my mind, I was going to get the job. It was very relaxed. Dr. Bette Simmons [00:05:26]: I barely should work myself in practice mode. And in practice mode. Yeah. I did not get the job. But Community College of Parks was so impressed with me that they said he'd li

In recent years, the landscape of substance use and recovery on college campuses has witnessed transformative shifts, urging a nuanced approach that combines compassion, education, and empowerment. In a revealing conversation on the "Student Affairs Voices from the Field" podcast, experts Dylan Dunn and Sydney Chifetz from the SAFE Project delve into their experiences and strategies in collegiate harm reduction and recovery, providing invaluable insights for higher education professionals. Prioritizing Student Autonomy and Education Dylan and Sydney emphasize the significance of placing students at the forefront of harm reduction efforts. Encouraging students to take charge of their health decisions, the duo highlights the importance of respecting student autonomy. By adopting motivational interviewing techniques and fostering open dialogue, professionals can aid students in discerning their relationship with substances and empower them to make informed choices. Education emerges as a key pillar in this process. Students often lack essential knowledge about the substances they encounter, making educational initiatives crucial. Clear, unbiased information equips students to navigate their substance use responsibly and safely. Navigating Stigma and Compliance Addressing stigma in the context of substance use is paramount. Dylan points out that stigmatizing perceptions create an "us versus them" mentality, hampering open discussions and effective interventions. By cultivating an environment rooted in dignity and understanding, campus professionals can bridge the gap between students and necessary support systems. Simultaneously, the conversation underscores the challenge of aligning harm reduction strategies with compliance requirements, such as the Drug Free Schools and Communities Act. The speakers advocate for an approach that balances legal mandates with empathetic, realistic support mechanisms, ensuring students' holistic well-being and safety. Leveraging Community and Resources The SAFE Project team underscores the power of community collaboration. By engaging with partners beyond campus boundaries, colleges can tap into external resources and expertise, enriching their support systems. This collaborative approach not only enhances the available resources but also fosters a sense of belonging and support for students navigating recovery journeys. Paving the Way Forward In envisioning the future, Dylan and Sydney advocate for a student affairs approach steeped in curiosity, care, and judgment-free zones. Authentic engagement with students' lived experiences can lead to meaningful change, paving the way for healthier campus environments. As student affairs professionals, embracing these principles can reshape how campuses address substance use, fostering environments where students feel heard, supported, and empowered to overcome challenges. Through intentional, compassionate actions, higher education institutions can truly become beacons of hope and healing for students in recovery. TRANSCRIPT Dr. Jill Creighton [00:00:01]: Welcome to Student Affairs Voices from the Field, the podcast where we share your student affairs stories from fresh perspectives to seasoned experts. Brought to you by NASPA, we curate free and accessible professional development for higher ed professionals wherever you happen to be. This is season 12, continuing our journey through the past, present, and future of student affairs. I'm doctor Jill Creighton, she, her, hers, your essay voices from the field host. Today on Essay Voices, we bring you an episode that talks about recovery and addiction with college students with two colleagues that are higher ed adjacent working at the SAFE project. Our first guest is Dylan Dunn, hehim. Dylan has dedicated his career to transforming cultures, systems, and programs to empower individuals in recovery and those impacted by addiction and overdose. Throughout his time at Safe Project and in his current professional role as the senior director of Safe Campuses, Dylan has worked with students, faculty, and staff at over 550 campuses and in all 50 states to implement holistic student support, harm reduction and recovery programs, and provide professional development opportunities. Dr. Jill Creighton [00:01:02]: Prior to his work at the SAFE project, Dylan has served as the collegiate recovery program coordinator at the University of Denver where he developed and launched recovery support, stigma reduction, and naloxone availability programs in the memory of Jonathan Winifield. From this work, Dylan has been the recipient of the 2019 NASPA Now Award for Innovation in the Field of Student Affairs. Before his work at the University of Denver, Dylan was a founding advisor for the recovery support community at Colorado State University as well as a residence hall director, student conduct hearing officer, and case manager. Dylan's work is informed by his experience growing up in rural Ohio, the youngest child of a large family involved in the drug trade, and later through the journey of helping his parent along their recovery journey. Dylan holds a master of science in student affairs in higher education from Colorado State University, as well as a bachelor of arts in philosophy and a bachelor of arts in criminology and criminal justice from The Ohio State University. Our second guest is Sydney Chifetz, Miles per hour, deputy director of Safe Campuses, who brings ten years of experience in global health, collegiate recovery, disease prevention, and health education to the field. Currently, Chifetz builds and oversees Safe Projects student development programs, providing learning, advocacy, and leadership opportunities to students nationwide rooted in equity, empowerment, and public health principles. Before joining SAFE Project in 2022, Trifetz led alcohol and other drug prevention, harm reduction, and recovery programs at Gonzaga University. Dr. Jill Creighton [00:02:21]: Additionally, she served in the field of global health and education in Southern Brazil and on the Polio Eradication Initiative in Northern Nigeria. Sydney holds a master of public health from Oregon State University and is certified in motivational interviewing, recovery coaching, and ethical public health research. She was the recipient of the Oregon State University twenty eighteen Global Consciousness Award and Gonzaga University's twenty twenty one Outstanding New Student Affairs Professional Award. Welcome to the show, Sydney. Sydney Chifetz [00:02:47]: Hey, Jill. How are you today? Dr. Jill Creighton [00:02:49]: I'm doing great. Thank you so much. And Dylan, welcome. Dylan Dunn [00:02:51]: Hey. Thanks for having Dr. Jill Creighton [00:02:52]: us. This is a bit of an unusual episode for us here at SA Voices because normally we're featuring the voices of student affairs professionals. But today, we're thrilled to bring you both in from the SAFE project, which is a nonprofit organization that works with what I would call student affairs adjacent work. So we're in the health promotion space using student affairs language. And the safe project was founded in November of twenty seventeen by admiral James and Mary Winifield following the loss of their 19 year old son, Jonathan, to an accidental opioid overdose. And this family immediately channeled the grief into action, hoping to save more families from the pain of loss, whether it was seeking treatment, getting answers or understanding the nature of the diseases. They, they knew that they needed to be a different solution to helping other families facing the same journey with substance use disorders. And so therefore SAFE Project was created and they're working towards meaningful action through programs and leading efforts that are unifying, nonpartisan and evidence based. Dr. Jill Creighton [00:03:45]: SAFE seeks meaningful metrics that are strengthening our independent six lines of operation and ultimately aim to achieve safe communities, campuses, workplaces, and veterans across the nation. So today we're focusing on the campuses element. Why don't we get started with asking you both how you got to your current seat in your work with this nonprofit? Dylan Dunn [00:04:02]: Sure. So, again, my name is Dylan. I'm the senior director of our campuses team, which is, as you said, one arm of the safe project team. And I am a student affairs professional by trade. I'm a graduate of the CSU SAHE program. And when I was at Colorado State University, that was when Jonathan Munafald passed away. So I was just 40 miles, 50 miles up the road. And when I graduated from CSU after doing collegiate recovery work there while also working in housing, I got hired at University of Denver to start the program in Jonathan's memory. Dylan Dunn [00:04:29]: And so after a year of working at DU, establishing an collegiate recovery program doing opioid overdose prevention work, I knew it was time for me to go. So I ended up getting hired at Safe Project to help however I could. And then after a a couple months, they realized that I was a student affairs professional, and it would make sense for me to be on the campuses team. And so I've been on the team ever since, and it's been a heck of a journey. Dr. Jill Creighton [00:04:47]: Sydney, how about you? Sydney Chifetz [00:04:48]: Yeah. So I got started in public health. I was living for a time in Brazil and saw the impacts of infectious diseases there, so decided to get my master's degree and was very fortunate to accept a student a graduate teaching assistantship at Oregon State University where I worked with the collegiate recovery community. I'm a person whose family has been deeply impacted by addiction, so I was grateful for that opportunity while I studied infectious disease and my master's in public health. I graduated and took a position at Gonzaga University where I was a health educator and then later a health promotion specialist. So I no longer wor

This week we will be taking a break while Dr. Jill Creighton and Dr. Christopher Lewis will be attending the NASPA Conference. They look forward to seeing you at the conference and will be back after the conference! TRANSCRIPT Dr. Jill Creighton [00:00:01]: Welcome to Student Affairs Voices from the Field, the podcast where we share your student affairs stories from fresh perspectives to seasoned experts. Brought to you by NASPA, we curate free and accessible professional development for higher ed professionals wherever you happen to be. This is season 12, continuing our journey through the past, present, and future of student affairs. I'm doctor Jill Creighton, she, her, hers, your essay voices from the field host. Hey, SA Voices listeners. Again, for those of you who are able to join us in New Orleans, we hope that we have gotten to see you this week. For those of you who are listening from elsewhere on planet Earth, thank you so much for bearing with us this week as we take our annual week off in order to produce content for the conference. When we come back, we'll bring you the episodes that we've recorded down there as well as bring you the episodes from our fellow colleagues who were able to share their voices with us. Dr. Jill Creighton [00:00:51]: Thanks so much, and we'll see you again real soon. This has been an episode of SA Voices from the Field, a podcast brought to you by NASPA. This show is made possible because of you, the listeners, and we continue to be grateful that you spend your time with us. If you'd like to reach the show, you can always email us at essayvoices@nasa.org or find me on LinkedIn by searching for doctor Jill L. Creighton. We always welcome your feedback and your topic and guest suggestions. We'd love it if you take a moment to tell a colleague about the show, and please leave us a five star rating on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you're listening now. It really helps other student affairs professionals find our show and helps us to become more visible in the larger podcasting community. Dr. Jill Creighton [00:01:34]: This episode was produced and hosted by doctor Jill Creighton. That's me. Produced and audio engineered by doctor Chris Lewis. Special thanks to the University of Michigan Flint for your support as we create this project. Catch you next time.

In today's rapidly evolving educational landscape, the intersection of technology and student affairs is more significant than ever. In a recent discussion on the SA Voices from the Field podcast, guests James Quisenberry and David Chao, both seasoned professionals in student affairs technology, shared insights into their work at the University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign and the University of Pittsburgh. They highlighted the essential role of technology in enhancing student experiences and the ongoing efforts to integrate innovative solutions within student affairs. The Journey into Student Affairs Technology Both Quisenberry and Chao entered the realm of student affairs through unique pathways. Quisenberry transitioned from the private sector back into higher education, finding his niche in IT leadership for housing divisions. Similarly, Chao moved from the business world to higher education, recognizing the impact student affairs professionals had on his own college experience. Their experiences underscore the diverse backgrounds that contribute to the field, bringing fresh perspectives that help bridge the gap between technology and student affairs. The Role of Technology in Student Affairs In their conversation, Quisenberry and Chao emphasized the importance of technology as a tool to support student affairs work. They discussed the varying organizational models of IT within universities, whether centralized or more distributed, and how each affects the implementation of tech solutions. A critical point raised was the necessity of creating a collaborative environment where student affairs professionals and IT teams work together to design technology that meets the holistic needs of students. This approach ensures that tech solutions are user-centric and support the diverse aspects of student life. Inclusion and the Future of Technology in Higher Education A key theme that emerged was the role of technology in fostering inclusion. Technology, if leveraged correctly, serves as a great equalizer by providing access to resources and support for all students. Quisenberry and Chao highlighted ongoing efforts to develop competency standards for technology in student affairs, working towards frameworks that guide the ethical and effective use of data and digital tools. They stressed the importance of preparing for future challenges by collaborating across disciplines, ensuring that technology enhances, rather than hinders, the student experience. Conclusion As higher education continues to evolve, the integration of technology into student affairs will be crucial for addressing the needs of new generations of students. Leaders like Quisenberry and Chao are paving the way for a future where technological advancements not only support but elevate the student experience, ensuring that universities remain places of growth, inclusion, and innovation. Questions We Are Asking At the Conference Theme 1: Well-being and Healthy Excellence in Student Affairs How can student affairs professionals model healthy excellence in their own lives and institutional cultures while supporting students’ well-being? Theme 2: Changing the Student Affairs Profession How can we better leverage technology to meet the evolving needs of students and higher education institutions? Theme 3: Sustaining and Celebrating the Student Affairs Profession Can you share a moment or experience in student affairs that you feel embodies the spirit of this profession? If you would like to share your voice and we cannot record it at the conference, you can send an audio recording to savoices@naspa.org by March 28, 2025.   TRANSCRIPT Dr. Jill Creighton [00:00:01]: Welcome to Student Affairs Voices from the Field, the podcast where we share your student affairs stories from fresh perspectives to seasoned experts. Brought to you by NASPA, we curate free and accessible professional development for higher ed professionals wherever you happen to be. This is season 12, continuing our journey through the past, present, and future of student affairs. I'm doctor Jill Creighton, she, her, hers, your essay voices from the field host. Today on SA Voices, we're visiting with our technology knowledge community or Tech KC with David Chow and James Quisenberry. David Chow started his career in the business world with a degree in computer science before transitioning to higher ed. He spent the last fifteen years working for the University of Pittsburgh where he currently serves as the director of IT for student affairs. He's been active in the NASPA community for over ten years and currently serves as the chair of the Tech KC. Dr. Jill Creighton [00:00:50]: His mission is with fifteen years of knowledge, experience, and engagement in student affairs, he believes that he can help bridge the gap between tech and student affairs pros so that together we can enhance the student experience and facilitate their growth in an open and collaborative environment. Navigating the complexities of tech and student affairs requires a holistic approach to the technology itself, how it's utilized in practice, and understanding the data and outcomes. Higher ed is being challenged to adapt and evolve, and often intimidating pace of changes requires greater innovation than ever before. James Quisenberry is currently the executive director for student affairs tech and chief information officer for student affairs at the University of Illinois Urbana Champaign. In his previous role on campus, he served as associate director for the university housing department in tech services. Before joining the Urbana campus, he worked in the private sector with online learning systems focusing on curriculum and student information systems products in k 12 with Pearson Education, NCS, and Nova Net Learning. Mister Quisenberry holds both a BA and MS degree in computer science, both of which he received from Southern Illinois University at Carbondale. He's an active professional in organizations including NASPA, EDUCAUSE, and Akuho Ai. Dr. Jill Creighton [00:01:56]: He's currently serving as a member of the NASPA Tech KC representing Region 4 East. Mister Quisenberry is also a founding facilitator for the Illinois IT leadership Workshop where he served for over fifteen years to graduate over 375 emerging leaders from all three University of Illinois campuses and the University of Illinois system. He has over thirty five years of experience using technology to support education and focuses on building strong teams in all areas of technology support and invest strongly in leadership and development for all staff so they can lead from where they are. David and James, welcome to SA Voices. James Quisenberry [00:02:28]: Hey, Jill. David Chao [00:02:29]: Thank you for having us. Dr. Jill Creighton [00:02:30]: And we are featuring you today as the current knowledge community co chairs for the NASA technology KC. We love to have our KC chairs on to tell us what's going on in your focus area of student affairs. So I'd love to start us off. Normally, we ask you how you got to your current seat, but I'd love to know first how you two met each other and decided to run as co chairs for the KC. David Chao [00:02:49]: So we met at NASPA, I think it was 2017. I think it was San Antonio at the national conference at one of the TKC group meetings. And we've been connected ever since then. I've enjoyed working. James has a lot of experience, and I've been able to really learn from him. And and he served as a mentor and a friend to me, as well as a colleague. James Quisenberry [00:03:06]: Yeah. We got together because technology folks that are focused on technology and student affairs, there's some of us, but there's not a lot of us. And so David and I and a few other people would run into each other at NASPA and at EDUCAUSE, which is the professional association for higher ed IT folks. And we knew we had things to work on, things that we could collaborate with. Dr. Jill Creighton [00:03:28]: You all approach the work in a little bit of a different way than those of us who have trained as a master's in higher ed. Tell us how you ended up using your IT background and skills in student affairs. And, James, let's start with you. James Quisenberry [00:03:40]: Yeah. Well, it was, I'll say, a little bit by accident. I started out in higher education in technology, but moved into the private sector for a while and decided I wanted to get back to higher education. And the opportunity that I found was leading IT IT for the housing division here at the University of Illinois, which is a a large operation, you know, 9,500 beds and about 1,200 apartments. And so I got into student affairs because they needed an IT leader because cause they had a complex IT environment. And I had a lot of background. I had spent some time in higher education, so it wasn't too big of a stretch for me. And so that's how I got into it. James Quisenberry [00:04:16]: And I spent a lot of time working with Akuho early on because I was in housing. And then as I moved into a more student affairs breadth role, I started getting involved with NASPA. Dr. Jill Creighton [00:04:27]: And David, how about yourself? David Chao [00:04:28]: So I had a bit of a roundabout journey to student affairs. I was in the business world for about ten years, and I don't have the business mentality. And I wanted to look for something, a little different, and I turned to higher education. And so I'm actually a Pitt alumni. So I came back to the University of Pittsburgh and and got a job here. I did not know what student affairs was before I started working for Pitt, but in hindsight, I had a challenging college experience. And as I look back on that experience, I realized how many student affairs professionals I interacted with, even if I didn't fully understand who they were or what they were. And that really kind of inspired me as I worked for Pitt student affairs, just wanting to use my

The annual NASPA conference is a cherished opportunity for student affairs professionals to converge, connect, and collaborate. Hosts Dr. Jill Creighton and Producer Dr. Christopher Lewis express their enthusiasm for the New Orleans venue, where they aim to engage with colleagues, break bread, and create new podcast episodes. The conference serves as a hub for sharing knowledge, nurturing professional relationships, and embracing the vibrant culture of student affairs. Bringing Your Voices to Life Following in the path of previous seasons, Dr. Creighton and Dr. Lewis are eager to capture the voices of their peers. They'll roam the conference floors with recording devices, ready to engage attendees on themes of the past, present, and future of student affairs. The hosts encourage participants to bravely share their insights, promising that each voice is valued for the richness it adds to the profession. Live Episodes: Join the Conversation An exciting highlight of the conference will be the recording of two live episodes with distinguished NASPA award winners. Attendees are invited to join these sessions at the Marriott Warehouse Arts District, where they can witness in-depth discussions and possibly contribute their own questions. This dynamic platform amplifies the stories of professionals who have dedicated their careers to student affairs, offering inspiration and guidance to others in the field. Continuing the Dialogue Dr. Creighton and Dr. Lewis extend an open invitation to all attendees to approach them during the conference. The podcast thrives on listener engagement, and the hosts are eager to collaborate with fellow professionals. Whether through unexpected encounters or scheduled live sessions, the podcast aims to capture the heart of student affairs, one voice at a time.   TRANSCRIPT Dr. Jill Creighton [00:00:01]: Welcome to Student Affairs Voices from the Field, the podcast where we share your student affairs stories from fresh perspectives to seasoned experts. Brought to you by NASPA, we curate free and accessible professional development for higher ed professionals wherever you happen to be. This is season 12, continuing our journey through the past, present, and future of student affairs. I'm doctor Jill Creighton, sheherhers, your essay Voices from the Field host. Chris, I am so excited to head back to The United States just for a minute to get to New Orleans. Dr. Christopher Lewis [00:00:33]: I am so excited to go back down to New Orleans again this year to be able to meet up with all of our NASPA friends and be able to see you again as we always do every year at the conference and be able to break some bread, but also to record some episodes and and have a ton of fun. Dr. Jill Creighton [00:00:49]: So like we have in previous seasons, look for Chris and I roaming around the conference because we're going to be looking for your voices. We're gonna be seeking out you to ask you some questions on our theme of the past, present, and future of student affairs, and we've been so thrilled to have almost a hundred of you featured on the show over the last couple of years. Dr. Christopher Lewis [00:01:07]: It is always exciting to be able to talk to people. Don't be weirded out. If we come up to you and ask you if you will be willing to answer some questions, just know that it's because we value your voice and value your, what you are providing to the profession. So we definitely want you to be a part of these upcoming episodes. So watch for us and definitely say yes when we ask. Dr. Jill Creighton [00:01:33]: And also I'm gonna own that it's kind of awkward for me to just walk up to a stranger, even though I know you're my colleague, to say, Hey, would you mind answering answering some questions into this little recording device I'm carrying? So please know that if we're approaching you, it's because we value your voice and and we're excited to hear from you. But if we don't approach you, please approach us. That's also completely fine, and we'll probably have our recording devices in our bags as we move about the conference. Dr. Christopher Lewis [00:01:56]: You know, the other thing that I'm really excited about is we're going to be recording two live episodes at the conference. We got two great professionals that that you're gonna be talking with at the conference, and we're gonna be sitting down. And any of you have the opportunity to be able to be a part of that recording. Dr. Jill Creighton [00:02:14]: Both NASPA award winners, we're excited for you to get to know their stories a little bit more in-depth. And to find us, it's going to be Tuesday morning at 08:30 in the morning. The room is escaping me off the top of my head, but you'll be able to find it inside of the conference app. So please come join us if you'd like to hear essay voices recorded live. And if there's time and space, you may even be able to ask your own question. Dr. Christopher Lewis [00:02:35]: Well, Jill, we're actually gonna be in the Marriott Warehouse Arts District in the Graveyor Sea Room. Dr. Jill Creighton [00:02:41]: Alright. Dr. Christopher Lewis [00:02:42]: So just like Jill said, I encourage you, come on out. Take some time. Come meet us. But also hear some amazing award winners, people that have been in NASPA for quite some time talk about their professional journey. Dr. Jill Creighton [00:02:53]: Looking forward to seeing everyone in New Orleans. Dr. Christopher Lewis [00:02:56]: See you soon. Dr. Jill Creighton [00:03:02]: This has been an episode of SA Voices from the Field, a podcast brought to you by NASPA. This show is made possible because of you, the listeners, and we continue to be grateful that you spend your time with us. If you'd like to reach the show, you can always email us at essayvoices@naspa.org or find me on LinkedIn by searching for doctor Jill L. Creighton. We always welcome your feedback and your topic and guest suggestions. 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Student affairs professionals often encounter interim leadership positions, which can significantly impact a university's trajectory. This podcast episode from "Student Affairs Voices from the Field" explores the nuances of interim leadership with insights from Dr. Jen Myers Pickard and Dr. Leanna Fenneberg. What is Interim Leadership? Interim leadership occurs when a temporary leader steps into a role during a transition period at a higher education institution. As Dr. Jen Myers Pickard explains, there are typically two types of interim leaders: those who come from within the institution and those brought in externally. Internal interims can offer continuity, while external interims bring fresh perspectives and prevent internal disruption. The Purpose of Interim Leadership Dr. Pickard and Dr. Fenneberg articulate the goals of interim leadership. Universities may choose interim leaders to maintain momentum on strategic priorities, provide specific expertise, or mentor existing teams. Interim roles can also facilitate necessary changes without long-term commitments, allowing institutions to address pressing issues such as restructuring or leadership challenges. Inherent Challenges and Considerations For many institutions, the decision to bring in an external interim leader raises questions about its impact on current staff. Concerns exist that an interim leader might delay significant initiatives or focus solely on maintaining existing processes. Dr. Fenneberg shares her experiences, emphasizing the importance of addressing such concerns through active engagement and transparent communication with all campus stakeholders. Transitioning from Interim to Permanent Roles Some interim leaders see their positions as stepping stones to permanent roles. Dr. Pickard advises having candid conversations with supervisors about potential long-term opportunities. Understanding the contractual terms of interim placements can also influence whether one can be considered for the permanent position. Deciding on Interim Leadership Choosing interim leadership as a career step can be strategic. Dr. Fenneberg discusses her decision-making process, which involved balancing the need for employment and her commitment to family. She underscores the role of networking in finding interim positions, while Dr. Pickard emphasizes reaching out to placement firms to explore opportunities. Embracing the Interim Role Fully Dr. Fenneberg and Dr. Pickard agree on the importance of fully engaging with interim roles. By adopting a proactive approach, interim leaders can make meaningful contributions to their institutions. This includes mentoring teams, sustaining strategic initiatives, and exploring opportunities for personal and professional growth. Interim leadership in higher education presents unique challenges and opportunities for growth. By engaging fully and understanding the context of their roles, interim leaders can significantly impact their institutions while setting the stage for future success.   TRANSCRIPT Dr. Jill Creighton [00:00:01]: Welcome to Student Affairs Voices from the Field, the podcast where we share your student affairs stories from fresh perspectives to seasoned experts. Brought to you by NASPA, we curate free and accessible professional development for higher ed professionals wherever you happen to be. This is season 12, continuing our journey through the past, present, and future of student affairs. I'm Dr. Jill Creighton, she, her, hers, your essay voices from the field host. Today on essay voices, we're exploring the topic of interim leadership with two wonderful colleagues, Dr. Jen Myers Pickard and Dr. Leanna Fenneberg. Based in Tucson, Arizona, Jen brought her skills to Whit Kiefer after nearly two decades in academic and student affairs roles at AAU institutions, first at Northwest University and the University of Maryland and later at the University of Arizona. Jen has a broad insight into the inner workings of higher education institutions and is driven by passion to find the right leaders for specific client needs. Her search expertise includes presidents, provosts, deans, and leaders in a wide variety of administrative units, including student affairs, student success, research and innovation, and finance and administration. Dr. Jill Creighton [00:01:05]: Jen joined Whitkey for after nineteen years in higher ed, most recently serving as the AVP for divisional initiatives and planning within student affairs and enrollment management, academic initiatives, and student success at the University of Arizona. In this role, Jen functioned in a chief of staff capacity, extending the vision and capacity of senior institutional leadership through work on change management initiatives, executive level talent acquisition, oversight of institution wide assessment efforts, and leadership of faculty student engagement and success programs. Jen is very proud of her leadership and administrative roots within the field of education. As such, she's deeply committed to the cultivation of emerging higher education professionals, continuing to develop and facilitate leadership institutes and conference sessions, and being active in NASPA along with other higher ed organizations. Additionally, Jen joined the board of the International School of Tucson in January of twenty twenty and was named board chair in June of twenty twenty one. Dr. Leanna Fenneberg is a recent NASPA pillar of the profession and has dedicated over twenty five years in higher education and student affairs. Committed to advancing the potential of all students, Dr. Feeneberg's leadership focuses on diversity, equity, and inclusion, holistic student success and well-being, and the role of campus partnerships in transformational learning. A servant leader, colleagues describe her as a source of energy and purpose, driven by integrity, care for others, and an unwavering work ethic. Dr. Jill Creighton [00:02:19]: Dr. Fenenberg serves as senior vice president for student life at Duquesne University in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, following a career spanning functional areas, including housing, first year experience, and student success, earning early recognition as an astounding first year student advocate by the National Resource Center for the First Year Experience and Students in Transition. NASPA has been a primary professional place of inspiration and connection. She's served on the NASPA board of directors as director of knowledge communities, as cochair for the Women in Student Affairs WISA, and the student affairs partnering with academic affairs SAPA knowledge communities, and recently the director for the Alice Manaker Symposium. Her expertise is evidenced through peer reviewed articles, countless national presentations, and instruction in masters and Dr.al programs in higher education administration. As a first generation college graduate, Dr. Fenneberg holds a PhD in higher education administration from Saint Louis University, an MEd in student personnel services from the University of South Carolina, and a BA in communication from Marquette. She's a devoted wife, mom of two sons, and two cats, and finds joy in travel and reading. Welcome to Essay Voices. Today, we have Jen. Dr. Jill Creighton [00:03:20]: Hi, Jen. Hi. How are you? And Liana. Hello. So glad to be featuring you both, and I love it when we get to do episodes where we can get two perspectives on the same topic, which is what we're gonna be doing today, talking all about interim leadership placement processes in higher ed leadership. I think this is an area of higher ed leadership that has a little bit of mysticism around it. So I'm looking forward to demystifying how we get into interim leadership placements through formalities and search versus maybe informal interim placements and what it's like to be in that interim seat, which I know has both pros and cons to it. But before we get into the topic, we'd love to get to know you both a little bit better. Dr. Jill Creighton [00:04:00]: So, Jen, let's start with you. How did you get to your current seat at WKiefer? Dr. Jen Myers Pickard [00:04:03]: Sure. Very happy to share that briefly. Well, so my name is Jen Pickard. It's great to see you all or be with you here today. I actually came to my seat at Wake Kiefer via twenty years of being on campuses. So I actually started in sort of the in the traditional student affairs manner, thought I wanted to be a Dean of Students when I grew up, was heading into my Dr.ate, doing all that work in assessment and research actually at that time, and then moved into a position at the University of Arizona. It was a chief of of staff type of role at a very large division that oversaw student affairs, enrollment management, academic initiatives, and student success. Say that fast a few times. Dr. Jen Myers Pickard [00:04:39]: And it was a great and wonderful role because I with Kiefer, just a very right moment in time, I decided to jump on the search bandwagon that was in the summer of twenty eighteen. Six and a half years later, I'm now a senior partner and the head of our student affairs practice. Dr. Jill Creighton [00:05:05]: And, Liana, you are in a new role right now, but you also have gone through the Kiefer process through interim placement. But how did you get to your current VPSA seat? Dr. Leanna Fenneberg [00:05:14]: Yes. Absolutely. Hello, everyone. Liana Fetterberg. I serve as the senior vice president for student life at Duquesne University. I'm in my ninth month here on campus, so it is a newer role. I've been in student affairs for this my twenty sixth year, I start to feel old and feel I earned my gray hair. But to say this is my eighth year as a vice president. Dr. Leanna Fenneberg [00:05:33]: And after my vice president position at Rider University was eliminated as a cost savings measure, I started a national search. And as a part of that search, ended up in an interim placement situation for

Harnessing Professional Longevity and Growth Dr. Michael N. Christakis’s remarkable twenty-six-year journey at the University at Albany showcases a rare career longevity within a single institution in the realm of student affairs. From his early beginnings in housing and residence life to becoming the Vice President for Student Affairs and Enrollment Management, Dr. Christakis exemplifies staying power through adaptability and curiosity. He credits his mentors, diverse professional opportunities, and openness to roles outside his comfort zone—such as spearheading student learning assessment initiatives—for his upward trajectory. For student affairs professionals aspiring for growth within one institution, Dr. Christakis recommends saying yes to new challenges, pursuing intentional professional development, and embracing adaptability in the face of the ever-evolving needs of the student body and higher education. Maintaining a strong connection to institutional community and family priorities was also key to his decision to stay. A Vision for NASPA Leadership As the incoming NASPA board chair, Dr. Christakis aims to redefine how the field communicates its value. His focus? Ensuring student affairs professionals are positioned as pivotal leaders across crucial domains such as student health and well-being, belonging, diversity, equity, inclusion, career readiness, and social justice. Reflecting on the lessons from the COVID-19 pandemic, he underscores the importance of advocating for student mental health and well-being. Yet, he voices concern about the profession’s tendency to take on an ever-expanding workload without prioritizing its own balance. Dr. Christakis encourages leaders to use data and strategic thinking to demonstrate their impact effectively, ensuring critical student success metrics, like retention and graduation rates, tie back to student affairs. Future Challenges: Balancing Policy and Wellness In light of turbulent political shifts, including policies affecting diversity efforts and marginalized communities, NASPA must remain proactive and informed. Dr. Christakis highlights NASPA’s commitment to equipping professionals with the tools and knowledge to navigate these volatile times. Additionally, he believes the profession must address its own sustainability by centering the health and well-being of student affairs practitioners. With professionals at the forefront of addressing wide societal challenges, their mental and emotional wellness becomes essential to their ability to support students. Conclusion: A Call for Strategic Advocacy Dr. Christakis’s leadership philosophy emphasizes the opportunity to reframe student affairs as a transformational force within higher education. Through intentional data-informed storytelling, commitment to personal and collective health, and adaptive leadership, he invites the field to seize its moment to lead. As he steps into his new role, the NASPA community can expect a purposeful and forward-thinking year ahead under his guidance. TRANSCRIPT Dr. Jill Creighton [00:00:01]: Welcome to Student Affairs Voices from the Field, the podcast where we share your student affairs stories from fresh perspectives to seasoned experts. Brought to you by NASPA, we curate free and accessible professional development for higher ed professionals wherever you happen to be. This is season 12, continuing our journey through the past, present, and future of student affairs. I'm doctor Jill Creighton, sheherhers, your essay voices from the field host. Today on Essay Voices, we're pleased to bring you our annual episode with the incoming NASPA board chair. This year's board chair will be doctor Michael N. Christakis, and he is the vice president for student affairs and enrollment management at the University of Albany. Christakis was named VP in May of twenty fifteen. Dr. Jill Creighton [00:00:42]: And since his arrival to the university in 1999, he served in numerous positions in student affairs, having served as AVP for student affairs prior to his appointments as VP. As a member of the vice president's staff since 02/2007, Christakis developed assessment and evaluation practices, improved the effectiveness of divisional planning, professional development, communications, and risk management, and provided oversight to critical campus life areas. He was elected to be our NASPA board chair in spring twenty twenty four, and we'll assume his full role as NASPA board chair in New Orleans at our annual conference this March. Additionally, he's most recently served as chair of the Association for Public and Land Grant Universities, APLU's, Council on Student Affairs. Previously, he served as regional director for NASPA region two, while concurrently serving on NASPA's board of directors. He's a past national president of Omicron Delta Kappa's National Leadership Honor Society and past national cochair of NASPA's assessment evaluation and research knowledge community. He currently serves as the president of the board for the University of Auxiliary Services at University of Albany. A fellow of the State Academy for Public Administration, he was appointed for public service professor in 2013 and teaches undergraduate courses in public policy, public administration, and political science for which he was honored with Rockefeller College's Outstanding Teacher Award in 2010 and the University of Albany's student association's outstanding teacher in 2014. Dr. Jill Creighton [00:01:59]: Mike, welcome to SA Voices. Dr. Michael N. Christakis [00:02:02]: Hello, Jill. Thanks for having me. Dr. Jill Creighton [00:02:03]: Good to see you again. It's been a minute probably since last annual. Dr. Michael N. Christakis [00:02:06]: Annual is always a reunion for me. So getting a chance to see you and so many others at the annual meeting is is always a treat. Dr. Jill Creighton [00:02:12]: Yes. And we are recording this in early February. By the time listeners do hear this, you might be on a plane on the way to New Orleans or Dr. Michael N. Christakis [00:02:20]: Heading to NOA. Dr. Jill Creighton [00:02:21]: Or watching through virtual sessions or however you're accessing conference content this year. But, Mike, we're thrilled to talk to you today about your role as incoming NASPA board chair. You will take over the gavel, in just a couple of weeks here. We know you've been preparing thoroughly for this as the year has gone by as the chair elect seat. But we always like to start our shows by asking our guests, how did you get to your current seat at Albany as well as your seat in the NASPA board? Dr. Michael N. Christakis [00:02:46]: Yeah. What a ride it's been. So to the seat that I'm in now, I've been at the university at Albany. I'm actually in my twenty sixth year, celebrated twenty five years in the fall. I got to UAlbany as a grad student in the fall of ninety nine studying public policy and did not think then that I would be in the VP for student affairs seat here, but things happen. And so Albany has been very good to me and my family, and and I'm a two time alum having my master's degree and my PhD here. But I started in housing. I was a housing guy through my undergraduate time. Dr. Michael N. Christakis [00:03:19]: I was an RA for three years. My undergraduate institution, I did my undergraduate work at Alfred University, which is really where I got first exposed to student affairs or to understanding that student affairs was a thing. I'm a first gen college student. My parents are both immigrants from Greece, and so I was the first of my family to go to college. Didn't think working at a college was something you could do in this kind of way. And so had some really great mentors at Alfred University, including the vice president for student affairs and dean of students, Jerry Brody, at the the time, who mentored me throughout. And had residence hall directors who were supervisors of mine, had mentors in student activities. Shout out to Trish DeBertelis, who was very instrumental in her role as director of the campus center at the time at at Alfred in exposing me to what you could do in student affairs. Dr. Michael N. Christakis [00:04:03]: And so when I was about to graduate, was looking at grad programs, but was also sort of conscientious to the fact that I could maybe work in student affairs as a graduate assistant in this case and help pay for school, quite honestly. And so that's how I sort of entered the field, for lack of a better way of framing it. And then one thing led to another. I was a graduate hall director for a couple of years here, got my master's degree, ended up becoming a full time hall director for a year, led our first year experience program in the early 2000s, which feels like forever ago. In some ways, maybe before it was a thing. And then transitioned to leaving our apartment housing and actually building a 1,200 bed apartment complex in 02/2001, '2 thousand and '2. Did that for about five or six years, and then there were some transitions in the vice president's office in terms of leadership and was called by, at the time, the interim vice president on a Friday afternoon, I remember fairly vividly, inviting me to come to the office. And I remember my assistant at the time, Linda Rogers, says to me, you're gonna get an opportunity. Dr. Michael N. Christakis [00:05:06]: And I was like, I don't know I don't know why you're thinking that. And she was like, well, you know, why would they call you on a Friday afternoon to go to the VP's office? Dr. Jill Creighton [00:05:12]: There's really only two reasons there. Dr. Michael N. Christakis [00:05:14]: Yeah. I know. I know. It's I something's with the promotional opportunity. But, you know, Linda was right. And Chris Bouchard, who I'm I'm continue to be grateful for, offered me an opportunity to come to the VP's Office as assistant vice president. She was about to become interim VP, and she asked me to sort of lead c