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Author: Ryan Goss, Joshua Neoh

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Join legal scholars Ryan Goss and Joshua Neoh as they discuss public law and legal theory in their podcast, Secondary Rules. In each episode, Ryan and Joshua bring to life exciting cases, puzzles, and controversies from Australia and around the world - exploring some of the biggest questions facing any legal system, and the legal questions that define our democracy.

Ryan and Joshua are both associate professors at The Australian National University (ANU) College of Law in Canberra, teaching and researching Australian public law and legal theory. Whether you're a lawyer, a law student or just somebody interested in better understanding the legal world around us, Secondary Rules is a must-listen podcast.

Season 3: Ten(ish) Big Ideas
Season 2: Ten Great Cases.
Season 1: Two Great Courses.
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Is it over now?

Is it over now?

2024-10-2545:10

In our season finale, our 'big idea’ is ‘THE CONSTITUTION’: Joshua and Ryan offer a cruel and unusual discussion of constitutional change, foreign powers, the role of “random” unelected judges, and apologise to our French and Tasmanian listeners. Our reading for this week:The 8th AmendmentSue v Hill (1999)Breyer and Scalia on Judicial Interpretation Learn more about ANU Law here. Our thanks to the ANU College of Law and the ANU Centre for Learning and Teaching. The ANU acknowledges and celebrates the First Australians on whose traditional lands we meet, and pays our respect to elders past and present. 
This week’s ‘big idea’ is ‘SOVEREIGNTY’: Joshua and Ryan discuss Churchill, Guantanamo Bay, and Australian history.Our reading for this week:Churchill’s 'Blood, Toil, Tears and Sweat' speechCarl Schmitt in the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy“Even two world wars could not stop Australians casting their ballots, whether at home or on the battlefield” (Australian War Memorial)Learn more about ANU Law here. Our thanks to the ANU College of Law and the ANU Centre for Learning and Teaching. The ANU acknowledges and celebrates the First Australians on whose traditional lands we meet, and pays our respect to elders past and present. 
How You Get The Vote

How You Get The Vote

2024-10-1141:57

This week’s ‘big idea’ is ‘DEMOCRACY’: Joshua and Ryan discuss Ancient Athenian hillsides, marketing scams, Hare Clark with a Robson Rotation, and why Joshua doesn’t trust his neighbours. Our reading for this week:The Gettysburg Address (1863) | Constitution Center (Lincoln)How is the UK’s Brexit referendum different from Australian referendums? (Goss)The Tally Room podcast (Raue)Learn more about ANU Law here. Our thanks to the ANU College of Law and the ANU Centre for Learning and Teaching. The ANU acknowledges and celebrates the First Australians on whose traditional lands we meet, and pays our respect to elders past and present. 
Staters Gonna State

Staters Gonna State

2024-10-0440:08

This week’s ‘big idea’ is ‘The State’: Joshua and Ryan talk about mutual protection, whether states need territory, who is on the other side of the breathalyser, and what the French have to learn from giant sea monsters.Our reading for this week:Thomas Hobbes, LeviathanRobert Nozick, Anarchy, State, and UtopiaLeviathan (Wikipedia)Learn more about ANU Law here. Our thanks to the ANU College of Law and the ANU Centre for Learning and Teaching. The ANU acknowledges and celebrates the First Australians on whose traditional lands we meet, and pays our respect to elders past and present. 
This week’s ‘big idea’ is ‘The Rule of Law’: Joshua and Ryan thinking about chickens and ducks, the laws of cricket, and the mafia; and Joshua offers a few gratuitous reflections on the French.Further reading for this week:Waldron on the rule of lawLisa Burton Crawford on the rule of lawLon Fuller on King RexRemembering Prof Gardner (1965-2019)Learn more about ANU Law here. Our thanks to the ANU College of Law and the ANU Centre for Learning and Teaching. The ANU acknowledges and celebrates the First Australians on whose traditional lands we meet, and pays our respect to elders past and present. 
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