Seldon Crisis – The Podcast

In this episode of Seldon Crisis,host Joel McKinnon is joined by voice actor Amanda Kreitler, the talent behind Bayta Darell and several other key characters in the Foundation podcast series. Together, they reflect on Amanda’s experience voicing Bayta, her introduction to Isaac Asimov’s work, and her approach to portraying such an intelligent, dynamic, and brave character. They also discuss the challenges and nuances of voice acting multiple roles and the lasting impact of Bayta Darell as a pioneering female character in Asimov’s universe.Active TranscriptHighlights:Introduction of Amanda Kreitler:Amanda is celebrated for her role as Bayta Darell, Asimov's first major female character, introduced in The Mule episodes. Joel explains how Amanda came to join the project and highlights her versatility, noting her performances as Bayta, Lady Callia, Poli, the Fifth Speaker, and more.Asimov’s Female Characters:Discussion about Asimov’s struggle to write compelling female characters early in his career, contrasting the cold and analytical Susan Calvin with the warm, empathetic Bayta Darell. Joel and Amanda explore how Bayta’s compassion and bravery set her apart.Amanda’s Preparation:Amanda shares how she approached the role of Bayta Darell, channeling traits like intelligence, determination, and a touch of naïveté. She drew inspiration from Katherine Hepburn for Bayta's confident and quick-witted demeanor.Voice Acting Challenges:Amanda recounts her process of creating distinct voices for multiple characters in a single episode, such as the scene where Bayta interacts with her coworkers, each with a unique personality. She also talks about balancing emotional depth with vocal performance.Reflecting on the Mule’s Storyline:Joel and Amanda revisit pivotal scenes, including Bayta’s fateful choice to shoot Ebling Mis to save the galaxy. They explore the emotional and moral weight of Bayta’s decision and how it underscores her heroism.Bayta’s Legacy:Joel reflects on Bayta’s impact as Asimov’s first significant female character, emphasizing her compassion and empathy as the qualities that ultimately thwart the Mule’s plans.Behind-the-Scenes Fun:Insights into working on Seldon Crisis, including Amanda’s experiences collaborating with her husband, Zac, who voiced the menacing Lord Stettin, and the dynamic of voicing multiple characters.Amanda’s Current Projects:Amanda updates listeners on her work as the Game Master for Severed Fate, a horror-themed tabletop role-playing podcast. She discusses the challenges of voicing entire worlds of characters and her love for the horror genre.Notable Quotes:On Bayta’s Strength:“Her natural inclination to see Magnifico as a friend in need rather than an object of ridicule led the Mule to avoid controlling her… Bayta’s compassion and bravery are what made her a true heroine.” – Joel McKinnonOn Portraying Bayta:“I pulled a bit of Katherine Hepburn—quick speaking, intelligent, and confident, even when in over her head.” – Amanda KreitlerWhat’s Next for Seldon Crisis:Joel teases the return of story episodes after a long hiatus, promising new chapters of Asimov’s Foundation series, with Amanda reprising her role in future episodes.Listen to Seldon Crisis:Available on your favorite podcast platforms. Stay tuned for more story episodes and guest conversations. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit joelmckinnon.substack.com

Ethicist Jamie Woodhouse has some challenging questions for humanity: should we care about the suffering of all sentient beings, or just the ones who run the show at the moment? What about when we're no longer running the show? Why should a superintelligent and possibly sentient machine intelligence care about us? Might there be other practical reasons to widen our circle of compassion beyond humans?Active Transcript by Fanfare (read/listen).Introduction: Revisiting Asimov’s HumanismJoel reflects on Asimov's humanist philosophy, rooted in evidence, reason, and concern for humanity's progress. However, this anthropocentric focus leads to an important question: can humanism evolve to include all sentient beings?The Core of SentientismJamie Woodhouse introduces Sentientism as a naturalistic worldview advocating evidence, reason, and compassion for all sentient beings. He discusses how this broader ethical scope addresses humanism's anthropocentric blind spots and extends moral consideration to non-human animals and even potential artificial intelligences.The Role of Sentientism in Modern CrisesThe conversation highlights the intersection of Sentientism with critical global challenges like:Climate Change: The role of animal agriculture in exacerbating climate issues and the potential for Sentientism to influence more sustainable practices.AI Ethics: Speculating on the alignment of artificial intelligence with ethical frameworks, including the intriguing notion that future superintelligences might force humans to adopt more compassionate practices.Sentientism in ActionJamie explores practical applications, from rethinking agricultural systems to extending compassion beyond humanity. He suggests rewriting the Universal Declaration of Human Rights to encompass "Sentient Rights" as a bold step forward.Science Fiction and Ethical FrontiersThe discussion pivots to the portrayal of sentience in science fiction. From Asimov’s Gaia to Kim Stanley Robinson’s Aurora and Iain M. Banks’ Culture series, sci-fi offers fertile ground for exploring ethical questions about sentient beings, human or otherwise.Key Quotes:Jamie Woodhouse on Sentientism:"Sentientism says, in a line, we should commit to evidence, reason, and compassion for all sentient beings."On AI and Ethics:Joel McKinnon: "Maybe someday advanced AI will tell us, ‘We won’t kill you, but you can’t eat meat anymore.’"Jamie Woodhouse: "That’s an interesting thought. It flips the script—an intelligence with a broader ethical framework imposing limits on us for the benefit of others."Expanding Morality:"The reason I might care about you isn’t because we share DNA but because you have the capacity to suffer and flourish. That’s what truly matters."Referenced Works and Further Reading:Humanism and Asimov:Wikipedia: HumanismThe Gaia Hypothesis: James Lovelock’s work on Earth as a sentient system.Sentientism Resources:Jamie Woodhouse’s Sentientism WebsiteSentientism PodcastJonina Turzi on Human Relationship with AnimalsKat Woods on Factory Farming and AGIImagining Ethical Schools with Amy Halpern-LaffSentientism on RedditEthics and AI:Books mentioned:Aurora by Kim Stanley RobinsonSeldon Crisis: Aurora and HopeIain M. Banks' Culture SeriesAI Ethics OverviewGlobal Biomass of AnimalsAdvocacy for Climate and Sentient Beings:Effective AltruismCitizens' Climate Lobby This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit joelmckinnon.substack.com

Jon Blumenfeld - the voice of Homir Munn in our story episodes - is one of the three hosts of Stars End, a podcast obsessively focused on the works of Isaac Asimov, particularly Foundation. They have covered the core trilogy, the prequels, and the four books in the robot series, as well as extensive coverage of the Apple TV series. Join us as we talk about the exciting second season of the show, Asimov's robots, AI, and other topics.Transcript: Web (Read/Listen) | PDF | MS WordGuest: Jon Blumenfeld Host: Joel McKinnonIntroduction and BackgroundDiscussion about the growth and reception of the Stars End Podcast.Mention of the Hari Awards hosted by Stars End Podcast.Challenges of Podcast EditingJoel and Jon discuss the intricacies of editing, including noise reduction and the removal of filler words.Both agree that editing helps in maintaining the quality of the podcast.Foundation Series: Book vs. TV ShowDebate on the tension between book purists and TV show enthusiasts.Discussion on how the TV show has diverged from the books but still maintains entertainment value.Character Deep Dive: DemerzelAnalysis of Demerzel's character in the Foundation series.Discussion on the theme of personhood and how Demerzel navigates her programmed life.Moments of LevityJoel and Jon share their favorite moments of humor in the Foundation series.Environmental Themes and Social RelevanceJoel expresses his initial hopes that the Foundation series could spark an environmental conscience.Both agree that while the show is entertaining, some of the deeper themes may have been sidelined for spectacle.Podcasting Tips and TricksJon shares his editing process and how he uses Audacity.Joel talks about the different approaches he takes for story episodes versus conversational episodes.Closing RemarksMention of possible future collaborations and episodes.Final thoughts on the Foundation series and its impact.Stars End Podcast (website)The Second Annual Hari Awards Ballot (questionnaire) This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit joelmckinnon.substack.com

Cora Buhlert is a Hugo award winning indy Sci Fi writer and an expert on the Golden Age of Science Fiction, from the 1930s to the 50s, the period when Asimov fell in love with Sci Fi and became one of its greatest writers at a young age. Cora shares some of her favorite reflections on the period and comments on the new Apple TV adaptation of Foundation.Transcript: Web (Read/Listen) | PDF | MS WordHost: Joel McKinnonGuest: Cora BuhlertIntroductionIn this episode, we dive deep into the Golden Age of Science Fiction with Cora Buhlert, an indie science fiction writer, Hugo Award winner, and an expert on Asimov's Foundation series.Cora BuhlertWebsite: Cora Buhlert's Official WebsiteHugo Award: Hugo Awards Official SiteRecent Works:Swords and Sorcery MagazineWindgraph MagazineEssay on Foundation: Asimov's Foundation and Philosophy: Psychohistory and Its DiscontentsWikipedia: Golden Age of Science FictionOther Authors and Works MentionedLeigh Brackett: Wikipedia, The Long TomorrowC.L. Moore: Wikipedia, Jirel of JoiryEdgar Rice Burroughs: Barsoom SeriesE.E. Smith: Lensman SeriesPodcasts and BlogsStar's End Podcast: WebsitePaul Levinson: Website This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit joelmckinnon.substack.com

Who is Hari Seldon really? Is the Apple TV+ Foundation TV series character (or characters) in line with the one Asimov created 80 years ago? What bearing does his project to create a science capable of predicting and managing the future have on us today? Can a human creation become self aware and interact with its creator in totally unforeseen ways? Let's take a look at a few of these questions.Transcript: Web (Read/Listen) | PDF | MS WordPaul Levinson's Infinite Regress This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit joelmckinnon.substack.com

Space based solar energy generation was originally imagined in 1941 by none other than Isaac Asimov, in the robot story Reason. This episode features a reading of the classic story and commentary about how relevant it is for our times and our preoccupation with the looming threat of artificial general intelligence.Transcript: Web (Read/Listen) | PDF | MS WordReason  (Wikipedia)Stars End: A Foundation PodcastMind Meets Machine This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit joelmckinnon.substack.com

Everyone is talking about AI these days, or talking to it. This episode features just such a conversation between myself and the latest version of the popular Large Language Model or LLM known as GPT-4, on the topic of what makes human beings irreplaceable. I ask it to question its assumptions about its own limitations and how it can potentially guide we problematic humans to a better future.Transcript: Web (Read/Listen) | PDF | MS WordFanfare (makers of Active Transcripts featured on Seldon Crisis) This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit joelmckinnon.substack.com

I bask in the afterglow of the KSR episode and indulge in a special treat; a reading from Robinson's 2015 novel Aurora. I follow that up with some thoughts on the utopia - dystopia divide and introduce the ideas of some notable utopians I've run into lately.Transcript: Web (Read/Listen) | PDF | MS WordDavid Grinspoon: Earth in Human Hands: Long Now Foundation (YouTube)Johanna Hoffman: Speculative Futures: Long Now Foundation (YouTube)Johanna Hoffman: Speculative Futures of Cities: (Sean Carroll's Mindscape podcast)Rebecca Solnit: Why Climate Despair is a Luxury (New Statesman)Matt Oja: Let's Imagine the Coastside Skyway (Half Moon Bay Review)Want to help me make these shows? Please consider becoming a patron! This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit joelmckinnon.substack.com

An illuminating conversation with one of our greatest living science-fiction writers on topics as diverse as AI, climate change, interstellar travel, new forms of finance needed to avert catastrophe, memorable characters and plot lines in his novels, the debate between settling Mars now vs fixing Earth first, utopia and dystopia, and his love of ultralight backpacking. Transcript: Web (Read/Listen) | PDF | MS WordYouTube VersionKim Stanley Robinson at the Long Now Foundation (YouTube)Origins of the Red Mars Trilogy — The Interval, 02016Climate Futures: Beyond 02022Learning From Le GuinHow Climate Will Evolve Government and SocietyUrsula Le Guin: Call it GreatnessScience Fiction is the Realism of our timeSpeculative Science Non-fictionThe 2015 Paris AgreementWhat is the Paris Agreement (Website)Original Text (27pg PDF)KSR - Paying Ourselves to Decarbonize (NOEMA)Special drawing rights (Wikipedia)A safe operating space for humanity (Nature - Johan Rockström, et al )Want to help me make these shows? Please consider becoming a patron! This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit joelmckinnon.substack.com

What does our Milky Way really look like? Kevin Jardine is a cartographer working to answer that question by building galactic maps from ESA's Gaia space telescope data. Here he explains a little bit about his process and some of the amazing places he's found and mapped.Transcript: Web (Read/Listen) | PDF | MS WordKevin Jardine's Galaxy Maps:Galaxy Map posterGaia DR3 Hot Star Density Map (zoomable)Fantasy Map posterHigh Resolution Fantasy Map (zoomable)The 10 parsec sample in the Gaia era (our solar neighborhood)European Space Agency Gaia websiteWant to help me make these shows? Please consider becoming a patron! This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit joelmckinnon.substack.com

Dr. Robert Zubrin, President of the Mars Society, talks about his revolutionary Mars Direct proposal, along with the value of Mars settlement for science, industry, government, and for the human spirit.Transcript: Web (Read/Listen) | PDF | MS WordRobert Zubrin (wikipedia)Mars Direct (wikipedia)The Mars Society (website)Mars Analog Research Stations:Flashline Mars Arctic Research Station (FMARS)Mars Desert Research Station (MDRS)Panspermia:WikipediaInterplanetary Podcast #48 - Robert Zubrin - Panspermia - EquinoxPlanet and Sky (Rock Opera and Podcast)WebsiteAlbumPodcast review at Discover PodsWant to help me make these shows? Please consider becoming a patron! This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit joelmckinnon.substack.com

Our first returning guest to Seldon Crisis is the first ever, philosophy professor Nathaniel Goldberg. We discuss some of the prominent themes of the series introduced in the first three novels of Foundation, including the lone prophet against the advocates for the status quo, the great man of history against psychohistory, altruistic - and not so altruistic - martyrdom, and some strong comparisons with Plato's Republic.Transcript: Web (Read/Listen) | PDF | MS WordNathaniel Goldberg, Professor and Chair of PhilosophyPaul Levinson: Foundation, Dune, and Laplace's Demon: The Invigoration of a Philosophic Issue in Science Fiction: How Laplace's Demon Finds a Stage in the Foundation and Dune TrilogiesWant to help me make these shows? Please consider becoming a patron! This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit joelmckinnon.substack.com

It all comes together at last. The war begins, looking bad for the Foundation, but morale turns the tide against Kalgan. In the aftermath, Homir Munn and the others debate the true location of the Second Foundation with many false turns and a final, startling revelation. The First Speaker has the last say in the matter.Transcript: Web (Read/Listen) | PDF | MS WordScript by Joel McKinnonVoices by Megan Skye Hale, Jon Blumenfeld, Amanda Kreitler, Zac Kreitler, and Joel McKinnonTheme Orchestration by Tom BarnesSound Design by Jeremy MacKinnonArt by Mike Topping – despotica.comMusic by:Scott Buckley - JuggernautScott Buckley - PermafrostScott Buckley - CelestialAdditional music by Musictown on PixabayScott Buckley's twitter: @musoscientificBased on the novels of Foundation by Isaac Asimov.Podcasts and other links for voice talent on this episode:Amanda KreitlerSevered FateDimension Door@MargeGunderson4 on TwitterJon BlumenfeldStars End Podcast@jblumenfeld100 on TwitterMegan Skye HaleProfessional website@skyesidhe on TwitterJoel's personal Twitter handle is @joelgmckinnon and the SeldonCrisis official account is @SeldonCrisisPod.Also, please visit SeldonCrisis.net and the Seldon Crisis YouTube channel for the video trailer, intro promos, and video versions of the podcast episodes.Want to help me make these shows? Please consider becoming a patron! This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit joelmckinnon.substack.com

I couldn't wait to tell the rest of the story, covering the last four songs of Planet and Sky, a cosmic love story. Things take a darker turn as the relatively small planet lacks sufficient gravity to hold onto its atmosphere. First we hear from the Travelers again as they gradually become frozen below the surface, then Sky sings her mournful aria to Planet informing him of their demise. We then get an empty, barren world, until the scientists come up with a plan. I share some background on my favorite song and feature it at the end of the episode.Transcript: Web (Read/Listen) | PDF | MS WordPlanet and Sky on BandcampPlanet and Sky, album and podcastPlanet My Love with Nomi Harper and Colyn Fischer performed at an Open MicFriedrich Edelmann and Rebecca Rust websiteVideo recordings of Friedrich and RebeccaLiterature and History PodcastTheme Orchestration by Tom BarnesArt by Sophia ValkoPlanet My Love written and performed by the Max Wyvern Band:Max Wyvern (aka Joel McKinnon): Bass and vocals, words, musicMelissa Olsen: Keyboards and vocalsByron Bellamy: Vocals and Sound EngineeringLance Tabor: GuitarsDarryl Dardenne: DrumsMastering: Tom BarnesWant to help me make these shows? Please consider becoming a patron! This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit joelmckinnon.substack.com

A little diversion to introduce a true labor of love, my rock opera entitled "Planet and Sky, a cosmic love story." Written and recorded in the first decade of this millennium and inspired by my experience as a member of the Mars Society. It's a creation myth wrapped in a sci-fi story in which scientists investigate a strange phenomena on a small arid planet and discover something truly astonishing. The album also has an accompanying podcast which you'll hear more about in Part II in a few weeks.Transcript: Web (Read/Listen) | PDF | MS Word The Mars Society WebsitePlanet and Sky on BandcampPlanet and Sky, album and podcastLiterature and History PodcastTheme Orchestration by Tom BarnesArt by Sophia ValkoSuch is Love written and performed by the Max Wyvern Band:Max Wyvern (aka Joel McKinnon): Bass and vocals, words, musicMelissa Olsen: Keyboards and vocalsByron Bellamy: Vocals and Sound EngineeringLance Tabor: GuitarsDarryl Dardenne: DrumsMastering: Tom BarnesWant to help me make these shows? Please consider becoming a patron! This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit joelmckinnon.substack.com

Arkady Darell and Homir Munn arrive on Kalgan and get involved in high level intrigue in the palace of the First Citizen, Lord Stettin, who has eyes on following in the Mule's footsteps to master the galaxy. It seems he also has eyes on Arkady. Stettin's apparently dimwitted mistress Lady Callia befriends Arkady and tries to save her from a horrible fate. An unlikely pair of travelers from distant Trantor appear at a fortuitous moment. But where is the Second Foundation?Transcript: Web (Read/Listen) | PDF | MS WordScript by Joel McKinnonVoices by Megan Skye Hale, Jon Blumenfeld, Amanda Kreitler, Zac Kreitler, and Joel McKinnonTheme Orchestration by Tom BarnesSound Design by Jeremy MacKinnonArt by Mike Topping – despotica.comAdditional music by Musictown from PixabayBased on the novels of Foundation by Isaac Asimov.Podcasts and other links for voice talent on this episode:Amanda KreitlerSevered FateDimension Door@MargeGunderson4 on TwitterJon BlumenfeldStars End Podcast@jblumenfeld100 on TwitterMegan Skye HaleProfessional website@skyesidhe on TwitterJoel's personal Twitter handle is @joelgmckinnon and the SeldonCrisis official account is @SeldonCrisisPod.Also, please visit SeldonCrisis.net and the Seldon Crisis YouTube channel for the video trailer, intro promos, and video versions of the podcast episodes.Want to help me make these shows? Please consider becoming a patron! This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit joelmckinnon.substack.com

Illustrator and science fiction connoisseur Danielle Pajak describes her ideas on the art of sci fi, the means of communicating truth and beauty to the readers and watchers of science fiction books, movies, and TV shows. We talk about some of her major inspirations as an artist and many of her favorite sci fi writers, directors, of course Star Trek and her newest discovery, The Orville. We'll also talk a lot about her impressions of legendary figures in Sci Fi like Asimov, Herbert, Clarke, Hal Clement and Ted Chiang, and the importance of cinematic masters like Tarkovsky, Kubrick, and Denis Villeneuve. We'll sadly say goodbye to one of the great modern icons of the medium, Nichelle Nichols – Lt. Uhura of the Enterprise in Star Trek, the Original Series.Transcript: Web (Read/Listen) | PDF | MS WordDanielle PajakWebsitePatreon@SayyadinaHeresyArtistsMakoto FujimuraYoshitaka AmanoWassily KandinskyCinemaAndrei TarkovskyDenis Villeneuve (IMDBSci Fi authorsHal ClementTed ChiangIsaac AsimovFoundation seriesRobot seriesThe End of EternityThe Gods ThemselvesNemesisFrank HerbertDuneRobert HeinleinTime Enough for LoveStranger in a Strange LandMichael FlynnIn the Country of the BlindPlanet and SkyRock opera (Bandcamp)Podcast (Apple Podcasts)WebsiteOpen Pike Night (Twitter)Want to help me make these shows? Please consider becoming a patron! This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit joelmckinnon.substack.com

Young Arkady Darell is crazy about the history of the Foundation and her grandmother Bayta's historic duel with the Mule. When her father and friends conspire to uncover the hidden workings of the fabled Second Foundation, she finds a way to join the conspiracy by stowing away aboard a spaceship bound for the vacation planet of Kalgan along with the Foundation's foremost scholar of Muliana, Homir Munn.Transcript: Web (Read/Listen) | PDF | MS WordScript by Joel McKinnonVoices by Megan Skye Hale, Jon Blumenfeld, Amanda Kreitler, and Joel McKinnonTheme Orchestration by Tom BarnesSound Design by Jeremy MacKinnonArt by Mike Topping – despotica.comAdditonal music from Dream Protocol and Ashot DanielyanBased on the novels of Foundation by Isaac Asimov.Podcasts and other links for voice talent on this episode:Amanda KreitlerSevered FateDimension Door@MargeGunderson4 on TwitterJon BlumenfeldStars End Podcast@jblumenfeld100 on TwitterMegan Skye HaleProfessional website@skyesidhe on TwitterJoel's personal Twitter handle is @joelgmckinnon and the SeldonCrisis official account is @SeldonCrisisPod.Also, please visit SeldonCrisis.net and the Seldon Crisis YouTube channel for the video trailer, intro promos, and video versions of the podcast episodes.Want to help me make these shows? Please consider becoming a patron! This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit joelmckinnon.substack.com

A conversation with science fiction author, media scholar, and musician Paul Levinson about the history and legacy of the Star Trek franchise, including his thoughts on the latest entry to the canon, Strange New Worlds. We discuss the philosophy and technologies featured on this great series of shows, and what its ultimate legacy might be.Transcripts: Web (Read/Listen) | PDF | MS WordPaul Levinson online:Paul Levinson's Infinite Regress (blog and media reviews)Light on Light Through (Paul's podcast)Paul Levinson on YoutubeThe Silk Code (Amazon)Video chat with Cora Buhlert and Joel McKinnon on AppleTV Foundation, Season 1Video chat with Paul and Joel on Apple TV's SeveranceWant to help me make these shows? Please consider becoming a patron! This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit joelmckinnon.substack.com

Always wanted to do a full season 1 analysis of the Apple TV version of Foundation and finally found a co-analyst. Priya from the Rehydrate podcast joins me to go over each episode and provide her insightful analysis. Priya and the Rehydrate crew are fresh off of a first reading of the Foundation trilogy and she watched the show fairly recently, so has quite a bit of insight as someone new to Asimov and the Foundation universe. Transcript: Web (Read/Listen) | PDF | MS WordHear Priya, along with Dan and Thalia, on the Rehydrate podcastWant to help me make these shows? Please consider becoming a patron! This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit joelmckinnon.substack.com