Shepherding Talk

Churches should not celebrate what God does not tolerate. Today’s podcast is a recent sermon I preached on the Why of Church Discipline. What we see in 1 Corinthians 5 is Paul’s clear instructions from the God about how we as a congregation are to help each other follow Him. The-Why-of-Church-DisciplineDownload

Romans 16:3-5 – Greet Prisca and Aquila, my fellow workers in Christ Jesus, who risked their necks for my life, to whom not only I give thanks but all the churches of the Gentiles give thanks as well. Greet also the church in their house. They aren’t flashy, their names aren’t in lights. They’re not out front. They are living and serving among the people. This describes those that lead from the middle. Their influence is felt in the scores of people around them that have been greatly influenced. This term “leading from the middle” is one I learned from a fellow preacher, Mike Sullivan, as he was describing the life and influence of our dear friends that recently died. Brett and Wendy Kincaid were these types of people, leading from the middle. In today’s podcast we will consider an incredible Christian couple in the Bible named Priscilla and Aquila. They weren’t out front like Paul or Apollos, but as you read the pages of Acts and the letters of Paul you can see their powerful influence in Rome, Ephesus and Corinth. They led from the middle. They lived among the people. They risked their necks for Paul, served the brethren and loved the Lord Jesus.

Thriving Churches or Dying Churches: What Determines the Difference? Join Max Dawson, Don Truex, Rickie Jenkins and Roger Shouse as they share their wisdom and experience on this critical question! Here is a great article written by Roger Shouse about this panel discussion. Jump Start # 3318 jumpstartsdaily.com John 10:11 “I am the good shepherd; the good shepherd lays down His life for the sheep.”   I want to share with you a most incredible experience I had recently. My wonderful son in the faith, Aaron Kemple, who preaches at Dowlen Road in Texas arranged for a special video leadership panel discussion with four preachers. The topic was “Why are some churches thriving and others dying.” The panel of preachers had submitted a series of questions that dealt with the aspects of thriving and dying. All of the preachers spoke on each question. The culture of a church, the role of leaders, the value of people, evangelism, developing a legacy, excellence, vision, dealing with change were many of the topic discussed.  On the panel was Max Dawson, one of the front runners in understanding the Biblical concept of shepherding; Don Truex, my true friend in heart, who has crisscrossed the country talking about shepherding; Rickie Jenkins, not a truer friend in the world, who understands shepherding at the core; and myself. Not only are we all dear, dear friends, we all have within our DNA the heart of true shepherding and developing thriving churches.   There are core differences between churches that are thriving and churches that are dying. Everyone wants the church to grow. But how? Vision. Planning. Culture. Excellence. Legacy. Those are all the key components that determine whether one talks about thriving or one truly thrives.   Laced throughout the hour long discussion are tons of practical, useful ideas that can help. I am biased about this program. I wish something like this was done years ago. How useful, helpful and beneficial this will be for so many congregations.   Moving from point A to point B, just how is that done? How can we help the next generation to be strong, faithful and committed to the Lord? This Thriving or Dying program will help.   Here are some suggestions:   First, go to the Dowlen Road website or their Facebook page and under their Monday Bible studies you will find, “Thriving or Dying—panel discussion.” Watch it. Watch it with pen and paper. It’s a bit over an hour long but it will be beneficial for you. Churches are dying and no one knows what to do. Churches are closing the door for the last and final time and people scratch their heads wondering what happened. Thriving or dying—it’s more than talk. It’s not the location. It’s leadership. It’s vision. It’s planning. It’s getting to the core elements of what we are about.   Second, share this video with your preachers and shepherds. Encourage them to watch it. From that, conversations ought to take place about what needs to be done to help your congregation become healthy, thriving and growing. Much too often, the hope is placed in finding the right preacher. Like the ole’ cowboy Westerns, hiring a gun to clean up our mess may make a great movie, but it doesn’t work with a congregation. Getting everyone on board is important. Creating an atmosphere of excellence is a must.    Third, use this panel study for a study among members. Great questions and great ideas flow from this.   It is wonderful to know that there is help out there. It is wonderful to know that one can find resources that will make a lasting difference. If we keep doing what we’ve always done, then we will get what we have always gotten. One doesn’t have to remain stuck in what they are doing. One does not have to settle for average. God gave His best, so we ought to do our best. Our pride often keeps us from seeking help. Shepherds ought to have their own studies on these things. What do we have to do to become a thriving congregation? Spend some time thinking about that. Where do we begin? What’s first on the list? Without a plan, without a direction, a congregation will just flounder and fail.  Fourth, if you really want to try something unique, invite all five of the panel to come and preach about leadership, legacy and excelling in the Lord. That’s different. But, why not? Why not do something special that can truly lay the foundation for a better way of serving the Lord.   If we found out that we had a serious medical condition, we’d do more than just hope things got better. If it meant driving to Mayo Clinic, we’d do that. If it meant seeing the best in the field, we’d do that. And, yet, when it comes to the spiritual life of our congregations, we don’t want to do anything too outside the box or different. Why?   The good Shepherd in John 10 was willing to lay down his life for the sheep. What are we willing to do for the sheep? Would we be willing to travel to a congregation that is thriving and sit down with the leaders and have a real and serious conversation about what they are doing? Would we be willing to take a weekend and invite someone to come and spend time with the shepherds to help them develop a healthy culture?   The good Shepherd would lay down his life. What are you wiling to do for the sheep? The very answer to that question may determine how serious one is about thriving or dying. The very answer might determine if we thrive or if we die. The website: Downlenroad.com. Go to the Youtube link. MNS—Thriving churches or dying churches. That’s the starting point. Roger

“Tell me and I forget, teach me and I may remember, involve me and I learn.” Ancient Chinese Proverb In the Greek story, Odyssey, it was told that Odysseus, was setting out for war in Troy. He entrusted his house and the education of his son, Telemachus, to a friend named Mentor. Telemachus became the student and trainee of the man named Mentor. Simply put, a mentor is a counselor, teacher and guide. We’ve had them in many ways in life. Parents and grandparents. School teachers. Coaches. Spiritual leaders. Managers. In the trades, there are many apprenticeship programs which is a mentoring process to learn a specific trade. This mentoring relationship is critical to our growth in any aspect of life. You are who you are today because of those who took you under their wings and shaped you into the person you are. Mentoring is needed in any aspect of life. For the purposes of this article, I’m going to focus on the spiritual side of things. We need to ask the question, “Why is mentoring needed?” #1 Because God commands it. The point is basic and obvious, but you must see this. Have you thought about the fact that God is generationally minded? The Lord clearly is concerned about perpetuating His character and ways from generation to generation. And He knows this happens through the mentoring process. The phase “Thou Shalt Mentor” is not found in Scripture, but here are commands you do see that directly relate to mentoring. Go therefore and make disciples…teaching them (Matthew 28:19-20). Commit (entrust) these things to faithful men so they can teach others also (2 Timothy 2:2). Show yourself a model of good works (Titus 2:7-8). Elders, be “examples to the flock” others will observe your conduct and follow you (1 Peter 5:1-4; Hebrews 13:7). Fathers train your children up in God’s ways (Ephesians 6:4). Older men and women are to “train” the younger generation (Titus 2:1-6, side point, this is what Paul calls in verse 1, “sound doctrine”). Look at what Moses was told by God to do for Joshua. “But charge Joshua, and encourage and strengthen him, for he shall go over at the head of this people, and he shall put them in possession of the land that you shall see.” (Deuteronomy 3:28). Wow, it sure sounds like God is deeply concerned with mentoring! It sure sounds like God wants us to be actively engaged in shaping the next generation. #2 You will not live forever. “The former priests were many in number, because they were prevented by death from continuing in office” (Hebrews 7:23). Please meditate on the wording of that passage you just read. There were many priests, but why? Because death stopped them from doing their job. Someone else had to take on the responsibility. That’s the way of the world. You can’t change it. We die, someone else comes along and takes our place. We see this throughout the Bible. A priest died, another took his office. The same with judges, prophets and kings. When King Saul died, David took his place. King David died, then Solomon became the next king. Elijah went to be with God, Elisha picked up the mantle of leadership and picked up where Elijah left off. This was true for Moses, too. Although Moses tried to bargain with God and change his mind. Moses wanted so badly to be the one to take the people into the promised land. You may not know this, but God became angry with Moses for this. God said, “Moses, go up to the mountain, look at the promised land. Here’s what going to happen. Once you do that, you will die and Joshua will take your place. So mentor Joshua and encourage him” (Deuteronomy 3:23-28; Numbers 27:12-13). What are God’s first words to Joshua in Joshua 1:2? “Moses my servant is dead.” Moses’ death left Israel in need of a new leader. Thanks to God’s heart for his people he trained Moses to train Joshua. Moses shepherded and mentored Joshua for 40 years. Only after that was Joshua was ready to take on the mantle of leadership. Newsflash – One day you will not be here. Your death will by necessity require a successor. You will, like King David, “go the way of all the earth” (1 Kings 1). Whether or not we are prepared for it, it will happen. Whether or not I try to deny it or delay it, one day I will be pushing up the daisies. Either we will work now to get people prepared for that day or our death will leave the people around us in chaos unprepared. You know, Dave Ramsey says, “If you hate your family, die without a will.” I’ll add, if you hate your church, die without preparing the next generation. #3 Things are better shown than told. How do you really know love? Because God defined it for you? Because you read it in a book? No, because God demonstrated His love toward us (Romans 5:8). We love because He first loved us. He showed us how! How did Jesus become a carpenter (Mark 6:3)? He was a carpenter’s son (Matthew 13:55). How did the apostles know what true humble servant leadership looks like? Because Jesus had given them an example (John 13:12-17). Jesus specifically chose these men, handpicked them so that they might “be with him” (Mark 3:14), and his goal was for them to be just like him (Luke 6:40). How did the Christians in Rome know how to follow Jesus? Because the elders, the shepherd leaders of the church set an example for them (1 Peter 5:1-4). How did the Philippians know how to follow Jesus? Because Paul and others had set a pattern for them (Philippians 3:17-19). Look at how the Philippians were mentored by Paul “What you have learned and received and heard and seen in me—practice these things, and the God of peace will be with you” (Philippians 4:9). He showed them, he didn’t just tell them. Paul said it very succinctly: Imitate me as I imitate Christ (1 Corinthians 11:1). We have to get it out of our language, out of our thinking that telling people is enough. I preached that. So what, Aaron, did you show them? I told my wife. Did you show her? I told my kids. Did you show them? I told the brethren. Did you show them? I told the deacons. Did you show them? I told the young people. Did you show them? I told those weak members. Did you show them? #4 The great work is multiplied. Many hands make light work – John Heywood. Do you have an idea of how many Israelites were in the wilderness under Moses’ leadership? We can’t be for certain, but we do know that the men over 20 who could go to war numbered 603,550. That was not counting the Levites, women, children, disabled and elderly. We easily are talking millions of Israelites. Next question. How many people were hearing complaints of those millions? One. Moses. All by himself. Let’s dive into Exodus 18:13-26 and learn the lesson Moses learned on multiplying the workers. Here is the opening scene. The next day Moses sat to judge the people, and the people stood around Moses from morning till evening. What was Moses doing? All day long he answered people’s problems, from morning until evening. Just Moses. All day long. I’m tired just thinking about it. Some wise person, however, was observing all of this and assessed the situation. It was Moses’ father-in-law, Jethro. After watching for awhile, Jethro asked Moses some questions. “What is this you are doing for the people? Why are you doing this all alone, and why does everyone stand around you?” In other words, what are you doing and why are you doing it? Moses explained his actions by saying, “The people are coming to me to inquire of God, and when they come they have disputes, and I settle them and teach them God’s laws.” Did Moses have great motives? Yes. Was he doing this fully believing it was the right thing for him to do as a leader? Yes. Was he right? No! What was Jethro’s diagnosis? He said, “What you are doing is not good. You and the people with you will certainly wear yourselves out. For the thing is too heavy for you. You are not able to do it alone.” It isn’t good for Moses or for the people. Think of the logistical nightmare of one man answering million’s of problems. Not to mention what that did for Moses on a physical and mental level. But this isn’t good for Israel, either. They will all get worn out. What about the culture of unhealthy dependency upon a single man? Moses simply cannot do this by himself. Millions of people…one Moses. This isn’t going to work. Think of what happens to a preacher, a parent, a CEO, elder, etc. when they are carrying far more than their burden. Burnout. All kinds of diseases. And look at the culture created in those organizations, teams and families when too much is centered on one person or a select few. Not healthy. Jethro’s solution: Know your job, Moses. Teach the people to do their job. Stay in your lane, Moses! First of all, Moses has to understand that he has one main responsibility that no one in Israel but him can fill. Moses represents the people before God. He was Israel’s mediator. This was Moses’ primary job. Jethro is advising him to remember to focus on what God specifically called him to do. Then notice Jethro’s advice on mentoring and delegation – Teach them…Place them…Let them. Teach them and warn them. Moses was to bring God’s law to the people of Israel. Then he could look among the people to find men who were faithful and had integrity. He then placed them in authority over thousands, hundreds, fifties and tens. And then he had to “let them” judge the people at all times. Every great matter they would bring to Moses. But any small matter they were empowered to decide themselves. Jethro was helping Moses design an appellate court system. They all decide the small cases. Anything that can’t get settled eventually comes to him. But this is a critical point to get: The people couldn’t “judge small matters” if Moses did not first “teach them” “place them” and “let them.” The mentoring process had to happen to equip them to do the work. What are the be

In a rapidly changing culture, we need church leaders like those from Issachar. Those who “understand the times.” Of Issachar, men who had understanding of the times, to know what Israel ought to do, 200 chiefs, and all their kinsmen under their command (1 Chronicles 12:32). Join Max Dawson and me for the 2nd half of our discussion on Leadership in a Changing Culture.

Change is very unkind to those who are unprepared – Max Dawson Join Max Dawson and me for the first in a two part discussion on Leadership in a Changing Culture.

Did God design marriage for more than simple companionship and temporary happiness? Of course! He designed it for our holiness and for His glory. Join us as Reuben Prevost and I talk about Gary Thomas’ great book called, “Sacred Marriage.”

When someone says that we need to be about the work of the kingdom, we might immediately say “Amen” to it. But when I say, “work of the kingdom,” what comes to mind? If you and I sat down for dinner tomorrow evening, and I told you that I was doing kingdom work today, what are your first thoughts about what I was doing? Today’s podcast is a sermon I preached on “Kingdom Work.” Hope this helps. Kingdom-Work-HandoutDownload

Do you have trouble saying “No”? Do you struggle with boundaries? This book, Boundaries, by Dr. Henry Cloud and Dr. John Townsend is perfect for you! Reuben Prevost and I discuss boundaries in relationships, and how even God sets boundaries!

Listen to this great discussion with Jordan Shouse about the man’s role as a refuge. We as men imitate Jesus when we are a refuge, a safe place, for those around us.

Why was man driven out of the Garden of Eden by God? What happened, and what can we learn about this in connection to God’s design for Biblical Manhood? Genesis 3:23-24 – therefore the LORD God sent him out from the garden of Eden to work the ground from which he was taken. He drove out the man, and at the east of the garden of Eden he placed the cherubim and a flaming sword that turned every way to guard the way to the tree of life.

Jordan Shouse leads a great study and discussion on some key things that every child needs to be taught by his or her parents before leaving home.

There may be may reasons why someone hasn’t joined a local church. Aaron in this episode explains from God’s word why it’s so important to be part of a local community of believers. Why-Join-a-Local-ChurchDownload

Legacy is the product of preparation – Jordan Shouse Just as Moses spent 4 decades preparing Joshua and grooming him for leadership, we also must look to the future and think of our spiritual legacy. Jordan Shouse shares some wonderful thoughts from God’s word on this podcast about legacy. Deuteronomy 3:28 – “But charge Joshua, and encourage and strengthen him, for he shall go over at the head of this people, and he shall put them in possession of the land that you shall see.”

For an overseer, as God’s steward, must be above reproach (Titus 1:7). What is an overseer in the local church? What does he do? What does the Bible (both Old and New Testament) teach about the concept of having oversight? In this lesson, you will see that an overseer is not an owner, nor an overlord, nor is he an over-doer. He is to be a steward (manager) of God’s house, a soul-watcher in God’s family, and a servant as part of God’s team. Our-Local-Church-Leaders-Part-3-The-OverseerDownload

A Challenging Place…A Challenging Task…Challenging Relationships…and a Challenging Timeline. This is what Titus faced as he ministered on the Mediterranean island of Crete (the summary of Titus provided by Phillip Shumake). A bunch of lazy, gluttonous, idolatrous Cretans who acted like animals were turned around by the Savior and His grace through the preaching of Titus. Reuben Prevost, Larry Greenlee and I will discuss this very important letter from the apostle Paul to the young evangelist Titus.

Roger Shouse directs our attention to how Jesus shaped, trained and patiently mentored the 12 apostles. Mark 3:13-14 – And he went up on the mountain and called to him those whom he desired, and they came to him. And he appointed twelve (whom he also named apostles) so that they might be with him and he might send them out to preach…

Max Dawson and I discuss the prophet Elijah and a very low point in his life. How did God help Elijah through this dark valley and what can we learn from it. Join us as we look into lessons from 1 Kings 19. 1 Kings 19:9-10 – There he came to a cave and lodged in it. And behold, the word of the LORD came to him, and he said to him, “What are you doing here, Elijah?” He said, “I have been very jealous for the LORD, the God of hosts. For the people of Israel have forsaken your covenant, thrown down your altars, and killed your prophets with the sword, and I, even I only, am left, and they seek my life, to take it away.”

The United States Supreme Court recently overturned Roe V. Wade, a nearly 50 year old Supreme Court decision regarding abortion rights. This podcast is a lesson I presented on addressing this pivotal question, “What Now?” Roe-Vs-Wade-What-NowDownload

Roger Shouse leads this insightful discussion on Shepherds and the need to clearly communicate with the flock, just as God clearly communicates. No longer do I call you servants, for the servant does not know what his master is doing; but I have called you friends, for all that I have heard from my Father I have made known to you (John 15:15).