Song Revolution with John Chisum

Song Revolution Podcast - Season 3, Episode 4 Episode Title: Galen Crew: To China with Love Host: John Chisum   Special Guest: Galen Crew, Singer-Songwriter and Producer   Episode Highlights: Meet Galen Crew: Nashville-raised artist and songwriter with an inspiring global reach. Viral success in China, with over a billion streams across his catalog. Collaboration with legendary British songwriter Roger Cook, known for "I'd Like to Teach the World to Sing." The Road to Music City: Growing up in Franklin, Tennessee, surrounded by the Christian music scene. Early songwriting inspired by personal experiences, including his parents' divorce. Crafting a Unique Musical Identity: Fusing fantasy, fairy tale, and mythological themes into his music. Inspirations from Tolkien, C.S. Lewis, and Hermann Hesse. The journey from a local rock band to a solo artist with global appeal. Going Viral in China: The unexpected success of "Sleepy Head" on Chinese music platforms like NetEase and Tencent. Navigating international music markets and learning to connect with a diverse audience. Touring China, performing for dedicated fans, and bridging cultural gaps with music and language. Collaborations and Mentorship: The serendipitous connection with Roger Cook through Galen's grandfather. Writing and producing songs like "Sleepy Head" with Roger Cook. Learning the art of storytelling in songwriting. Lessons for Songwriters: Embracing creativity and authenticity in your music. Encouragement to step out of your comfort zone and share your unique voice. Exploring global opportunities and being open to unexpected paths.   Key Takeaways: Music transcends borders, with the potential to connect with audiences worldwide. Authenticity in your art can carve new lanes beyond traditional industry expectations. Leveraging the digital age to expand your reach is more accessible than ever.   Featured Tracks: Sleepy Head – A viral hit in China with a whimsical, fairy-tale theme. Explore Galen Crew's music on Spotify, NetEase, and other platforms.   Get Involved: Check out Galen Crew's music and follow his inspiring journey. Join the NCS Community for coaching, resources, and inspiration to revolutionize your songwriting. Download the NCS 2025 Songwriting Challenge Guide to take your craft to the next level.   Next Week's Episode: Celebrating the power of community and collaboration in songwriting with a special guest from the Nashville scene. Connect With Us: Website: NashvilleChristianSongwriters.com Social Media: Facebook | Instagram Support the Show: If you enjoyed this episode, leave us a review and share it with your fellow songwriters!  

Song Revolution Podcast - Season 3, Episode 3 Episode Title: John Chisum: Discovering Your Hidden Songwriting Genius Host: John Chisum   Episode Highlights: Celebrating a Decade of Songwriting Excellence: Reflecting on 10 years of Nashville Christian Songwriters (NCS) and 42 years in Christian music for John Chisum. Announcement of the 30th-anniversary edition of "Firm Foundation," set for release this month. 2025 Songwriting Challenge: A free year-long program to help Christian songwriters develop one new skill per month. Includes monthly free training sessions, resources, and a downloadable guide. Encouragement to set a "giant intention" for songwriting growth this year. Discovering Your Songwriting Zone of Genius: Insights inspired by Gay Hendricks' book The Big Leap. Identifying whether you're a producer, lyricist, technician, or big idea person. Strategies for maximizing strengths and collaborating to address weaknesses. Community and Coaching Opportunities: Overview of NCS programs, including one-on-one coaching, group coaching, and artist development programs. Introduction to the NCS Collective, a record label supporting emerging Christian songwriters. Music Showcase: Sneak peeks of music produced through the NCS Collective, including "Mighty God" featuring Kobe James and "You Are The One" by Bonnie Barbet. Examples of world-class music from songwriters empowered by NCS coaching programs. Practical Songwriting Advice: Avoiding common mistakes like premature production of underdeveloped songs. Understanding the importance of proper song form and market readiness. Encouragement to invest in personal growth as a songwriter.   Key Takeaways: Discovering and focusing on your songwriting strengths will lead to more impactful music. Developing skills and collaborating within a supportive community can elevate your craft. Time will pass regardless; use it to grow and fulfill your God-given calling as a songwriter.   Get Involved: Download the NCS 2025 Songwriting Challenge Guide from the show notes. Join the NCS Community for weekly coaching and resources to revolutionize your songwriting journey. Explore the NCS Collective and listen to inspiring music from Christian songwriters.   Next Week's Episode: Special guest: Galen Crew, a songwriter with over a billion streams in China, shares his creative journey.   Connect With Us: Website: NashvilleChristianSongwriters.com Social Media: Facebook | Instagram   Support the Show: If you enjoyed this episode, leave us a review and share it with your fellow songwriters and creatives.

Song Revolution Podcast - Season 3, Episode 2 Episode Title: Leanna Crawford: God and Goat Yoga Hosts: John Chisum   Special Guest: Leanna Crawford, Christian music artist and songwriter   Episode Highlights: Meet Leanna Crawford: Signed to Provident Music, Leanna's latest album, Still Waters, is inspired by faith, family, and life's experiences. She's toured with artists like 10th Avenue North, Michael W. Smith, and Matthew West and is making an impact not just through music but also through her partnership with Charity Water. The Heart Behind Still Waters: Exploring themes of faith, vulnerability, and personal growth. Stories behind key songs like "Simple" and "Still Waters." The balance between the spiritual and psychological aspects of life and songwriting. Leanna's Journey: Growing up on a horse farm in the Northwest, with early songwriting roots inspired by everyday experiences. How moving to Nashville shaped her artistry and opened doors in the music industry. Funny anecdotes like goat yoga and near misses with ATVs, showcasing her down-to-earth personality. Faith and Worship: Leanna reflects on her church background and how it influenced her approach to music and ministry. A deep dive into her creative process and how she keeps performances fresh for audiences across different cities. Spotlight on the Song "Simple": Lyrics that resonate deeply about God's grace and simplicity in faith. Insights into the songwriting process with co-writers Jason Houser and Clint Lagerberg. The personal and spiritual layers that inspired this heartfelt track. Live Performance: Leanna performs "Simple," offering an intimate look into the emotion and meaning behind the song. Key Takeaways: Vulnerability in songwriting allows for deeper connections with listeners. Acknowledge the intersection of spiritual and mental health in the journey of faith. Great songs come from authentic stories and experiences. Get Involved: Stream Still Waters by Leanna Crawford on your favorite platform. Learn more about her ministry and music on LeannaCrawford.com. Next Week's Episode: Discover your "Songwriting Zone of Genius" with John and Bryant. Connect With Us: Website: NashvilleChristianSongwriters.com Social Media: Facebook | Instagram Support the Show: If you enjoyed this episode, leave us a review and share it with someone passionate about music and faith!

Song Revolution Podcast - Season 3 Premiere Episode Title: John Chisum: "Getting Unstuck, Get a Plan, and Get Heard" Hosts: John Chisum Bryant Urich   Episode Highlights: Welcome to Season 3! A new year and a new season of Song Revolution. Overview of exciting plans for 2025, including interviews, teachings, and a 12-month songwriting challenge. Special Guests and Upcoming Highlights: Leanna Crawford, Galen Crew, and a revival episode featuring the group Out of Eden. Insights from songwriters with incredible journeys. The 12-Month Songwriting Challenge: A skill-focused journey: Learn one new songwriting skill each month. Free resources, including live training sessions, email guides, and practical insights. Designed for all songwriters—whether you're just starting or seasoned in your craft. Practical Tips for Songwriters: Develop intentionality and set realistic goals for your songwriting journey. Surround yourself with a supportive songwriting community. Strategies to share your songs strategically and seek meaningful feedback. The Importance of Craft: Balancing the spiritual inspiration of songwriting with practical skill-building. The value of writing compelling hooks, learning rhyme schemes, and receiving constructive feedback.   Key Takeaways: Success in songwriting requires patience, dedication, and a willingness to learn. Focus on creating songs that stand out, not just production value. A great song can shine even with a simple arrangement. "Make noise where you are, and people will find you." – Practical advice for indie artists from industry leaders.   Get Involved: Join the 2025 Songwriting Challenge: NashvilleChristianSongwriters.com Join the NCS Community: A worldwide network of Christian songwriters to inspire and grow your craft.   Next Week's Episode: Special Guest: Leanna Crawford shares her insights, music, and a unique perspective on faith and creativity.   Connect With Us: Website: NashvilleChristianSongwriters.com Social Media: Facebook | Instagram   Support the Show: If you enjoyed this episode, leave us a review and share it with a fellow songwriter!

Coby James is a singer, songwriter, guitarist, and part of one of Nashville's most successful record labels, Centricity Music. On today's episode, Coby and John talk about Coby's relatively young but amazing career. They discuss Coby's favorite superheroes, both in real life and in the Marvel Comics universe. Coby shares his biggest influences from the world of music. John asks about the uncertainty a 20-year old faces in these times and the episode concludes with Coby performing an acoustic version of the classic Mary Mary song 'Shackles.' HERE'S WHAT YOU'LL GET ON TODAY'S EPISODE 03:18 How Coby has "studied" John Mayer 05:01 Who is Coby's favorite superhero and why 07:13 An out-of-body experience that Coby had on-stage 11:59 Who would Coby be if his music skills were taken away 14:00 What does the world look like to a 20-year-old right now 20:40 Coby shares what his experience was, as a kid, with Christ 24:52 John and Coby discuss about Coby's song 'Happier' 32:13 What would Coby want his audience to take away from his songs 38: 46 Coby James performs 'Shackles' WE HOPE THIS SONGWRITING TIP HELPS YOU Coby says, "Vulnerability is the key to getting emotion. Being open and real about it all." CONNECT WITH COBY JAMES Website - https://cobyjames.com/ Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/cobyjamesmusic/ Facebook -  https://www.facebook.com/cobyjamesmusic YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCRxkB41rHYmUwLdM0UWZbJQ SoundCloud - https://soundcloud.com/cobyjamesmusic CONNECT WITH NASHVILLE CHRISTIAN SONGWRITERS Nashville Christian Songwriters - www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com  Kingdom Songwriter Academy - www.kingdomsongwritersacademy.com   Facebook - www.facebook.com/nashvillechristiansongwriters/  Instagram - www.instagram.com/nashvillechristiansongwriters/  Twitter - twitter.com/NCSsongwriters  SUBSCRIBE TO THE SONG REVOLUTION PODCAST Apple Podcasts - https://podcasts.apple.com/in/podcast/song-revolution-with-john-chisum/id1220274942 Spotify - https://open.spotify.com/show/6uIIh5kJrEjP6oxmJDKqHP If you liked this episode, please don't forget to tune in, subscribe, and share this podcast! ABOUT THE SONG REVOLUTION PODCAST The Song Revolution Podcast exists to empower you through valuable songwriting insights, inspiration, and interviews with some of the greatest songwriters, producers, arrangers, artists, and creatives in the industry and beyond. Find out more at nashvillechristiansongwriters.co

Song Revolution Podcast – Season 3   Host: John Chisum Episode Title: JAMIE JAMGOCHIAN: Learning to Wait Well with God   Episode Summary: In this inspiring episode of the Song Revolution Podcast, host John Chisum welcomes singer-songwriter, worship leader, and author Jamie Jamgochian for a rich conversation about creativity, calling, spiritual formation, and her new book Sacred Surrender: The Practice of Waiting Well with God.   Jamie shares her personal journey from studying jazz at Berklee, to encountering Jesus at twenty-one, to navigating a decades-long career in Christian music as a Dove Award-nominated artist. She opens up about seasons of waiting, chronic illness, finding healing through quieter forms of worship, and discovering God's presence in silence and stillness. Together, John and Jamie explore the challenges of slowing down in a noisy culture, the practice of surrendering personal dreams, and the beauty of connecting with God through meditative music, spontaneous worship, and simple moments of presence. They also talk about mentoring younger artists, developing spiritual resilience, and writing from a place of honesty and trust.   What You'll Learn: The heart behind Jamie's new book Sacred Surrender How to wait on God with trust, peace, and purpose Why silence and stillness are essential for spiritual health How chronic illness reshaped Jamie's relationship with worship The difference between waiting on God and waiting with God How meditative music can bring healing, peace, and connection Why surrender is a daily practice, not a one-time moment The importance of community, mentorship, and staying grounded as an artist Practical advice for aspiring songwriters and worship leaders How to let God dream through you instead of forcing your own plans   Key Topics & Highlights: Jamie's early journey as a jazz-trained pianist and her conversion at twenty-one Life at Berklee, early performance career, and coming to faith Seasons of illness, including Lyme disease, and how quiet worship sustained her Creating piano meditations and spontaneous worship recordings The inspiration behind Sacred Surrender and the discipline of waiting well Learning to listen to God through silence, boredom, and stillness How surrender frees us from pressure, comparison, and unrealistic timelines Developing spiritual maturity and emotional health before chasing platform Jamie's heart for mentoring young female artists in Nashville Why honing your craft and creating your own opportunities matters Trusting God's timing over the industry's timeline   Final Thought: True transformation happens not in the spotlight but in the quiet spaces where surrender becomes a way of life. Jamie reminds us that walking with God means releasing our timelines, deepening our trust, and practicing presence daily. When we learn to wait well with God, we discover a richer, steadier, more grounded life—one where creativity flows from peace, not pressure.   Resources & Links: Keep up with all that Jamie is doing! https://www.jaimejam.com/   Check out Jamie's book, Sacred Surrender.  https://ffm.bio/sacredsurrender   Learn more: Visit NashvilleChristianSongwriters.com for songwriting resources, coaching, and community.   Learn more about Nashville Christian Songwriters: nashvillechristiansongwriters.com   Join the NCS Community for coaching, resources, and connection https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-community   Join the NCS 2025 Songwriting Challenge – Download the free 31-page guide https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/challenge2025   Sign up for Free First Monday Songwriting Training https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/training   NCS Collective: Check out our artists! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/

Song Revolution Podcast – Season 3   Host: John Chisum & Bryant Urich Episode Title: JOHN CHISUM: The Craft of Christmas Songwriting   Episode Summary: In this festive episode of Song Revolution, host John Chisum and co-host Bryant Urich dive into the art and craft of writing Christmas songs. From exploring why holiday music resonates so deeply to analyzing the lyrical and musical trends behind the world's biggest Christmas hits, this conversation is packed with practical ideas, humor, and real-world insights for songwriters.   John and Bryant discuss everything from nostalgic memories and classic hymns to modern Christmas pop, offering guidance on how to approach seasonal songwriting with authenticity, originality, and skill. Whether you're crafting a worshipful Advent ballad or a fun, hooky holiday pop song, this episode equips you with tools to write songs that truly connect.   Key Topics & Highlights: Why Christmas songs matter and how nostalgia, memory, and emotion fuel their impact Lyrical themes of top Christmas songs based on research and data Musical traits that dominate Christmas hits including major keys, sleigh bells, and swing feels Using sensory details to make lyrics more vivid and relatable Finding original ideas by drawing from personal memories, traditions, and real experiences Analyzing classics and modern hits from Bing Crosby to Mariah Carey Using hymnals and older carols as starting points for new song ideas The importance of strong hooks and pre-writing in seasonal songwriting Why great Christmas songs evoke emotion first and facts second The role of chord extensions (like major 7ths) in creating a warm, wistful holiday sound Why many artists write Christmas music in the middle of the year and what that teaches about discipline Encouragement for writers who want to grow in skill, craft, and confidence   Final Thought Christmas songs endure because they make us feel something. Whether you're writing from nostalgia, faith, longing, or joy, the key is to create with intentionality and skill. When you pair heartfelt inspiration with craftsmanship, your holiday songs can stand out, connect deeply, and carry meaning far beyond the season.   Resources & Links:   Learn more: Visit NashvilleChristianSongwriters.com for songwriting resources, coaching, and community.   Learn more about Nashville Christian Songwriters: nashvillechristiansongwriters.com   Join the NCS Community for coaching, resources, and connection https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-community   Join the NCS 2025 Songwriting Challenge – Download the free 31-page guide https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/challenge2025   Sign up for Free First Monday Songwriting Training https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/training   NCS Collective: Check out our artists! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/

Song Revolution Podcast – Season 3   Host: John Chisum Guest: Mary Lou Kayser Episode Title: The Power of Poetry   Episode Summary In this episode of Song Revolution, host John Chisum welcomes poet, author, and creative entrepreneur Mary Lou Kayser for a deeply moving and thought-provoking conversation on art, creativity, and what it means to live—and write—fully in a digital age. Mary Lou shares her journey as a teacher, writer, and poet, exploring how the rapid shift into the digital world impacts human connection and creativity. She opens up about loss, love, and the role poetry plays in healing and transformation, reading two poignant pieces from her poetry collections The Far Unlit Unknown and The River Only Runs One Way. Through her work and wisdom, Mary Lou challenges listeners to reconnect with their creative selves, embrace authenticity, and make peace with their past while courageously stepping into the unknown.   Key Topics & Highlights Life in Transition: How Mary Lou moved from teaching literature to fully embracing life as a writer and creative entrepreneur. The Digital Dilemma: Understanding how the algorithm era impacts art, purpose, and human connection. The Power of Poetry: Why poetry still matters—and how it can heal, illuminate, and connect us. Teaching and Transformation: Lessons from the classroom that shaped her creative voice and worldview. Loss and Renewal: How grief, love, and change inspired her collections The Far Unlit Unknown and The River Only Runs One Way. The Craft of Writing: The importance of revision, reflection, and returning to one's work with new eyes. Poetry vs. Songwriting: Exploring the similarities and differences between written verse and lyrical composition. The Courage to Create: Why waiting to share your art is the biggest mistake—and how to release your work fearlessly.   Memorable Quotes "Loneliness is a compass guiding you toward becoming more of who you've always been." – Mary Lou Kayser "If you are being called to create—don't wait. Time is always moving, and the river only runs one way." – Mary Lou Kayser "How can we expect to write beautiful words if we're not filled with them?" – John Chisum   Final Thought Mary Lou reminds us that art is not just about expression—it's about connection, transformation, and courage. Whether you're a poet, songwriter, or storyteller, your creativity is a bridge between the human and the divine. Don't wait for the "right" time. Create now, share freely, and trust the river to carry your words where they need to go.   Resources & Links:   Connect with Mary Lou Kayser and "Play Your Position" Podcast: maryloukayser.com   Learn more: Visit NashvilleChristianSongwriters.com for songwriting resources, coaching, and community.   Learn more about Nashville Christian Songwriters: nashvillechristiansongwriters.com   Join the NCS Community for coaching, resources, and connection https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-community   Join the NCS 2025 Songwriting Challenge – Download the free 31-page guide https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/challenge2025   Sign up for Free First Monday Songwriting Training https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/training     NCS Collective: Check out our artists! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/

Song Revolution Podcast – Season 3   Episode Title: ED RODE: We Are All Storytellers   Guest: Ed Rode, Iconic Nashville Photographer and Author of "Songwriter: Musician Behind the Curtain with Nashville's Iconic Storytellers and Players" Host: John Chisum   Episode Summary In this visually rich and inspiring episode, host John Chisum sits down with celebrated photographer Ed Rode, whose lens has captured some of the most iconic figures in music—from Chet Atkins, Dolly Parton, and Willie Nelson to Taylor Swift and Vince Gill. Through his stunning photography and storytelling, Ed shares how a 35-year journey documenting Nashville's creative legends turned into his new coffee table book, Songwriter: Musician. Together, John and Ed explore the intersection of photography, songwriting, and storytelling, revealing how every frame—and every lyric—has the power to invite people into a meaningful moment. Ed reflects on the mentorship of Chet Atkins, his experiences photographing legends like Willie Nelson and Dolly Parton, and the emotional encounters that defined his career, including a powerful moment with Glen Campbell near the end of his life. This episode is a celebration of creativity in all forms and a reminder that great art—whether a photograph or a song—comes from deep observation, patience, and heart.   Key Topics & Highlights The Origins of Ed's Career: How a chance encounter with Chet Atkins led to decades of photographing music legends. Storytelling Across Mediums: Why photography and songwriting share the same DNA—inviting others into a moment. The Art of Capturing Authenticity: How Ed disarms his subjects to reveal the truest version of themselves. Mentorship and Mastery: What Ed learned from icons like Chet Atkins and why mentorship shapes creative excellence. The Soul of a Photograph: Behind-the-scenes stories with Willie Nelson, Dolly Parton, Loretta Lynn, and Glen Campbell. Work Ethic vs. Talent: The balance between natural ability, discipline, and the willingness to grow. Creativity in the Digital Age: Why true storytelling and human perspective can never be replaced by AI. Teaching and Giving Back: How Ed now passes on his craft as a photography instructor, continuing the cycle of creativity.   Final Takeaway Whether through a song or a photograph, creativity is about storytelling that connects hearts. Ed Rode's journey reminds us that art isn't just about talent—it's about persistence, curiosity, and the courage to see beauty in every fleeting moment. As he says, "We're all storytellers," and every story told from the heart has the power to inspire.   Resources & Links: Connect with Ed Rode edrode.com Book: Songwriter: Musician Behind the Curtain with Nashville's Iconic Storytellers and Players Available online and at the Country Music Hall of Fame Store.   Learn more: Visit NashvilleChristianSongwriters.com for songwriting resources, coaching, and community.   Learn more about Nashville Christian Songwriters: nashvillechristiansongwriters.com   Join the NCS Community for coaching, resources, and connection https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-community   Join the NCS 2025 Songwriting Challenge – Download the free 31-page guide https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/challenge2025   Sign up for Free First Monday Songwriting Training https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/training     NCS Collective: Check out our artists! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/

Song Revolution Podcast – Season 3   Host: John Chisum   Episode Title: The Skill of Rewriting   Episode Summary: In this episode of Song Revolution, host John Chisum sits down with NCS Vice President of A&R and Production, Bryant Urich, to dive deep into the art and discipline of rewriting songs. As part of the NCS 2025 Songwriting Challenge, they explore why rewriting is essential to crafting powerful, lasting songs—and how humility, skill, and intentionality play key roles in the process.   From Clark Beckham's new songwriting courses to the band Eauclaire's latest release, John and Bryant also share exciting NCS updates and practical encouragement for songwriters at every level. Whether you're polishing your next worship anthem or trying to take your lyric from good to great, this episode offers real-world insights that will elevate your songwriting craft.   Key Topics & Highlights: The importance of rewriting month in the NCS 2025 Songwriting Challenge How professional songwriters approach rewriting and editing Balancing inspiration with skill and craft Why "writing is rewriting" — the mindset that separates hobbyists from pros Overcoming false humility and defensiveness about your work Pre-writing and research as essential steps toward great songs Strengthening your hook and title through rhyme and alliteration Keeping focus on the "One Big Idea" (OBI) in every song The emotional power of songs—why listeners remember how you made them feel Upcoming NCS resources, courses, and community updates   Final Thought: Rewriting isn't about undoing your inspiration—it's about refining it. Every great songwriter knows that inspiration starts the fire, but skill shapes it into something lasting. When you're willing to revisit your work with humility and fresh eyes, you give your songs the chance to truly speak to others.   Resources & Links:   Learn more about Nashville Christian Songwriters: nashvillechristiansongwriters.com   Join the NCS Community for coaching, resources, and connection https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-community   Join the NCS 2025 Songwriting Challenge – Download the free 31-page guide https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/challenge2025   Sign up for Free First Monday Songwriting Training https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/training     NCS Collective: Check out our artists! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/

Song Revolution Podcast – Season 3   Host: John Chisum   Episode Title: Steele Crosswhite & Caleb Yetton: From Rock to Redemption   Episode Summary: In this episode of Song Revolution, John Chisum sits down with Steele Crosswhite and Caleb Yetton from The Rock Church in Salt Lake City, Utah. Once a rock musician sharing stages with artists like the Foo Fighters, Sheryl Crow, and Maroon 5, Steele encountered the grace of Jesus and traded the spotlight for a life of ministry and songwriting rooted in the local church. Together with Caleb, a fellow pastor and musician, Steele shares how God transformed his music and mission—leading to Captured by Grace, a record originally released twenty years ago and now beautifully reimagined for a new generation. The conversation dives into faith, creativity, and how great songs can grow from obedience and community within the local church.   What You'll Learn: How Steele's encounter with Jesus radically changed his life and music The story behind Captured by Grace and its 20-year anniversary re-release Why The Rock Church's music ministry is thriving in a challenging cultural landscape How songwriting can serve as a tool for mission and discipleship The importance of local church creativity and community-driven worship How music from Utah is impacting lives far beyond the state's borders   Key Topics & Highlights: From rock and roll to ministry – Steele's transition from touring with major acts to leading music at The Rock Church. Captured by Grace – the inspiration, writing process, and new arrangements for the 20th anniversary project. Partnership and vision – how Caleb and Steele co-pastor, co-create, and lead a thriving creative community. Local church as a creative hub – empowering artists to make excellent music that reaches their own communities. Utah as a mission field – ministering in one of the least evangelical states in the U.S. through authentic worship. Timeless songwriting – how songs like "Matters" continue to resonate 20 years later with new life and production. Collaboration and legacy – involving new musicians and worship leaders in revisiting classic songs.   Final Takeaway: Steele Crosswhite and Caleb Yetton remind us that when we give God our gifts, He gives them back refined with purpose. Whether on a stage or in a small church, great music begins with obedience, community, and a heart fully captured by grace.   Resources & Links: Listen to Steele Crosswhite, Caleb Yetton, and The Rock Music! https://open.spotify.com/artist/1EqgZg4Y6LDJPlkbi7mWcF?si=cSrldCtmSyy_luV8KxNipw https://open.spotify.com/artist/27zD09dXJnOpZ3qfeXpzu8?si=KVnMeqm7RGKU3HcQxufi6w https://open.spotify.com/artist/0c8xYlEYETimOaLlGZcMVk?si=AjZJ1QwzTKiVrzv8jP2zpg   Visit therockmusic.org for updates, music, and church information.   Learn more about Nashville Christian Songwriters: nashvillechristiansongwriters.com   Join the NCS Community for coaching, resources, and connection https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-community   Join the NCS 2025 Songwriting Challenge – Download the free 31-page guide https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/challenge2025   Sign up for Free First Monday Songwriting Training https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/training     NCS Collective: Check out our artists! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/

Song Revolution Podcast – Season 3   Host: John Chisum   Episode Title: DAWN & STEVE: Faith, Radio, and Soul Care   Episode Summary: In this episode of Song Revolution, John Chisum turns the tables and welcomes longtime radio hosts Dawn Ray May and Steve Hiller, formerly of Moody Radio and now co-hosts of the Dawn and Steve Plus podcast. With decades of experience in Christian radio, Dawn and Steve share stories of their broadcasting journeys, memorable interviews with iconic artists, and the lessons they've learned about faith, resilience, and community. The conversation also dives deep into mental health, soul care, and why creating safe spaces for healing is central to their new podcast ministry.   What You'll Learn: How Dawn and Steve built careers in Christian radio. Memorable stories from interviews with artists like Stephen Curtis Chapman, Jeremy Camp, and Twila Paris. The shift from radio to podcasting and the freedom it brings. Dawn's personal journey through grief, trauma, and healing after her father's death. Why mental health and soul care are at the heart of their podcast. The importance of safe community, counseling, and practical soul care for Christians today.   Key Topics & Highlights: The power of radio and music ministry – how songs and interviews shaped their years at Moody. From radio to podcasting – navigating the challenges and new freedoms of digital media. Personal story of loss and healing – Dawn's testimony of finding hope through counseling after trauma. Breaking stigma in the church – honest conversations about counseling, mental health, and faith. Addiction, connection, and boundaries – insights from their counselor guest, Phil Herndon. The mission of Dawn and Steve Plus – encouraging, inspiring, and pointing listeners to Jesus through honest, hope-filled dialogue.     Final Takeaway: Dawn and Steve's story is one of resilience, faith, and obedience. From years in radio to launching a podcast focused on soul care and the gospel, they remind us that God can use every part of our story—our gifts, our pain, and our healing—to encourage and build up others.     Resources & Links:   Keep up with Dawn & Steve www.dawnandsteveplus.com   Learn more about Nashville Christian Songwriters: nashvillechristiansongwriters.com   Join the NCS Community for coaching, resources, and connection https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-community   Join the NCS 2025 Songwriting Challenge – Download the free 31-page guide https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/challenge2025   Sign up for Free First Monday Songwriting Training https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/training     NCS Collective: Check out our artists! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/

Song Revolution Podcast – Season 3   Host: John Chisum   Episode Title: CLARK BECKHAM: American Idol Finalist on Songwriting & Surrender   Episode Summary: In this episode of Song Revolution, John Chisum welcomes singer-songwriter, musician, and American Idol finalist Clark Beckham. Known for his soulful voice and authentic artistry, Clark shares his journey from small-town beginnings to national recognition and beyond. The conversation dives deep into the balance between ambition and surrender, the lessons learned from rejection and waiting, and how faith anchors him through every season of the creative process. Clark opens up about his experiences in the spotlight, the realities of the music industry, and how staying grounded in God's timing has reshaped his approach to songwriting. He also discusses how true artistry comes from honesty, craftsmanship, and humility rather than chasing trends or fame.   What You'll Learn: Clark's journey from church musician to American Idol finalist How fame and faith intersect in a culture of instant success Why patience and humility are essential in the creative process The importance of writing songs that come from truth, not pressure Lessons learned about identity, calling, and creative stewardship How to balance musical ambition with spiritual contentment   Key Topics & Highlights: Early beginnings – discovering music in the church and learning multiple instruments The American Idol experience – highs, challenges, and how it shaped Clark's character Faith through waiting – trusting God's timing when dreams seem delayed Songwriting as honesty – why vulnerability and craft outweigh hype and algorithms Navigating the industry – what Clark learned about labels, fame, and staying authentic Spiritual maturity in art – how surrender leads to stronger songs and deeper peace Creating from overflow – writing songs from what God is doing in your life, not for validation   Final Takeaway: Clark Beckham's story is a reminder that success in music—and in life—isn't about speed or visibility but about faithfulness. God's timing is perfect, and the songs that last are born from honesty, surrender, and a heart that trusts Him fully.   Resources & Links: Follow Clark Beckham on Instagram https://www.instagram.com/clarkbeckham/ Visit Clark's website: clarkbeckham.com   Join the NCS Community for coaching, resources, and connection https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-community   Join the NCS 2025 Songwriting Challenge – Download the free 31-page guide https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/challenge2025   Sign up for Free First Monday Songwriting Training https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/training   NCS Collective: Check out our artists! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/

Song Revolution Podcast – Season 3   Host: John Chisum   Episode Title: MIA FIELDES: Writing From Revelation   Episode Summary In this episode of Song Revolution, John Chisum sits down with acclaimed songwriter and worship leader Mia Fieldes, whose songs have been recorded by artists like Lauren Daigle, Zach Williams, Phil Wickham, Kim Walker-Smith, and many more. From growing up in poverty and seasons of homelessness to becoming one of the most prolific voices in modern worship, Mia shares how faith, perseverance, and gratitude have shaped her journey. With honesty and humor, she opens up about her songwriting process, contending for miracles, and the importance of stewarding your gifts with diligence.   What You'll Learn: How Mia overcame early hardships and developed unshakable faith. Why gratitude is a key to unlocking God's promises. The story behind writing Chain Breaker with Zach Williams. Why being a specialist is vital for songwriters. How to balance inspiration, discipline, and co-writing partnerships. Why faith should sometimes feel "offensive" in a culture of self-reliance.   Key Topics & Highlights: Gratitude as a lifestyle – learning to thank God as an access point to His promises. Developing your craft – why excellence and hard work matter more than talent alone. Writing from revelation – how songs like Fierce and Tremble were born from real-life moments and prayers. Faith as a muscle – how persevering through trials strengthens belief. Stewardship in songwriting – becoming a "specialist" rather than a generalist. Miracle stories – contending for healing, children, and breakthrough despite impossibility. The bigger calling – why your life mission goes beyond music and how to carry faith into every moment.   Final Takeaway: Mia's story is a testimony of resilience, faith, and the power of stewarding your gifts well. Her journey reminds us that God can, He will, and He wants to—and that our agreement with His promises can change everything.     Resources & Links: Follow Mia Fieldes on Instagram  https://www.instagram.com/miafieldes/reels/?hl=en   Learn more about Nashville Christian Songwriters: nashvillechristiansongwriters.com   Join the NCS Community for coaching, resources, and connection https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-community   Join the NCS 2025 Songwriting Challenge – Download the free 31-page guide https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/challenge2025   Sign up for Free First Monday Songwriting Training https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/training     NCS Collective: Check out our artists! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/

Song Revolution Podcast – Season 3   Hosts: John Chisum & Bryant Urich   Episode Title: Does God Really Give You Songs?   Episode Summary: In this thought-provoking episode of Song Revolution, hosts John Chisum and Bryant Urich tackle one of the most frequently asked—and often misunderstood—questions among songwriters: Does God really give you songs?   As Nashville Christian Songwriters celebrates its 10th anniversary, John and Bryant reflect on thousands of conversations with writers over the years who have wrestled with this very idea. Together, they unpack the difference between divine inspiration and developed craft, the tension between personal meaning and commercial viability, and how comparison and expectations can distort the creative process.   With honesty and humor, John and Bryant explore how to honor inspiration while still doing the hard work of rewriting, editing, and learning the skills that make songs accessible, singable, and lasting.   What You'll Learn in This Episode: Why so many writers say, "God gave me this song" The difference between inspiration and craftsmanship How comparison with big-name writers can hinder your growth Why singability, hooks, and editing matter in songwriting The role of influence and platform in a song's success Why humility and stewardship are essential for every songwriter   Key Topics & Highlights: John's 3,000+ conversations with aspiring songwriters over 10 years The sensitive nature of claiming "God gave me this song" How inspiration often comes through our own skills, training, and background Why accessibility and clarity make songs "sticky" and memorable The influence of platforms like Hillsong, Bethel, and Chris Tomlin on worship music The difference between good songs and commercial songs Why one song can launch a ministry—but many songs may never leave your journal The importance of being open to rewriting and receiving feedback Why personal transformation through songwriting is as important as public impact   Final Takeaway: Yes, God does inspire songs—but inspiration alone doesn't make you a great songwriter. True growth comes from humility, stewardship, and developing your craft so that the songs God births in you can reach and impact others.   Resources & Links: Learn more about Nashville Christian Songwriters: nashvillechristiansongwriters.com   Join the NCS Community for coaching, resources, and connection https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-community   Join the NCS 2025 Songwriting Challenge – Download the free 31-page guide https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/challenge2025   Sign up for Free First Monday Songwriting Training https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/training     NCS Collective: Check out our artists! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/

Song Revolution Podcast – Season 3   Hosts: Claire Bacon, Bryant Urich, Chris Crenshaw, Kyle Kicker, and Jack Landis   Episode Title: STAFF EDITION: NCS Staff Takeover   Episode Summary: In this special episode of Song Revolution, the microphones are turned toward the Nashville Christian Songwriters staffas the team celebrates NCS's upcoming 10-year anniversary. With John Chisum away on vacation, Claire, Bryant, Chris, Kyle, and Jack take over to share their stories, talk about their paths to NCS, and give listeners a glimpse of the unique personalities that make up the heart of the organization.   From music industry journeys and Springfield connections, to rapid-fire fun questions like "Is cereal a soup?"—this episode is equal parts insightful and entertaining. Along the way, the team reflects on their own defining moments in music, the role of community, and why they love serving songwriters through NCS.   What You'll Learn in This Episode: How each NCS team member found their way into music and ministry The "Springfield theory" and why so many of the team come from a Springfield Defining moments that sparked a love for music and creativity How NCS serves songwriters through publishing, coaching, community, and production The highs and lows of today's music industry and what the future may hold Lighthearted team banter, rapid-fire questions, and behind-the-scenes laughs   Key Topics & Highlights: Jack's journey from interning at NCS to joining the team full-time Chris's background as a youth pastor, event organizer, and touring drummer Claire's path from Bethel Music and label work to NCS publishing and project management Kyle's experiences as a worship pastor and band member before moving to Nashville Bryant's early Nashville days, publishing insights, and role in building the NCS community The Springfield, Ohio/Missouri connection and its surprising role in the team's stories Honest reflections on the realities of today's streaming-driven music business Fun debates: doors vs. wheels, cereal as soup, and musician pet peeves   Final Takeaway: Behind every great song is a community of people who believe in its potential. The NCS team exists to serve, support, and encourage songwriters from all walks of life, proving that creativity thrives best in connection.   Resources & Links: Learn more about Nashville Christian Songwriters: nashvillechristiansongwriters.com   Join the NCS Community for coaching, resources, and connection https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-community   Join the NCS 2025 Songwriting Challenge – Download the free 31-page guide https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/challenge2025   Sign up for Free First Monday Songwriting Training https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/training     NCS Collective: Check out our artists! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/

Song Revolution Podcast – Season 3   Host: John Chisum   Episode Title: ANDREW GREER: Mysticism, Minimalism, and Music   Episode Summary In this episode of Song Revolution, host John Chisum welcomes back singer-songwriter, producer, and filmmaker Andrew Greer for another deep and thought-provoking conversation. From literature and scripture to mysticism, minimalism, and music, John and Andrew explore how faith, creativity, and a posture of humility shape our art and our lives.   Andrew shares about his move from Nashville to the small town of Plains, Georgia, and how a slower pace has opened up new margins for community and creativity. Together they wrestle with ideas of certainty, control, and judgment in faith, drawing wisdom from mystics, the Civil Rights Movement, and Andrew's latest record, Songs from the Dark. If you've ever struggled with doubt, wrestled with control, or wondered how to connect your spiritual life more deeply to your art, this conversation is for you.   What You'll Learn in This Episode Why Andrew believes books and literature fuel creativity and songwriting How mystics like Thomas Merton and Meister Eckhart influence faith and art The danger of certainty in faith and how doubt actually strengthens belief Lessons from the Civil Rights Movement on humility, justice, and love Andrew's songwriting process behind Songs from the Dark The power of laying down judgment and control to live in freedom   Key Topics & Highlights Books & Spiritual Reading Andrew and John discuss the influence of authors like Thomas Merton, Mother Teresa, NT Wright, and Richard Foster. The value of memoirs and literature in opening perspectives beyond scripture alone. Scripture itself as mystery and mysticism, especially in the Gospels and books of wisdom. Mysticism & Faith The infinite nature of God and our being—living forever as an endless journey of discovery. Faith as uncertainty and openness rather than rigid certainty. Letting go of control, judgment, and resistance to embrace communion with God and others. Justice, Prejudice & Love Reflections on the Civil Rights Movement and Andrew Young's example of radical love. Loving our enemies as a revolutionary act of following Jesus. Challenging cultural and religious biases that distort the Gospel's radical call to love. Creativity & Inspiration How reading literature and scripture fuels songwriting and artistic expression. Music as communion with God, often born out of darkness, mystery, and unknowing. Andrew's latest album Songs from the Dark, including tracks "Rescue Me" and "Hands," which emerged from conflict, grief, and the pandemic. Suffering, Presence & Surrender John shares his heart attack experience and practicing "being with the pain" instead of resisting it. The grace of letting go of resistance and shame, allowing God's presence even in suffering.   Final Thought This conversation reminds us that faith and creativity both thrive in openness, mystery, and surrender—not certainty or control. Whether through books, music, or life's hardest experiences, God continually invites us into deeper communion, where judgment gives way to love, and darkness can give birth to unexpected light.     Resources & Links: Connect with Andrew Greer:  andrew-greer.com    NashvilleChristianSongwriters.com   Join the NCS 2025 Songwriting Challenge – Download the free 31-page guide https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/challenge2025   Sign up for Free First Monday Songwriting Training https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/training   Explore NCS Community and membership options https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-community   NCS Collective: Check out our artists! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/

Song Revolution Podcast – Season 3   Hosts: John Chisum, Claire Bacon, & Bryant Urich   Episode Title: Inside Music Publishing   Episode Summary: In this episode of Song Revolution, John Chisum is joined by Claire Bacon and Bryant Urich from the NCS team for a lively and practical discussion on music publishing. Together, they break down the difference between creative and administrative publishing, share behind-the-scenes stories from Claire's time at Bethel Music, and explore how co-writing, retreats, and publishing support can shape a songwriter's career.   The conversation also dives into the DIY side of publishing—what it means to take control of your rights and royalties, how to avoid getting lost in the sea of mediocre songs released every day, and why honing your craft is essential if you want to stand out.   What You'll Learn in This Episode: The difference between creative and administrative publishing Why pairing the right writers together makes or breaks a song Stories from Claire's experience interning at Bethel Music The role of writing retreats and camps in developing strong songs How to DIY your publishing if you don't have a company backing you Why focusing on quality and intentionality helps your songs stand out   Key Topics & Highlights: Claire's journey from MTSU to Bethel Music to NCS The matchmaking side of creative publishing and how it shapes songwriting sessions How NCS retreats create powerful co-writing opportunities The challenge of standing out among millions of songs released each year Avoiding vague lyrics and writing with genre and purpose in mind Favorite songwriters and the impact of writers like Mia Fieldes, Cody Carnes, and Benjamin William Hastings   Final Takeaway: Music publishing is more than contracts and royalties—it's about connection, collaboration, and ensuring your songs have the best chance to thrive. Whether through a publisher or by learning the DIY path, understanding the business side of songwriting is just as important as mastering the craft.   Resources & Links:    NashvilleChristianSongwriters.com   Join the NCS 2025 Songwriting Challenge – Download the free 31-page guide https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/challenge2025   Sign up for Free First Monday Songwriting Training https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/training   Explore NCS Community and membership options https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-community   NCS Collective: Check out our artists! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/

Song Revolution Podcast – Season 3   Episode Title: ANDREW GREER (part 1): Songwriting and Storytelling   Host: John Chisum   Episode Summary: In this rich and heartfelt conversation, John welcomes singer-songwriter, producer, author, and documentarian Andrew Greer to Song Revolution. From his early days growing up in Texas with music all around him, to his time at Belmont University, and now as a respected artist and filmmaker, Andrew shares how music has always been more than sound—it has been a divine meeting point and a lifelong connection to God.   Andrew opens up about discovering music as collaboration with the Creator, the spiritual weight of art, and how songwriters and storytellers carry the yearning for belonging and acceptance. He and John dive into the mystery of creativity, the intersection of sacred and "secular" art, and the role of music in healing, connection, and co-creation with God. This first part of the interview also explores Andrew's reflections on growing up with thoughtful parents, his deep love for liner notes, the importance of songwriting beyond categories, and the spiritual resonance of great artists from Joni Mitchell to Roberta Flack.   What You'll Learn in This Episode: Andrew's early encounter with music and its connection to faith How music serves as collaboration with our Creator The difference between original sin and original virtue in shaping our lives Why songwriting is about more than "Christian" or "secular" categories How great art and music point us toward belonging and acceptance Andrew's insights on the indie music landscape and why it's a great time for creators   Key Topics & Highlights: The spiritual role of music as connection and belonging How Andrew discovered a calling for songwriting and storytelling at an early age The influence of his parents and church community on shaping his worldview Why labeling art as sacred vs. secular often misses the deeper point Stories from Andrew's journey at Belmont University and launching into music Insights on how artists like Joni Mitchell, Roberta Flack, and others shaped his perspective Why vulnerability and honesty in songwriting resonate more deeply than formulas   Final Takeaway: At its heart, music is not about categories or success—it is about connection. Whether writing songs, producing stories, or simply listening, music offers us a chance to collaborate with God and remind one another that we belong.     Resources & Links:   Explore Andrew Greer's work:  https://www.andrew-greer.com/    NashvilleChristianSongwriters.com   Join the NCS 2025 Songwriting Challenge – Download the free 31-page guide https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/challenge2025   Sign up for Free First Monday Songwriting Training https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/training   Explore NCS Community and membership options https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-community   NCS Collective: Check out our artists! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/

Song Revolution Podcast – Season 3   Hosts: John Chisum, Claire Bacon, & Bryant Urich   Episode Title: Music Publishing in 2025   Episode Summary: Season 3 of Song Revolution continues with a practical and eye-opening conversation on one of the most misunderstood topics in the music industry: publishing. Hosts John Chisum, Claire Bacon, and Bryant Urich break down what publishing really means in 2025, how it has changed from the traditional gatekeeper model of the past, and why understanding it is essential for every songwriter.   From copyright protection to royalty collection, from self-publishing to partnering with a publisher, this episode offers clarity and encouragement to help you take control of your songs and your future. If you've ever wondered whether you need a publisher, how to register your songs, or how to build the right relationships in the industry, this discussion will give you practical steps forward.   What You'll Learn in This Episode: The difference between copyright and publishing How publishing has evolved from gatekeepers to digital access The two sides of publishing: administration vs. creative development Why many songwriters choose self-publishing today What publishers actually do for songwriters How to know if you're ready for a publishing deal Why relationships matter more than cold submissions How to find community and connection no matter where you live   Key Topics and Highlights: John's early Nashville days and the old gatekeeper model of publishing Claire's experience developing writers and matching them in the right rooms Bryant's perspective on band publishing and handling royalties as a group The importance of building your own foundation before seeking a publisher How marketing and publishing have become two separate tracks Practical steps every songwriter can take on their own: registering songs, networking, showcasing your work, and learning the basics of copyright   Memorable Quotes from the Episode: "Copyright is about protection. Publishing is about getting your song out there." "A publisher's job is to elevate what you're already doing—not create it for you." "So much of making music today is DIY, and that's a good thing." "Publishing isn't just about royalties—it's about relationships."   Final Takeaway: You don't need a publisher to get started, but you do need to understand publishing. By learning the basics, building relationships, and developing your craft, you'll be ready when the right opportunities come.   Resources & Links:    NashvilleChristianSongwriters.com   Join the NCS 2025 Songwriting Challenge – Download the free 31-page guide https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/challenge2025   Sign up for Free First Monday Songwriting Training https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/training   Explore NCS Community and membership options https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-community   NCS Collective: Check out our artists! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/