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In this SAND Community Gathering (January 2025), journalist Naomi Klein and trauma expert Dr. Gabor Maté explored the complex intersection of collective trauma, political power, and memory in a discussion moderated by Cecilie Surasky. Drawing from Naomi’s recent analysis of how trauma has been weaponized in current conflicts, and Gabor’s deep understanding of trauma’s psychological impacts, their conversation examined how media narratives and political rhetoric weaponize fear and trauma to gain public support for military and political crimes. The discussion addressed the troubling speed at which the Oct 7 Jewish trauma is now converted into a spectacle through virtual reality experiences, museum exhibitions, and immersive memorials, while questioning who gets to control these narratives and to what end. Together, they explored alternatives for remembering that might lead toward healing rather than perpetuating cycles of violence.   We hear from several Community Gathering audience members with their questions in the second half of the episode.   Gabor Maté, M.D. is a specialist on trauma, addiction, stress and childhood development. After 20 years of family practice and palliative care experience, Dr. Maté worked for over a decade in Vancouver’s Downtown East Side with patients challenged by drug addiction and mental illness. For his groundbreaking medical work and writing he has been awarded the Order of Canada, his country’s highest civilian distinction, and the Civic Merit Award from his hometown, Vancouver. Gabor is also the creator of a psychotherapeutic approach, Compassionate Inquiry, now studied by thousands of therapists, physicians, counselors, and others in over 80 countries. Naomi Klein is an award-winning journalist and New York Times bestselling author. She is a columnist with The Guardian. In 2018 she was named the inaugural Gloria Steinem Endowed Chair at Rutgers University and is now Honorary Professor of Media and Climate at Rutgers. In September 2021 she joined the University of British Columbia as UBC Professor of Climate Justice (tenured) and co-director of the Centre for Climate Justice. Cecilie Surasky is the Director of Communications and Narrative at the Othering & Belonging Institute (OBI), where she leads an incredible team focused on integrating strategic communications and narrative strategies. With a background in Religious Studies and Semiotics, Cecilie views all narratives as sacred, and believes that leaders, for better or worse, often serve as modern-day high priests. As former deputy director of Jewish Voice for Peace (JVP) she led impactful campaigns aimed at building a co-liberation movement and garnering support for Palestinian human rights. Topics 00:00 Introduction and Welcome 00:45 Panel Introduction and Moderator 01:31 Exploring Trauma and Its Impact 02:44 Weaponizing Trauma in Conflict 06:14 Historical Context and Jewish Identity 10:54 Challenging Narratives and Identities 15:09 The Role of Trauma in Shaping Perspectives 30:35 The Impact of Trauma on Palestinians 32:17 Structures of Deliberate Traumatization 37:48 Healing and Moving Forward 41:50 Debunking Historical Myths 42:12 Instrumentalization of Trauma 43:24 Hollywood's Role in Shaping Trauma Narratives 46:30 Economic and Political Motives Behind the Holocaust 48:27 Comparing Historical and Modern Genocides 49:59 Imagining a State Focused on Healing Trauma 51:00 Reclaiming and Reinterpreting History 58:29 The Role of Compassion in Addressing Trauma 01:05:44 Palestinian Perspectives on Healing and Storytelling 01:13:21 Concluding Thoughts and Future Conversations Resources Naomi Klein’s Website Gabor Maté’s Website Other and Belonging Institute Jewish Voices for Peace Naomi Klein’s Article on Israel Weaponizing Trauma: “How Israel has made trauma a weapon of war” (The Guardian) Doppelganger: A Trip into the Mirror World by Naomi Klein The Myth of Normal: Trauma, Illness & Healing in a Toxic Culture by Gabor Maté  Watch SAND’s Where Olive Trees Weep  Purchase SAND’s full 23-video series Conversations on Palestine Watch SAND’s The Wisdom of Trauma  Learn more about the SAND Community Gatherings  Support the mission of SAND and the production of this podcast by becoming a SAND Member

Rawan Roshni is in conversation to discuss the recent ceasefire announcement affecting Palestine and offers a poignant and emotional reflection on the situation. She shares stories from her displaced Palestinian heritage, detailing her family's survival and the ongoing trauma faced by Palestinians. We explore the healing modalities of sound, music, and the human voice and listen to two of her newest live pieces of music and poetry, “Al-Tuyoor: Messages from the Birds” and “Prophecy of Remembrance”. Rawan Roshni is a Palestinian/Balkan, Global Citizen, Arab Woman, based in Jordan. She uses her voice as an Artivist through her singing/songwriting and facilitation of brave spaces focusing her work in the SWANA region. She has co-founded multiple interfaith and world music projects and most recently has been touring her solo tri-lingual live-looping Music & Poetry performance Al-Tuyoor: Messages from the Birds for 2 years across 7 countries and counting! Her facilitation work over the past decade has ranged from issues such as conflict transformation, collective liberation, catalyzing community, emotional processing tools, conscious relating, consent and more! She fuses Sound, Movement and Intuitive Rituals as tools in her work, bringing elements such as group singing, sound work through vocalization, whirling dance, and intentional nature-based practices. Topics: 00:00 Introduction and Welcome 00:29 Emotional Reactions to Ceasefire 01:38 Mixed Feelings and Skepticism 04:01 Personal Connection to Palestine 05:17 Family History and Displacement 09:21 Art and Music as Healing 11:43 The Power of the Human Voice 12:38 Artivism and Activism 19:20 “Prophecy of Rememberance” (song) 38:07 Birds as Messengers 57:50 Future Projects and Closing Remarks Resources: Website Instagram Nada Bramha Aboriginal Song Lines “Conference of the Birds” by Manṭiq-uṭ-Ṭayr Sacred Activism Course at Tamera Sacred Activism Course in Montenegro Support the mission of SAND and the production of this podcast by becoming a SAND Member

In this live SAND Community Gathering (January 2025), SAND co-founders Maurizio and Zaya Benazzo welcome Darcia Narvaez, professor emeritus of psychology at the University of Notre Dame, to discuss her interdisciplinary research on evolved morality, child development, and human flourishing. Narvaez shares insights from her book, The Evolved Nest, and explores the impact of modern parenting practices, the benefits of communal child-rearing, and the neurological and emotional development of children. The discussion also holds space for the importance of nature immersion, indigenous practices, and the detrimental effects of trauma on development. The episode concludes with practical tips for parents and communities to foster a nurturing environment based on centuries-old wisdom. Topics 00:00 Introduction and Welcome 00:46 Guest Introduction: Darcia Narvaez 02:14 Darcia's Journey and Early Influences 05:32 The Concept of the Evolved Nest 08:34 Modern Birth Practices and Their Impact 14:08 Parenting and Child Development in Indigenous Communities 16:36 The Role of Community in Child Rearing 19:52 Education and Learning: Western vs. Indigenous Approaches 27:54 The Impact of Trauma in Modern and Natural Worlds 28:42 The Impact of Early Trauma on Male Elephants 29:04 Developmental Needs of Young Males 29:52 The Role of Older Males in Elephant Social Structure 30:43 Human Development and Mentorship 31:16 The Importance of Multi-Aged Groups 32:01 Rites of Passage and Ceremonial Transitions 33:03 Vertical and Horizontal Connectedness 34:10 The Influence of Christianity and Patriarchy 35:08 Creation Spirituality and Indigenous Worldview 36:05 The Evolved Nest and Modern Parenting 37:15 The Role of Community in Child Development 39:39 The Importance of Nature and Healing Practices 46:17 Learning from Octopus Intelligence 48:04 Restoring the Kinship Worldview 51:05 Conclusion and Call to Action Resources The Evolved Nest (website) The Evolved Nest: Nature's Way of Raising Children and Creating Connected Communities (book) Support the mission of SAND and the production of this podcast by becoming a SAND Member

Recorded live at a SAND Community Gathering (December 2024) hosted by Zaya and Maurizio Benazzo. In this intimate conversation with poet and philosopher David Whyte and his wife, cultural architect Gayle Karen Young, explore the tender territories of grief, belonging and rest. Drawing from David’s new book Consolations II, this unique dialogue offers a glimpse into how two lives intertwine in both understanding and living these essential human experiences and how loss and heartbreak can become doorways to deeper belonging. The conversation weaves together poetry, contemplative wisdom, and the authentic experience of two people who have walked the path of partnership through its many thresholds. It offers both practical insight and spiritual nourishment for anyone seeking to understand how we grow through love’s many faces—from its first tender beginnings to its most profound depths of kinship. David Whyte, raised between his Irish mother’s imaginative influence and his father’s Yorkshire landscapes, now calls the Pacific Northwest home. He is the author of twelve books of poetry and five books of prose, holding a degree in Marine Zoology and bringing rich experience from his years as a naturalist guide in the Galapagos Islands and leader of expeditions in the Andes, Amazon, and Himalaya. Gayle Karen Young is a cultural architect and catalyst for human and organizational development who believes the world needs leaders who are “able for” what lies ahead. With over two decades in leadership development, she focuses on both the visible, practical aspects of leadership and the invisible work of creating spaces where others can thrive. Topics: 00:00 Introduction and Welcome 00:37 Meet the Guests: Gayle Karen Young and David Whyte 02:41 The Power of Poetry and Reflection 03:37 Exploring Grief and Intimacy 09:02 Collective Grief and Global Suffering 27:20 The Role of Vulnerability in Leadership 30:14 Exploring Grief and Progressive Patriotism 30:52 The Everyday Invitation to Vulnerability 31:42 Understanding the Path of Care 35:34 The Seasonality of Care and Grief 39:19 The Overwhelming Nature of Modern Connectivity 41:53 The Essence of Loving Your Neighbor 43:32 The Bell and the Blackbird: An Irish Koan 52:04 The Importance of Silence and Relationship 54:33 Concluding Thoughts and Gratitude Resources: David Whyte’s Website Gayle Karen Young’s Website David’s new book Consolations II Mary Frances O’Connor - The Grieving Brain: The Surprising Science of How We Learn from Love and Loss Martin Prechtel - The Smell of Rain on Dust: Grief and Praise Dacher Keltner - Awe: The New Science of Everyday Wonder and How It Can Transform Your Life Support the mission of SAND and the production of this podcast by becoming a SAND Member

Join us as we journey into the depths of winter’s sacred darkness with renowned wisdom keepers Pat McCabe (Woman Stands Shining) and Francis Weller. Recorded on December 21, 2024, at SAND’s Winter Solstice gathering, this episode invites you into a virtual ceremonial space that honors the winter solstice as a powerful moment of transition and transformation.  Through poetry, storytelling, and profound dialogue, McCabe and Weller guide us in exploring the sacred landscapes of loss and regeneration. Drawing from Indigenous wisdom and archetypal psychology, they illuminate how embracing grief and releasing what no longer serves can awaken the tender seeds of renewal within us. This is an invitation to witness and metabolize both personal and collective transitions, understanding death not as an end but as a sacred dreaming—a portal to transformation. This episode offers a contemplative space to embrace life’s cyclical nature, reflecting on the solstice as a time for inner alchemy. Together, we honor the rhythms of descent and renewal, finding meaning and hope in the fertile darkness of winter. Whether you are seeking solace, inspiration, or deeper connection, this conversation is a profound offering for anyone navigating the thresholds of life. Pat McCabe (Weyakpa Najin Win, Woman Stands Shining) is a Diné (Navajo) mother, grandmother, activist, artist, writer, ceremonial leader, and international speaker. She is a voice for global peace, and her paintings are created as tools for individual, earth and global healing. She draws upon the Indigenous sciences of Thriving Life to reframe questions about sustainability and balance, and she is devoted to supporting the next generations, Women’s Nation and Men’s Nation, in being functional members of the “Hoop of Life” and upholding the honor of being human. Francis Weller, MFT, is a psychotherapist, writer and soul activist. He is a master of synthesizing diverse streams of thought from psychology, anthropology, mythology, alchemy, indigenous cultures and poetic traditions. Author of The Wild Edge of Sorrow: Rituals of Renewal and the Sacred Work of Grief; The Threshold Between Loss and Revelation, (with Rashani Réa) and In the Absence of the Ordinary: Essays in a Time of Uncertainty, he has introduced the healing work of ritual to thousands of people. He founded and directs WisdomBridge, an organization that offers educational programs that seek to integrate the wisdom from indigenous cultures with the insights and knowledge gathered from western poetic, psychological and spiritual traditions. Topics 00:00 Introduction and Setting the Scene 02:07 Introducing the Guests: Pat McCabe and Francis Weller 03:30 Pat McCabe's Opening Reflections 08:24 The Sacredness of Water and Ceremony 19:07 Francis Weller on Grief and Gratitude 22:54 The Long Dark: Embracing Darkness and Descent 27:49 The Medicine for the Long Dark 40:48 The Gift of Shame and Healing 41:27 Facing Grief Together 42:44 Embracing the Darkness 43:39 Interconnectedness and Affection 45:11 The Medicine of Rest and Patience 49:14 A Journey to Hiroshima 52:43 The Power of Storytelling 58:10 “Heabeat” by Danit (song) 01:04:37 Fearless Generosity and the Hollow Reed 01:09:00 The Necessity of Beauty 01:13:11 Closing Reflections and Prayers Resources from Episode Danit - Heartbeat Refugia (Kathleen Dean Moore) Embodiment Matters - On Creating Refugia: Some New Offerings Duane Elgin - Choosing Earth: Humanity’s Transition to a New Civilization Deborah Eden Tull - Luminous Darkness David Whyte - Sweet Darkness Joan Halifax - The Fruitful Darkness Support the mission of SAND and the production of this podcast by becoming a SAND Member

Today we are in conversation with Ayurvedic doctor Dr. Avanti Kumar-Singh where we discuss longevity through the lens of intergenerational trauma, colonization, ecological collapse, and how the ancient practice of Ayurvedic medicine might contain remidies for what ails our modern health crises. Avanti Kumar-Singh, MD, is an internationally recognized Ayurveda and integrative medicine practitioner, certified yoga therapist, and former ER doctor. Her approach blends Western medicine with the ancient wisdom of Ayurveda from her South Asian lineage. Dr. Avanti is the former co-lead facilitator at Northwestern Medicine's Osher Center for Integrative Health, hosts The Healing Catalyst podcast, and offers courses on integrative medicine. She is a sought-after speaker and advisor in the wellness community, sharing her expertise with Fortune 500 companies, top academic institutions, and leading industry and medical conferences. Her work has been featured in Huffington Post, Goop, mindbodygreen, and more.   Her new book is The Longevity Formula: Ayurvedic Principles to Reduce Inflammation, Increase Cellular Repair, and Live With Vitality (Sounds True, 2024). Topics: 00:00 Introduction to Dr. Avanti Kumar-Singh01:33 Inspiration Behind 'The Longevity Formula'03:54 Understanding Lifespan vs. Health Span05:42 Ayurveda's Role in Longevity06:55 Integrating Ancient Practices with Modern Medicine09:58 The Concept of Balance in Ayurveda15:39 Ayurveda in Modern India20:25 Inflammation and Its Impact on Health24:33 Nourishing the Tissues: Connecting Practices25:00 Understanding Inflammation: Signs and Symptoms26:08 Listening to Your Body: Symptoms as Information28:59 Ayurveda and Circadian Rhythms32:47 Seasonal Eating: Aligning with Nature35:30 Energetic Medicine: The Blueprint of Health43:31 Practical Tips for Longevity47:09 The Importance of Connection49:06 Final Thoughts and Reflections Support the mission of SAND and the production of this podcast by becoming a SAND Member

Zaya and Maurizio Benazzo host this captivating conversation into divine and personal love with two modern-day mystics, held dear by SAND from a SAND Community Gaterhing from July 2023. Love, a powerful catalyst for transformation on the spiritual path, resonates at the core of our being. Through this dialogue, we will transcend the limitations of a narrow, individualized perception of love, immersing ourselves in the boundless realm of our true nature—a universal expression of pure love. Episcopal priest, writer, and internationally known retreat leader, Cynthia Bourgeault divides her time between solitude at her coastal home in Maine and a demanding schedule traveling globally to teach and spread the recovery of the Christian contemplative path. She is the founding Director of both The Contemplative Society and the Aspen Wisdom School. Hameed Ali (A. H. Almaas), Founder of the Diamond Approach, was born in the Middle East, but at age 18 he moved to the USA to study at the University of California in Berkeley. Hameed was working on his Ph.D. in physics, where he was studying Einstein’s theory of general relativity and nuclear physics, when he reached a turning point in his life and destiny that led him more and more into inquiring into the psychological and spiritual aspects of human nature. Hameed is the founder of the Diamond Approach®—a spiritual teaching that utilizes a unique kind of inquiry into realization. Topics: 00:00 Welcome and Introductions 01:03 Introducing Cynthia Bourgeault 02:17 Introducing Hamid Ali and Non-Dual Love 03:07 Exploring Non-Dual Love 03:50 Cynthia's Perspective on Non-Dual Love 06:06 Hamid's Perspective on Non-Dual Love 08:44 The Nature of Divine Love 12:46 The Role of Love in Human Experience 18:14 The Transformative Power of Love 28:09 Understanding True Love 47:33 Healing Through Love and Gratitude 01:02:05 Closing Remarks and Reflections Support the mission of SAND and the production of this podcast by becoming a SAND Member

In this important conversation examining the vital role of journalists and documentarians in conflict zones, Palestinian journalist, Mariam Barghouti and Jenin resident, Rawand Arqawi share their firsthand experiences with Palestinian trauma healer, Ashira Darwish, cutting through the fog of misinformation to reveal the human realities often obscured in Western mainstream narratives. Our guests shared first-hand experiences on reporting from Jenin and the broader region, exploring both the crucial importance of ground-level documentation and the challenges faced by those who undertake this work.  Documenting truth has become increasingly dangerous as we’ve seen more journalists killed in Israeli attacks in Gaza and Lebanon in the past 12 months than in any similar recorded period since 1992, according to the Committee to Protect Journalists. Mariam Barghouti is a Palestinian-American writer, researcher, and journalist based in Ramallah. She holds a BA in English from Birzeit University and an MSc in Sociology from the University of Edinburgh, where she focused on Israeli Ashkenazi-Mizrahi racial hierarchies.  Barghouti is known for monitoring humanitarian aid in Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and Palestine for various organizations. Her political commentary and research have featured prominently in CNN, Al Jazeera, The Guardian, BBC, The New York Times, and more. She has contributed to books like I Found Myself in Palestine and written profiles on Palestinian figures such as artist Khaled Hourani and politician Dr. Hanan Ashrawi.   Ashira Ali Darwish worked for 15 years as a TV & Radio journalist and researcher in Palestine for the BBC, Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch. She is the founder of Catharsis Holistic Healing, a trauma therapy project pioneering a type of Sufi active meditation which draws its roots from ancestral and Indigenous knowledge. Her personal healing journey from full body paralysis with a severed spinal cord in 2012 has given her a deep insight into the process of recovery and healing. In 2021, she received the “ISABS Honours” from the Indian Society for Applied Behavioural Science for her contribution to positive societal transformation.   Rawand Arqawi is a producer and cultural manager who was born and grew up in Jenin.  She worked as a production coordinator for nearly six years with the Freedom Theatre, working under theater artist Juliano Mer-Khamis. During her time with the Freedom Theatre, she coordinated dozens of performances, workshops, international tours, exchanges, as well as managing communications, international volunteers, fundraising, and logistics. Beyond her work with the Freedom Theatre, she has contributed to various local artistic projects and groups, including working as a production assistant for Al Jazeera Children. In 2013, she initiated Fragments theater, and has since then continued to produce several performances and workshops. She is passionate about using arts as a tool of resistance.   Topics: 00:00 Introduction and Welcome 00:31 The Crisis in Journalism 01:55 Introducing the Guests 03:55 Rawand's Testimony on Jenin 14:27 Mariam's Insights on the West Bank 21:36 Challenges for Journalists 26:48 The Fragments Theater 27:38 Reflecting on Giuliano's Dream 28:14 Initiating Cultural Activities in Jenin 29:25 Challenges and Mental Health Initiatives 32:41 The Impact of Giuliano's Assassination 36:54 The Role of the Palestinian Authority 43:10 The Struggle for Life and Resistance 51:46 Supporting Jenin Cultural Center 54:33 Closing Remarks and Call to Action Links: Support the Jenin Cultural Center Watch Where Olive Trees Weep Purchase the and the full 23-video series Conversations on Palestine Learn more about the SAND Community Gatherings Support the mission of SAND and the production of this podcast by becoming a SAND Member

​“We are not walking through the world; we are interwoven with it. In everything we do, we participate in complexity.”–Neil Theise Neil Theise is a professor of pathology at the NYU Grossman School of Medicine. Through his scientific research, he has been a pioneer of adult stem cell plasticity and the anatomy of the human interstitium. Dr. Theise’s studies in complexity theory have led to interdisciplinary collaborations in fields such as integrative medicine, consciousness studies, and science-religion dialogue. Neil’s new book, which we discuss on the episode, is Notes on Complexity​ Topics 00:00 – Introduction 02:15 – Neil’s Scientific and Spiritual Background 08:29 – Complexity and the Merging of Science and Spirituality 15:48 – Complex vs. Complicated 22:14 – Chaos, Fractals, and Emergence 29:48 – Biological Emergence 36:44 – Incompleteness Theorem, Quantum Physics, and Consciousness 47:02 – Complexity and Resiliency Support the mission of SAND and the production of this podcast by becoming a SAND Member  

Michael Meade is a renowned storyteller and scholar of mythology, anthropology, and psychology, who draws from his study of archetypal myths, ancestral wisdom and cross-cultural rituals to interpret our remarkable moment in human history. While many of us are attempting to recognize our own self-terminating patterns and inhabit new ways of being human, Michael helps us to see the stories we are living, and the new stories that are calling us. He is the author of many books, including The Genius Myth, Fate and Destiny, Why the World Doesn’t End and The Water of Life.  He is also the founder of Mosaic Multicultural Foundation, a nonprofit organization that initiates innovative projects and unifying events that support and educate at-risk youth, refugees, combat veterans, and communities in need. Resources: Michael Meade and Mosaic Multicultural Foundation ARTS AND PRACTICES - Antidotes to Overwhelm Sources of Resilience Michael Meade podcast, videos and essays Facing the Cascade of Crises: A SAND Community Gathering with Michael Meade and Gail Brenner Holding the Thread of Life: Michael Meade (Live at SAND 19) (heard in the episode around 38:00) Drumming at the Edge of Magic by Mickey Hart Topics: 00:00 Introduction 02:11 US Elections and Political Climate 02:48 Cultural and Environmental Unraveling 06:42 The Role of Uncertainty and Inner Self 08:09 Mythology and the Deeper Self 10:25 Rite of Passage and Personal Transformation 18:47 The Genius Myth vs. The Hero Myth 23:47 The Nature of the Soul and Family Expectations 28:26 Discovering Your Calling in Descent 29:30 The Whisper of Genius 31:01 Flattening of Modern Culture 31:53 The Role of Inspiration in the Arts 32:40 The Power of Practice 33:19 The Sound of Creation 37:02 "Holding the Thread of Life" (Excerpt) live at SAND 19 by Michael Meade 40:25 Quieting Down to Hear the Call 41:47 Expressing Emotions for Healing 46:32 The Importance of Grief and Compassion 48:57 The Magic of Words 53:27 Connecting with Mythological Ideas 54:50 Conclusion and Future Conversations Support the mission of SAND and the production of this podcast by becoming a SAND Member  

Standing for Collective Liberation “No one will be free if the others live under occupation. No one will be safe unless everyone is safe.” In this live SAND Community Gathering (November 2024) Zaya and Maurizio were in discussion with Palestinian and Israeli peace activists Osama lliwat & Rotem Levin who share their personal stories, describe the reality on the ground, and explain their vision for a path toward collective liberation. Osama lliwat was born in Jerusalem and grew up in Jericho, after his family was displaced in 1967. In the peace world for more than 15 years and the co-founder of Visit Palestine, he has dedicated his life to nonviolent resistance. He has worked with the Sulha Peace Project and Interfaith Encounter Association, appeared in several documentaries including Objector and The Other, and speaks regularly on peacebuilding at organizations and universities around the world. Rotem Levin was born and raised in Ein Vered. After his military service, he participated in a transformational intensive dialogue program in Germany, where he got to know Palestinians on a personal and intimate level. This instigated a change in perspective on the story he was born and raised with. After this experience, he started organizing similar programs in Aqaba, Jordan, where he offered the experience to other post-military Israelis and to Palestinian and Israeli medical workers. He is a committed activist and doctor by profession. Topics: 00:00 – Introduction and Welcome 00:45 – Context of the Gaza Conflict 03:33 – Osama Liwat's Background 04:05 – Rotem Levin's Background 09:41 – Rotem's Personal Journey 20:11 – Reflections on the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict 27:35 – Living in the West Bank 33:35 – The Statelessness of Palestinians 34:30 – Personal Stories of Displacement 35:38 – Growing Up Amidst Conflict 43:19 – Acts of Resistance 54:03 – Encountering Peace Activists 01:02:29 – A Call for Unity and Humanity 01:06:47 – Final Reflections and Gratitude Links: Watch Where Olive Trees Weep Purchase the full 23-video series Conversations on Palestine Learn more about the SAND Community Gatherings Support the mission of SAND and the production of this podcast by becoming a SAND Member

Manda Scott is an award-winning novelist and host of the acclaimed Accidental Gods podcast. Best known for the Boudica: Dreaming series, her previous novels have been short-listed for the Orange Prize, the Edgar, Wilbur Smith and Saltire Awards and won the McIllvanney Prize. Her latest novel ANY HUMAN POWER is a Mytho-Political thriller which lays out a Thrutopian road map to a flourishing future we’d be proud to leave to the generations that come after us. With degrees in veterinary medicine and a Masters in Regenerative Economics, Manda’s life is oriented towards creating radical new narratives that will pave the way to the total systemic change our culture – and our world – needs. ANY HUMAN POWER is available for sale on Amazon. Connect with Manda Scott on Facebook, Bluesky, Goodreads, Instagram, and LinkedIn. Topics 00:00 – Introduction and Support Request 01:00 – Guest Introduction: Manda Scott 02:04 – Discussion on Thrutopian Novels 02:45 – Manda Scott’s Literary Influences 07:01 – Spiritual Practices and Shamanic Path 12:25 – The Concept of Thrutopian Fiction 17:29 – The Power of Fiction in Inspiring Change 21:22 – Genesis of ‘Any Human Power’ 27:45 – The Role of Dreaming in Spiritual Practice 27:52 – Shamanic Dreaming and Its Significance 29:08 – Connecting with Loved Ones Through Dreams 30:36 – Trauma Culture and Initiation Cultures 32:11 – The Four Stages of Evolution 36:40 – Dopamine vs. Serotonin Reward Systems 40:01 – The Importance of Community and Connection 45:11 – The Future of Spiritual Practice and Writing 46:29 – Integrating Dreaming into Daily Life 48:36 – Concluding Thoughts on Modernity and Community Resources The Weirdstone of Brisingamen by Alan Garner Eagle of the Ninth by Rosemary Sutcliff The Last of the Mohicans (1971 TV Series) Braiding Sweetgrass by Robin Wall Kimmerer Riding the Horse Backwards by Arnold and Amy Mindell Regenesis by George Monbiot Sounds of SAND #85 In Our Bones: Osprey Orielle Lake Sounds of SAND #65 Emptiness & Grief: Francis Weller Sounds of SAND #98 Glissando of Consciousness: Andrew Holecek Sounds of SAND #11 Quantum Listening: IONE Support the mission of SAND and the production of this podcast by becoming a SAND Member.

Disentangling Judaism from the Violence of Occupation “The way to manifest your sacredness is to embody sacredness – to treat all life as sacred.”– Rabbi Cat Zavis In this live SAND Community Gathering (October 2024) Zaya and Maurizio Benazzo were in discussion with Rabbi Cat Zavis, a renowned Jewsish teacher, writer, and social justice activist. They discussed the misuse of Judaism to justify the brutal Israeli occupation of Palestinian territories. Drawing on deep Jewish ethical traditions of justice and compassion, Rabbi Zavis showed how the occupation fundamentally contradicts core Jewish values. We explored the rich history of Jewish opposition to occupation and highlight contemporary movements working to honor Judaism’s ethical mandate, “Never Again” for anyone.Rabbi Cat Zavis is a passionate shaper of Jewish rituals and services that inspire and draw connections between the spiritual, personal, and political. She is a spiritual social justice activist, attorney, and visionary leader with over 20 years experience in empathic and people-centered leadership and collaboration. A sought after facilitator and trainer in nonviolent communication, prophetic empathy, collaboration, and conflict resolution, she has over 25 years experience working with and helping people understand our shared needs and how to challenge manifestations of othering and build beloved communities of belonging. While co-editor of Tikkun magazine, she wrote articles and helped shape the magazine; as Executive Director of the Network of Spiritual Progressives she has trained over 1000 people in Prophetic Empathy and Revolutionary Love. Support the mission of SAND and the production of this podcast by becoming a SAND Member. Resources Tikkun Beyt Tikkun Roots (1977 Miniseries) One Hundred Years War on Palestine by Rasheed Khalidi Jewish Voices for Peace SAND’s Helpful Resources on Palestine Topics 00:00 – Introduction and Greetings 00:31 – Current Situation in Gaza 01:58 – Introducing Rabbi Cat Zavis 02:16 – Rabbi Cat Zavis' Background 05:17 – Personal Journey and Reflections 12:11 – Jewish Ethical Values and Israeli Occupation 15:58 – The Split in the Jewish Community 24:54 – Truth, Justice, and Peace in Judaism 27:07 – Pursuing Truth and Justice 28:01 – Condemnation of Israeli Actions 29:43 – Judaism vs. Zionism 30:47 – Anti-Zionist Jewish Thinkers 32:08 – Theological Perspectives on Zionism 34:33 – Solidarity and Liberation 40:59 – The Role of Fear and Trauma 45:21 – Call for International Intervention 47:34 – Practical Support for Palestinian Rights 49:33 – Spiritual Reflections and Blessings

In this episode we present excerpts from the recent conversation (June 2024) as part of SAND’s “Conversations on Palestine” around the premiere of the film Where Olive Trees Weep hosted by the directors of the film and co-founders of SAND, Zaya and Maurizio Benazzo. You can watch this full conversation and 22 others at Where Olive Trees Weep: 23 Conversations on Palestine. SAND has created a program with leading historians, spiritual teachers, trauma therapists, poets and performers to complement the themes explored in the film and provide a larger historical, cultural and social context to the plight of the Palestinian people These Black activists and scholars came together to shed light on the intersection anti-Black racism, Israeli apartheid, patriarchal oppression, and predatory capitalism’s interconnected plunder. This panel discussed the coalitional power that blossoms when we recognize our kindred liberatory movements. Their dialogue illustrated how the subjugation of any community reverberates as a threat against the collective freedom and wellbeing of all humanity. Their truth disrupts manufactured divisions and nurtures the global, intergenerational solidarities indispensable for our mutual emancipation. Faith Gay is an activist and incoming Master’s student at Princeton University with a background in anti-war organizing and congressional advocacy. Her work focuses on democratizing United States foreign policy so that it can be influenced by those most impacted by it, including those outside of Washington. She is a member of Black for Palestine, a collective organizing Black people in the U.S. to leverage their political, economic, and cultural power in support of Palestinian liberation and to end U.S. complicity in Israeli apartheid. Rev. Naomi Washington-Leapheart is a Black queer preacher, teacher, strategist, and justice advocate. She is an adjunct professor of theology and religious studies at Villanova University and in the spring of 2024 completed a two year term as the Government Fellow for Religion and Public Life at Harvard Divinity School. Rev. Naomi also serves as the first-ever Strategic Partnerships Director at Political Research Associates (PRA), a social justice research and strategy center that provides strategic insights and actionable research that identifies, disrupts, and competes with movements and institutions that undermine democracy, justice, and human rights. In 2021, Rev. Naomi founded Salt | Yeast | Light, an organization that develops spaces of spiritual education, disruption, reflection, transformation, and public action. Most recently, she joined the national leadership team of Christians for a Free Palestine. Imam Adeyinka Mendes is a spiritual counselor, meditation teacher, rites of passage facilitator, author, and Muslim religious leader based in Houston, Texas. He has been a student of the mystical traditions of Islam as well as indigenous and West African spiritual traditions for over 30 years after a life changing journey to Jerusalem at the age of 16. His focus as a teacher is on conveying the wisdom of our ancestors in ways that address the challenges and opportunities of the modern world. He is the founding director of Marhama (Arabic for 'expressing mutual compassion') Village, a community focused on building sustainable institutions through empowering service, prophetic spirituality, traditional knowledge, indigenous wisdom, and the arts. He has studied Classical Arabic, Islamic Sciences, sacred meditation, and the science of peace-building with sages and scholars from the United States, Syria, Sudan, Morocco, Mauritania, Nigeria, Egypt, Haiti, Senegal, and The Gambia. He imagines a world in which spiritual seekers from every tradition work together to establish a world of sacred service, compassion, and justice for every life. (Scheduled, but not present in the recording because of illness)Pastor Michael McBride is the executive director for LIVE FREE USA, a national organizing and social change network committed to ending the criminalization of people of color, reducing gun violence and transforming the policing and the criminal justice system. He was named by the Center for American Progress as a Top Clergy Leader in 2013 and served on President Obama’s Faith Based and Neighborhood Partnerships Council to address Poverty and Inequality in 2016. He is one of the national leaders in the movement to implement public health gun violence prevention programs, recently featured as one of CNN’s Champions of Change. He is the co-founder of Black Church PAC and the Black Brown Peace Consortium. Pastor McBride serves as the Lead Pastor of The Way Church in Berkeley, CA. He has been a frequent contributor to the New York Times, the Washington Post, MSNBC, CNN, the Huffington Post and many other media outlets. Topics 00:00 Introduction and Welcome 02:25 Introducing Faith Gay 03:08 Faith Gay's Journey to Activism 06:22 Reverend Naomi's Story 10:46 Imam Adeyinka's Experience 18:06 Pastor Michael McBride's Work 19:55 Recognizing Apartheid and Segregation 28:23 Bearing Witness and Economic Support 33:27 Responding to Apartheid 34:33 Personal Reflections on Compromise 35:58 The Domino Effect of Speaking Out 37:57 White Supremacy and Global Racism 41:54 Solidarity with Indigenous People 42:51 The Importance of Healing 47:55 Spiritual Imperatives and Activism 52:10 Final Reflections and Call to Action SAND’s Helpful Resources on Palestine: https://whereolivetreesweep.com/resources/ Support the mission of SAND and the production of this podcast by becoming a SAND Member.

Ash Canty (he/him) is a trans masc, afro-indigenous, non-binary Psychic Medium & Death Guide. He support's and walks others in the threshold of their own unique death and dying process. He is led by spirit and his West African Benin, Eastern Band Cherokee, Northern Haudenosaunee and Blackfeet ancestors as well as the natural world in all that he does. In his mediumship gifts he offers powerful evidential mediumship readings & holds ongoing monthly live events, classes & courses for their community and supports them in remembering their own connection with spirit & the multidimensional realities or relation that surround us all. Links: Website Substack Instagram  The Liberation Portal Program Private Readings Topics: 00:00 – Introduction and Guest Welcome 01:27 – Ash Canty's Journey as a Medium 04:04 – Impact of Collective Grief 06:24 – Offering Spirit Readings to Palestinians 12:00 – Connecting with Ancestors and the Land 19:57 – Healing Through Grief and Connection 27:25 – Exploring the Four Elements 27:36 – Accessing Grief Through Simple Practices 29:34 – Non-Linear Nature of Grief 32:26 – Grief and Gratitude: Two Sides of the Same Coin 36:22 – Messages from Ancestors 44:21 – Energy of War and Peace 46:48 – The Liberation Portal Program 47:47 – Live Show Events and Conclusion Support the mission of SAND and the production of this podcast by becoming a SAND Member.

In this Community Gathering (October 2024) Zaya and Maurizio were in discussion with Pir Zia Inayat Khan, a renowned spiritual teacher in the Sufi tradition, and explored the practice of turning toward the heart — a fundamental concept in Sufism and many other spiritual paths.   Can we see the heart not just as a physical organ, but as a center of consciousness, wisdom, and divine connection? Will this inner orientation lead us to greater self-awareness, compassion, and spiritual growth?   Drawing from Sufi wisdom and his own experience, Pir Zia offered insights on cultivating a heart-centered approach to life in a modern world that uplifts comfort to ignore suffering, and developing the ability to see where there is pain and hardship in order to bring healing there.   Together, we will explore the question, “How can we harmonize the inward journey with the outward call to stand for justice?”   Pir Zia Inayat Khan, PH.D., is a scholar of religion and teacher of Sufism in the universalist Sufi lineage of his grandfather, Hazrat Inayat Khan. Pir Zia is president of the Inayatiyya and founder of Sulūk Academy, a school of Sufi contemplative study and practice. He is author of Immortality: A Traveler’s Guide; Dream Flowers: The Collected Works of Noor Inayat Khan; Mingled Waters: Sufism and the Mystical Unity of Religions; and Saracen Chivalry: Counsels on Valor, Generosity and the Mystical Quest. He is editor of Caravan of Souls: An Introduction to the Sufi Path of Hazrat Inayat Khan. Pir Zia divides his time between Richmond, Virginia and Suresnes, France.   https://inayatiyya.org/ Watch the full video version of this event here: https://scienceandnonduality.com/event/turning-toward-the-heart/ Topics: 00:00 – Introduction and Welcome 00:47 – Introducing Pir Zia Inayat Khan 01:50 – The Legacy of Hazrat Inayat Khan 06:14 – Understanding Sufism and Its Origins 12:00 – The Heart and Mind in Sufism 16:35 – Stages of the Sufi Path 24:45 – Embracing Suffering and Compassion 29:04 – The Power of the Heart in Healing 33:43 – The Responsibility of Action and Hope 35:40 – The Heroic Legacy of Noor Inayat Khan 39:27 – Sufi Influence and Universal Oneness 45:40 – Breaking the Cycle of Suffering 49:48 – The Ego and Collective Identity 53:44 – Interconnectedness and Healing 54:59 – Closing Reflections and Gratitude Resources: Where Olive Trees Weep (film by SAND) Inayat Khan Foundation – Inayatiyya - The Inayati Order Suluk Academy Caravan of Souls (book) Pir Zia Inayat Khan Teachings Hazrat Inayat Khan Teachings Noor Inayat Khan’s Legacy – Noor Inayat Khan: The Forgotten Spy Twenty Jataka Tales by Noor Inayat Khan Sounds of SAND #18 The Mysticism of Sound and Music (Podcast with Michael Harrison, Inayat Khan music scholar and composer) Support the mission of SAND and the production of this podcast by becoming a SAND Member.

Dr. Kamilah Majied, MSW, PhD, is a contemplative inclusivity and equity consultant, mental health therapist, clinical educator, researcher, and internationally engaged consultant on building inclusivity and equity using meditative practices. She is the author of Joyfully Just: Black Wisdom and Buddhist Insights for Liberated Living (Sounds True, 2024), and has authored many articles and chapters, including in the second edition of Advances in Contemplative Psychotherapy: “Contemplative Practices for Assessing and Eliminating Racism in Psychotherapy.” Resources: Reaching Beyond: Improvisations on Jazz, Buddhism, and a Joyful Life Wayne Shorter: The Jazz of Liberation - Tricycle Beyond White Mindfulness: Critical Perspectives on Racism, Well-being and Liberation - Routledge On the Origins of Woke - The Past Acclaimed Poet and Scholar Sonia Sanchez Delivers Stories of Opportunity and Resistance - Swarthmore College Joy That I Have - Rise Up and Sing Topics: 00:00 – Introduction to Dr. Kamilah Majied 01:29 – The Path of Buddhism and Personal Growth 02:40 – Intertwining Buddhism with Social Justice 03:32 – Influence of Family and Early Spiritual Exposure 08:24 – Black Wisdom Traditions and Cultural Contributions 11:08 – Cultural Appropriation and Mindfulness 27:38 – Global Majority and Reparative Relationality 30:43 – The Power of Words and Language 35:46 – Grief, Joy, and Social Justice 52:05 – Guided Meditation and Closing Thoughts Support the mission of SAND and the production of this podcast by becoming a SAND Member.

In this SAND Community Gathering (September 2024) Zaya and Maurizio sat down with Jess Semaan, poet, psychotherapist and facilitator to explore the intersection of poetry and grief in the context of genocide. They drew from her research on genocide, as well as her personal and professional experiences, Jess tended to our psycho-spiritual profound sorrow and loss in this time. By giving voice to the unspeakable and providing a means of bearing witness to the stories of those impacted by the trauma of large-scale atrocities, we are making space for individual and collective healing. Poetry helps us navigate the complex terrain of grief, injustice, and human suffering. Come and honor the resilience of communities that have endured such immense trauma. Jess Semaan is a queer Lebanese poet, psychotherapist, group facilitator and speaker. She researches, writes and speaks on subjects of healing from complex trauma, immigration, war and belonging.  Her first poetry book Child of the Moon was published by Andrews McMeel and sold over 14,000 copies. Her second book Your Therapist is Depressed Too came out in December 2023. She immigrated to the United States from Beirut. She has an MBA from Stanford and an M.A. in counseling Psychology from CIIS. She identifies as SWANA (South West Asia and North Africa), with grandparents from Syria, Palestine and Mount Lebanon and resides on Ohlone land (Oakland, California), with her partner Berk and their two cats. Topics: 00:00 – Introduction and Greetings 00:43 – Special Guest: Jess Semaan 00:56 – Reflecting on Recent Screenings 02:12 – Jess Semaan's Background and Work 03:03 – Poetry Reading: Let Gaza In 06:26 – Technical Difficulties and Reflections 07:56 – Discussing Genocide and Dehumanization 09:05 – Personal Journey and Psychological Insights 11:11 – The Complexity of Beirut 12:59 – The Psychological Impact of Diaspora 15:51 – Research on Genocide and Human Cruelty 26:46 – Poetry Reading: Is it a Massacre if it's a Palestinian? 28:51 – Healing Workshop and Collective Trauma 30:13 – Understanding My Mother's Trauma 31:51 – The Collective and Individual Psyche 34:07 – Critical Thinking and Cultural Differences 36:04 – The Role of Bystanders in Conflict 43:24 – Grieving Amidst Ongoing Conflict 51:29 – Poetry of Resistance and Grief 57:31 – Closing Reflections Support the mission of SAND and the production of this podcast by becoming a SAND Member

In this episode, Michael Reiley engages in an insightful discussion with Michael Joshin Thiele, a honeybee conservationist and president of Apis Arborea. The conversation explores the intersections of cultural, spiritual, and ecological dimensions of natural honeybee life. Michael Joshin Thiele is an apiculture consultant and founder and president of Apis Arborea, a nonprofit focused on honeybee conservation through deep ecology and ecosystem-based strategies. Originally from Germany, he studied philosophy and anthropology in Berlin before relocating to the San Francisco Bay Area for Zen Buddhist training. With over a decade of experience, Michael has presented his innovative beekeeping practices at institutions like Harvard and NYU, and co-founded one of the first honeybee refuges in the U.S. His work has been featured in major media and films like Rewilding Honey Bees and Queen of the Sun. https://www.apisarborea.org/ Topics: 00:00 – Introduction 01:13 – Michael Thiele's Journey with Bees 02:52 – The Spiritual Connection with Bees 03:35 – Zen Monastery Experience 04:52 – Bees and Dharma 08:37 – Language and Terminology 15:28 – Critique of Industrial Beekeeping 22:40 – Founding of Apis Arborea 27:45 – The Music of Bees 34:41 – Ethics and Apian Culture 48:11 – Apian Alchemy Support the mission of SAND and the production of this podcast by becoming a SAND Member

Welcome to our 100th episode of the Sounds of SAND podcast, marking two years since we launched on September 8, 2022. As SAND grows and evolves with the changing times, we aim to integrate—not abandon—our foundational themes of spiritual awakening, embodiment, consciousness, and scientific wonder, while also confronting pressing global challenges such as environmental collapse, indigenous resilience, war, and societal upheaval. In the past year, SAND released our latest film, Where Olive Trees Weep, which offers a powerful look into the lives and struggles of the Palestinian people under Israeli occupation. This film explores themes of loss, trauma, resilience, and the quest for justice. Alongside the film, we hosted Conversations on Palestine, a 23-part series of discussions diving deeper into the experiences and stories shared in the film. Throughout the year, the podcast shifted focus to complex conversations around intergenerational trauma, colonialism, and spiritual activism, with episodes hosted by SAND co-founders Zaya and Maurizio Benazzo, and co-host and producer, Michael Reiley. Today, we revisit some of the most powerful moments from the past year, with a special focus on the voices that have shaped our "Where Olive Trees Weep" film and series. Thank you for being part of our journey over these two incredible years. Let’s continue to engage with the profound conversations that shape our collective understanding and growth. Topics: 00:00:00 – Introduction 00:03:01 – #86 SAND’s New Film on Spirituality in the Face of Injustice: Zaya & Maurizio Benazzo 00:09:31 – #92 Gaza & the Bodhisattva Path: Dr. Gabor Maté & Tara Brach 00:18:55 – #60 Spiritual Warriors: Lama Rod Owens 00:24:00 – #91 Decolonizing Healthcare: Dr. Rupa Marya 00:31:14 – #84 Grieving in Community: Mirabai Starr & Mona Haydar 00:43:10 – #94 One Human Family: Tenzin Wangyal Rinpoche, Rev. Deborah Lee, Rabbi Lynn Gottlieb, Pir Zia Inayat Khan 01:00:46 – #75 Love-With-Justice: Omid Safi 01:17:42 – #89 Arab Jewish Mysticism: Hadar Cohen 01:27:48 – #58 On Extinction & Enchantment: Alixa Garcia 01:36:12 – #93 Feminine Resistance in Palestine: Ashira Darwish & V Links: Watch Where Olive Trees Weep Purchase the and the full 23-video series Conversations on Palestine Learn more about the SAND Community Gatherings   Support the mission of SAND and the production of this podcast by becoming a SAND Member.