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Sounds of SAND invites listeners into a contemplative journey through the infinite cycles of existence - from its raw beauty to its deepest mysteries, from its intricate complexity to its profound wonder. Through intimate conversations, thought-provoking interviews, poetic readings, and carefully curated music, we weave together ancient wisdom with lived experience, creating a tapestry of sound that honors the great questions of being
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Ancestral Bone Mapping & Healing: Reweaving the Soul Through Bone, Beauty, and Ancestral Nourishment with Iya AffoThrough rhythms of beauty, grief, and intergenerational wisdom, this presentation and conversation explored healing through the languages of somatic ritual, trauma-informed neurobiology, and ancestral remembering.
Iya Affo is a Culturalist and Historical Trauma consultant. She earned Western certification as a Trauma Specialist and is a descendant of a long line of traditional healers from Bénin, West Africa. Iya serves as an Executive Board Member for the Arizona ACEs Consortium, is an Adjunct Faculty member at the Arizona Trauma Institute, and is the founder of Heal Historical Trauma Culture & Indigenous Wellness Academy. She has visited more than 30 countries; living in Jewish, Buddhist, Hindu, Taoist, Native American, and Yoruba communities, embracing aspects from each culture for personal evolution. She strives to transcend tolerance through cultivating love and respect in hopes of facilitating the decolonization and subsequent healing of indigenous people from all over the world. Iya advocates for the harmonization of Traditional Medicine and Western Medicine for true holistic healing.
ALTÆR is a sacred invitation into ancestral medicine, where the body is honored as shrine, and the bones are read as living scrolls. Culturalist and Historical Trauma Consultant Iya Affo brings her deep-rooted knowledge and ceremonial practice to this space. As a featured presence in The Eternal Song film and founder of the Heal Historical Trauma Culture & Indigenous Wellness Academy, Iya carries experience across many Indigenous communities and advocates for the harmonization of Traditional and Western medicine as a path to collective wholeness.
ALTÆR: The Bones Remember – Eight week course with Iya Affo
Topics:
00:00 Introduction and Greetings
00:42 Introducing Iya Affo
01:44 Acknowledging Ancestral Lands and Ancestors
04:25 The Importance of Ancestral Healing
09:38 Understanding Coherence and Healing Practices
18:06 Exploring Bone Mapping
28:11 Personal Story: Ancestral Memory and Birth
32:45 A Difficult Labor and Ancestral Memory
34:33 The Impact of Historical Trauma on Black Women
38:47 Bone Mapping and Spiritual Genetics
43:57 Roles of Men and Women in Ancestral Healing
49:53 Healing Practices and Rituals
57:31 Integrating Indigenous Knowledge with Western Therapy
01:03:20 Closing Reflections and Future Courses
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Please join us along with Rabbi Lynn Gottlieb, Ashira Darwish, Rae Abileah, Shahd Abusalama, Omid Safi, Reverend Michael Yoshii, and Iyas Sartawari for a reckoning.
A collective refusal. A gathering of those who cannot stay silent while genocide is livestreamed.
We do not come together to be informed. We come because we already know.
We come because we refuse to normalize atrocity.
We come to grieve every stolen Palestinian life—every child starved, every family erased.
We come to grieve the collapse of our shared humanity—and to ignite what remains.
This grief is not weakness. It is fire. It is clarity. It is a declaration: we will not look away.
Topics
00:00 Opening Remarks and Introductions
01:24 Shahd Abusalama's Testimony
07:46 Raif Ziada's Poem Recitation
19:53 Rabbi Lynn's Address
28:30 Omid Safi's Prayer and Reflections
40:03 Introduction and Greetings
40:07 Reverend Joshi's Reflections
42:10 Prayers and Songs for the Martyrs
46:09 Ashira's Call to Action
51:28 Rae Abileah's Contributions
52:12 Small Group Discussions
56:21 Project Hope Overview
01:03:59 Final Reflections and Call to Action
01:08:39 Closing Remarks
SupportTogether, we call for the return of UNRWA and the shutting down of the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation (GHF). Funds from the gathering will go to Project Hope, providing aid to Gaza.
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In this live recording from The Eternal Song Seven Day Premier broadcast, hosts Zaya and Maurizio Benazzo engage in a deep discussion with guests Francis Weller, a psychotherapist and soul activist, and Orland Bishop, a spiritual teacher and founder of ShadeTree Foundation. Exploring themes such as indigenous wisdom, the impact of colonialism, communal grieving, and the necessity of reconnecting with ancestral roots. The dialogue also covers the significance of embracing grief as a communal and necessary process for healing and transformation, and reflects on what it means to enter a 'long dark' period — a time of significant societal and personal upheaval. We Explored grief as a sacred threshold, not a pathology, remembering the soul’s place in a world of fragmentation and reclaiming reverence, slowness, and deep belonging in troubled times.
The Eternal Song film series and All-Access Pass
Francis Weller
ShadeTree Multicultural Foundation (Orland Bishop)
Topics
00:00 Introduction to The Eternal Song and Today's Guests
02:05 Opening Invocation and Reflections on Grief
04:36 Historical Context and the Impact of Colonialism
07:37 The Role of Rituals and Ancestral Wisdom
14:38 Communal Grief and Healing Practices
26:06 Entering the Long Dark: A Time of Transformation
39:41 Connecting with Ancestors and Concluding Thoughts
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Lama Rod Owens is a Black Buddhist Southern Queen. An international influencer with a Master of Divinity degree in Buddhist Studies from Harvard Divinity School with a focus on the intersection of social change, identity, and spiritual practice. Author of The New Saints: From Broken Hearts to Spiritual Warriors and Love and Rage: The Path of Liberation through Anger and co-author of Radical Dharma: Talking Race, Love and Liberation, his teachings center on freedom, self-expression, and radical self-care. Highly sought after for talks, retreats, and workshops, his mission is showing you how to heal and free yourself.
Topics:
0:00 – Introduction
2:34 – Global Wars
6:29 – Self-Care at the End of the World
8:57 – Fierce Compassion
14:45 – Ma Tara
20:59 – New Saints
28:03 – Evangelism and Bodhisattva
41:05 – Do We Need Modern-Day Saints?
45:05 – Inclusivity
48:49 – Secular Buddhism and Liberation
55:29 – Prayer
In this episode we present excerpts from the recent conversation (June 2024) as part of SAND’s “Conversations on Palestine” around the premiere of the film Where Olive Trees Weep hosted by the directors of the film and co-founders of SAND, Zaya and Maurizio Benazzo.
You can watch this full conversation and 22 others. SAND has created a program with leading historians, spiritual teachers, trauma therapists, poets and performers to complement the themes explored in the film and provide a larger historical, cultural and social context to the plight of the Palestinian people.
In this powerful interfaith gathering, renowned spiritual leaders from Jewish, Christian, Muslim, and Buddhist traditions came together to express their solidarity with the Palestinian people's struggle for freedom, equality, and human dignity.
These esteemed visionaries modeled the powerful unity that can blossom when we recognize our shared humanity and inherent dignity. Their clarion call for peace with justice in Palestine stands as an inspiration for us all to embody the highest ethical and moral principles of our diverse spiritual traditions.
Guests:
Rabbi Lynn Gottlieb, one of the first women to become a rabbi in Jewish history, is a pioneer Jewish feminist, human rights activist, writer, visual artist, ceremonialist, community educator and master storyteller. Lynn has been a congregational rabbi since the fall of 1973, and founded the Congregation Nahalat Shalom in Albuquerque, NM, in 1980. She engages in multifaith, intergenerational and multicultural organizing in solidarity with racial, indigenous, gender justice and Palestinian liberation struggles. Currently, Lynn sits on the Rabbinic Council of Jewish Voice for Peace and is board chair of Interfaith Movement for Human Integrity. Rabbi Lynn is the author of several books, including Peace Primer II, She Who Dwells Within: A Feminist Vision of Renewed Judaism, World Beyond Borders Passover Haggadah and Trail Guide to the Torah of Nonviolence. Rabbi Lynn is a Shomeret Shalom, a practitioner of the Torah of nonviolence.
Geshe Tenzin Wangyal Rinpoche, founder of Ligmincha International, is a rare master of the Bön Dzogchen tradition in the West. After completing an 11-year course at Menri Monastery in India, where he earned his Geshe degree, he established Ligmincha in 1992 to preserve and introduce Tibetan Bön Buddhist teachings to the West. Fluent in English, Rinpoche is beloved for his clear, insightful teaching style that makes Tibetan practices accessible. He's highly respected across the U.S., Mexico, Europe, and Asia, with centers in the Americas, Europe, and India. Author of 10 books, including "Wonders of the Natural Mind" and "The Tibetan Yogas of Dream and Sleep," Rinpoche shares the profound wisdom of Bön Dzogchen.
Rev. Deborah Lee, Executive Director of the Interfaith Movement for Human Integrity since 2018, brings over 30 years of experience in faith-based social justice. Her expertise spans popular education, community organizing, and advocacy, focusing on issues like race, gender, economic justice, LGBTQ inclusion, and immigrant rights. Under her leadership, the organization has doubled in size and impact. They've closed detention centers, prevented deportations, supported immigrant youth, and established Sanctuary congregations. Notably, they're working to divest from carceral systems and invest in thriving communities. Rev. Lee envisions a world without harm, where every person is considered sacred across bars and borders.
Pir Zia Inayat Khan, Ph.D., is a scholar of religion and teacher of Sufism in the universalist Sufi lineage of his grandfather, Hazrat Inayat Khan. Pir Zia is president of the Inayatiyya and founder of Sulūk Academy, a school of Sufi contemplative study and practice. He is author of Immortality: A Traveler’s Guide; Dream Flowers: The Collected Works of Noor Inayat Khan; Mingled Waters: Sufism and the Mystical Unity of Religions; and Saracen Chivalry: Counsels on Valor, Generosity and the Mystical Quest. He is editor of Caravan of Souls: An Introduction to the Sufi Path of Hazrat Inayat Khan. Pir Zia divides his time between Richmond, Virginia and Suresnes, France.
Topics:
00:00 - Intro
06:00 - Rabbi Lynn Gottlieb
09:10 - Tenzin Wangyal Rinpoche
12:34 - Rev. Deborah Lee
16:00 - Pir Zia Inayat Khan
18:36 - Hope in Dark Times
32:51 - WW2 Perspective
37:48 - Opening Up
47:02 - Silence in Spiritual Communities
Resources:
Rabbi Lynn Gottlieb's website
Rabbi Lynn's collected writings
Rev. Deborah Lee: Interfaith Gaza Ceasefire Pilgrimage
Interfaith Banner-raising for ceasefire: Have your congregation/synagogue/mosque/temple hang a permanent “ceasefire now” banner.
We Will Not Look Away: A Vigil for Grief, Kinship, & Refusal in the Face of Genocide
A Community Gathering with Rabbi Lynn Gottlieb, Ashira Darwish, Rae Abileah & FriendsSupport the mission of SAND and the production of this podcast by becoming a SAND Member.
Alixa García is a Colombian born, globally-raised, multi-disciplinary artist, activist, and cultural activator whose work is imbued in ritual, spirit, and deep reverence for our Great Mother, Great Lover, our Earth. She is an award-winning activist, poet, and filmmaker. She is also a professional writer, visual artist, musician, and facilitator. Her work has been published by Whit Press, AK Press, Hatchett, & Daraja Press.Instagram and Linktree
Alixa’s upcoming course on A Course on the Imaginal: Cultivating the Visionary Self
Mentioned in the Episode the late artist and performer Tigre Bailando
Topics:
00:00:00 – Introduction
00:05:45 – Alixa’s Work
00:12:08 – Indigenous Resilience
00:27:36 – Enchantment
00:43:10 – Burning Man 2023
00:59:52 – Surrender
01:18:24 – A Course on the Imaginal
01:22:36 – “A Message from the Future”
Today on the show, we welcome Scott Kiloby and Toshi Matsunaga, authors of Awake But Sick, to explore the hidden emotional pain that can persist even after profound spiritual awakening. Their work challenges the common myths of nonduality and mindfulness, offering a deeper path through emotional repression, physical illness, and the illusion of immediate freedom. In this conversation, we explore the gap between awakening and true healing, the dangers of spiritual bypassing, and how to reconnect with the body’s wisdom to find lasting peace.
Links
Kiloby.com
Nondualship with Toshi Matsunaga
Nonduality & KI Monthly Meeting with Toshi
Awake But Sick
Emotional Repression Test Inquiry
Topics
00:00 Introduction to Guests and Their Work
01:34 Scott and Toshi's Journey to Collaboration
02:31 Understanding Kiloby Inquiries (KI)
03:12 The Dimensions of Spiritual Practice
04:54 Addressing Spiritual Bypassing
08:48 The Connection Between Awakening and Suffering
12:26 The Role of Repressed Emotions
15:28 Integrating Non-Dual Teachings with Modern Psychosis
25:49 The Iceberg Metaphor and Emotional Repression
29:13 The Role of Spiritual Practices in Repression
31:35 Identifying Patterns of Avoidance and Spiritual Bypassing
32:49 Signs of Repression in Meditation and Spiritual Practices
36:31 Understanding and Addressing Anger Repression
46:54 The Importance of Community in Spiritual Work
52:20 Connecting with the Speakers and Their Work
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Rune Hjarnø Rasmussen is a Historian of Religion, Ph.d from Uppsala University in Sweden. His research into Afro-diasporic strategies for maintaining animist reality in the modern world has lead him towards reading North European cultural history from the perspective of rejected animist knowledge and practice. The objective is to recover Euro-traditioanl forms of landconnectedness ecological knowledge and kinship with the greater community of beings. Rune has lived in a number of countries in Europe, Africa North- and South America and presently runs the platform “Nordic Animism”.
Links:
Nordic Animism
YouTube
Instagram
Topics
00:00 Introduction and Guest Welcome00:49 Rune's Background and Nordic Animism03:13 Understanding Nordic Animism07:34 Decolonization and Animism11:45 Animism in Daily Life21:49 Relational Practices and Cultural Renewal37:10 Animism and Modern Challenges47:51 Resources and Upcoming Projects50:17 Conclusion and Farewell
Join Rune for the free global premiere of The Eternal Song and a 7-day online gathering centered on Indigenous voices—part of the online SAND event, happening June 3–9.
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Wendy Elisheva Somerson (wes) is a non-binary Jewish somatic healer, writer, visual artist, and activist who helped found the Seattle chapter of Jewish Voice for Peace. They facilitate Ruach, body-based Jewish healing groups held in an anti-Zionist, anti-racist, and feminist framework. As part of a movement of anti-Zionist Jews, they support Jewish healing from historical trauma and promote a liberatory future for Judaism and Jewishness beyond Zionism that includes a free Palestine. Today on the show we discuss their new book An Anti-Zionist Path to Embodied Jewish Healing: Somatic Practices to Heal Historical Wounds, Unlearn Oppression, and Create a Liberated World to Come.
https://wendysomerson.net/
Topics
00:00 Introduction and Guest Welcome01:09 Discussing the Book: An Anti-Zionist Path to Embodied Jewish Healing01:36 Genocide in Palestine: Context and Impact04:07 Zionism and Jewish Historical Trauma06:07 Embodied Jewish Healing: Concepts and Practices09:26 Technology and Disembodiment10:32 Anti-Zionism as a Path to Healing16:12 Spiritual and Ethical Responsibilities26:42 Activism and Jewish Faith30:05 Resources and Community for Anti-Zionism31:46 Somatic Healing Practices36:58 Hope and Solidarity for the Future40:07 Conclusion and Farewell
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Join SAND June 3–9 for the FREE global film premiere of The Eternal Song and the 7-day online gathering with Indigenous voices
Join SAND co-founders Zaya and Maurizio Benazzo in conversation with Aboriginal elders and authors Uncle Paul Callaghan and Uncle Paul Gordon for a powerful SAND Community Gathering (2023), “The Dreaming Path,” where they explored some of the profound Aboriginal teachings.
Connect with Uncle Paul Gordon and dozens of other Indigenous speakers at the 7-Day The Eternal Song Gathering hosted live by SAND June 3-9 2025.“Our stories are not myths or legends or fables, they aren’t about dreams either”—Uncle Paul Callaghan
Topics
0:00 – Introduction
4:33 – Dreamtime
13:00 – Aboriginal Lore
20:26 – A Dreamtime Story
32:16 – Importance of Relationality
41:26 – 2023 Australian Indigenous Voice Referendum
Abigail Rose Clarke is a somatic educator, writer, and creator of The Embodied Life Method. Her new book, Returning Home to Our Bodies: Reimagining the Relationship Between Our Bodies and the World, challenges the dominant narratives that treat our bodies as machines. Instead, she invites readers into a deeper relationship with the body as part of the living world. In this conversation, we explore embodiment as a political and spiritual practice, embodiment as a framework for systemic change, and how returning to the wisdom of the body can help us imagine and build a more just, interconnected future.
Topics
00:00 Introduction to Abigail Rose Clarke and Her Work01:08 Abigail's Journey to Becoming a Writer05:02 The Concept of Embodiment and Its Importance07:45 The Interconnectedness of Body and World13:49 The Radical Act of Returning Home to Our Bodies19:11 Expanding the Definition of Somatics26:24 Healthy Boundaries and Somatic Practices28:50 Exploring Community and Boundaries31:08 The Wellness Industry and Its Pitfalls32:27 Embracing the Complexity of Human Emotions33:52 The Body's Relationship with Pain and Healing39:47 Language and Its Impact on Perception46:54 Reframing Hope and Its Role in Our Lives51:20 Upcoming Projects and Final Thoughts
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This episode is a live recording from a recent SAND Community Gathering (April 2025) facilitated by Jungwon Kim.
Join Buddhist scholars and activists Rev. Duncan Ryūken Williams, Ph.D. and Funie Hsu/Chhî, Ph.D. for an illuminating dialogue exploring the intersection of Buddhist practice and social transformation. This conversation weaves together Buddhism, remembrance, healing, and liberation, examining how the dharma offers both a path to personal awakening and Social-Spiritual Liberation. Our guests shared how Buddhist teachings help transform grief into connection, particularly in response to racially motivated violence against Asian American communities. The conversation challenged conventional Western Buddhist approaches to Secularization and Individual Awakening.
Duncan Ryuken Williams is a Professor of Religion and the Director of the Shinso Ito Center for Japanese Religions and Culture at the University of Southern California; previously, Chairman of Japanese Buddhism at UC Berkeley, Director of Berkeley’s Center for Japanese Studies, and Buddhist chaplain at Harvard University where he received his Ph.D. An ordained priest since 1993 in the Soto Zen tradition, he received Dharma transmission in 2024 at Kotakuji Temple, Japan. His latest book, American Sutra: A Story of Faith and Freedom in the Second World War, an LA Times bestseller, won the 2022 Grawemeyer Religion Award. He also wrote The Other Side of Zen .
Funie Hsu/Chhî, Ph.D. is a transdisciplinary scholar from a working class, Taiwanese-American family, raised in a Taiwanese Humanistic Buddhist tradition. Her work melds American, Asian-American, Buddhist, and Taiwan Studies. Currently Associate Professor of American Studies at San Jose State University, she received a Ph.D. in Education with an emphasis in Women, Gender, and Sexuality from UC Berkeley. Aspects of her work explore issues of language, education and colonialism. She is a co-organizer of May We Gather, a national Buddhist memorial ceremony for Asian American ancestors and a former Board Member of the Buddhist Peace Fellowship where she advocated for the recognition of Asian American heritage Buddhist communities in the organization and beyond.
Jungwon Kim is an award-winning writer and cultural worker. She is also a communications leader, organizational strategy consultant, and journalist who has dedicated her professional life to human rights and environmental advocacy. As Head of Creative & Editorial at the Rainforest Alliance, she directed a multimedia team of writers, videographers, and graphic designers. Earlier in her career, she served as the editor of Amnesty International USA’s human rights quarterly that featured the work of award-winning journalists and documentary photographers (circulation 300,000). She began her storytelling career as a newspaper reporter, magazine editor, and on-air correspondent for nationally syndicated public radio programs.
Topics
00:00 Introduction and Welcome
00:41 Introducing the Conversation Topic
01:36 Meet Jungwon Kim
03:20 Introducing the Guests: Funie Hsu/Chhî, and Duncan Ryuken Williams
06:30 Funie Hsu/Chhî’s Path to Buddhism
10:19 Duncan Ryuken Williams' Path to Buddhism
13:02 Buddhism as a Cultural Ecosystem
22:16 May We Gather: A Collective Healing Initiative
32:42 Decolonizing Buddhist Practice
37:07 Lessons from Japanese American Buddhists
44:48 Bridging the Gap in American Buddhism
58:02 Concluding Thoughts and Reflections
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Elizabeth Philipose, PhD has a lifelong passion for transformational arts and the expansion of consciousness. She has pursued this as an academic studying the causes and consequences of violence. Her focus is on healing relations between masculine and feminine, humans and nature, races, and nations. As a spiritual guide, she offers programs in decolonial wellness, spiritual principle, embodiment, meditation, and prayer. Elizabeth has been on her own journey to heal gender/racial traumas, old church wounds, and ancestral grief. She teaches from the experiential insights of this journey and the wisdom of her visionary teachers.
Links
Upcoming workshop with Elizabeth Philipose
Instagram
Linked In
Academic.edu
Topics
00:00 Introduction01:05 Understanding Decolonial Wellness02:32 Impact of Colonialism on Personal Wellness04:41 Embodiment and Structural Analysis07:37 Holistic Approach to Wellness14:27 Spirituality and Social Justice19:11 Challenges in Spiritual and Social Justice Communities32:39 Practical Applications and Offerings39:59 Conclusion and Upcoming Events
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Today, we present a wild and flowering conversation between two poets, writers, philosophers, and theobiologians Bayo Akomalofe and Sophie Strand.
This conversation is from a 2022 SAND Community Gathering. To hear the full conversation with Q&A from the live webinar you can view it here (with SAND Membership).
In Greek Mythology, the Titan Kronos eats an indigestible stone and vomits up the new Olympic pantheon of gods. In our current time, people planted in stratigraphic layers of shared trauma find themselves uniquely ill – physically and mentally. We are unable to digest food and unable to digest violence. What if indigestion – practical and mythical – was a sign that a new world was threatening to be born? The very basis of our nucleated cells is an ancient botched bacterial cannibalism. What if our inability to digest certain injustices was an invitation to vomit up a new pantheon? And in an age when we are all threaded through with microplastics and blood pressure stabilizers, what does it mean to start to physically grow into new shapes around incursions we cannot properly assimilate or expel?
Bayo Akomolafe (Ph.D.), rooted with the Yoruba people in a more-than-human world, is the father to Alethea and Kyah, the grateful life-partner to Ije, son and brother. A widely celebrated international speaker, posthumanist thinker, poet, teacher, public intellectual, essayist, and author of two books, These Wilds Beyond our Fences: Letters to My Daughter on Humanity’s Search for Home (North Atlantic Books) and We Will Tell our Own Story: The Lions of Africa Speak, Bayo Akomolafe is the Founder of The Emergence Network and host of the online postactivist course, ‘We Will Dance with Mountains’. He currently lectures at Pacifica Graduate Institute, California and University of Vermont, Burlington, Vermont. He sits on the Board of many organizations including Science and Non-Duality (US) and Ancient Futures (Australia). In July 2022, Dr. Akomolafe was appointed the inaugural Global Senior Fellow of University of California’s (Berkeley) Othering and Belonging Institute. He has also been appointed Senior Fellow for The New Institute in Hamburg, Germany. He is the recipient of the New Thought Leadership Award 2021 and the Excellence in Ethnocultural Psychotherapy Award by the African Mental Health Summit 2022.
Sophie Strand is a writer based in the Hudson Valley who focuses on the intersection of spirituality, storytelling, and ecology. Yet it would probably be more authentic to call her a neo-troubadour animist with a propensity to spin yarns that inevitably turn into love stories. Give her a salamander and a stone and she’ll write you a love story. Sophie was raised by house cats, puff balls, possums, raccoons, and an opinionated, crippled goose. She believes strongly that all thinking happens interstitially – between beings, ideas, differences, mythical gradients.
She is the author of The Flowering Wand: Rewilding the Sacred Masculine and The Madonna Secret. She is also finishing a collection of essays about navigating an incurable genetic disease and early trauma through ecological storytelling.
You can subscribe to her newsletter at sophiestrand.substack.com, and follow her work on Instagram: @cosmogyny and at www.sophiestrand.com.
Topics
00:00 Introduction and Welcome
01:35 Introducing Dr. Bayo Akomolafe
04:11 Introducing Sophie Strand
06:35 Starting the Conversation: New Gods in Challenging Times
13:54 Exploring Mispronunciation and Evolution
27:27 Animist Perspectives on Trauma
28:17 Healing in Yoruba Culture
30:29 Bioelectric Signals and Embryogenesis
35:40 The Role of Trickster Gods
38:26 Invasive Species and Ecosystem Dynamics
47:25 Disability as an Invitation to Community
55:32 Concluding Thoughts on New Gods
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From a recent SAND Community Gathering (March 2025)
At a time when our world can feel increasingly divided, and many are retreating into isolation, civil rights scholar john a. powell offers a transformative approach to building connections across differences. Drawing from his groundbreaking work with the Othering & Belonging Institute and his own journey, john shows how to stop perceiving differences as threats and instead use them as opportunities for deeper understanding and collective growth. Through rich personal stories and documented study, he explains how bridging practices can help us heal ruptures in our families, workplaces, and communities.
This conversation explores practical ways to overcome the ‘us versus them’ mindset that dominates our current discourse and create a world where everyone truly belongs. Whether we’re struggling with political divides, generational gaps, or cultural differences, powell’s insights offer concrete tools for building meaningful connections in an age of separation.
john a. powell is a renowned scholar and advocate in civil rights, structural racism, constitutional law, housing, and belonging. As Director of the Othering & Belonging Institute at UC Berkeley, he holds the Robert D. Haas Chancellor’s Chair in Equity and Inclusion and is a Professor of Law, Ethnic Studies, and African American Studies.
johnapowell.org
The Power of Bridging: How To Build A World Where We All Belong by john a. powell
Topics
00:00 Introduction
00:41 Meeting john a. powell
02:24 john's Early Life and Spiritual Journey
08:02 The Concept of Belonging and Breaking
17:48 Navigating Fear and Anxiety in Activism
27:44 The Concept of Belonging vs. Inclusion
29:52 Personal Stories of Pain and Resilience
33:59 The Danger of a Single Story
39:24 Bridging Divides in the Middle East
43:44 The Power of Recognition and DignitySupport the mission of SAND and the production of this podcast by becoming a SAND Member
From a recent SAND Community Gathering (March 2025)
Join mental health clinician Linda Thai and writer Jungwon Kim for an in-depth conversation on intergenerational trauma, historical grief, and healing in community. Together, they explored psychological, spiritual, and communal reverberations of historical violence, framed within the context of U.S. wars in Korea and Vietnam, yet deeply relevant to other conflicts, past and present. They shared their experiences and observations of the complex dynamics of remembering and forgetting—and how they play out across families and communities fragmented by political and militarized violence. Further, they explore modes of restoration that are often overlooked by Western therapeutic approaches: somatic and communal transmutation, cultural ritual, and narrative justice. The pathways they shared honor the deep connections between personal, historical, and communal dimensions of trauma.
A vital conversation for anyone seeking to understand how the profound wisdom held within cultural memory can contribute to intergenerational healing.
Jungwon Kim is an award-winning writer and cultural worker. She is also a communications leader, organizational strategy consultant, and journalist who has dedicated her professional life to human rights and environmental advocacy. As Head of Creative & Editorial at the Rainforest Alliance, she directed a multimedia team of writers, videographers, and graphic designers. Earlier in her career, she served as the editor of Amnesty International USA’s human rights quarterly that featured the work of award-winning journalists and documentary photographers (circulation 300,000). She began her storytelling career as a newspaper reporter, magazine editor, and on-air correspondent for nationally syndicated public radio programs.
Linda Thai, LMSW ERYT-200 is a trauma therapist and educator who specializes in brain and body-based modalities for addressing complex developmental trauma. Linda has worked with thousands of people from all over the world to promote mindfulness, recover from trauma, and tend to grief as a means of self care. Linda’s work centers on healing with a special focus on the experiences of adult children of refugees and immigrants. Her teaching is infused with empathy, storytelling, humor, research, practical tools, applied knowledge, and experiential wisdom. She has assisted internationally renowned psychiatrist and trauma expert, Dr. Bessel van der Kolk, with his private small group psychotherapy workshops aimed at healing attachment trauma. She has a Master of Social Work with an emphasis on the neurobiology of attachment and trauma.
Topics
00:00 Introduction and Welcome
00:38 Setting the Context: War and Generational Trauma
01:18 Introducing the Guests: Linda Thai and Jungwon Kim
02:17 Linda Thai's Story: A Journey of Healing
06:48 Jungwon Kim's Story: Bridging Generations
11:12 The Impact of War on Generations
13:08 Collective Trauma and Healing
29:39 Ritualizing Healing: The Concept of Han
34:41 The Role of Community in Healing
49:03 Conclusion and Future Conversations
Resources
Minds Under Seige (A SAND talk with Dr. Gabor Maté and Naomi Klein, facilitated by Cecilie Surasky). Podcast of this conversation.
“Violent experiences alter the genome in ways that persist for generations” (Yale News)
Han (Korean: 한), or haan, is a concept of an emotion, variously described as some form of grief or resentment, among others, that is said to be an essential element of Korean identity by some, and a modern post-colonial identity by others. –
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John J. Prendergast, PhD, is a spiritual teacher, author, retired psychotherapist, and retired adjunct professor of psychology who has taught at Esalen and Kripalu and online. He studied for many years with the sage Dr. Jean Klein as well as with the spiritual teacher Adyashanti. He is the author of the books In Touch, The Deep Heart and Your Deepest Ground: A Guide to Embodied Spirituality (SoundsTrue).
Topics:
00:00 Introduction
02:25 The Origin of 'Listening from Silence'
04:48 Exploring the Trilogy of Books
08:55 The Deep Heart and Ground of Being
27:48 Opening the Root Chakra: A Journey into Pure Potentiality
28:25 Tapping into the Current of Life: A Universal Connection
29:59 Addressing Suffering: A Creative Response
32:09 Embodied Non-Dual Approach: Engaging with Life
47:15 The Power of Community in Spiritual Practice
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From a recent SAND Community Gathering (Feb 2025) hosted by SAND co-founders, Zaya and Maurizio Benazzo.
Deep Medicine Circle (DMC), a collective of healers, farmers, artists, and storytellers, is challenging colonial structures by redefining health and wellbeing through practices that heal communities and restore connections to land. Led by Dr. Rupa Marya, Charlene Eigen-Vasquez, and Walter Riley, this visionary group is creating a holistic food and wellbeing model that nourishes both people and land, recognizing the profound interconnectedness of human health within social, environmental, and historical contexts.
Dr. Rupa Marya is a physician, activist, writer, mother, and a composer. She is a Professor of Medicine at the University of California, San Francisco and a co-founder of the Do No Harm Coalition. Her work sits at the nexus of climate, health and racial justice. She is the co-author with Raj Patel of the book Inflamed: Deep Medicine and the Anatomy of Injustice. She works to decolonize food and medicine in partnership with communities in Lakhota territory at the Mni Wiconi Health Circle and in Ohlone Territory through the Deep Medicine Circle. She has toured twenty-nine countries with her band, Rupa and the April Fishes, whose music was described by the legend Gil Scott-Heron as “Liberation Music.”
Charlene Eigen-Vasquez, J.D. is of Ohlone descent, from the village of Chitactac. She is dedicated to land back initiatives, land preservation, land restoration, cultural revitalization and environmental justice because she feels that these initiatives have a direct impact on physical and mental health. As a mother and grandmother, she completed a law degree so that she might better serve Indigenous communities. Today her focus is on regenerative leadership strategies, leveraging her legal skills, and mediation skills to advocate for Indigenous interests, negotiate agreements and build relational bridges. She is an acknowledged peacemaker, trained by Tribal Supreme Court Justices. Charlene is the former CEO and Director of Self-Governance for the Healing and Reconciliation Institute. Charlene also serves as Chairwoman of the Confederation of Ohlone People, Co-Chair of the Pajaro Valley Ohlone Indian Council and Board Vice President for the Santa Clara Valley Indian Health Center. Charlene was recently brought into the Planet Women’s 100 Women Pathway, a cohort designed to increase the number of diverse women leaders at the helm of the environmental movement.
Walter Riley was born in 1944, number 9 of 11 children born to a farming family in Durham County, North Carolina. His family farmed until he was about 6 years old. He grew up in the Jim Crow south and in his early teens, Walter became active in the Civil Rights Movement organizing voter registration, sit-ins, jobs campaigns, and in his late teens became Field Secretary for CORE (Congress for Racial Equality), got married and became a father. He moved to the Bay Area in the 1960s where he became active in the political, social justice movements. Walter is a long-time community activist and civil rights attorney.
Topics
00:00 Introduction and Greetings
00:47 Introducing Dr. Rupa Marya
01:46 Deep Medicine Circle and Board Members
02:36 Charlene's Introduction and Ancestral Tribute
07:33 Walter Riley's Introduction and Civil Rights Work
23:48 Connecting Food Systems and Colonial History
26:40 Healing Through Music and Cultural Awareness
27:43 Addressing Hunger and Malnutrition During COVID
28:06 Farming as a Path to Justice and Resilience
30:26 The Role of Historical Trauma in Land Restoration
30:51 Holistic Problem Solving and Cultural Stewardship
36:13 Youth and Community Engagement in Healing
41:28 The Importance of Ethnic Studies and Solidarity
43:08 Reflections on Historical Movements and Future Change
52:29 Concluding Thoughts on Healing and Unity
Resources
Farming is Medicine (film)
Do No Harm Coalition
Inflamed (Rupa Marya)
Rupa and the April Fishes
Boots Riley (Filmmaker and Musician)
“I’m a Virgo” (TV Series by Boots Riley)
“Sorry to Bother You” (Film by Boots Riley)
The Coup (Boots Riley’s Band)
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Today we present an anthology episode with SAND speaker, Dr. Elisabet Sahtouris (1936-2024) who passed in December 2024.
Internationally known as a dynamic speaker, Dr. Sahtouris was an evolution biologist, futurist, professor, author and consultant on Living Systems Design. She taught the relevance of biological systems to organisational design in business, government and society. She was a Fellow of the World Business Academy, an advisor to EthicalMarkets.com and the Masters in Business program at Schumacher College, also affiliated with the Bainbridge Graduate Institute's MBA program for sustainable business.
Dr. Sahtouris convened two International Symposia on the Foundations of Science and written about integral cosmologies. Her books include A Walk Through TIme: from Stardust to Us, Biology Revisioned, co-authored with Willis Harman, and EarthDance: Living Systems in Evolution.
sahtouris.com
Topics
00:00 Introduction to Elisabet Sahtouris
01:11 Indigenous Science and Wisdom
04:02 The Living Universe Concept
07:04 Western vs. Vedic Science
09:16 The Evolution of Scientific Assumptions
11:47 Mechanism vs. Organism in Biology
12:45 Genetic Engineering and Its Pitfalls
15:56 The Role of Consciousness in Evolution
17:33 Dying to Live: Evolution through Recycling
28:22 The Metaphor of the Butterfly
33:58 Advice for Future Generations
39:29 Closing Thoughts and Reflections
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This is a recording from the 2022 Community Conversation between with guest Iya Affo and SAND co-founders Zaya and Maurizio Benazzo.
Very few people are aware of the impact of historical trauma. Historical trauma is trauma so deeply rooted in the subconscious we may not even know it is there. It can leave us feeling anxious, irritable, sad, and hopeless… and we have no idea why. But once we begin to see the larger context of our trauma, then a more holistic healing can begin.
Iya Affo is a Culturalist and Historical Trauma consultant. She earned Western certification as a Trauma Specialist and is a descendant of a long line of traditional healers from Bénin, West Africa. Iya serves as an Executive Board Member for the Arizona ACEs Consortium, is an Adjunct Faculty member at the Arizona Trauma Institute, and is the founder of Heal Historical Trauma Culture & Indigenous Wellness Academy. She has visited more than 30 countries; living in Jewish, Buddhist, Hindu, Taoist, Native American, and Yoruba communities, embracing aspects from each culture for personal evolution. She strives to transcend tolerance through cultivating love and respect in hopes of facilitating the decolonization and subsequent healing of indigenous people from all over the world. Iya advocates for the harmonization of Traditional Medicine and Western Medicine for true holistic healing.
Iya's passion is to cultivate intergenerational healing by connecting intuitive ancestral practices with modern neurobiology. As we delve into leveraging our neurobiology to facilitate the healing process, we will also explore re-culturing and the creation of self-harmonizing communities.
Iya Affo’s Website
Topics
00:00 Introduction and Welcome
00:51 Introducing Iya Affo
02:31 Iya's Personal Journey
05:57 Understanding Historical Trauma
10:14 Resilience and Cultural Connections
11:57 The Role of Names and Identity
16:25 Tools for Healing and Resilience
19:12 The Importance of Cultural Practices
24:35 Epigenetics and Generational Trauma
26:34 Storytelling and Historical Context
26:54 Ancestral Vigilance and Survival Instincts
29:05 Epigenetics and Generational Trauma
30:50 Impact of Historical Trauma on Modern Behavior
34:52 Challenges of Western Medicine in Indigenous Communities
43:51 Traditional Healing Practices and Neurological Regulation
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Thank you so much for this Podcast. Lynn and Alnoor are such intelligent beings. Their view is broad and deep. This whole conversation leaves me saying to myself: 'Think, before I take a step forward, backwards, left or right or make an action or even do good.' From what standpoint am I acting? living? helping? doing good? Where is my ego in anything I do? How is my way of thinking, being, perpetuating separatism, division, inequality and destruction. Peace to you all Anne McKeon Co. Tipperary. ,