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Author: Shannon Grinnell

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Speaking of Crypto podcast is about inspiring people in Bitcoin, crypto + blockchain. This leading edge crypto podcast is hosted by Shannon Grinnell.

Join Shannon Grinnell in this inspiring crypto podcast with crypto + blockchain experts like Anthony Di Iorio, Co-founder of Ethereum, Alex Mashinsky, Pioneer of VoIP and CEO of Celsius Network, Sandra Ro, CEO of the Global Blockchain Business Council.

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79 Episodes
Jenny Shaver, COO at SALT Lending talks about her tech background in finance at American Express, what the culture is like working in New York City, and how entering the startup world in the crypto space at the bottom of a bear market, is like participating in an extreme sport. She shares valuable advice that she received from a mentor that she carries with her to date and explains what’s important to her now that she’s in a leadership role. Jenny and I have a fantastic conversation about the work she’s doing now, what she sees for the future, and how she views her role as a woman in crypto for our first Women In Crypto Wednesday podcast series. We also chat about The growing city of Denver and work life balance there Crypto backed lending at SALT Continuing to own a master node while using crypto as collateral The SALT token and what it’s used for Questioning the incentives around using Facebook’s Libra coin Which parties are most threatened by Libra Existing power structures and whether they will change Risk taking and rewriting rules Comradery among women in the crypto space And some of her insights from Nassim Taleb’s book Antifragile When I asked her about Libra adoption and her thoughts, she says she’s made the joke before that –  “the establishment is just allowing us to play in our little pool to incubate tech for them.” We had a great conversation and I’m so happy that I was able to do this first WCW series with Jenny. There are some real take always that I’m going to carry with me after this conversation. Check out our affiliate links at for some great ways to support the show. And… if you’re enjoying the podcast, please take a minute to rate, review and subscribe. This goes a long way to helping people who are new to crypto find the show.      Jenny Shaver on Twitter SALT Lending Jenny Shaver on LinkedIn
Robert Beadles, aka Crypto Beadles, is the President of Monarch, which is a non-custodial wallet as well as a payment solution. Not only is he president of one of the most successful wallets in the crypto space, but he’s also a YouTuber and share’s great interviews with some of incredible frontrunners in the space. I urge you to check out his YouTube channel, too, because with every video they post, they also give away $100 in Bitcoin cash. So check out Crypto Beadles on YouTube. Robert and I sat down for this conversation while we were at the Futurist Conference in Toronto. Thanks to Tracy and the amazing Untraceable team for putting on another incredible event and thanks to Robert for a great interview to Aaron for recording this one for us!  Here’s what we chat about:  Max Keiser’s influence Getting into Bitcoin in 2011 Monarch Pay and the Free Ross, Fund Ross campaign Monarch Wallet’s non-custodial solution Facebook’s Libra and crypto adoption Facebook, trust and global regulation YouTube and the $100 Bitcoin cash giveaways $100 around the globe Decentralized social media + paid content Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash What percentage of his holdings are in Bitcoin When I asked him about where he sees the future of crypto, he says: “You can already see the move towards digital currencies, especially when you have things like the Fed coin, or the Federal Reserve talking about their own currency in 2022. So you already know that that's the direction we're going, is with a digital currency. Do I think they'll still be some fiat paper out there? Of course, just like there's still people with cheque books.” We had a great conversation. I have huge respect for Robert aka Crypto Beadles and what he’s building, both at Monarch and on the educational side with his fantastic YouTube channel. Check out our affiliate links at for some great ways to support the show. And if you’re enjoying the podcast, please take a minute to rate, review and subscribe. This goes a long way to helping people who are new to crypto find the show. And to all of you listening – thank you for helping to make this podcast happen! Crypto Beadles on YouTube   Twitter   Monarch Wallet  
Amber D. Scott is CEO at Outlier, and a compliance ninja. She’s an expert in regulation around cryptocurrencies, custody, privacy and in keeping with all of the latest changes. She’s a guru at the intersection of compliance and blockchain technology and as an MBA grad she also understands where businesses are coming from. Amber sits down with me at my home office in Toronto. We recorded this episode on video as well. Check out YouTube Channel.  Speaking of Crypto – The New Internet. This channel is still in its infancy but we’ll be posting more podcasts here as well as clips from the documentary film, The New Internet which is currently in production. More info at Amber and I have a fantastic conversation. Some of the things we talk about are: Her early days in compliance at Capital One A simple strategy to avoid scams Spending Bitcoin instead of hodling in the early days (Amber’s pizza purchase equivalent) The political statement behind Satoshi creating Bitcoin Outlier’s compliance work, education and philosophy Self-custody rights and a personal experience that hits home When KYC + AML are required or not + creating data honeypots What went wrong with Quadriga Where Facebook may run into trouble with compliance A new definition of fiat currency Bitcoin as a reserve currency On Satoshi’s decision to stay in the pseudonymous, Amber ends with this idea: “(Bitcoin) is meant to be borderless and censorship resistant. And that might annoy some censors, with good reason. And if that is an act that you're doing, maybe that's not something that you necessarily want to be attributed.”  We had a really great chat. I have huge respect for the work that Amber has been doing for so many years and all that she puts into her expertise now.   Also, check out our affiliate links at for some great ways to support the show. And if you’re enjoying the podcast, please take a minute to rate, review and subscribe. This goes a long way to helping people who are new to crypto find the show. And to all of you listening – thank you for helping to make this podcast happen! Twitter   LinkedIn Outlier Canada
Coldie is an innovative, creative, clever, bold Crypto Artist. He works with crypto themes and tokenizing his artwork.  We talk about what crypto art is and why it’s intriguing. We discuss his completely original clothing art idea - the Split Cut Shirt, his tokenized digital art, and some of his pieces specifically, including: Decentral Eyes – Vitalk Buterin Andreas Antonopoulos Proof of Work Coldie talks about his art school background and his influences including the artists he admires most and why he appreciates their type of art. He also shares the importance in experimenting. And, one of the pieces he showed me in person was something he made using a long exposure, flashlights with coloured filters, shot at night out in the middle of nowhere. We had a really great chat. I absolutely love the work that he’s doing and I urge you to check it out.  Also, check out our affiliate links at for some great ways to support the show. And if you’re enjoying the podcast, please take a minute to rate, review and subscribe. This goes a long way to helping people who are new to crypto find the show. And to all of you listening – thank you for helping to make this podcast happen! Twitter   Instagram   Super Rare 1/1 Tokenized NFTs  R.A.R.E Art Labs Tokenized Digital Art + Split Cut Tshirts Andreas Antonopoulos 3D Lenticular Artwork
Austin Davis, Founder at Blockchain Beach and Co-founder and CEO at The Global Hackathon, has been in Bitcoin space since 2012. His energy is contagious, and he isn’t just talking about the technology, he’s building with it.   Austin has an engineering background so he’s understands blockchain from the code up. He’s actively creating community through hackathons and meet-ups and he’s working with great teams of people to help drive the space forward.   When it comes to crypto, those who are in it are reshaping our future. I asked Austin what it takes to change the world.   “I would say it takes a lot of courage, it takes a lot of willpower and longevity, because you have to stand the test of time”   About the crypto community -   “I've seen a lot of characters for sure in the industry, and a lot of inspiration and really powerful people that are coming together - thought leaders, people that are planning the future economies of the world, people that are thinking a lot further beyond what's in front of their face. So, I would say the crypto communities are very strong and vibrant, accepting, powerful, engaging.”   Check out our affiliate links at for some great ways to support the show. And if you’re enjoying the podcast, please take a minute to rate, review and subscribe. This goes a long way to helping people who are new to crypto find the show. And to all of you listening – thank you for helping to make this podcast happen! I couldn’t do it without you! Blockchain Beach The Global Hackathon Austin Davis
Alan Wunsche, CEO at Token Funder, talks about why tokenization is an opportunity and where the industry is heading? Why would the average person want to buy into a fraction of an asset? “It's actually not that complicated you because you believe you're going to be getting some cash flow from it from the rent, or because you're going to get capital appreciation. Otherwise, you're being very generous and letting someone live in your asset.” Are we going to be living in a Ready Player One world where our digital assets become more important than our real-world assets, or more valuable? Will everything that is currently a security, become fractionalized, tokenized and distributed in a very different way to traditional assets now? Alan explains why he’s excited about moving from an internet where few players were able to accumulate large amounts of wealth to a decentralized internet where financial inclusion is part of its design. “We're taking these steps to really bring people along if you want to start dabbling in this space. Now, of course, the promise, we hope, is your hundred dollars really is going to an exciting future company that a VC would have put $100 into. And, they would have benefited, but in this case, you as an average person will now participate in wealth creation.” TokenFunder   Alan Wunsche
Mauricio Di Bartolomeo, Co-founder of Ledn, shares his perspective of growing up in Venezuela. We talk about what the culture, and economic and political sentiment was like when Hugo Chavez became president  rewrote the constitution, renamed the country, changed the flag and and changed the entire economic landscape that ultimately created the devastating state of hyperinflation that there is today, which, in 2019, is estimated to be 10 million per cent. We talk about the oil boom instigating outrageous government spending, Chavez’s marathon Sunday propaganda broadcasts of Aló Presidente and his power moves like expropriating property live on national TV under the guise of making life better for the people of Venezuela. “Authoritarian regimes have been incredibly successful when they place capital controls, in pushing this narrative that it doesn't affect the common person, that it only affects the rich people because they travel. And because they get to buy things from abroad, but that these currency controls don't really affect the actual residents of the country because they don't live in dollars.” Mauricio explains how hyperinflation effected Venezuelans. And… in doing research for this podcast, I’d read and listened to talks on how hyperinflation was devasting, causing extreme poverty and dire circumstances, which we get into. But I wanted to ask Mauricio about the other side as well, who benefits from hyperinflation? Because it’s not one sided. So he explains from personal experience how he was able to benefit from shorting the Bolivar. “Personally, I have done better off shorting the bolivar than long Bitcoin. And the way you short the bolivar, in essence, and the way the rich get richer to your point, is when you have assets, you have an asset base, you can borrow against that asset base… So what you do is you take a loan at 30% converted to dollars on spot, wait for inflation to do with thing, three months later, you convert a fraction of the principal back, pay off the entire loan, do it again.  And biggest problem with extreme monetary inflation is how quickly the currency becomes devalued. This is why Mauricio and his family started Bitcoin and why it was the perfect solution… until it wasn’t.   Ledn   Venezuelan government vs. Mauricio’s brother’s Bitcoin mining operation   Human Rights Foundation run by Alex Gladstein Open Money Initiative run by Alejandro Machado Bitcoin Venezuela    Looking for ways to Support the Show? Follow us on Twitter @speakingcrypto. Check out our website at for a few easy ideas like downloading the podcast or listening on Radio Public. And check out our affiliate links at our for more great ways to support the show. Many thank yous to all of you listening for helping make this show happen!
The crypto space often asks what is the killer app? What is it that’s going to catapult crypto into the mainstream?   The killer app might be gaming.   Gaming is huge. Worldwide, it’s expected to be a 152 Billion Dollar market in 2019. And it’s only getting bigger… fast.   “Fortnight is registering half a million users per day… and that's exactly 20 times the total amount of wallets with dai on them.”   Matias Nisenson and his co-founder Luciano Bertenascotook a leap of faith, 18 months ago, that the technology they knew they would need would be there, when they were ready to launch and it is. So they’re using the Loom Network’s sidechain technology on the Ethereum Blockchain.   Their game Crypto Wars is revolutionizing the gaming model. Instead of players buying skins or guns or other assets that only they can use, the whole game being built on a blockchain using NFTs allows users to purchase, unique, valuable, tradeable assets.   Because these assets are unique, and therefore scarce, they will go up in value as the game grows in popularity.   Users can purchase NFTs like swords, cars, skins and sell them to other users for a return on their investment. And as the technology expands, these NFTs will at some point be able to be interoperable so they can be moved from game to game.   And within the game, players can also earn crypto.   “What we're doing at crypto wars is basically giving the power back to the users. They are not spending money anymore in games, but what they're basically doing now is they're investing it. So, they could actually monetize their time while having a lot of fun at the same time.”   Matias explains how the gaming economy resembles the real-world economy.   “You will have some users that want to spend time, and you will have some users that want to spend money. The users that want to spend time can farm all these resources and can sell them to the users who want to spend money. So, it's basically like a real-life economy just translated into a game.”   It may sound futuristic that people in real life will want to purchase NFTs for a whole lot of money, but it’s happening now. One of the Crypto Kitties kitties sold for $140,000 and Matias tells me about a Formula One NFT by Animoca that sold for $100,000.     Experimental Crypto Wars Matias Nisenson Crypto Kitties Animoca Formula One NFTs   Looking for ways to Support the Show? Follow us on Twitter @speakingcrypto. Check out our website at for a few easy ideas like downloading the podcast or listening on Radio Public. And check out our affiliate links at our for more great ways to support the show. Many thank yous to all of you listening for helping make this show happen!
Everything changed for Eric Tippets when he went to China about 10 years ago. He started to see what business looked like in a country with 1.3 billion people.  And he could see how technology increased efficiency, scaling and opportunity.   “In China, the velocity of things just moves extremely quick, but their technology… it's funny how the culture was behind, but the technology was way advanced. And they were way, way ahead of us.”   Eric talked about how processes were so streamlined that whether he was seeing huge numbers of people go through the airport or walk through a café to grab a bagel, everything ran smoothly and efficiently, with the help of technology.   In January of 2015 Eric and a partner launched a microlending platform that facilitated crowd-funding for entrepreneurs, and they learned very quickly what running a business on a massive scale looked like.   “Within six months, we had 3.5 million people, and $3 billion USD come through that platform. People talk about doing big numbers. It's amazing to me, unless you’ve done it, you can't even remotely begin to understand all the difficulty of it. And all the complexity between getting hacked nine times between bank accounts getting shut down, because they thought we were money laundering, (Hackers) would do a complete replica of our site and have people come over and take their money. We over 100 of those.”   As they worked through the bugs, working at this scale paid off. “We got to the point after those six months, we were doing 35 to 40 million dollars a minute.”   Now Eric is working on helping entrepreneurs to tokenize their business with NASGO and the NSG token. They’ve giving startups a way to use a working utility token within their community.   One of the artists they’re working with to facilitate tokenizing and monetizing his content is Jaafar Jackson (Jermaine Jackson’s son) who uses their VAPR app and his tokens to incentivize fans to purchase like, follow, comment, and share content and he rewards them with experiences like a studio visit when he records his next song.   I met Eric at the Blockchain for Impact summit in NYC in early June and we talk about one of the contributions he’s been making with the NASGO blockchain. One of the delegates in their DPOS structure goes to charitable donations, so every 17 minutes when a block reward gets paid out, one of them goes to their charitable contributuions.     Eric Tippets NASGO Jaafar Jackson, JUSIC token Looking for ways to Support the Show? Listen to Speaking of Crypto on Radio Public and they’ll send us a micropayment for each listen. Listen to 3 episodes or more, and they’ll send us a buck. Download the Radio Public app or listen online here à Radio Public Looking for other ways to support the podcast, check out the home page of our website for a few more ideas.
Open Source Technology and Blockchain Technology have created these base layer technologies with billions of dollars’ worth of value. Like what happened open source and the internet, now with blockchain, a few large players with buckets of money are going after only a small segment of developers to maximize profits for their investors. But what about developers? Shouldn’t they be able to capture some of that value – whether they’re building on open source or blockchain platforms? “Open source software creates billions of dollars a year in economic value for the world, and software developers don't have the opportunity to capture the value that they've created in the world because of because of open source… and in a lot of ways, it's a tragedy of the commons.” Kevin Owocki, founded Gitcoin, which brings together funders and developers in a peer to peer job network.  We talk about what Gitcoin is all about and how to get started. I asked him about how it would work if I wanted to hire a developer to create an online shopping cart for to sell SOC podcast merch and walks me through it. We also talk about the new paradigm of getting paid in ways we couldn’t in the past (like earning crypto for block rewards or for maintaining a network). “Since we value the work that miners are doing, we're paying them a block reward. But what if you also added a 10% overhead for the people who are actually building the open source software that the miners are running in order to secure the network, then you could have point to either go to a group of software developers who built the who built the ecosystem. And I think that that's the ultimate example of programming your values into your money, because it's a fundamentally new thing that could exists before the blockchain internet.” We also chat about globalization and the exportability of law and culture through blockchain’s borderless structure. Can developers from countries in Venezuela, Argentina, or Egypt where there has been a history of extreme inflation benefit from accessing American systems of freelance work structure? “We talk about the exportability of law through blockchain’s borderless structure. “one of the primary features of blockchain is that you can export the rule of law and faith in faith in your investments that you would get in somewhere like America, to a place where they don't have great rule of law and there's a lot of corruption.” We also talk about the idea of nations competing for citizens and Kevin recommends the book, The Sovereign Individual by James Dale Davidson and Lord William Rees-Mogg Kevin also shares some great things about the  Boulder, Colorado developer community. //   Kevin Owocki Gitcoin Gitcoin Mission How is Gitcoin doing? Check out their earnings here:
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