Summary
Brett Forrest and Warren Strobel join Andrew to discuss reporting intelligence. Brett and Warren are national security reporters for The Wall Street Journal.
What You’ll Learn
Intelligence
The intelligence learning curve
Stories from the front lines of modern conflicts and critical moments
The unique challenges that come with reporting on intelligence, and ...
The risks, including being a target of espionage
Reflections
Privacy and protection
The power, and danger, of sharing information
And much, much more …
Episode Notes
This week on SpyCast, Andrew was joined in the studio by Brett Forrest and Warren Strobel, intelligence correspondents at the Wall Street Journal. As SpyCast listeners will know, issues of intelligence and espionage are constantly going on all around us – But how does the public stay in the know and up to date on the latest cases and news from around the world? Well, that's where these two come in.
Quotes of the Week
“It's about knocking on every possible door that you can imagine, that you can come up with, that you can dig up. And, all you're hoping for is one of those doors to open. You know, you knock on a hundred doors, you get 99 doors to open. You just want that one door to open because that's where the information is. That's where the source is. So, I don't know if I would call that luck, I would call that persistence.” - Brett Forrest
Resources
SURFACE SKIM
*SpyCasts*
Zelensky, Ukraine, and Intelligence with Simon Shuster (2024)
China’s Corporate Spy War with CNBC’s Eamon Javers (2023)
My Life Looking at Spies & the Media with Paul Lashmar (2021)
The Women of NatSec Journalism – 6 Leading Journalists (2017)
*Beginner Resources*
A Brief History of Journalism in America, M. A. McIntosh, Brewminate (2022) [Short article]
A History of The Wall Street Journal, G. Hughes, Historic Newspapers (2021) [Short article]
What Is Journalism and Why Does it Matter? CTRL-F, YouTube (2018) [3 min. Video]
DEEPER DIVE
Books
Spies, Spin and the Fourth Estate, P. Lashmar (EUP, 2021)
Spies and the Media in Britain, R. Norton-Taylor (IBT, 2018)
Spinning Intelligence, R. Dover and M. Goodman (CUP, 2009)
Articles
How Cuba Recruits Spies to Penetrate Inner Circles of the U.S. Government, B. Forrest & W. Strobel, The Wall Street Journal (2024)
Reporters who covered U.S. invasion of Iraq reflect on impact of war, N. Schifrin & Z. Warsi, PBS News (2023)
Russian Spy or Ukrainian Hero? The Strange Death of Denys Kiryeyev, B. Forrest, The Wall Street Journal (2023)
In Ukraine, New Reports of War Crimes Emerge as Russians Retreat From Kyiv Area, B. Forrest, The Wall Street Journal (2022)
Questioning the Case for War, C. A. Preble, CATO Institute (2018)
CIA Intercepts Underpin Assessment Saudi Crown Prince Targeted Khashoggi, W. Strobel, The Wall Street Journal (2018)
Video
Lost Son with Brett Forrest, International Spy Museum, YouTube (2023)
Ukrainians in Bucha reflect on horrors and brutality suffered at hands of Russian forces, PBS News (2023)
Primary Sources
It is time to do everything to make the war crimes of the Russian military the last manifestation of this evil on earth - address by the President of Ukraine (2022)
UN Report on the Killing of Civilians in Ukraine (2022)
McClatchy (Knight Ridder) Iraq Intelligence Archive (2001-2007)
Reporting the War (2005)
*Wildcard Resource*
Shock and Awe (2017)
Starring James Marsden as Warren Strobel!
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I worked at SHAPE at the time and I worked quite a Lot with ACE CI. But this guy is full of shit. The bullshit of his story is seething out of my speaker. Laughable!
this was great, please have more Australians on!
really getting tired of all the woke BS on every damm episode. Used to be a good podcast, but is tiresome now. Could get back to spycraft instead of social justice?
Absolutely amazing. What a wonderful woman. Thank you Marthe for your dedication and bravery ensuring our freedom. Sending much love your way for a wonderful life in your twighlight years. 💕
yay finally an episode on Australia! I would suggest you do more on other countrys' intelligence starting with Five Eyes
is there a part 2, this seems to just cut out
very interesting podcast
Lost me when he started on limiting "hate speech." More boilerplate leftism. Fine and well if you just announce that this is his perspective, but to pretend that it's just obvious for combating counterterrorism is disingenuous. I'm starting to worry about this podcast. The previous host was carefully apolitical, this guy just doesn't seem to care that much about being balanced.
Would've been better to leave personal political beliefs out of the discussion.
surely Spycast can do better than Vince Houghton.....his liberal bias is a turn off and a big reason why I don't listen to Spycast anymore. I can get the leftist agenda on another channel.
This is pathetic. Liz wahl. Lol
love the show I've been listening 4 about half a year now, I've started with the old shows and throw a few new ones in here and there. 5 out of 5 stars one of my favorite podcast. however this episode I cannot hear your guests at all they sound very whisper ear quiet. using voice to text at work. keep up the good work, again love the show thanks for doing what you do
This cuts off at the end! You'd think that after years of this podcast, the quality would get better...
more Dangerous than Chicago. LA and Newyork?.
Bore score 100%. Enough callow youths!
Campbell's hasty speech is that of a nervous gabbler, and his Trump-like massacring of English syntax and grammar suggests incoherency of thought. God help USA if its safety depends upon jittery minds such as Campbell's.
Worst episode ever. Total circle-jerk among desktop spooks. No wonder taxes are high.
Dylan Thomas was Welsh, not Irish you ignoramus.