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Welcome to Strange Country, a podcast devoted to bizarre, surreal and extraordinary stories that make America the weird place it is. Co-hosts Kelly and Beth are former newspaper reporters turned school librarians who have always had a soft spot for a good story--the stranger the better. Discover the first woman to survive a barrel ride over Niagara Falls and the man who invented "complex marriage" in one of the most successful utopian experiments. Things get weird pretty quickly around here.
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In 1982, seven people died after taking doses of Extra Strength Tylenol, leading to a full-blown and safety standards for over-the-counter meds. To this day, the murders remain unsolved. Strange Country cohosts Beth and Kelly discuss this 1982 mystery and its possible suspects while Beth mispronounces "business ethics" because that's not really a thing. Theme music: Big White Lie by A Cast of Thousands. Cite your sources:  Bergmann, Joy. "A Bitter Pill." Chicago Reader, 2 Nov. 2000, https://chicagoreader.com/news/a-bitter-pill/. Accessed 22 Mar. 2026. Cold Case: The Tylenol Murders. Directed by Yotam Guendelman and Ari Pines, Netflix, 2025. Accessed 22 Mar. 2026. Harris, Gardiner. No More Tears: The Dark Secrets of Johnson & Johnson. Random House, 2025. Locke, Taylor. "Tylenol Orders in Pregnant People Plummeted after Trump Falsely Linked the Drug to Autism." Scientific American, 12 Mar. 2026, www.scientificamerican.com/article/tylenol-orders-in-pregnant-people-plummeted-after-trump-falsely-linked-the/. Accessed 23 Mar. 2026. "Searching for Tylenol Murder Suspects." Thirteen / PBS, https://www.thirteen.org/programs/chicago-stories/searching-for-tylenol-murder-suspects-iamsis/. Accessed 22 Mar. 2026. Waxman, Olivia B. "The True Story Behind Cold Case: The Tylenol Murders." Time, 26 May 2025, https://time.com/7287680/tylenol-murders-documentary-netflix/. Accessed 22 Mar. 2026. "Who Committed the Tylenol Murders? After More Than 40 Years, the Case Remains Unsolved." WTTW Chicago, https://www.wttw.com/chicago-stories/inside-the-tylenol-murders/who-committed-the-tylenol-murders. Accessed 22 Mar. 2026. Winny, Annalies. "The Evidence on Tylenol and Autism." Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health, 7 October 2025, https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2025/the-evidence-on-tylenol-and-autism. Accessed 23 March 2026.
Hey dear Dash Hounds, we are back this week in a regular kind of way talking about a woman you probably have never heard of—unless you are a folk art phenom like Beth. Learn about a woman and artist whose life may have gone unnoticed except for her self-taught crayon portraits. They go for about $3K on Antiques Roadshow, which is so close to our going rate for Patreon. Inez Nathaniel-Walker's life was not easy, but somewhere, someone with an easier life is looking at her work and likely wondering who was she? Well you have come to the right place. Thanks for listening; it is an act of love. Theme music: Big White Lie by A Cast of Thousands Cite your sources:  https://www.inezwalker.com/, 2024, https://www.inezwalker.com/. Accessed 28 February 2026. "American Folk Art Museum." Women's Studies, https://folkartmuseum.org/exhibitions/womens-studies/. Accessed 28 February 2026. Bellows, Sierra. "Tales From and Attic." The American Scholar, Phi Betta Kappa, 4 March 2024, https://theamericanscholar.org/tales-from-an-attic/. Accessed 4 March 2026. Brown, Chris. "Her ex-husband cut off her hands. Now she is trying to help other Russian victims of domestic violence." CBC, 26 March 2021, https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/margarita-gracheva-tv-show-1.5949790. Accessed 4 March 2026. D'Ambrosio, Paul. "Bad Girls." American Folk Art, 31 March 2010, https://folkartcooperstown.blogspot.com/2010_03_01_archive.html. Accessed 27 Febrauary 2026. Kippert, Amanda. "Women Serve Longer Prison Sentences After Killing Abusers." Domestic Shelters, 22 June 2020, https://www.domesticshelters.org/articles/in-the-news/women-serve-longer-prison-sentences-after-killing-abusers. Accessed 4 March 2026. "Memorial Service for Pat Parsons." https://www.essexonlakechamplain.com/pat-parsons/. Rhodes, Adam. "New York Women's Prison with a hostory of Violencehired a high ranking officialknown for abuse." https://prismreports.org/2026/02/25/bedford-hills-michael-blot-transgender/.
It may seem the government's technique of denigrating the people they kill to make it appear that the killing was justified is a new fun thing in 2026, but we've been here before. It's likely you've never heard of Viola Liuzzo, the only white woman murdered during the Civil Rights Movement. Her name kept popping up on the social media accounts of historians after the murders of Renee Good and Alexi Pretti, trying to tell us all once again to maybe pay attention to the past. In this episode of Strange Country, cohosts Beth and Kelly talk about Liuzzo's life and how J. Edgar Hoover made sure to smear her as a drug-taking, orgy-loving, baby-neglecting mother who deserved being shot in a head by klansmen. Theme music: Big White Lie by A Cast of Thousands Cite your sources: Baird, Jonathan. "The tragic and forgotten story of Viola Liuzzo." The Nation, 4 November 2024, https://www.thenation.com/travellog/the-tragic-and-forgotten-story-of-viola-liuzzo/. Accessed 30 January 2026. Baumgartner, Neil. "Viola Gregg Luizzo." Jim Crow Museum, February 2013, https://jimcrowmuseum.ferris.edu/witnesses/violaliuzzo.htm. Accessed 30 January 2026. "City officials unveil new civil rights memorial monument honoring Viola Liuzzo at park bearing her name." City of Detroit, 28 September 2023. Accessed 8 February 2026. Crayton, Kareem. "The Voting Rights Act, Explained." Brennan Center for Justice, 17 July 2023, https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/voting-rights-act-explained. Accessed 8 February 2026. Dalby, Beth. "Killed by KKK and Smeared by FBI, Civil Rights Martyr Finally Hailed as Hero." Patch, 7 April 2015, https://patch.com/michigan/ferndale/killed-kkk-and-smeared-fbi-civil-rights-martyr-finally-hailed-hero-0. Accessed 8 February 2026. Daley, David. "John Roberts's Decades-Long Project to Neuter the Voting Rights Act." The Atlantic, 10 December 2025, https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/2025/12/justice-roberts-voting-rights-act/685193/. Accessed 8 February 2026. di Florio, Paola, director. Home of the Brave. Emerging Pictures, 2004. Amazon Prime. Kaufman, Michael T. "Gary T. Rowe Jr., 64, Who Informed on Klan In Civil Rights Killing, Is Dead (Published 1998)." The New York Times, 4 October 1998, https://www.nytimes.com/1998/10/04/us/gary-t-rowe-jr-64-who-informed-on-klan-in-civil-rights-killing-is-dead.html. Accessed 8 February 2026. May, Gary. The Informant: The FBI, the Ku Klux Klan, and the Murder of Viola Liuzzo. Yale University Press, 2005.
"Ask again later" would have been a common response if you had asked your magic eight ball when Strange Country would have a new episode over the last weeks. But now "the outlook is good" because here are cohosts Beth and Kelly together again to talk about the time people spent tons of money to talk to barely trained psychics over the phone lured in by the infomercial featuring the self-proclaimed shaman Miss Cleo. Theme music: Big White Lie by A Cast of Thousands Cite your sources:  Aniskovich, Celia, and Jennifer Brea, directors. Call Me Miss Cleo. 2022. Amazon Prime.   Burnham, David. "F.C.C. Eases Rules for Broadcast TV." The New York Times, 28 June 1984, https://www.nytimes.com/1984/06/28/arts/fcc-eases-rules-for-broadcast-tv.html. Accessed 4 January 2026.   Madison, Bennett. "I Was a Hotline Psychic for Miss Cleo (Published 2016)." The New York Times, 5 September 2016, https://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/09/fashion/mens-style/hotline-psychic-miss-cleo-commercials.html. Accessed 3 January 2026.   Scott, Liam. "The repeal of the fairness doctrine accelerated the polarization of US media." The Poynter Institute, 22 April 2025, https://www.poynter.org/reporting-editing/2025/poynter-50-repeal-fairness-doctrine-rush-limbaugh-conservative-talk-radio/. Accessed 10 January 2026.   Shreya, Kumari. "Steven Feder and Peter Stolz: Where Are PRN Co-Owners Now?" The Cinemaholic, 16 December 2022, https://thecinemaholic.com/steven-feder-and-peter-stolz-where-are-prn-co-owners-now/. Accessed 13 January 2026.   "Why Do We Believe Our Horoscopes?" The Decision Lab, https://thedecisionlab.com/biases/barnum-effect?adw=true&utm_campaign=21+Biases+-+Barnum+Effect&utm_medium=ppc&utm_source=adwords&utm_term=barnum%20effect%20psychology&hsa_mt=b&hsa_net=adwords&hsa_ad=500704987386&hsa_src=g&hsa_cam=12413027018&hsa_kw=barnum   "Two companies, owners fined in 'Miss Cleo' case." Sarasota Herald-Tribune, 4 October 2002, https://www.heraldtribune.com/story/news/2002/10/04/two-companies-owners-fined-in-miss-cleo-case/28723891007/. Accessed 13 January 2026.
While he may have been called a demagogue and a counterfeit Mussolini, Huey Long had some darn tootin' good ideas—mainly taxing the rich into oblivion. Strange Country cohosts Beth and Kelly talk about Long's rise to populist power in the 1930s and the corruption in its wake, but also how much a 65% tax increase on the rich makes a whole lotta sense. Like Long said "We only propose that, when one man gets more than he and his children and children's children can spend or use in their lifetimes, that then we shall say that such person has his share. That means that a few million dollars is the limit to what any one man can own." Theme music: Big White Lie by A Cast of Thousands Cite your sources: Burns, Ken, director. Huey Long. PBS, 1985.   Ganz, John. "Swamp Creature." When the Clock Broke : Con Men, Conspiracists, and How America Cracked up in the Early 1990s, Farrar, Straus and Giroux, 2024, pp. 1-42.   "Governor Huey Long: Kidnapper." Medium, 21 November 2021, https://medium.com/historys-trainwrecks/governor-huey-long-kidnapper-52b69644141c. Accessed 15 November 2025.   Kolbert, Elizabeth. "The Big Sleazy." The New Yorker, The New Yorker, 12 June 2006, https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2006/06/12/the-big-sleazy. Accessed 15 November 2025. White Jr., Lamar (April 2, 2018). "Huey P. Long wasn't assassinated"Bayou Brief. Archived from the original on June 9, 2020 White, Richard D. Kingfish : the Reign of Huey P. Long. Random House, 2006.
In 1964, MIT researcher Joseph Weizenbaum created the first therapy chatbot ELIZA and realized soon after that it sucked and humanity was worse for it. Sixty years later, our new tech gods are like "sex porn bots for all!" Strange Country cohosts Beth and Kelly emulate the AI versions of themselves as they tell the tale of a computer scientist realizing Frankenstein's monster is a pile of generic platitudes that soaks up more energy than is sustainable. Theme music: Big White Lie by A Cast of Thousands Cite your sources: Huet, Ellen and Rachel Metz. "The Chatbot Delusions." Bloomberg Businessweek, 7 November 2025.    Jargon, Julie, and Sam Schechner. "Seven Lawsuits Allege OpenAI Encouraged Suicide and Harmful Delusions." The Wall Street Journal, 6 November 2025. https://www.wsj.com/tech/ai/seven-lawsuits-allege-openai-encouraged-suicide-and-harmful-delusions-25def1a3?gaa_at=eafs&gaa_n=AWEtsqdpfGBceCV1PHQljKMjMLgWMGTLtjo_qhdIzShR2uA8xXfuaqhIpJX4vBln7J0%3D&gaa_ts=69150f7d&gaa_sig=AnCNwO6N3LypulT6ufqqtDnUS7qBWHLFLX6Yc2FxlQSZHHDw9CJrvlSkJqa5vuxoI6qLwxyfA8BhD4sDghUwaw%3D%3D   Killgrove, Kristina. "'ELIZA,' the world's 1st chatbot, was just resurrected from 60-year-old computer code." Live Science, Future US Inc, 18 January 2025, https://www.livescience.com/technology/eliza-the-worlds-1st-chatbot-was-just-resurrected-from-60-year-old-computer-code. Accessed 9 November 2025.   Metz, Cade. "Are A.I. Therapy Chatbots Safe to Use?" The New York Times, 6 November 2025, https://www.nytimes.com/2025/11/06/technology/ai-therapy-chatbots-ash.html. Accessed 8 November 2025.   Tarnoff, Ben. "Weizenbaum's nightmares: how the inventor of the first chatbot turned against AI." The Guardian, 25 July 2023, https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/jul/25/joseph-weizenbaum-inventor-eliza-chatbot-turned-against-artificial-intelligence-ai. Accessed 9 November 2025.   Weizenbaum, Joseph. "Computer Power and Human Reason." W. H. Freeman and Company. 1976. http://blogs.evergreen.edu/cpat/files/2013/05/Computer-Power-and-Human-Reason.pdf   Wells, Sarah. "Exploring the Dangers of AI in Mental Health Care." HAI, Stanford University, 11 June 2025, https://hai.stanford.edu/news/exploring-the-dangers-of-ai-in-mental-health-care. Accessed 8 November 2025.
Hey Dash Hounds! Remember when that famous person said the thing that the other famous person put on a coffee mug? "The only thing we learn from history is that we learn nothing from history?" Well it's true. And if you want another reminder, listen to Beth and Kelly this week as the Strange Country cohosts tell you about the time when Chinese women were wrongfully taken off the streets under The Page Act of 1875, the very first official legislation allowing some guy in charge to unkindly remove people from the country. This story is getting old but we keep it fresh. Thanks for listening. It is an act of love. Theme music: Big White Lie by A Cast of Thousands Cite your sources dude: https://loveman.sdsu.edu/docs/1875Immigration%20Act.pdf. Abrams, Kerry. "Polygamy, Prostitution and the Federalization of Immigratiuon Law." Columbia Law Review, vol. 105, no. 3, 2005, pp. 641-716. https://scholarship.law.duke.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=6520&context=faculty_scholarship. "Better Lives Bitter Lies." National Parks Service, https://www.nps.gov/podcasts/better-lives-bitter-lies.htm. "Chinese Immigration Restriction." Federal Judicial Center |, https://www.fjc.gov/history/spotlight-judicial-history/chinese-immigration-restriction. Accessed 19 October 2025. Hijar, Katherine. "Chinese Women, Immigration, and the First U.S. Exclusion Law: The Page Act of 1875 - San Francisco Maritime National Historical Park (U.S." National Park Service, 25 October 2024, https://www.nps.gov/safr/blogs/chinese-women-immigration-and-the-first-u-s-exclusion-law-the-page-act-of-1875.htm. Accessed 19 October 2025. 150 Years of Border Patrol. https://matrix.berkeley.edu/research-article/page-act/. "Page Act of 1875 - Wikipedia." Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Page_Act_of_1875. Accessed 19 October 2025. Young, William H. "Marriage and Family in Western Civilization." National Association of Scholars, https://www.nas.org/blogs/article/marriage_and_family_in_western_civilization.
Tis Pumpkin Spice time and Strange Country has a spooky story to listen to as you drink a pumpkin spice-flavored whatever gets you through this America 2025. Co-hosts Beth and Kelly discuss the unsolved ax murders plaguing railroad towns in the early 1900s and how people trampled crime scenes for entertainment. Theme music: Big White Lie by A Cast of Thousands Cite your sources: Dash, Mike. "The Ax Murderer Who Got Away." Smithsonian Magazine, 8 June 2012, https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/the-ax-murderer-who-got-away-117037374/. Accessed 7 October 2025.   "An Entire Family Murdered." The New York Times, 11 January 1898, p. 5, https://timesmachine.nytimes.com/timesmachine/1898/01/11/102522610.html?pageNumber=5.   Hesse, Josiah M., et al. "​Why Did a Ghost Hunter Stab Himself Inside a Famous Ax-Murder House?" VICE, 18 November 2014, https://www.vice.com/en/article/why-did-a-ghost-hunter-stab-himself-inside-a-famous-axe-murder-house-1118/. Accessed 7 October 2025.   Miller, Matt, and Lauren Kranc. "13 Terrifying-But-True Horror Stories Reported in the News." Esquire, 5 October 2023, https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/news/a39179/five-real-life-horror-stories/. Accessed 27 September 2025.   Taylor, Troy. Murdered in Their Beds. Whitechapel Productions Press, 2012.   Taylor, Troy. "THE NEWTON FAMILY MURDERS — American Hauntings." American Hauntings, winter 2024, https://www.americanhauntingsink.com/manonthetrain. Accessed 7 October 2025.   Van Gilder, Fay, and Joseph B. Moore. "History of the Villisca Axe Murders - The Suspects." Villisca Axe Murder House, https://murderhouse.com/the-house-and-murders/suspects/. Accessed 7 October 2025.   "Villisca Axe Murder House." US Ghost Adventures, https://usghostadventures.com/haunted-houses/villisca-axe-murder-house/. Accessed 7 October 2025.
It's Strange Country, bitch. Yes, we're back. Has anything happened? Likely no. In today's episode cohosts Beth and Kelly tackle the conservatorship saga of pop icon Britney Spears and how gross people were to her much of her life. Theme music: Big White Lie by A Cast of Thousands Cite your sources: Aswad, Jem. "Britney Spears: Full Court Transcript Against Conservatorship." Variety, 23 June 2021, https://variety.com/2021/music/news/britney-spears-full-statement-conservatorship-1235003940/. Accessed 11 August 2025.   Austin, Sophie. "After #FreeBritney, California to Limit Conservatorships." AP, 30 September 2022, https://apnews.com/article/britney-spears-california-gavin-newsom-government-and-politics-c4ba9815e41cf6c00210eaf73b38a7a2.   Bacher, Danielle. "Britney Spears Paid $2.12 Million in Dad's Legal Bills: Settlement (Exclusive)." People.com, 21 February 2025, https://people.com/britney-spears-paid-over-2-million-dollars-dad-conservatorship-legal-fees-settlement-agreement-details-exclusive-11683751. Accessed 12 August 2025.   "Britney Spears in Hospital After Standoff." The New York Times, 5 January 2008, https://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/05/arts/05brit.html. Accessed 12 August 2025.   Coscarelli, Joe. "Britney Spears Quietly Pushed for Years to End Her Conservatorship (Published 2021)." The New York Times, 2 November 2021, https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/22/arts/music/britney-spears-conservatorship.html. Accessed 13 August 2025.   Farrow, Ronan, and Jia Tolentino. "Britney Spears's Conservatorship Nightmare." The New Yorker, 3 July 2021, https://www.newyorker.com/news/american-chronicles/britney-spears-conservatorship-nightmare. Accessed 11 August 2025   Gilbert, Sophie. Girl on Girl: How Pop Culture Turned a Generation of Women Against Themselves. Penguin Publishing Group, 2025.   Grigoriadis, Vanessa. "The Tragedy of Britney Spears." Rolling Stone, 21 February 2008, https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/the-tragedy-of-britney-spears-241056/. Accessed 11 August 2025.   Lee, Ken. "Judge: Britney a 'Habitual' User of Alcohol, Drugs." People, 1 December 2020, https://people.com/celebrity/judge-britney-a-habitual-user-of-alcohol-drugs/.   Schmidt, Mackenzie. "House Where Brittany Murphy Died and Britney Spears Felt a Portal for Sale for $17M." People Magazine, 15 December 2024, https://people.com/house-where-brittany-murphy-died-and-britney-spears-felt-a-portal-to-another-dimension-for-sale-8757472. Accessed 11 August 2025.   Spears, Britney. The Woman in Me. Gallery Books, 2023.   Stark, Samantha, director. Framing Britney Spears. 2021. The New York Times, https://www.nytimes.com/article/framing-britney-spears.html.   Stevens, Mark. "Britney Spears's Meltdown - Why She Shaved Her Head." New York Magazine, 23 February 2007, https://nymag.com/news/intelligencer/features/28528/. Accessed 12 August 2025.   Wagmeister, Elizabeth. "Britney Spears' attorney Mathew Rosengart no longer representing singer after finalizing litigation for her conservatorship." CNN, 24 June 2024, https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/24/entertainment/britney-spears-mathew-rosengart. Accessed 12 August 2025.
We all know that women and men are monoliths, right? Women like shoes and the government controlling their bodies; men like muscled-up NFTs of Donald Trump and bench-pressing bitcoin. But what if people aren't on this straight black-and-white binary? Candy Darling, born James Slattery, defied societal expectations and chose to live her life as a superstar along the lines of her favorite actor Kim Novak. Darling was one of Andy Warhol's last "superstars," until her untimely death from cancer at the age of 29 in 1974. Strange Country cohosts Beth and Kelly discuss how Darling straddled two very different worlds; one where she hobnobbed in Warhol's inner circle and one where she relied on friends and acquaintances' couches because she had no money. Theme music: Big White Lie by A Cast of Thousands Cite your sources: Als, Hilton. "The Warhol "Superstar" Candy Darling and the Fight to Be Seen." The New Yorker, 8 April 2024, https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2024/04/15/candy-darling-dream-icon-superstar-cynthia-carr-book-review. Accessed 7 July 2025.   Baumgold, Julie. "Andy, Candy, and me." Esquire, vol. 125, no. 5, May 1996, pp. 120+. Gale OneFile: Popular Magazines, link.gale.com/apps/doc/A18239581/PPPM?u=nysl_sc_flls&sid=bookmark-PPPM&xid=b00684c9. Accessed 11 July 2025. Carr, Cynthia. Candy Darling: Dreamer, Icon, Superstar. Farrar, Straus and Giroux, 2024. Ottenberg, Mel. "Who Is Candy Darling? Behind the Mystique of the Ultimate Warhol Superstar." Interview Magazine, 19 February 2024, https://www.interviewmagazine.com/culture/who-is-candy-darling-behind-the-mystique-of-the-ultimate-warhol-superstar. Accessed 6 July 2025. Rasin, James, director. Beautiful Darling. Flowersides Creations, 2009. Amazon Prime, https://www.amazon.com/gp/video/detail/B07YVLX3L2/ref=atv_hm_mys_c_uJQOV1_3_1.
What do you do when you need a little pick-me-up? Exercise? Drink some coffee? Laugh uproariously at Strange Country cohosts Beth and Kelly? For some, like politicians and celebs that didn't cut it so instead they went to Dr. Max Jacobson to get a concoction of vitamins, monkey gonads and amphetamines injected into their necks and arms. Jacobson, known as Dr. Feelgood, had the ability to cure any ailment merely by making you so high you couldn't feel anything. Until he got his medical license revoked in the 1970s and the party was over. Theme music: Big White Lie by A Cast of Thousands Cite your sources: Brody, Jane E. "Patient and His Physician: Quandary for Medicine." The New York Times, 16 January 1973, p. 81, https://www.nytimes.com/1973/01/16/archives/patient-and-his-doctor-quandary-for-medicine.html. Accessed 20 June 2025. Carlson, Peter. "Synthetic Vigor." American History, vol. 46, no. 2, June, 2011, pp. 29-37. ProQuest, https://www.proquest.com/magazines/synthetic-vigor/docview/863238837/se-2. Lertzman, Richard A., and William J. Birnes. Dr. Feelgood: The Shocking Story of the Doctor Who May Have Changed History by Treating and Drugging JFK, Marilyn, Elvis, and Other Prominent Figures. Skyhorse, 2014. Markel, Howard. "John F. Kennedy Kept These Medical Struggles Private." PBS News, 22 Nov. 2019, https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/john-f-kennedy-kept-these-medical-struggles-private. Smith, Benedict. "Ex-White House doctor known as the 'candyman' dispensed pills without prescriptions; Reports that Ronny Jackson courted influence in Obama and Trump administrations by giving staff drugs while ignoring medical procedures." Telegraph Online, 19 Feb. 2024. Gale OneFile: News, link.gale.com/apps/doc/A783037514/STND?u=nysl_sc_flls&sid=bookmark-STND&xid=bd49799b. Accessed 22 June 2025. "The Power and the Fraility." The Washington Post, 14 June 2023, https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/entertainment/books/2003/06/15/the-power-and-the-frailty/0c817a9c-2294-4218-ab4a-9b67a985fbf9/. Accessed 18 June 2025. Reeves, Richard. "Opinion | Kennedy's Private Ills." The New York Times, 21 November 2002, https://www.nytimes.com/2002/11/21/opinion/kennedy-s-private-ills.html. Accessed 18 June 2025. Rensberger, Boyce (December 4, 1972). "Amphetamines Used by a Physician To Lift Moods of Famous Patients". New York Times.  Shachtman, Noah, et al. "Trump's White House Was 'Awash in Speed' -- and Xanax." Rolling Stone, 3 March 2024, https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/trump-white-house-drugs-speed-xanax-1234979503/. Accessed 22 June 2025. Twohey, Megan. "On the Campaign Trail, Elon Musk Juggled Drugs and Family Drama." The New York Times, 31 May 2025, https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/30/us/elon-musk-drugs-children-trump.html. Accessed 22 June 2025.
Dear Dashhounds, have you lost the ability to handle all the things? Enough that you are thinking about bringing back the streaking fad of the 70s? Before you get all hot and bothered and start taking off your clothes in front of strangers, listen to this Strange Country episode #300 about where streaking in 'Merica originated. If you thought it was something free and fun, you are a little right, but only for a chosen few. Thanks always for listening, it is an act of love that you can do with your clothes on. Theme music: Big White Lie by A Cast of Thousands Cite your sources:  "CRUMP, George William." Biographical Directory of the United States Congress, https://bioguide.congress.gov/search/bio/C000956. Accessed 03 July 2025. KIRKPATRICK, B. (2010), "It Beats Rocks and Tear Gas": Streaking and Cultural Politics in the Post-Vietnam Era. The Journal of Popular Culture, 43: 1023-1047. https://doi.org/10.1111/j.1540-5931.2010.00785.x Margoshes, Pamela. "Speaking Personally; A College Streaker Bares the Whole Naked Truth." New York Times, 4 August 1985, https://www.nytimes.com/1985/08/04/nyregion/speaking-personally-a-college-streaker-bares-the-whole-naked-truth.html. "Music: Streaking, streaking everywhere." Time, no. March 18, 1974, https://time.com/archive/6844977/music-streaking-streaking-everywhere/. Stevens, Ray. The Streak. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtzoUu7w-YM. "Streaking - Wikipedia." Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streaking. Accessed 3 July 2025.
Charlotte Osborne Mason was one of the biggest benefactors of the Harlem Renaissance but her patronage came with a cost. While she gave noted luminaries Langston Hughes and Zora Neale Hurston monthly stipends to make art, she wanted a say in what the art would be in order to realize her vision: a flaming bridge to connect America to Africa. Strange Country cohosts Beth and Kelly talk about this strange rich white lady who believed she knew more about being Black than the artists she supported with strings. Theme music: Big White Lie by A Cast of Thousands Cite your sources: Boyd, Valerie. "About Zora Neale Hurston." Zora Neale Hurston, 18 September 2024, https://www.zoranealehurston.com/about/. Accessed 7 May 2025. Hosie, Rachel. "Powerful people act as if they've suffered a traumatic brain injury, find scientists." The Independent, 26 June 2017, https://www.the-independent.com/life-style/powerful-people-brain-injury-traumatic-empathy-mirroring-keltner-study-science-a7807946.html. Accessed 13 June 2025. "When Hurston Had a (Mule) Bone to Pick with Hughes." Proquest, 20 June 2018, https://about.proquest.com/en/blog/2018/when-hurston-had-a-mule-bone-to-pick-with-hughes/. Kaplan, Carla. Miss Anne in Harlem: The White Women of the Black Renaissance. HarperCollins, 2013. Panovka, Rebecca. "A Different Backstory for Zora Neale Hurston's "Barracoon."" Los Angeles Review of Books, 7 July 2018, https://lareviewofbooks.org/article/different-backstory-for-zora-neale-hurstons-barracoon/. Accessed 7 May 2025.  
We love our trials of the century here at Strange Country and this one is a doozy. It's likely one you've never heard of: Rhinelander v Rhinelander. See a young aristocrat married a domestic worker and everyone went all "heavens to betsy" about it, but what made it bring out the worst in people was that the working class bride was biracial. This was in 1924 before the country accepted interracial marriage and the KKK was on the resurgence—or what we could now call the present time. Theme music: Big White Lie by A Cast of Thousands Cite your sources: Greene, Bryan. "How an Interracial Marriage Sparked One of the Most Scandalous Trials of the Roaring Twenties." Smithsonian Magazine, 20 November 2024, https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/how-an-interracial-marriage-sparked-one-of-the-most-scandalous-trials-of-the-roaring-twenties-180985486/. Accessed 8 May 2025. Johnson, Theodore R. "When One Of New York's Glitterati Married A 'Quadroon.'" NPR, 7 June 2014, https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2014/06/07/319813854/when-one-of-new-yorks-glitterati-married-a-quadroon. Accessed 10 May 2025.   Lewis, Earl, and Heidi Ardizzone. Love on Trial: An American Scandal in Black and White. Norton, 2002. Onwuachi-Willig, Angela. A Beautiful Lie: Exploring Rhinelander v. Rhinelander as a Formative Lesson on Race, Identity, Marriage, and Family , 95 California Law Review 2393 (2007) https://scholarship.law.bu.edu/faculty_scholarship/310 "Rhinelanders Flee Glare of Publicity." The New York Times [New York], 15 November 1924, p. 6, https://timesmachine.nytimes.com/timesmachine/1924/11/15/100236265.html?pageNumber=6.
Does it make you feel better to know that America has always been populated by horrible people determined to ostracize others and destroy our democratic principles? Probably not. But it's true. The ghouls we see today are repeating the things that ghouls of the past once said. Today's episode of Strange Country, cohosts Beth and Kelly talk about ghoulish Elizabeth Dilling, a self-proclaimed sahm who traveled the country preaching in the 1930s about the communists all around us and wrote crank Glenn Beck's fav book. Theme music: Big White Lie by A Cast of Thousands Cite your sources: ERICKSON, CHRISTINE K. ""I have Not had One Fact Disproven": Elizabeth Dilling's Crusade Against Communism in the 1930s." Journal of American Studies, vol. 36, 2002, pp. 473-489. ProQuest, https://www.proquest.com/scholarly-journals/i-have-not-had-one-fact-disproven-elizabeth/docview/195681500/se-2. Jeansonne, Glen. Women of the far right : the mothers' movement and World War II. University of Chicago Press, 1996. Accessed 6 May 2025. Tan, Sarah. "Quick Facts About Candace Owens: Net Worth, Husband George Farmer, Children and More." IBTimes UK, 11 February 2025, https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/quick-facts-about-candace-owens-net-worth-husband-george-farmer-children-more-1730903. Accessed 20 April 2025.
With the on-again, off-again tariffs and total economic sh*tstorm, one wonders why anyone ever thought Donald Trump had any economic sense. That's because Mark Burnett transformed the six-time bankruptcy declaring tabloid star into a successful businessman character on the "reality" show The Apprentice. On today's episode of Strange Country, cohosts Beth and Kelly talk about the ultimate deception that led over 70 million Americans to give the keys to a chaos agent for a second time. Theme music: Big White Lie by A Cast of Thousands Works Cited Buettner, Russ, and Susanne Craig. Lucky Loser: How Donald Trump Squandered His Father's Fortune and Created the Illusion of Success. Vintage Publishing, 2024. Accessed 22 March 2025. Bushard, Brian. "Kwame Jackson Claims Trump Not 'Comfortable Around Black People': Apprentice Runner-Up Allegedly Called N-Word." Forbes, 1 June 2024, https://www.forbes.com/sites/brianbushard/2024/06/01/kwame-jackson-claims-trump-not-comfortable-around-black-people-apprentice-runner-up-allegedly-called-n-word/. Keefe, Patrick Radden. "How Mark Burnett Resurrected Donald Trump as an Icon of American Success." The New Yorker, 27 December 2018, https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019/01/07/how-mark-burnett-resurrected-donald-trump-as-an-icon-of-american-success. Keveney, Bill. "Arnold Schwarzenegger leaves 'Apprentice,' Trump says he was fired." USA Today, 3 March 2017, https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/tv/2017/03/03/arnold-quits-apprentice-before-he-can-fired/98700892/. Nussbaum, Emily. Cue the Sun! The Invention of Reality TV. Random House Publishing Group, 2024. Reiss, Adam, et al. "N.Y. attorney general refuses to drop $486 million judgment against Trump." NBC News, 10 December 2024, https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/ny-attorney-general-refuses-drop-486-million-judgment-trump-rcna183603. Setoodeh, Ramin. Apprentice in Wonderland: How Donald Trump and Mark Burnett Took America Through the Looking Glass. HarperCollins Publishers, 2024. Smith, Greg B. "Trump Org Presses Eric Adams for Wollman Rink Rights After City Hall Spurned $120M Nonprofit Gift." The City, 15 March 2025, https://www.thecity.nyc/2025/03/15/trump-wollman-rink-eric-adams-central-park/.
Hey Readers! Alice Duer Miller was a women of her time and ours! Who was she? Why don't you know? Because she is a woman, and that's a dangerous word these days. Theme music: Big White Lie by A Cast of Thousands Cite Your Sources Dude "Alice Duer Miller." Poetry Foundation, https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/alice-duer-miller#tab-related. Dresner, Zita. "Heterodite Humor: Alice Duer Miller and Florence Guy Seabury." Journal of American Culture, 07 June 2004, https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1542-734X.1987.1003_33.x. Accessed 27 03 2025. Miller, Alice D. Are Women People. ebook access on Project Gutenburg. https://www.gutenberg.org/files/11689/11689-h/11689-h.htm, Project Gutenburg, https://www.gutenberg.org/files/11689/11689-h/11689-h.htm. The Editors of Encyclopedia Britannica. "Alice Duer Miller". Encyclopedia Britannica, 18 Aug. 2024, https://www.britannica.com/biography/Alice-Duer-Miller. Accessed 26 March 2025 "Where Women Fail in Marriage." Fulton History, The Washington Post, 03 06 1928, https://fultonhistory.com/Fulton.html. Accessed 27 03 2025.
This is a true story. Of two strange podcasters picked to podcast in an attic about a strange country. Find out what happens when Beth and Kelly stop being polite and start getting real about The Real World, the reality show that created the blueprint for all other reality shows. Theme music: Big White Lie by A Cast of Thousands Cite your sources:  Arthur, Kate. "Looking Back At "The Real World: San Francisco," The Show That Changed The World." Buzzfeed, 7 January 2014, https://www.buzzfeed.com/kateaurthur/real-world-san-francisco-pedro-zamora-rachel-campos.   Chaney, Jen. "Every White Person Should Watch This Week's The Real World Homecoming." Vulture, 19 March 2021, https://www.vulture.com/2021/03/the-real-world-homecoming-rebecca-kevin-racism-fight-episode.html. Cohen, Randy. "Real World. Not." The New York Times Book Review, 12 July 1998. Gale OneFile: News, link.gale.com/apps/doc/A150174908/STND?u=nysl_sc_ahs&sid=bookmark-STND&xid=0add2ee3. Accessed 22 Feb. 2025. Gatollari, Mustafa. "The Real World Cast Members Who Have Died." Distractify, 24 June 2024, https://www.distractify.com/p/real-world-members-who-have-died. Accessed 21 February 2025.   Heldman, Breanne L. "Eric Nies Reflects on Life After The Real World: 'My Life Is Filled with Angels and Demons.'" People.com, 24 February 2021, https://people.com/tv/eric-nies-life-after-the-real-world/. Accessed 22 February 2025.   Nussbaum, Emily. Cue the Sun! The Invention of Reality TV. Random House Publishing Group, 2024. O'Connor, John J. "Review/Television; 'The Real World,' According to MTV." New York Times, 9 July 1992. Gale OneFile: News, link.gale.com/apps/doc/A174928194/STND?u=nysl_sc_ahs&sid=bookmark-STND&xid=0a1bbe5a. Accessed 20 Feb. 2025. Roberts, Michael. "The Unreal World | Music | Denver." Denver Westword, 14 March 1996, https://www.westword.com/music/the-unreal-world-5056129. Accessed 17 February 2025. Shales, Tom. "MTV's 'The Real World' needs to, like, get real." San Antonio Express, One Star ed., 5 June 1992, p. 26. NewsBank: America's Historical Newspapers, https://infoweb.newsbank.com/apps/news/openurl?ctx_ver=z39.88-2004&rft_id=info%3Asid/infoweb.newsbank.com&svc_dat=EANX-K12&req_dat=0FA0729FAB9D3500&rft_val_format=info%3Aofi/fmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Actx&rft_dat=document_id%3Aimage%252Fv2%253A10EEA20F1A545758%2540EANX-K12-16DE61B4872929B2%25402448779-16DE257513777099%254025-16DE257513777099%2540. Accessed 20 Feb. 2025. Wallace-Wells, Benjamin (November 18, 2003). "Reality Killed the Video Star". The Washington Monthly. Archived from the original on March 24, 2006. Wickman, Kase. "Sean Duffy From The Real World Is Trump's Latest Cabinet Pick. Yep." Vanity Fair, 19 November 2024, https://www.vanityfair.com/style/story/sean-duffy-from-the-real-world-is-trumps-latest-cabinet-pick?srsltid=AfmBOopQpcPd7CaQppFbaXcvMwJ-FZX_J2BL142NZWfOdNXIErmPpest.
Smile, you're listening to a podcast about Candid Camera. Created by Allen Funt, Candid Camera was America's first prank reality show. A case could be made that this show is responsible for the reality television trend that led to a con man being packaged as a "successful businessman" and is now pranking America as prez. Strange Country cohosts Beth and Kelly talk about this pioneering show whilst smiling through their tears. Theme music: Big White Lie by A Cast of Thousands. Cite your sources:   "Candid Camera | Television Academy Interviews." Television Academy Interviews |, 1997, https://interviews.televisionacademy.com/shows/candid-camera. Accessed 26 January 2025.   Engle, Harrison. "Hidden Cameras and Human Behavior—An Interview with Allen Funt." ida, 1 October 2000, Hidden Cameras and Human Behavior—An Interview with Allen Funt.   Flagler, J.M. "Student of the Spontaneous." The New Yorker, 2 December 1960, https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/1960/12/10/student-of-the-spontaneous.   Funt, Allen, and Philip Reed. Candidly, Allen Funt: A Million Smiles Later. Barricade Books, 1994.   Miller, Robert Nagler. "Q&A: The keeper of 'Candid Camera's' zany TV legacy." The Jewish News of Northern California, 12 July 2018, https://jweekly.com/2018/07/12/qa-the-keeper-of-candid-cameras-zany-tv-legacy/. Accessed 6 February 2025.   Nussbaum, Emily. Cue the Sun! The Invention of Reality TV. Random House Publishing Group, 2024.   Perry, Gina. "Stanley Milgram and Candid Camera." Gina Perry, 10 April 2012, https://www.gina-perry.com/2012/04/10/candid-camera/. Accessed 6 February 2025.   Saxon, Wolfgang. "Allen Funt, Creator of 'Candid Camera,' Is Dead at 84." The New York Times, 7 September 1999, https://www.nytimes.com/1999/09/07/arts/allen-funt-creator-of-candid-camera-is-dead-at-84.html. Accessed 25 January 2025.   Stewart, Travis. "How "Candid Camera" May Have Destroyed America." Travelanche, 16 September 2020, https://travsd.wordpress.com/2020/09/16/how-candid-camera-may-have-destroyed-america/.
Well Dash Hounds, if you are still out there listening and tuning in, we are thankful. Listening is an act of love. Love brings joy, and joy is a form of resistance. So sit back this week and learn how Kelly and Beth are getting through the hard times naturally. Of course with everything that seems good, be cautious. Nature is such a healer until it isn't. And it's just you and your houseplant whose picking up on your negative vibes and blaming you for everything. Confused? So are we. Theme music: Big White Lie by A Cast of Thousands. Cite your sources, dude Eells, Josh. "He Talked to Plants and They Talked Back." New York Times, 21 December 2017, https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/news/the-lives-they-lived/2013/12/21/cleve-backster/. First, Elsa. "The Secret Life of Plants." New York Times, 30 December 1973, https://www.nytimes.com/1973/12/30/archives/the-secret-life-of-plants-by-peter-tompkins-and-christopher-bird.html. Fitzgerald, Sunny. "The Secret to Mindful TRavel: A Walk in the Woods." National Geographic, vol. October, 2019, https://www.nationalgeographic.com/travel/article/forest-bathing-nature-walk-health. McEvoy, Patrick. "Courage, Memory and Voice: A Review of Monica Gagliano's Thus Spoke the Plant." Ecological Citizen, https://www.ecologicalcitizen.net/pdfs/v04n1-13.pdf. Schreiber, Dan. The Theory of Everything Else: A Voyage Into the World of the Weird. HarperCollinsPublishers, 2023. Stempel, Jonathan, and Husch Blackwell. "Apple to pay $95 million to settle Siri privacy lawsuit." Reuters, 2 January 2025, https://www.reuters.com/legal/apple-pay-95-million-settle-siri-privacy-lawsuit-2025-01-02/. Accessed 20 January 2025.
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Denise Nichols

Hey Ladies !!! I missed you so much! I was ill for quite awhile and was not able to listen to your podcast . The first thing I wanted to hear was you tw crazy girls laughing talking about life as women that still had so much humor. My hugs to you hope you get this.

Jan 5th
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Denise Nichols

Love you girls from Ep 1. I knownI have not been kind about Kelly and I'm sorry about that.I went off for long time bc Kelly's running off topic made me crazy! Beth did such an awesome job researching and Kelly only intèrupted.I know Kelly has such a sweet heart and kind as does Beth. I was gone for months ,came back.. still same. Kelly.. pitch in !!

Nov 12th
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Denise Nichols

I still love this song ! I've been gone for a long time. I was ill. It drug me down terribly. I listened from ep. 2. Have to be honest ladies. Kelly made me crazy ,interrupting constantly. Beth did such a wonderful job researching,doing the deep dive,bringing so much to podcast while Kelly seemed to sit back going off topic,asking questions that had nothing to do with with topic. I wondered why Kelly didn't talk to Beth b4 podcast so she could get the personal questions taken care of b4 podcast

Nov 12th
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Denise Nichols

this podcast was a trip !! I started from day one. granted I was used to the more professional show where everything was set up with a flow. with these two ladies it was willy nilly. lol. when Beth, was doing dialog. you could feel Kelly squirming in her chair to be heard.shes so funny.. she's gonna burst if she can't put her piece in.Whats a trip is that Beth does 95% of research..reading..scripth work up. I know Beth has to be wore out. come on Kelljy.. you're so funny ..we love ya p

Jun 2nd
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Denise Nichols

omggg! I had heard there was ppl that said they were at the towers when it happened,that were not,but this is devastating to hear bc it's so descriptive! Why on earth would someone be so desperate for attention to do that? Gives me chills. Thank you girls for your crazy ,fun ,wonderful 👍 podcast ! Never let grumpy reviews get you down ,I'm a convert and adore you now !!!

Jan 15th
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Denise Nichols

I hope these men burn in hell for ruining these girls and boys lives . I can't imagine what damage those men did to these children's view of the world. I would love for Jeffries to be put in Gen Pop. Woooeee,what the men would do to this pedophile. Being molested and abused as a child shows up later in anger and aggression.

Jan 8th
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Denise Nichols

Does anyone else find it hysterical when it's Kelly's turn to do the broadcast ,she gets so frustrated when Beth add's her comments or asks questions during Kelly's reading her notes?? On one podcast,I timed how often Kelly interrupts or goes off topic. I think she was bored bc she could only go 45 seconds without going off topic. Kelly is a trip! I love these ladies!!!

Jan 7th
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Denise Nichols

Sex with birds!!!??? I thot I'd heard all the atrocious things a human can do to defenseless animals.This takes the cake. I think there's something wrong with men and sex.Do they think everything on earth is here to stick their penis into just to satisfy their urge? I realize that there are women that do crazy things concerning sex but the statistics show that women are far less likely to kidnap someone,chain them to a bed to rape,beat,torture kill then kidnap another,or rape babies,small children or even torture and kill animals.

Nov 9th
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Denise Nichols

Kelly cannot focas longer than 62 seconds.

Nov 8th
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Denise Nichols

The Hills saw something,they experienced something that changed their life.

Nov 6th
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Denise Nichols

Sandwiches with sprouts !! omg it's been too long since Ive had one😱. That's one of the I things I miss about living so far from the city. I can't get anything delivered and I have to drive 20 miles to get a variety of restaurants" which are McD's,, Taco bell,& KFC. 🙄 The closest Whole Food or famers market is 75 miles. BUT.... no crime,home is paid for, life is sooo much cheaper,taxes are low,we all wave at each other. I can live with it.❤️🌍

Nov 6th
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Denise Nichols

are you telling me that Kelly has the script yet still interrupts Beth every 6 sec.'s with questions that literally are answered within the next paragraph but still runs off on tangents about things that have nothing to do with the subject for 10 mins. lmao nice recovery on the cat distraction! Is there going to be any shows in the future where the subject will stick with Beth's scripts? How bout Kelly doing the script and Beth interrupting with a different tangent every 6 sec?? I would absolutely love to hear that!!!!

Oct 31st
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Denise Nichols

Twitting about my twat ! Go Kelly !!! It's so funny going back over all the old episodes after listening to all of them up to mid Oct 2021.

Oct 24th
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Denise Nichols

Sneeze guards llmao and chickpeas !!!

Oct 23rd
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Denise Nichols

I love these women but sometimes by the time it's over ,Kelly has interrupted so many times with off the wall things, I've forgotten what the story was about.

Oct 23rd
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Denise Nichols

I've listened to all the episodes so I'm going thru them again. These women were so ahead of their time.!! I think these women just got tired of giving their bodies to husbands that used them like farm animals ,only to have the husbands have sex with other women. can't blame them there!

Oct 17th
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Denise Nichols

The women of this era that refused to bend to the rules and regulations that men laid out for them were fierce warriors that refused to be beat down passed those genes down.If not for them we would still have the foot of men on our throats.

Oct 12th
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Denise Nichols

"Never trust a big butt and a smile" 🤣 Great story ladies!!!!

Apr 7th
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Denise Nichols

I just read the details of this episodes. Good grief,.. organized religion leaves me grinding my teeth.hypocricy,side eyes,crazy rules,selected meaness, a book written by only men and then more men selecting what goes in,what doesn't. Sketchy at best.

Mar 22nd
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Denise Nichols

Oooeee! This was favorite one of mine too!Ofc I had to have some therapy as a 14 yr old tho.😃 Even as a teen I wanted to know why Lizzie.gave her Father her high school ring. Great story and well done girls! #Fierce

Mar 21st
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