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Featuring casual conversations that unpack complex topics, Ruth Feriningrum and Alexandra Kumala talk to fellow Southeast Asians about Southeast Asia. Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/sugar-nutmeg/support
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Nurdiyansah tells us about his trips across Indonesia to explore how spices from the region hold a multitude of stories that transcend the epochal eras: Dutch colonization, Japanese occupation, the national revolution era, New Order era, Reformasi, and the new digital age. The aroma and flavor of traditional dishes and culinary delights offered him personal and political reflections on the hybridity of identity and the convoluted meaning of "home." What does it really mean to be "Indonesian"? What are all the influences that shaped "Indonesian" cuisine? Is there really a pure "Indonesian" dish? How was pempek related to a nationwide massacre? Plus, a peek into "problems" in Alexandra's life, digital nomads, traditional textiles, and queer culture in Indonesia. Nurdiyansah Dalidjo is an interdisciplinary writer, researcher, and activist who seeks to memorialize the role of spices as the ingredients that fueled the revolution in Indonesia. He started his career as a journalist at Yayasan Jurnal Perempuan and has a master’s degree in tourism through Program Beasiswa Unggulan, a scholarship program from the Indonesian Ministry of Education and Culture. Since graduating, he has gained over 10 years of experience in Development issues with a focus on ethical and sustainable tourism, indigenous issues, and social justice. Nurdiyansah is the founder of the tourism portal JejakWisata.com and co-initiator of the Kain Kita project, a collective independent movement that shares cultural information and stories of traditional fabrics and indigenous textiles known as kain in Indonesia. Previously, he was the research and publications manager at Perkumpulan SKALA, a non-profit organisation with a journalist membership base and a focus on environmental sustainability. He led SKALA’s research teams in investigating reports on Indonesia’s forest fires and haze disasters in 2015; on local wisdom held by indigenous peoples and related to disaster risk reduction in Indonesia; and about wildlife trafficking in Indonesia. His writings have been published on The Jakarta Post, Overland, mata jendala, Magdalene.co, Jurnal Perempuan, Tourism Watch Indonesia, Jurnal Wastra, Maximillian, Women’s Media Center (WMC) FBOMB , and many others. In 2015, Nurdiyansah released his first travel writing book, Porn(O) Tour (Metagraf, 2015) in which he campaigns for the ethical and responsible tourism issues in a popular way. He is currently based in Jakarta and spends his time exploring colonial histories through food and textile in Indonesia. www.penjelajahrempah.com www.nurdiyansahdalidjo.medium.com IG: @penjelajah_rempah www.twitter.com/nurdiyansah --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/sugar-nutmeg/support
Brazilian-Indonesian artist Daniel Lie talks to us about the commonalities and distinctiveness between Brazil and Indonesia, two countries that share latitude lines, equatorial climate, lush rainforests enduring rampant deforestation, emerging market economies, class systems, and a long history of US-backed authoritarian regimes. We discuss the ideas explored in Daniel's trilingual project Toko Buku Liong, titled after their grandparent's successful comic book store in Semarang: coloniality of power, retracing migration routes, reconnecting with ancient roots, acquiring and embodying new languages, the myth of origin, and the perception of time.  They share their family story, their migration journey, and the sociopolitical forces behind their grandparents' migration from Semarang to Sao Paulo even though the comic book they created, called Wiro Anak Rimba, was a major canon in the Indonesian cultural movement during nationalization time. This might sound like a long podcast but it's all juicy! And we hope you have some good food to accompany you while you listen to this... Daniel Lie is a Brazilian-Indonesian trans artist born in São Paulo. Using "time" as a starting point for their art practice, Daniel's research looks into breaking the binary and questioning the tension between science and religion, ancestry and present, life and death. Through installations and hybrid languages, their work explores the concept of time, ephemerality and presence by using organic elements that change throughout their lifespan, such as decaying matter, growing plants, fungi, minerals, and the body. They have exhibited work in Brazil and abroad in England, Hungary, Indonesia, Austria, Germany and Chile, including at the esteemed Casa Triângulo and the Jupiter Artland. Their work have been featured in Frieze Magazine, The Guardian and Wallpaper. www.tokobukuliong.com www.liedaniel.com.br www.rotten.tv --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/sugar-nutmeg/support
Ragil Huda talks to us about his unconventional journey: growing up in a small village in South Sumatra, working with the transgender community in Yogyakarta, attending Islamic boarding schools in both Java and Sumatra, finding the right support system in Penang, his current work as an academic-activist, methods of knowledge production, community building, grassroots organizing, and how he stays motivated amid everything he does. Plus, Raminten, CIA exploits, and the burden of social media influencers. You'll want some thick, teeming, hot sop kambing while you listen to this. Ragil Huda is the Co-Founder of QTIBIPOC Hamburg, Program Curator & Community Organizer for 'Queer' Asia in Berlin, and a member of Soydivision, for which he is co-curating the upcoming KAUM Festival. He is also currently finishing his graduate studies at the Asien-Afrika Institut, Universität Hamburg. His community building and grassroots organizing centers on queerness, intersectionality, and the social-political realities of marginalized people through various methodologies and creative activism. Website: www.linktr.ee/PetiteFaggot --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/sugar-nutmeg/support
*Note: At 24:00, what Sarnt meant here is a contemporary ethnic segregation amongst Southeast Asians in middle-class milieus, which happens less in the Berlin environment, in comparison to Bangkok. Historically, however, in West/East Germany there had been huge racial segregation imposed by both states, for example, between migrant "contract" workers who weren't allowed to live or interact with regular citizens through out the 1970/80s — another complex topic of another in-depth conversation. Sarnt Utamachote talks to us about postcoloniality, migrant movements and migrant spaces, internationalism, forms of survival for artists and queer and queer artists, the Diaspora ↔ War ↔ Tourism Complex, and how access to language affects access to archival research. Plus some K-pop, Sundance, Bangkok art scene, and the Berlin club scene.   Sarnt Utamachote is a queer filmmaker, photographer and curator. He is interested in deconstructing the “surfaces”, what rendered the “humans” behind invisible, by highlighting/curating the fragments; the humane subtleties often overlooked in everyday life - possible sources of social dignity and subject positions. He studied Industrial Design at Chulalongkorn University, and Cinema Studies and Literature Studies at the Freie Universität of Berlin. He co-founded collective un.thai.tled (of Thai-German diasporic critical creatives), through which he curates critical cultural exhibitions. His last project was the exhibition “Beyond the Kitchen: Stories of Thai Park”, where he curated and researched the archive of Thai migration in Berlin with Bezirksmuseum Charlottenburg-Wilmersdorf. The collective also holds film screenings, including the annual un.thai.tled Film Festival Berlin. He researches and collects the archive of Thai migrations and movements in Berlin/Germany, in an attempt to redefine how migrant spaces and micro-histories are relevant to the postcolonial urban discourses. He was one of the selected participants of the Young Curators Workshop for 11th Berlin Biennale for Contemporary Art 2020, organized by Pip Day. As a film producer/director/ editor, Sarnt utilizes cinema as a means for social engagement and an exercise of creative freedom beyond social conditional realities. His video installation “I Am Not Your Mother” was commissioned and exhibited at International Rotterdam Film Festival 2020 and nominated for “R.D. Pestonji Award” for best Thai short film at Thai Short Film and Video Festival Bangkok 2020. He is the 2020 recipient of Xposed Short Film Fund, granted by Xposed Queer Film Festival Berlin. His music video for Coco Elane's 'Deep Talk' was nominated for a Bucharest Film Award. www.sarntutamachote.com --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/sugar-nutmeg/support
Born in Denpasar, Cynthia Dewi Oka grew up as an ethnic minority and religious minority in Bali and Java. These experiences pushed her family to migrate to Vancouver, Canada, where Cynthia faced a whole other beast of diasporic experiences. Now a poet with three Pushcart Prize nominations, she lives in Philadelphia, where she partnered with Asian Arts Initiative to offer Sanctuary: A Migrant Poetry Workshop for Philly-based immigrant poets. Cynthia shares with us her journey across many borders, working as an organizer, a poet, a teacher, and a mother. We talk about martabak, motherhood, medok accents, imagination, imperialism, and immigration.  Cynthia Dewi Oka is a two-time Pushcart Prize nominee and author Salvage and Nomad of Salt and Hard Water. She is also a recipient of the Leeway Foundation’s Transformation Award; the Tupelo Quarterly Poetry Prize; the Fifth Wednesday Journal Editor’s Prize in Poetry; the Amy Clampitt Residency (2021-2022); and scholarships from Voices of Our Nations (VONA) and Vermont Studio Center. She has performed her poetry in various venues across the US and internationally, including at The New School, The Nuyorican, Poet’s House, the Langston Hughes House, Nick Virgilio Writer’s House, Noyes Art Garage, Woman Made Gallery, the Institute of Contemporary Art Philadelphia, the Philly Pigeon, the Leonard Pearlstein Gallery, Busboys and Poets, Writers Resist Philadelphia, The Laura Flanders Show, Split This Rock Poetry Festival, Hobart Festival of Women Writers, Festival Internacional de Poesia de la Habana, and the Ubud Writers and Readers Festival. She is a contributor to ESPN’s The Undefeated the anthologies Soul Sister Revue: A Poetry Compilation (Jamii Publishing, 2019) as well as other anthologies. Cynthia has been a poetry mentor for The Speakeasy Project, taught Foundations of Poetry for the Blue Stoop, and served as a guest poet in universities across the United States. In 2018, she visited Widener University as a featured poet in the English and Creative Writing Departments’ Distinguished Writers Series. As a Dodge Poet, she has visited and worked with young poets in high schools through mini-festivals across New Jersey. She has also facilitated poetry workshops for organizations and initiatives such as Community Building Art Works, FreeWrite Prison Writing Group, Women Writers in Bloom, Women’s Mobile Museum, and Training for Change. www.cynthiadewioka.com --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/sugar-nutmeg/support
In the most dangerous part of the world for activists, Mitzi Jonelle Tan continues to mobilize and organize movements for climate justice. She chairs the Youth Advocates for Climate Action Philippines (YACAP) and works with indigenous leaders in most affected areas. Mitzi talks to us about Duterte's infamous anti-terror bill and war of drugs, the right to freedom of speech and the human rights crisis in the Philippines, the dependency of the country's economy on tourism and export of their natural resources, the interconnectedness of public policy, economics, education and climate change, as well as the feasibility of a sustainable lifestyle in the Philippines. YACAP.org Twitter: @mitzijonelle IG: @mitzijonelle --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/sugar-nutmeg/support
In his first interview with a Southeast Asian podcast since the launch of his book, Vincent Bevins answers questions about the topics in "The Jakarta Method," which he wrote after extensive research and interviews with survivors throughout Latin America, Southeast Asia, and the U.S. We talk about everything from specific tactics & operations in Indonesia, Vietnam, Cambodia, Brazil, and Chile, to why narratives around these events have been so skewed, to the shrinking internationalist exchange between post-colonial countries, to developing a palate for real spicy food. The Jakarta Method The hidden story of the wanton slaughter — in Indonesia, Latin America, and around the world — backed by the United States. In 1965, the U.S. government helped the Indonesian military kill approximately one million innocent civilians. This was one of the most important turning points of the twentieth century, eliminating the largest communist party outside China and the Soviet Union and inspiring copycat terror programs in faraway countries like Brazil and Chile. But these events remain widely overlooked, precisely because the CIA’s secret interventions were so successful. In this bold and comprehensive new history, Vincent Bevins builds on his incisive reporting for the Washington Post, using recently declassified documents, archival research and eye-witness testimony collected across twelve countries to reveal a shocking legacy that spans the globe. For decades, it’s been believed that parts of the developing world passed peacefully into the U.S.-led capitalist system. The Jakarta Method demonstrates that the brutal extermination of unarmed leftists was a fundamental part of Washington’s final triumph in the Cold War. Vincent Bevins is a journalist and the author of The Jakarta Method: Washington's Anticommunist Crusade and the Mass Murder That Shaped Our World (Hachette). Previously, he covered the UK for the Financial Times, Brazil for The Los Angeles Times, and Southeast Asia for The Washington Post. His articles can be found on his website. @Vinncent www.vincentbevins.com www.bookshop.org/shop/vincent-bevins --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/sugar-nutmeg/support
A travelogue exploring the dynamics of ethnic and religious tension throughout the many islands in the Indonesian archipelago, "Race, Islam and Power: Ethnic and Religious Violence in Post-Suharto Indonesia" is a book by Andreas Harsono that summarizes the reality of Indonesia. He talks to us about why this country is so complex to comprehend and so obscure to the rest of the world, despite being the 4th most populous country and one of the top economies in the world. Andreas Harsono is an international human rights activist, journalist, and book author. He has covered Indonesia for Human Rights Watch since 2008. Before joining Human Rights Watch, he helped found the Jakarta-based Institute for the Studies on Free Flow of Information in 1995, and in 2003 he helped create the Pantau Foundation, a journalist training organization also based in Jakarta. A staunch backer of the free press, Harsono also helped establish Jakarta’s Alliance of Independent Journalists in 1994 and Bangkok’s South East Asia Press Alliance in 1998. In 1999-2000, he was recipient of the Nieman Fellowship at Harvard University. He is a member of the International Consortium for Investigative Journalists (Washington, DC). ​ Harsono began his career as a reporter for the Bangkok-based Nation and the Kuala Lumpur-based Star newspapers. In Indonesian, his published books in Indonesian include Jurnalisme Sastrawi: Antologi Liputan Mendalam dan Memikat (with Budi Setiyono) and “Agama” Saya Adalah Jurnalisme. In English, his newest book Race, Islam and Power: Ethnic and Religious Violence in Post-Suharto Indonesia is available for purchase. ​ www.andreasharsono.net @andreasharsono --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/sugar-nutmeg/support
Most people from Nusantara know the competition between Indonesia and Malaysia, but how many know how this competition even came to be? Maryam Lee breaks it down for us in this episode! With her wisdom, she unpacks the complexities of ethnicity and religion in Malaysian national identity, how political structures today are inherited from colonial ways, and the many layers of liberalism. Plus, we talk ghost stories, folk tales, and spiritual healing. Maryam Lee is a program manager at various non-profit organisations. She looks at political and economic policies that affect people’s lives, from a historical and cultural standpoint, particuparly providing a decolonial approach to any subject matter. Currently, she is developing conversations around technology and society. She is the author of “Unveiling Choice” (2019), a multi-disciplinary scholar, community organiser, and all-around curious being. She can be contacted at hello@maryamlee.com. --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/sugar-nutmeg/support
Abdul Samad Haidari is a Hazara-Afghan journalist turned refugee poet, currently in Indonesia waiting for resettlement. Besides volunteering as a humanitarian-aid worker and teacher, Abdul is the author of the poetry collection “The Red Ribbon,” which is the 3rd best-selling book in Indonesia. Abdul talks to us about his background, his family, his book, his activities with the refugee community as well as the literary circles in Indonesia, coping with trauma, religion and censorship in Indonesia versus Afghanistan, and his views on life in Indonesia as a refugee. ​ Abdul fled his home country at the age of seven and grew up wandering in Pakistan and Iran as a child refugee, and was separated from his family for the majority of his childhood. For two years, at the age of eight and nine, he was forced into child labour in the construction industry in Iran. In contrast, Pakistan offered refugees like him the opportunity to study and work. This education and work experience culminated in Abdul teaching computer studies and English language courses at the Intel Computer Center and Pak Oxford Professionals. After the collapse of the Taliban government, Abdul returned to Afghanistan thinking that the security situation had improved, and that he could take part in the reconstruction of his war-torn country. With this in mind, Abdul served as a freelance journalist and humanitarian aid-worker in areas of the country that remained dangerous to civilians because of the influence of terrorist groups. Abdul served with the Norwegian refugee council (NRC), ActionAid Afghanistan, Daily Outlook Afghanistan group of newspapers, and The Daily Afghanistan Express. As a freelance journalist, Abdul wrote articles and editorials about on-the-ground realities, which were then circulated widely. These had a particular focus on women and children’s rights, corruption, transparency and accountability in government, warlords and terrorist groups’ actions and the systematic persecution of minority groups in both Afghanistan and Pakistan. Abdul was invited to Ubud Writers & Readers Festival in 2019. He attended several literary festivals in Jakarta and spoke in various human rights panel discussions with the UNHCR, IOM, and in other refugee-focused discussion groups. He is currently working on his PTSD book and has a few books of poetry, ready for editing to be published. ​ Abdul can be reached at: abdulsamad.haidari96@gmail.com --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/sugar-nutmeg/support
In this special bilingual episode, Ruth Ogetay gets candid about the history of West Papua, the current plight of Papuans and other ethnic minorities in Indonesia, multilateral relations with other countries, as well as how and why a series of events involving transnational corporate deals led to the current situation concerning West Papua. Originally from Paniai, Ruth Ogetay attended university in Yogyakarta, then moved to the capital city to work as a nurse in a major Jakarta hospital, and is currently at Pantau Foundation, focusing specifically on political prisoners. --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/sugar-nutmeg/support
Eugenio "Ego" Lemos talks to us about permaculture practices, legacies of occupation, reconciliation and resilience, the dilemma of post-conflict countries, common problems with aid and charity, Indonesian influence versus Australian presence in Timor, East Timor then versus West Papua now, ricenization as a form of cultural destruction, and how sociopolitical events at large affect personal lives on the micro scale through food during the Portuguese colonization, Indonesian occupation and in present day. ​ ​ Ego Lemos is the founder of the Sustainable Agriculture Network and Organic Agriculture Movement in Timor-Leste. He is also the Founder of Permaculture Timor-Leste (Permatil), as well as the founder-counselor of the PermaScout and Perma-Youth movements. He currently serves as the Executive Director of Permatil. Previously, he was the National Adviser for the Ministry of Education of Timor-Leste.  He is also a lecturer in Sustainable Agriculture and Public Arts & Culture at the University of Timor-Leste.  In 2019, Ego was selected by Earth Company as 1 of 5 Impact Hero finalists. As a singer-songwriter, Ego sings and writes original music in his native tongue, Tetun. His song "Balibo" (featured in the 2009 film Balibo) was awarded Best Original Song at the 2009 Screen Music Awards and the 2009 APRA Award for best song in a film. Ego also co-authored ‘Permaculture Gardens for Kids’, as well as both editions of the Tropical Permaculture Guidebook.  He is sole author of the ‘Training Manual for Agro-biodiversity in Timor-Leste (GIZ-AMBERO) and the Arts and Culture section of the National Curriculum for Basic Education Grad 1 – 6 (Ministry of Education). ​ Ego Lemos on Spotify www.permatilglobal.org --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/sugar-nutmeg/support
Silong Chuun talks to us about how distance brings clarity and awareness, reclaiming narratives through his clothing brand "Red Scarf Revolution", creative ways to spark conversations and recontextualize history, parallels between the communist regime in Cambodia then and the capitalist administration in the US today, memoranda of understanding for Cambodian, Lao, and Vietnamese refugees, colonialism, imperialism, displacement, community, and how Southeast Asian immigrants struggle, hustle, shine, and thrive. Silong Chhun was born in Cambodia at the end of the Khmer Rouge regime in 1979. He and his family arrived to the U.S. as refugees under the 1980 Refugee Resettlement Act. He discovered his love for music as a kid and set a path to pursue a career in the music industry which lead him to where he today as an "artist". Disciplined in multimedia, he has worked on various projects ranging from graphic design, photography, music production, and videography.  In 2013, Silong launched Red Scarf Revolution. With its mission to be more than just another clothing label, Red Scarf Revolution gives voice to the once silenced art, culture, and language. Its most important purpose is memorializing the darkest tragedy in the history of Cambodia with designs that represent the resiliency of the Cambodian people.  In 2017, he curated and debut his first-ever exhibit called "Scars and Stripes" which centered on refugee trauma, diaspora, U.S. resettlement, and deportations during the post-Khmer Rouge era. The exhibition achieved critical acclaim from the City of Tacoma. With the momentum of "Scars and Stripes," Tacoma officially proclaimed April 17th, 2017 as Cambodian Genocide Memorial Day. As one of the organizers, Silong able to collaborate with national organizations such as the National Cambodian Heritage Museum (NCHM) for the 1st National Day of Remembrance on April 17th, 2017, which marked the anniversary of the Khmer Rouge takeover of Cambodia.  Today, he regularly advocate with the Cambodian community members who are targeted by I.C.E. with orders of removal. The Khmer Anti-Deportation Advocacy Group of Washington (KhAAG (cage) for short) assists, supports and guides affected community members with their family on strategies on how to navigate the complicated state and federal immigration system: Cambodian Refugees Face Increase Deportations. Silong is currently the Digital Communications Manager at Pacific Lutheran University, former Communications Associate at Tacoma Community House,  and serve as the Board Secretary on the Metro Marks Arts & Heritage Advisory Council. www.silongchhun.com // @thefakesilong --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/sugar-nutmeg/support
Burmese photographer Yu Yu Myint Than talks to us about education before the Saffron Revolution, Burmanization, the conflict in Shan state, dynamics between ethnic minorities, between the camera and the captured, how artists in Myanmar deal with censorship, the ethical dilemmas she faced as a documentary photographer, transnational collaborations, and how the personal is political.  Yu Yu Myint Than is Myanmar photographer based in Yangon. Previously a staff photographer at The Myanmar Times, she now focuses on personal photo documentaries. Yu Yu manages Myanmar Deitta, a non-profit organisation which develops resources for photographers and filmmakers in Myanmar, and is one of the founding members of Thuma women’s photography collective. A 2017 Magnum Fellow, Yu Yu has also won several international scholarships and exhibited her work across the globe. She is a published photographer and is keenly interested in photobook-making as another layer of story-telling besides taking photographs. She has been working on personal stories looking at memories as well as human-rights related issues. ယုယုမြင့်သန်းသည် ရန်ကုန်အခြေစိုက် မြန်မာဓါတ်ပုံဆရာမတစ်ဦးဖြစ်သည်။မြန်မာ တိုင်းမ်စ်သတင်းစာတိုုက်တွင် ဓါတ်ပုံဆရာအဖြစ် လုပ်ကိုင်ခဲ့ပြီးယခုုအခါတွင် သူမ ကိုယ်ပိုင်ပုဂ္ဂလိကဆိုင်ရာ မှတ်တမ်းဓါတ်ပုံစီးရီးများကို အာရုံစိုက်ရိုက်ကူးနေ ပြီးတစ်ဘက်တလမ်းမှလည်း အကျိုးအမြတ်မယူအဖွဲ့အစည်းတစ်ခု ဖြစ်သည့် မြန်မာဒိဌတွင် လုပ်ကိုင်လျက်ရှိပါသည်။ ထို့အပြင်သူမသည် မြန်မာအမျိုးသမီး ဓါတ်ပုုံဆရာများစုပေါင်းဖွဲ့စည်းထားသော သူမအဖွဲ့၏ထူထောင်သူများမှတစ်ဦး ဖြစ်သည်။ ယုယုသည် ဓါတ်ပုံပညာရပ်ဆိုင်ရပ် နိုင်ငံတကာပညာသင်ဆုများရရှိခဲ့ပီး ၂၀၁၇ ခုနှစ်တွင် Magnum Foundation မှစီစဉ်သည့် Photography and Scial Justice Programme ၏ Fellow အဖြစ် ရွေးချယ်တက်ရောက်ခွင့် ရခဲ့သည်။သူမလက်ရာများကိုနိုင်ငံတကာနှင့် မြန်မာနိုင်ငံတွင် ပြသခဲ့ပြီး နိုုင်ငံတကာအထင်ကရ ဓါတ်ပုံပွဲတော်များနှင့် နိုုင်ငံတကာ Photo Magazine များတွင် ရွေးချယ် ပြသခံရသည်။ယုုယုုသည်ဓါတ်ပုုံ ရိုုက်ကူးခြင်းအပြင် ဓါတ်ပုုံစာအုုပ်ဖန်တီးခြင်းကိုုလည်း အနုုပညာတစ်ခုအဖြစ် ကျင့်သုုံးလျက်ရှိသည်။ယုယုသည်အမှတ်တရများနှင့် ဆက်ဆိုင််သည့် ကိုယ်ပိုင်ဓါတ်ပုံဇာတ်လမ်းများ နှင့် လူ့အခွင့်အရေးဆိုင်ရာ မှတ်တမ်းဓါတ်ပုံဇာတ်လမ်းများကို ရိုက်ကူးလျက်ရှိသည်။ @yuyumt_burma Thuma Collective --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/sugar-nutmeg/support
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