Switched on Pop

The conversation around the new music this summer has been a dour one. Some of the biggest songs in the country right now are downtempo stomp-clap anthems and wistful Cranberries pastiche. Even on this very show, Nate and Charlie have asked: where's the fun? As it turns out, the party (as always) is happening in hip-hop, led by a formidable influence: Pharrell.. On this episode of Switched On Pop, producer Reanna and engineer Brandon join Charlie for a tour through rap music's latest sweaty offerings, including the new album by Tyler, the Creator, Clipse's return to music, and catchphrase worthy singles by Cardi B, PLUTO, and Drake. Songs discussed: Tyler, The Creator, Pharrell Williams – Big Poe Nelly – Hot in Herre Noreaga – Superthug Kelis – Milkshake Tyler, The Creator, Cole Alexander – Deathcamp N.E.R.D. – Rockstar Tyler, The Creator – Ring Ring Ring Tyler, The Creator, Frank Ocean, Steve Lacy – 911 / Mr. Lonely Tyler, The Creator – I THINK Mr. Fingers – Mystery of Love Michael Jackson – Off the Wall N.E.R.D., Nelly Furtado – Hot-n-Fun N.E.R.D. – Things Are Getting Better Pharrell, Nelly – Baby Clipse – So Be It Clipse – Virginia Clipse – Intro Talal Madah – Maza Akoulou Beastie Boys – Paul Revere Clipse – Ace Trumpets Clipse, John Legend, Voices of Fire – The Birds Don't Sing Cardi B – Outside Cardi B – Bodak Yellow Cardi B, Bad Bunny, J Balvin – I Like It Cardi B, Megan Thee Stallion – WAP Cardi B – Up PLUTO, YK Niece – WHIM WHAMIEE OJ Da Juiceman, Gucci Mane – Make tha Trap Say Aye Roxanne Shante – Roxanne's Revenge Drake, Central Cee – Which One? Drake, Rihanna – Too Good Rihanna, Drake – Work Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Why do bad lyrics happen to good people? From "suckin' on a chili dog" to "making love to his tonic and gin," even the biggest hits from our favorite artists can feature lyrical turns that make us feel quizzical, offended, or even downright nauseated. With the help of Sam Sanders, brilliant host of The Sam Sanders Show, we plumb the depths of the worst pop lyrics of all time—culled from hundreds of submissions form Switched on Pop listeners—to try categorize, historicize, and, perhaps, celebrate the art of the lyrical faux pas. Follow Sam on Instagram  and check out The Sam Sanders Show for more hot takes on entertainment and culture. We recommend you start here. Songs Discussed Benson Boone - Mystical Magical Velvet Sundown - Rebel Shout Live - Lightning Crashes Captain and Tennille - Muskrat Love John Mellencamp - Jack and Diane Fergie - Big Girls Don't Cry, London Bridge Katy Perry - Firework Billy Joel - Piano Man Richard Harris - MacArthur Park Imagine Dragons - Sharks Des'ree - Life, You Gotta Be One Direction - Don't Forget Where You Belong, Little Things Taylor Swift - Willow, Anti Hero, I Hate it Here, ME! Train - Hey Soul Sister, Meet Virginia, Drops of Jupiter Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Every music critic seems to agree: 2025 has no true song of summer. Last August, Teddy Swims’s “Lose Control” dominated the charts. This year…Teddy Swims’s “Lose Control” dominates the charts. What’s going on? Why is there no new summer song to unite us in collective listening, and will there ever be again? Elamin Abdelmahmoud, host of the CBC’s daily culture podcast Commotion, joins Nate and Charlie to discuss the dearth of seasonal bops, and suggest some possible contenders for sleeper summer hits, from the soundtrack of the anime film KPop Demon Hunters to the latest from the Haim sisters. Despite the moribund status of the Hot 100, there is no shortage of great music to be found in the dog days of summer if you’re willing to listen closely. More Check out more music commentary from Elamin and Commotion, like their dive into Bruce Springsteen’s unreleased albums, or their dissection of Bieber’s latest with our very own Reanna Cruz. Songs Discussed HUNTR/X, EJAE, AUDREY NUNA - Golden  Tyler Childers - Eatin’ Big Time Haim - Relationships Ravyn Lenae - Love Me Not Amber Mark - Sweet Seratonin Sly and the Family Stone - Thank You (Falettin Me Be Mice Elf) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Justin Bieber is back with his seventh studio album: the aptly-titled SWAG. The lo-fi, reverb-laden record is a remarkably candid look inside the world of Bieber, using the palette of both underground pop and 90's R&B to accentuate lyrics about his wife, his struggles, and his "standing on business." Notably, it's his first album post-split with manager Scooter Braun, and the first where Bieber has been in full artistic control. On this episode of Switched On Pop, we tap into the SWAG mindset and attempt to understand Bieber's newfound vision, what it's saying, and ultimately, if it even still matters. Songs discussed: Justin Bieber – DAISIES Justin Bieber, Daniel Caesar, Giveon – Peaches Justin Bieber, Sexyy Red – SWEET SPOT The Kid LAROI, Justin Bieber – STAY Justin Bieber, Druski – STANDING ON BUSINESS Justin Bieber – ALL I CAN TAKE Peter Gabriel – In Your Eyes Justin Bieber – GO BABY Justin Bieber – TOO LONG Justin Bieber, Gunna – WAY IT IS Justin Bieber, Dominic Fike – Die For You Justin Bieber, Burna Boy – Loved By You Justin Bieber, Lil B – DADZ LOVE Mk.gee – Alesis Mk.gee – Are You Looking Up Dijon – The Dress Justin Bieber – WALKING AWAY Haim – Don't Wanna Justin Bieber, Dijon – DEVOTION Justin Bieber – One Less Lonely Girl Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

What if the entire sound of modern podcasting can be traced back to a single Grateful Dead song uploaded in 2001? We uncover the musical lineage that connects NPR's classical gravitas to dubstep wobbles, from the very first RSS feed experiment to the mysterious masked composer who's scored over 200 podcast themes and shaped what millions of people hear when they hit play. This deep dive reveals how podcast music evolved from classical public radio strings into today's signature blend of plinking pianos, breakbeats, and irreverent sampling—plus an exclusive interview with the enigmatic Breakmaster Cylinder, the "Hans Zimmer of podcasting" who's been hiding behind a robot helmet for over a decade. MORE Subscribe to our newsletter SONGS DISCUSSED Grateful Dead "Truckin'" Adam Curry "Daily Source Code" theme NPR "All Things Considered" theme Don Voegeli "All Things Considered" original theme (1971) Don Voegeli "All Things Considered" jazz funk version (1976) NPR "All Things Considered" orchestral version (1983/1995) The Daily theme WNYC "On the Media" theme by Ben Allison "Disposable Genius" Christopher Lydon "Radio Open Source" theme by Dafnis Prieto Disparition "The Ballad of Fiedler and Mundt," (Welcome to Night Vale theme) Serial theme Joe Rogan Experience theme Call Her Daddy theme Snap Judgment theme The Breakfast Club theme WTF with Marc Maron theme by John Montagna "Lock the Gate" Reply All theme by Breakmaster Cylinder Breakmaster Cylinder "Outside In" theme Breakmaster Cylinder "Bird Note" (Claire de Lune with loon calls) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

The robots have arrived, and they're making protest songs about boots on the ground. When an AI band called The Velvet Sundown fooled over a million Spotify listeners with their psychedelic folk anthems, it raised an unsettling question: have the machines gotten so good we can no longer hear the difference? Charlie puts Nate to the test with a game of "AI or Human?" featuring Wu-Tang deepfakes, phantom instruments, and songs that sound like Dire Straits and Tom Petty had a baby. Along the way, they uncover the five telltale signs that expose artificial music, from juvenile rhyming patterns to voices that shapeshift between tracks. But here's the terrifying part: just six months ago, AI music was unlistenable chaos. Now it's disturbingly competent. And it's only getting better. Songs Discussed The Velvet Sundown - "Dust on the Wind" Post Malone - "Chemical" Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young - "Ohio" The Velvet Sundown - "Freedom Song" Kansas - "Dust in the Wind" The Animals - "House of the Rising Sun" Creedence Clearwater Revival - "Have You Ever Seen the Rain?" The Velvet Sundown - "Where War Remains" Pink Floyd - "Wish You Were Here" The Velvet Sundown - "Ash and Velvet" Buffalo Springfield - "For What It's Worth" The Velvet Sundown - "For the Ones We Couldn't Keep" The Velvet Sundown - "Mirrors in the Smoke" Pink Floyd - "Breathe" The Velvet Sundown - "Rebel Shout" The Velvet Sundown - "Smoke in Silence" The Velvet Sundown - "Marching Shadows" The Velvet Sundown - "As the Silence Falls" The Velvet Sundown - "How Did This Go Wrong?" Hip Hop Intelligence - "Bar Fight" (AI Wu-Tang) Hip Hop Intelligence - "Party with Me" (AI Eminem) Temple of the Acid Fist Records - "Woman Gone Blues" (AI) "Echoes of Twilight" (AI student example) The Velvet Underground - "Sweet Jane" "Whispers of Chaos" (Charlie's AI generation) Mungo Jerry - "In the Summertime" Almost Vinyl - "Phil Wildo's Door to Door Dildos" (AI) Joey Two Legs - "I Shouldn't Have Done That" (hybrid) Bill Evans AI track (untitled, by Nobody in the Computer) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In which we explore the unlikely rise, and surprising backlash against, one Benson Boone. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Why does the economy look great on paper but feel terrible in your wallet? There might be a more revealing economic indicator hiding in your Spotify queue. "Recession Pop" first emerged during the Great Recession and exploded into playlists, radio formats, and DJ sets in 2024. From melancholy indie anthems to escapist dance tracks, the songs we gravitate toward during uncertain times might predict where the economy is headed next. Host Jonquilin Hill explores this musical phenomenon on Vox's "Explain it To Me," with Charlie joining in the second half to decode what our streaming habits reveal about financial anxiety and economic forecasting. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

As we've been examining over the course of Country Week, country music has found a larger audience, in part by widening its sonic palette. For the final episode of this series, we take a look at a genre on the outskirts of country – Americana music – and how it's being used to connect to the scene's musical roots.   Historically, Americana has embraced an acoustic sound, traditional repertoire, and an appetite for virtuosic technique. In bluegrass artists like Billy Strings and roots musicians like Sierra Ferrell, Nate and Charlie see if there's an antidote to be found for the issues that plague modern, mainstream country music. Songs discussed: The Punch Brothers – Rye Whiskey Sierra Ferrell – In Dreams Dolly Parton – Jolene Sierra Ferrell – I Could Drive You Crazy Sierra Ferrell, Zach Bryan – Holy Roller Billy Strings – Dust in a Baggie Billy Strings, Willie Nelson – California Sober Tyler Childers – In Your Love Tyler Childers – Phone Calls and Emails Tyler Childers – Rustin' In The Rain Don Gibson – Oh, Lonesome Me Waylon Jennings, Willie Nelson – Mamas, Don't Let Your Babies Grow Up To Be Cowboys The Chicks – Long Time Gone The Steeldrivers – Higher Than the Wall Beyoncé – Texas Hold'em I'm With Her – Espresso Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

More often than not, country music is seen as an "American" genre – meaning that the music is seen as strictly from the United States. In some ways, that's true; but the genre's iconography, sound, and ethos can actually be traced to the south of the border, in Mexican regional music. The worlds have been more intertwined than you would think, and in musica mexicana, we find the closest comparison to what we traditionally call "country music." In this episode of Switched On Pop, in honor of country week, we take a look at the cumbia-corrido hybrid "Me Jalo" from Fuerza Regida and Grupo Frontera, two U.S. based acts performing Mexican regional music, to see what ties the cultures together. Songs discussed: George Strait – El Rey Carín León – Necesito Encontrarte Fuerza Regida, Grupo Frontera – ME JALO Fuerza Regida – TQM Grupo Frontera, Bad Bunny – un x100to Fuerza Regida – SECRETO VICTORIA Grupo Frontera, Grupo Firme – EL AMOR DE SU VIDA Fuerza Regida, Grupo Frontera – Bebe Dame Shania Twain – Whose Bed Have Your Boots Been Under Hank Williams – Your Cheatin' Heart Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

There's often an unspoken (and deeply misogynistic) rule on country music radio: never play two female artists back to back. In this episode of Switched On Pop's country week, we aim to do just that. Looking at two artists on opposite ends of the country music spectrum – traditionalist Lainey Wilson, and genre-bending Jessie Murph – Nate and Charlie try to understand the state of female country through their respective songs "4x4xU" and "Blue Strips." Songs discussed: Lainey Wilson – 4x4xU Jessie Murph – Blue Strips Lainey Wilson – Country's Cool Again Lainey Wilson – Heart Like A Truck HARDY, Lainey Wilson – wait in the truck Jessie Murph – Gotta Hold Jessie Murph – Gucci Mane Jessie Murph, Sexyy Red – Blue Strips (Remix) Zach Top – I Never Lie Carrie Underwood – Before He Cheats Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

One of the biggest country hits of the year has been "All The Way," by Texas rapper BigXthaPlug and country rocker Bailey Zimmerman, which peaked at #4 on the Billboard Hot 100. The song is a perfectly mixed cocktail of trap sonics with country melodies, held together by a shared southern drawl between the two artists. As the genre of "country" expands and morphs to include different sounds, artists, and styles, "All The Way" serves as an exemplary example of the country-rap hybrid done right. But the song isn't the first to feature an unlikely collaboration across the genre aisle. This episode of Switched On Pop, we go deep on this collab and others, to see what works and what doesn't when the gates that keep the country music industry separate are swung wide open. Songs Discussed: BigXthaPlug, Bailey Zimmerman – All The Way BigXthaPlug – Texas War – Slipping Into Darkness BigXthaPlug – The Largest Bailey Zimmerman – Where It Ends Lil Nas X, Billy Ray Cyrus – Old Town Road Eminem, Rihanna – Love The Way You Lie Nelly – Country Grammar (Hot Shit) Nelly, Tim McGraw – Over And Over Florida Georgia Line, Nelly – Cruise - Remix Ernest, Snoop Dogg – Gettin' Gone Lil Durk, Morgan Wallen – Broadway Girls Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Country music stands at a crossroads between tradition and evolution, and no artist embodies this tension better than Morgan Wallen. His song "I'm the Problem" opens with beautiful bluegrass guitar before hitting you with hard-hitting 808 basslines, creating a sonic reflection of country's current identity crisis. Wallen has this uncanny ability to turn his endless personal problems into undeniably catchy hooks that somehow make him more relatable, not less. Despite having every reason to write him off, there's something about his gritty voice and imperfect persona that keeps drawing listeners back. What makes him so compelling, and why his 37-track album dominated the charts, reveals something deeper about what country music is becoming. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Looking for relationship advice? Skip the self-help books and turn to Sabrina Carpenter's latest single "Manchild" instead. This deep dive into the art of musical insults reveals how pop's newest sensation joins a legendary lineage of women artists who've perfected the craft of calling out incompetent men through song. From Dolly Parton's subversive "Dumb Blonde" to TLC's iconic "No Scrubs," there's an entire musical tradition of witty takedowns that reclaim power through clever wordplay, genre-hopping arrangements, and lyrical traps that expose male vanity. MORE Subscribe to our newsletter to receive your own bingo card! Songs discussed Sabrina Carpenter "Manchild" Sabrina Carpenter "Espresso" Olivia Rodrigo "Driver's License" The Beatles "Get Back" Heart "Barracuda" Dolly Parton "Dumb Blonde" Sabrina Carpenter "Please Please Please" TLC "No Scrubs" Destiny's Child "Bills, Bills, Bills" Destiny's Child "Independent Women Part 1" Shania Twain "That Don't Impress Me Much" Carly Simon "You're So Vain" Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

What if the Chairman of the Board's biggest contribution to music wasn't his voice, but the blueprint he created for modern pop stardom? Frank Sinatra didn't just sing songs: he invented the concept album, injected his full personality into every performance, and created a template for artistic control that today's biggest stars still follow. His influence runs deeper than you think: Amy Winehouse titled her debut Frank as tribute, Jay-Z calls himself "the new Sinatra," and Frank Ocean borrowed his name from both Sinatra and Ocean's Eleven. That influence extends to unexpected places too: Seth MacFarlane, the creator of Family Guy, has been championing Sinatra's orchestral style for years, and through his friendship with the Sinatra family gained access to over 1,200 boxes of never-recorded arrangements. His new album Lush Life: The Lost Sinatra Arrangements features songs that arranged for Sinatra but never performed, uncovering musical treasures that reveal new insights into how the Chairman of the Board's innovations still shape the sound of pop music today. More Subscribe to our newsletter to receive your own bingo card! Songs Discussed Frank Sinatra "Fly Me to the Moon" Frank Sinatra "All the Way" Frank Sinatra "In the Wee Small Hours of the Morning" Frank Sinatra "Something" (Beatles cover) Amy Winehouse "Halftime" Jay-Z "Empire State Mind" Frank Sinatra "Strangers in the Night" Frank Sinatra & Nancy Sinatra "Something Stupid" Frank Sinatra "New York, New York" Frank Sinatra "My Way" Sonny and Cher "I Got You Babe" Frank Sinatra "Laura" Seth MacFarlane "How Did She Look" Seth MacFarlane "Lush Life" Seth MacFarlane "Give Me the Simple Life" Seth MacFarlane "Shadows" Seth MacFarlane "Who's in Your Arms Tonight" Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices