TEN FOOT POLE

This podcast is for millennial skeptics, regular Sunday church goers, those who have given up on church, pastors, and explorers just wanting to learn a little more about the big book. Each week Rev. A.J. Houseman and guests will talk about Bible texts from the RCL and digging deeper into aspects of the week's texts that get glossed over or totally ignored in most preaching. The Bible has a lot of parts that are racy, uncomfortable, and sometimes downright horrifying. Let's talk about it.

Ep 4.1 Deboarh, Barak, and the Tent Stake with Rabbi Evan Ravski

Rabbi Evan and Pastor A.J. dive into the first part of our new study of God-ordained Violence.  We outline some background information for Judges, talk about the specific story that takes place under the leadership of the Judge Deborah, including a tent stake through the head.  The next 5 weeks will include uncomfortable conversations around violence that happens in the Bible, God’s role in this, and how do we respond.  This episode talks about Judges 4:12-24.  You can download the study guide materials at https://www.tenfootpolepodcast.com/judges  Discussion Questions: 1. Before we start, how do you perceive violence in the Bible? 2. How do you theologically understand “God-ordained” violence in the Bible? 3. How do you perceive Jael’s actions? Hospitality? Hospitality in times of war? 4. What is your theological understanding about the 5th commandment? In times of war? 5. Listening to Rabbi’s perspective on this violence, what differences do you notice in your own theology? 6. What does this tell us about God? Other notes: 1. Visual for Song of the Sea/Song of Deborah: https://www.museumofthebible.org/magazine/collections/yom-va-yosha-and-the-song-of-the-sea   2. ELCA Social Statement on Peace: https://download.elca.org/ELCA%20Resource%20Repository/PeaceSS.pdf?_ga=2.58500010.1204821829.1726546425-502595238.1726546425

10-08
01:25:00

Ep 3.30 God's Sharpie with Bishop Bill Gohl

We have reached the end of season 3 and with it, some tough questions.  The "circumcised" or "uncircumcised"? Who is in, who is out, and who is closer to God?  Spoiler alert, no one.  The author of Ephesians draws us in to ask some very important questions of our time and face head on what it means to put the hostility in our world to death on the cross. This is no small feat.. join with us in this hard conversation.  Pastors A.J. and Bishop Gohl discuss Ephesians 2:11-22 for Sunday, July 21, 2024. Discussion Questions: 1. What hostilities do we (you) need to put to death? 2. What do Paul's words say to us in our current reality? 3. How do we understand the grace that is given to both sides? 4. What is our role in the storm as followers of Jesus? 5. Where is the Good News? DISCLAIMER: This episode was recorded before the shooting at former President Trump's campaign rally. Though, I think it should be taken into consideration in light of these words from Ephesians.

07-16
46:46

Ep 3.29 Sacrificed on the Altar of Power with Pastor Andrew Rickel

Pastors A.J. and Andrew go on some long tangents but bring us home to some super powerful topics.  John the Baptist is beheaded on a sacrificial altar of power.  Many people in our world are sacrificed on similar altars. Who is sacrificed? What privileges do we have and how do we recognize them and understand them in our world? What does it mean to be a follower of Jesus in the world filled with altars of power?  We dive into Mark 6:14-29 for Sunday, July 14th, 2024.  Discussion Questions: 1. Who is being sacrificed in the story? 2. Who gets sacrificed in your community? 3. What is your privilege biography? 4. How does this affect how you see the world? 5. What is our call as followers of Christ? 6. What's the Good News?

07-09
01:08:37

Ep 3.28 Uh Rape is NOT Hospitable with Pastor Emily Tveite

Pastor Emily and Pastor A.J. veer away from the lectionary once again to talk about a bit of an uncomfortable topic: the destruction of Sodom.  Join in this conversation as we dispel the homophobia in this text and discuss the true issue at play here: hospitality.  What does it mean for us to be hospitable as children of God? Dive into our conversation about radical welcome in the name of Christ. Discussion Questions: 1. What does hospitality mean to you? 2. What does it mean that God values hospitality so highly? 3. What are grey area decisions that we have to make? 4. What does it mean to be hospitable in the church? 5. What covenant would you come up with as a community?

07-02
49:49

Ep. 3.27 Out and Proud with Pastor Kelsey Green

So grateful to welcome back Pastor Kelsey to bring home our Pride Month showcase episodes.  Pastor Kelsey came out as queer and then was led into ministry.  Pastor Kelsey shares that even in the midst of judgment and discrimination, Jesus loves you and makes space for you.  We briefly talk about Mark 5:21-43 for Sunday, June 30th, 2024.  Discussion Questions: 1. What parts of your identity were you scared others would not accept? 2. What Bible story or character do you identify with in your life? 3. What have you been carrying for you? 4. Who paved the way for you to get to be you in the world? 5. What is the Good News?

06-25
51:06

Ep 3.26 Maybe the Bible doesn't Hate Gay People? with Pastor Colby Martin

Pastor Colby is the author of Unclobber: Rethinking our Misuse of the Bible on Homosexuality. He joined Pastor A.J. for the amazing recording in front of a live audience at the Delaware-Maryland Synod Assembly in June 2024.  Pastor Colby shares his story and “coming out of the theological closet”.  Unclobber walks through the 6 passages of scripture that are commonly used to exclude and abuse the LGBTQ+ community at the hands of “Good Christians”.  Well, as Pastor Colby shares with us, they are wrong.  Join us as we dive deep into these clobber verses and click on the link below to get your copy of Unclobber! Discussion Questions: 1.  When has your heart and your head been out of alignment? 2.  What have you been historically taught about some of these passages? 3. Have you studied them extensively? What did you learn? 4. What do you think the church should do with LGBTQ+ folks in our midst? 5. What is the Good News? Other notes: Buy “Unclobber: Rethinking Our Misuse of the Bible on Homosexuality”:  https://a.co/d/36tSiba  Buy “The Shift: Surviving and Thriving after Moving from Conservative to Progressive Christianity”: https://a.co/d/9fGGNYI 

06-18
53:34

Ep 3.25 Claiming God’s Gender-Diverse Children with Jamie Bruesehoff

On this week’s episode, Pastor A.J. welcomes Jamie Bruesehoff, author of “Raising Kids Beyond the Binary: Celebrating God’sTransgender and Gender-Diverse Children”.  Transgender and gender-diverse humans are the target of so much hate and political stigma, and as called followers of Christ, what can we do to protect, advocate, and welcome those beloved children of God in our midst?  Jamie shares her story, some tips, and what all those out there who are allies can do to include and welcome our gender diverse siblings in Christ.  Discussion Questions: 1. Has your congregation spent time in conversation about transgender and gender-diverse folks? 2. Where are you in your personal journey, mile marker 2 or 17? 3. What are steps that your church/community can or has taken to create an inclusive space? 4. What work do you see in your community that still needs to be done? And how can you help? 5. How is God calling you share the Good News? Other notes: More about Jamie: https://www.jamiebruesehoff.com/ Buy “Raising Kids Beyond the Binary”: https://a.co/d/gJTRNte Buy “A Kid’s Book About Being Inclusive” by Rebekah Bruesehoff: https://a.co/d/j44Swr6 

06-11
01:15:28

Ep 3.24 It’s Not Really an Apple with Rabbi Evan Ravski

Pastor A.J. and Rabbi Evan dive into the “fall” of humanity.  What are the different perspectives and theological meanings to this story in Judaism and Christianity?  What are the differences? We talk about how this story affects our understanding of good and evil and our very relationship with our creator God.  For those that follow the RCL this episode talks about Genesis 3:8-15 for Sunday, June 9th, 2024. Discussion Questions: 1. What’s your working definition of sin? 2. Where does sin come from? 3. How does the perspective that Rabbi gives challenge your traditional beliefs? 4. Does God need humanity? 5. Do you do good things to “make up” for sin or something else? 6. How do you feel about the concept that God may have lied to them? Other notes: Correction: *Jesus’ genealogy is taken back all the way to Adam in the Gospel of Luke not Matthew. 

06-04
01:26:43

Ep 3.23 Move the Chairs with Pastor Andrea Roske-Metcalfe

Is the Sabbath for us or are we for the Sabbath? Jesus challenges us once again by breaking the rules and paves the way for us to evaluate how we do church.  Who is church for? How important are your giant stained glass windows? Pastor Andrea and Pastor A.J. dive into the gospel lesson, Mark 2:23-3:6, for Sunday, June 2nd, 2024.  Discussion Questions: 1. Does your church have very strong feelings about where things are located in the church? 2. What would happen if you moved stuff around? 3. How does this challenge our communities? 4. What would it say to the world around us to make changes? 5. Where is the Good News?

05-28
49:40

Ep 3.22 Flesh, Spirit, and the Trinity with Pastor Jon Fry

What’s it like to be heirs to the kingdom? Or have you been told that your “sins of the flesh” keep you out?  Well, my friends, Pastor Jon and Pastor A.J. talk about what it means to be a part of the body of Christ, a member of the second part of the Trinity, and who it’s for.  Guess what, it’s you!  This episode talks about Romans 8:12-17 for Trinity Sunday, May 26, 2024 with some Galatians 5 scattered in there.  Discussion Questions: 1. What does it mean to you to be seen as part of the Trinity body? 2. What have you been told about the “sins of the flesh”?  3. How have you internalized this? 4. What does it mean to be heirs of the promise? 5. What theological ideas have you been engrained with in your life that you have had to un-learn? 6. What embodied experiences do you experience God? Live Recording Event Info: “Unclobber: Rethinking our misuse of the Bible on homosexuality” by Pastor Colby Martin. https://a.co/d/axRhIYV Live Recording Event page: https://www.facebook.com/events/476139701613332/

05-21
45:00

Ep 3.21 How do we hear it? By the SPIRIT! with Pastor Joe Graumann

“Maybe that’s the real gift of the Spirit: to hear and discern God’s Good News.” Is Pentecost really just the disciples' graduation from disciple school? Or is it more like their “confirmation”? Where it’s really the beginning of the next chapter of their faith and ministry. All glitter ashes aside, Pastor A.J. and Pastor Joe dive into some Pentecost, graduation, new wine, and confirmation based conversation about Acts 2:1-21 for Pentecost Sunday, May 19, 2024. Discussion Questions: 1. Is linguistic diversity a curse from God or a gift? 2. What does Pentecost share with us about diversity? 3. We hear that God breaks down barriers. What is to prevent you (anyone) from hearing the good news? 4. When is change in our faith good? Or when should we push back at change? 5. As we discuss diversity of language and culture, what are church culture differences that are good?

05-14
50:59

Ep 3.20 The Villain or the Misunderstood with Pastor Kyle Bates

Is Judas a bad guy? Why or why not?  Pastor Kyle and Pastor A.J. dive into all the possibilities and offer some grace for our faith’s biggest villain. Judas Iscariot is the guy who sells out Jesus, but he also was included as a chosen disciple.  What does it mean that Jesus chose him? Is it a mistake? Or is he just a part of the story because we need a villain? Let’s talk about it.  Pastor Kyle and Pastor A.J. dive into Acts 1:15-26 for Sunday, May 12, 2024.  Discussion Questions: 1. Do you think Judas is bad? Why or Why Not? 2. Is there a need to have a bad guy in the story of Jesus? 3. Who do we scapegoat in our faith? 4. The super hard question: who deserves grace? 5. Is there anyone outside of God’s grace? 6. What does it mean to “cloak them in our own honor” to you? 7. What does it mean that God chooses to partner with us? Even as flawed people that we are? 8. How does it reframe the story of Judas reco Other Notes: The Nonviolent Atonement - J. Denny Weaver https://www.amazon.com/Nonviolent-Atonement-J-Denny-Weaver/dp/0802849083

05-07
45:40

Ep 3.19 The Secret Commandment with Br. Ryan W. Roberts, OLF

Down the rabbit hole we go!  We finally found a topic that makes Pastor A.J. uncomfortable! What if Jesus’ last commandment to the disciples is not what it seems? What does that mean for us? Is there a Johannine "messianic secret commandment" that we missed? Does it mean anything to us a couple thousand years later? Join Pastor A.J. and Brother Ryan as we venture down the rabbit hole where things may not be what they seem, but maybe we still come out beloved and renewed on the other side.  This episode talks about John 15:9-17 for Sunday, May 5th, 2024. Discussion Questions: 1. “I give you a new commandment that you love one another” or “I give you a new commandment in order that you love one another.”  Do you think this translation difference changes the meaning? 2. If it does change the meaning, what does that mean to you? 3. What does it mean to love as Jesus asks? 4. What does this commandment mean in light of Jesus fulfilling God’s commandments on our behalf? 5. How are we to live knowing that we cannot be perfect and that God will make up the difference no matter what? 6. What is the good news? Other notes: Greek text notes referenced by the Rev. D. Mark Davis: https://leftbehindandlovingit.blogspot.com/2015/05/in-order-that-you-love.html Learn more about the Lutheran Franciscans at https://www.lutheranfranciscans.org/

04-30
56:12

Ep 3.18 Mental Health and Elijah with Pastor A.J. Houseman

Happy *almost* Mental Health Awareness Month! To kick off Mental Health Awareness month, Pastor A.J. shares part of the story of the prophet, Elijah.  Elijah experiences some trauma, burnout, depression, and some suicidal ideation.  It’s uncomfortable stuff. Frequently, the response to mental health from Christianity has been less than helpful.  Sometimes pastors act like psychiatrists and sometimes the “Christian” approach is just to pray more. This is not the divine response that Elijah receives.  Elijah is treated in mind, body, and spirit in his time of need.  Let’s dive into 1st Kings 19:1-18 and talk about what God may want for us to be happy and healthy. Discussion Questions: 1. What have you been taught about mental health from your family? 2. What are your experiences of mental health conversations and the church? 3. What things would you like to learn more about during Mental Health Awareness Month? 4. What in the story of Elijah do you resonate with? 5. How do you feel God’s response to Elijah is helpful? 6. What does this tell us about God and God’s relationship with us?

04-23
44:40

Ep 3.17 Alexander: Enslaved by a Church with Melinda Summer and Andy Massey

Archivist and historians, Melinda and Andy, share a dark secret from St. Matthew's Evangelical Lutheran Church in Charleston, South Carolina: St. Matthew's was an enslaver. Melinda and Andy dive into what we know and don't know about Alexander, his life, and work here. We talk about the implications of a church-owned slave. What does this mean for us today? Why is this important for us to talk about? Tune in for this 20-Foot-Pole episode of German church folk in the 1800s in the south. (*acknowledgement: we are three white people talking about slavery and racism in an attempt to learn from our past to inform our future) Discussion: 1. Does it suprise you that a Lutheran church (or church in general) owned a slave? 2. What are the implications of this kind of history? 3. What does it mean for us to be church in the wake of this revelation? 4. What do we do now? Let us pray, Gracious and merciful God, we repent of our sins of the institution of slavery, hatred, racism, and continued negligence to work for justice and peace for all of your children. We humbly ask your forgiveness and ask for courage and guidance to work towards this justice in our church, nation, and world today. In your holy name, we pray. Amen. Recommended reading from Melinda and Andy: My Grandmother's Hands by Resmaa Menakem

04-16
51:08

Ep 3.16 Some Good News with Pastor Kelsey Fitting-Snyder

This week Pastor Kelsey and Pastor A.J. dive into 1st John again.  We will discuss sin, who sins, who gets forgiveness, and what it all means.  We will look at different perspectives on sin and grace, and ultimately, find the good news in Jesus.  This episode talks about 1st John 3:1-7 for Sunday, April 14, 2024. Discussion Questions: 1. What are experiences that you have had that have made you more compassionate towards others? 2. Do you think God desires us to be perfect? Or do you think God is looking for something else from us? 3. What is the good news? WHy does the good news set us free? 4. What will you do with this good news?

04-09
40:32

Ep 3.15 Light, Dark, and the Harm of Dualism with Pastor Allison Johnson

We are back!  Our season 3 part 2 premiere’s with a podcast favorite guest, Pastor Allison.  She and Pastor A.J. discuss light and dark and the problem with some of this language in the Bible. Do you get uncomfortable with light and dark imagery in the Bible? No? Well let’s open ourselves up to other perspectives of why this language is harmful and who it harms. Pastor Allison and Pastor A.J. will explore other ways to express these images.  We will talk about 1 John 1:1--2:2 for Sunday, April 7, 2024. Discussion Questions: 1. Where have you seen light and dark imagery used in church? 2. How have you felt about this imagery? Did you notice? 3. Why is it important to acknowledge and address how this has been used? 4. What does it mean for you to be in “abundant community”? 5. Where is the hope?

04-02
51:17

Season 3 Part II is coming soon!

Thank you for patiently (or not so patiently) waiting for TFP to return for the rest of season 3! Well that wait is almost over! Look for Episode 3.15 on Tuesday, April 2, 2024!

03-19
03:02

Ep 3.14 Un-Ladylike: Bathsheba with the Rev. Carla Christopher

Bathsheba is certainly another matriarch that makes lemonade out of lemons. Is it to protect her family and future children? She is a victim on a sexual power move and scandal that costs her husband his life. What is she to do in the midst of such horror and trauma? With God’s help, she becomes a queen and wise leader. Let’s talk about it. Find downloadable materials for your Advent study group on our website! www.tenfootpolepodcast.com/unladylike Discussion Questions: 1. Sit with the story of how Bathsheba becomes David’s wife. What sticks out to you as uncomfortable? 2. What power structures and disparities are in play in this story? 3. Does power hinder our ability to let God in? 4. What do you think of how David chooses to deal with his sin? 5. What do you think about how Bathsheba responds in her new circumstance? 6. How does this conversation between Pastor Carla and Pastor A.J. change your view of King David? 7. What parallels do you see between Bathsheba and Mary? 8. Where is God at work in this story through these very real and imperfect people? 9. What does this story tell us about people’s identity and how God works through each of us?

12-19
46:12

Ep 3.13 Un-Ladylike: Ruth with the Rev. Dr. Karyn Wiseman

Ruth is one of only two women who have a book dedicated to them in our scriptures. Ruth’s story tells us a lot more about Naomi than Ruth. Naomi orchestrates a marriage proposal to secure a good life for her widowed daughter-in-law through deceit and indecency. Let’s talk about it. Find downloadable materials for your Advent study group on our website! www.tenfootpolepodcast.com/unladylike 1. Dr. Wiseman says, “These women had little outside relationships, and use THEIR relationship to claim their place in the world.” Ruth and Naomi travel hundreds of miles to find security and a better life. Where else do we see this happening in scripture? In the world? 2. What risks do we take for our family? 3. Naomi acts with some indecency and puts Boaz in an awkward position. What does this tell us about her character? What do you think of how Naomi orchestrates this marriage proposal? 4. Does Naomi’s actions in the face of survival justify her actions? 5. Pastor A.J. says, “The foreigners, the sex workers, the deceptive women, and all literally included in the body of Christ.” What does their inclusion in this lineage tell us about the family and community of the body of Christ? 6. What do we take away from Ruth and Naomi’s story about what it means to be family?

12-12
50:58

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