Team Deakins

EPISODE 86 - CALEB DESCHANEL - Cinematographer Team Deakins sits down with cinematographer Caleb Deschanel for a great conversation. We learn about his experiences on the BLACK STALLION, BEING THERE, THE RIGHT STUFF, AND THE NATURAL. We talk about the key to being really good in the craft (recognizing a better idea), watching the actor do the performance for the first time, working with operators, the importance of crew choice for a DP, and the difference of operating a camera with the wheels. We also explore the critical relationship between DP and Director and how greatness is not always obvious in the making of something. A wide-reaching conversation that you don’t want to miss!

SEASON 2 - EPISODE 159 - Michael McDonough - Cinematographer We speak with cinematographer Michael McDonough (BOSCH, SUNSET SONG, WINTER’S BONE) in this episode of the Team Deakins Podcast. If you listened to our conversation with Debra Granik (Season 2, Episode 158), then you know a bit about Michael already. He fills in what she left out, and we learn how he came to pursue filmmaking as a career after roaming around Rome on a year-long printmaking scholarship during his time in art college. We further discuss his professional partnership with Debra, and we also trade stories about working with director Michael Radford. In addition to his work in film, Michael has shot long-running television series such as FEAR THE WALKING DEAD and BOSCH, and he shares how he does the best he can given the limitations of working in the format. Michael also reflects on how BOSCH incorporates Los Angeles’ rich noir history into the show’s look, and we learn what advice he would give his younger self if he were starting out again. Among the other topics discussed in our conversation: lighting lessons learned from observing cinematographer Vilmos Zsigmond and the allure of Venice Beach in the winter. - This episode is sponsored by Aputure & Sandstorm

SEASON 2 - EPISODE 158 - Debra Granik - Director In this extended episode of the Team Deakins Podcast, we speak with director Debra Granik (LEAVE NO TRACE, WINTER’S BONE, DOWN TO THE BONE). Debra’s films carry the traditions of social realism into the 21st century, and throughout our conversation we discuss the movement’s place in the United States and around the world, her approach to the work, and why she’s faced difficulty finding the means to shoot and distribute films that direct attention towards American poverty with clear and empathetic eyes. We also learn about the college professor and the films he screened that influenced her attitude towards filmmaking the most, and she reflects on being further inspired by the spirit of Dogme 95, a filmmaking movement co-founded by director Thomas Vinterberg (Season 1, Episode 101). We later discuss her extensive use of non-actors in her films, and she shares how the local community featured in WINTER’S BONE helped improve the film. We also reflect on the legacy and genius of Charles Dickens, and Debra answers the question, “What is the scariest four letter word in American storytelling?” - Recommended Viewing: LEAVE NO TRACE, WINTER’S BONE, DOWN TO THE BONE - This episode is sponsored by Barco & Aputure

SEASON 2 - EPISODE 157 - Garret Dillahunt - Actor In this episode of the Team Deakins Podcast, we speak with actor Garret Dillahunt (NO COUNTRY FOR OLD MEN, THE ASSASSINATION OF JESSE JAMES, DEADWOOD). We worked with Garret on NO COUNTRY and JESSE JAMES, and we had a wonderful time catching up with him. Garret shares how he made his way from rural Washington to the graduate program for acting at NYU, and we learn why he made the leap from theatre to film and television. While trading stories from NO COUNTRY, Garret shares a humorous episode involving himself, actor Tommy Lee Jones, the Coen brothers, and a bowl of wrapped candies, and we marvel at the Coens’ ability to nudge actors into shooting their storyboards. In the latter half of our conversation, Garret recalls his experiences shooting the television series DEADWOOD, and we learn how those experiences set the tone for the rest of his career. Garret also reveals how showrunner David Milch wrote the show as they shot it, and we discuss the different strategies and approaches to coverage. Plus, we discuss dealing with imposter syndrome, and Garret reflects on the actor-in-a-supporting-role’s tricky task of trying to find the vibe on a set at 2AM. - Recommended Viewing: NO COUNTRY FOR OLD MEN, THE ASSASSINATION OF JESSE JAMES, DEADWOOD - This episode is sponsored by Aputure & Barco

SEASON 2 - EPISODE 156 - Barry Jenkins - Director In this episode of the Team Deakins Podcast, we speak with director Barry Jenkins (MUFASA: THE LION KING, THE UNDERGROUND RAILROAD, MOONLIGHT). How did Barry get from South Florida to Hollywood? What did he learn about himself on his walkabout around the country after leaving the industry? What did Barry struggle with in the gap between the release of his debut feature and MOONLIGHT? How did he survive the gonzo shooting schedule of THE UNDERGROUND RAILROAD? Why MUFASA? Barry answers all these questions and speaks on craft, process, and so much more in this extended and enriching conversation about his life, his films, and the many years he spent not actually making anything. Barry and his film school friends Adele Romanski and Mark Ceryak also produce movies through their production company PASTEL, and we discuss why he feels it’s important to help introduce new filmmakers and new voices—particularly now. Plus, Barry reveals the premise of his unrealized Stevie Wonder time-travel script.  - Recommended Viewing: THE UNDERGROUND RAILROAD, MOONLIGHT, MEDICINE FOR MELANCHOLY - This episode is sponsored by Barco & Aputure

SEASON 2 - EPISODE 155 - Fred Specktor - Agent In this episode of the Team Deakins Podcast, we speak with agent Fred Specktor (CAA). Fred has actually seen it all—now in his 90s, he joined the mailroom at MCA (before its dissolution) after graduating college, and he’s been in the business ever since. After a stint as movie mogul Lew Wasserman’s assistant at MCA, Fred was fired, and he recounts his journey bouncing between outfits until landing at CAA where he has represented top Hollywood talent for the past four decades. Fred’s long career as an agent is populated with moments such as networking at a car accident and attending an acting class with Jack Nicholson, and he shares many of them with us throughout the episode. We also discuss the differences in Hollywood, moviegoing, and filmmaking between today and the previous century, and we learn how he still tackles his work with verve after a lifetime on the job. Plus, Fred makes his prediction for the future of the movies. - If you enjoy listening to Fred, we recommend reading THE GOLDEN HOUR. Fred’s career and life is one of the subjects of the novel which was written by previous guest (and Fred’s son) Matthew Specktor (Season 2, Episode 146). - This episode is sponsored by Aputure & Barco

SEASON 2 - EPISODE 154 - Tracy Letts - Actor / Writer In this episode of the Team Deakins Podcast, we speak with actor and writer Tracy Letts (AUGUST: OSAGE COUNTY, BUG, HOMELAND). Born and raised in Oklahoma, Tracy struck out for Chicago after high school to find work as an actor in the city’s active theatre scene, and we learn why Tracy began writing plays himself. We also discuss cinema’s role as a messenger for exposing the stories of the stage to rural American communities without access to the theatre, and he shares his mixed experiences adapting his plays into films, from director William Friedkin’s tense vision of BUG to the Hollywood ensemble version of his Pulitzer Prize winning play AUGUST: OSAGE COUNTY. An accomplished actor as well, Tracy reflects on seeking advice for performing for the camera from his seasoned HOMELAND castmates Claire Danes and Mandy Patinkin, and he reveals how he felt when, after being replaced on a film he had written, he was asked to act in additional scenes invented for his character. Plus, Tracy quotes a critical review that ironically sold out the remaining shows of his first play KILLER JOE.  - This episode is sponsored by Barco & Aputure

SEASON 2 - EPISODE 153 - Steven Soderbergh - Director In this extended episode of the Team Deakins Podcast, we speak with director Steven Soderbergh (BLACK BAG, TRAFFIC, OUT OF SIGHT). Steven credits his father for giving him the movie bug, and he shares how a young adulthood shooting short films and writing spec scripts in Louisiana led to the 8-years-in-the-making overnight success of his debut feature: SEX, LIES, AND VIDEOTAPE. We spend much of the episode discussing Steven’s insights into directing and filmmaking, and he opens up about his transition into shooting his own films under the alias Peter Andrews. Steven also reflects on directing OUT OF SIGHT, recalling how he ended up with the job, when a studio note protected him from his own instinct to be lean in the film’s edit, and why he felt the movie was at stake when he went to war to cast Jennifer Lopez. Steven also stresses the importance of character and reputation in the business, and he recalls the pitfalls of acting like an egomaniac that he witnessed while crewing in his early days. We also discuss the value of establishing a basic grammar and set of rules specific to the film one is making, and Steven shares how he tries to listen to what a movie wants “itself” to be. - Recommended Viewing: OUT OF SIGHT  - This episode is sponsored by Aputure & Barco

SEASON 2 - EPISODE 152 - Lucy Prebble - Playwright / Writer Playwright and writer Lucy Prebble (SUCCESSION, I HATE SUZIE, ENRON) joins us in this episode of the Team Deakins Podcast. Lucy’s plays frequently incorporate the physical space of the stage in the telling of the story and involve the audience in engaging and creative ways, and we were excited to talk to her about storytelling both on stage and on screen. We learn how, after a bookish childhood, she eventually found the courage to have her own plays put on, and she reflects on her experiences running her own television show and working on others’. Lucy also wrote for the amply-budgeted video game DESTINY, and she shares (as much as she’s allowed to) how the writing process works for something with that many resources. Lucy also reveals the real-world events that inspired her plays ENRON and THE SUGAR SYNDROME, and we learn how she identifies the real human relationships at the heart these stories. We also discuss the value of empathy and deadlines for a writer, and Lucy makes a prediction for the future of the theatre in the digital age. Plus, we observe that many of history’s greatest writers were really just frustrated actors. - This episode is sponsored by Barco & Aputure

SEASON 2 - EPISODE 151 - Dave Freeth - Inventor of the Stabileye In this episode of the Team Deakins Podcast, we speak with Dave Freeth, a recipient of a Scientific and Engineering Award by the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences for the invention of the Stabileye. The Stabileye is a remotely-operated, motorized camera stabilization system, and we used the equipment extensively on 1917 to pull the film off. Dave originally started out in an apprenticeship for watchmaking but soon found himself working for the Ministry of Defence until making the transition into the film industry. We asked Dave to come on the podcast to discuss the Stabileye’s inception and design, and he describes the underlying mechanics that not only power the Stabileye but other stabilization systems in use today. We talk about gyroscopes, satellites, lasers, and even gravity! He also shares how the Stabileye is adapting to newer camera models, and he reveals some surprising potential developments in sensor technology. We learn a lot in this episode, and we were excited to celebrate Dave’s recent recognition with him.  - This episode is sponsored by Aputure & Barco

SEASON 2 - EPISODE 150 - A LOOK AT TWO INSPIRATIONAL FILMS - with Joe Walker - Part 2 In this episode of the Team Deakins Podcast, we finish our two-part conversation with editor Joe Walker (Season 1, Episode 35) about two of our favourite films: Richard Brooks’ IN COLD BLOOD and Jean-Pierre Melville’s ARMY OF SHADOWS. Following the previous episode, we shift our focus towards ARMY OF SHADOWS, contrasting the film’s measured pacing with the rapidity of its violence that punctuates several points in the story. We reflect on the emotional effect of the movie’s unique sense of rhythm and handmade nature, and we discuss the use (and absence) of music throughout the film. We also reflect on the film’s near-lack of inserts and intimacy, and we share how the film successfully adapts the essence of the book from which it is based despite making several story changes. Roger was in college at the time of both films’ theatrical runs, and he shares what it was like watching them with contemporary audiences. Later, Joe reveals why he and director Denis Villeneuve (Season 1, Episode 25) vary their film diet and watch “slower” films such as ARMY OF SHADOWS to refresh their brains, and Joe observes that fisherman make great camera operators. - Recommended Viewing: IN COLD BLOOD (1967), ARMY OF SHADOWS (1969) - This episode is sponsored by Barco & Aputure

SEASON 2 - EPISODE 149 - A LOOK AT TWO INSPIRATIONAL FILMS - with Joe Walker - Part 1 In this episode of the Team Deakins Podcast, editor Joe Walker (Season 1, Episode 35) returns for the first half of a two-part discussion about the filmmaking behind two of our favourite films: Richard Brooks’ IN COLD BLOOD and Jean-Pierre Melville’s ARMY OF SHADOWS. The films may contrast in their expression of cinematic storytelling with each other and with films made today, but we find, over the course of these two episodes, that both films share and build on the fundamental elements of what makes a movie, a movie. This episode focuses on IN COLD BLOOD, and we discuss how the film frequently subverts expectations through its structure, cinematography, and editing. Joe also breaks down composer Quincy Jones’ evocative score, and he reveals how the film radically flew in the face of a soon-to-be-abandoned Hays Code. Additionally, we look at the innovations in filmmaking technologies and techniques from cinema’s youth to the 1960s, and Joe presents his theory of the 30-year-cycle of evolution in the film industry. Plus, we take a moment to consider the links between Soviet propaganda’s understanding of montage and the modern analytics and algorithms that manipulate how images are presented on the internet today.  - Recommended Viewing: IN COLD BLOOD (1967), ARMY OF SHADOWS (1969) - This episode is sponsored by Aputure & Barco

SEASON 2 - EPISODE 148 - Pulling a Film Together - with Paula McGann In this episode of the Team Deakins Podcast, we speak with Paula McGann (1917, DARKEST HOUR, MIDNIGHT SKY). We had the pleasure of working with Paula on 1917, and we asked her to come on the podcast to discuss the work that goes into pulling a film together nowadays. Paula—after years of working for directors, producers, and in several departments on numerous films—has recently begun producing herself, and with several projects in various stages of development, we thought her perspective would be valuable to hear and share. Paula teaches us what the film marketplace actually is, and we explore several hypothetical situations such as breaking down a script without a director’s vision and handling a financier’s creatively disruptive note. Paula also shares an experience in which a project was taken away from her, and we discuss practicing resilience in a business of ups and downs. Throughout the episode, we discuss mentors, budgeting, sales agents, putting yourself out there, and finding your own way in the business. - This episode is sponsored by Profoto & Aputure

SEASON 2 - EPISODE 147 - Turning the Tables - TRUE GRIT - David Mullen Cinematographer David Mullen (Season 1, Episode 83 & Season 2, Episode 113) returns for a new edition of the “Turning the Tables” series in this episode of the Team Deakins Podcast. David’s questions center around our work on the Coen Brothers’ 2010 version of TRUE GRIT, and we had a wonderful time answering them. In addition to the questions concerning how we actually made the film, we also discuss the long history of westerns and the visual variety within the genre. We also reveal the story behind the push-in in the opening shot of the film, what was on location and what was on stage, and how we shot the river crossing scene. We later reflect on working with then-child actor Hailee Steinfeld, and we discuss the script’s unique and engaging dialogue. We also reflect on the utility of cowboy hats and on the visual strength of westerns directed by John Ford and Sergio Leone, and we swap stories from our early-career, low-budget exterior shoots. Topics also include: film stocks, aspect ratios, lighting locations and sets, and nighttime nightmares shooting a black mare against a black sky. - Recommended Viewing: TRUE GRIT (2010) - This episode is sponsored by Aputure & Profoto

SEASON 2 - EPISODE 146 - Matthew Specktor - Author Author Matthew Specktor joins us in this episode of the Team Deakins Podcast. In his recently released memoir, THE GOLDEN HOUR, Matthew, the son of legendary talent agent Fred Specktor, uses his parents’ divergent professional and personal lives to reflect on the film industry as it was, and he writes about his own life and career in and around the movies to reflect on what it has become. After reading it (and Matthew’s other novels), we felt we had to speak with him. What follows in this episode is a wide-ranging and lively conversation about Matthew’s life, his and our views on the changes in the film business and in the films themselves, cinema’s place in society, and the genuine love for Hollywood that comes out in his writing. We also discuss the changing economics of funding films, the shifts in who wields power in Hollywood, and Matthew details the brief window in the 1960s and 1970s in which filmmakers were afforded a relative freedom not seen since. In THE GOLDEN HOUR, Matthew at times places us inside the minds of industry figureheads such as Lew Wasserman and Michael Ovitz, and Matthew shares how understanding the men who changed the film industry can help us better understand where we are today. We also reflect on the all-consuming lifestyle of working in Hollywood, and Matthew likens it to being trapped in a casino at two in the morning—forever. Plus, Matthew shares what it was like learning how to write from a uniquely qualified professor: James Baldwin.  - Recommended Reading: THE GOLDEN HOUR - This episode is sponsored by Profoto & Aputure 

SEASON 2 - EPISODE 145 - Deliverables and Preserving Authorial Intent - with Steve Yedlin In this episode of the Team Deakins Podcast, cinematographer Steve Yedlin (Season 2, Episode 72) returns to talk with us about deliverables and preserving authorial intent in post-production. Throughout the episode, we tap into Steve’s deep well of technical knowledge, and we make frequent reference to Steve’s publicly available demonstration on what HDR really is and how it has affected the colour timing stage of post. We get into the weeds during our conversation, and we try to make sense of the growing number of variables, units of measurement, and home-video viewing options we’re forced to contend with as filmmakers in the digital age. We also look at how our level of control over home-viewing deliverables has changed since the VHS days, and we attempt to peek into what the future may hold for us as technology and audience expectations continue to evolve. Towards the end of our conversation, we discuss the economic realities of restoring old films, and Steve offers his best advice to any young (or older!) filmmaker feeling overwhelmed by the endless technical jargon. Plus, we find some surprising and relevant wisdom within THIS IS SPINAL TAP. - We highly recommend watching Steve’s demonstration on HDR for an even deeper investigation into the topics discussed in this episode. Tap here to watch. - This episode is sponsored by Aputure & Profoto

SEASON 2 - EPISODE 144 - Philip Barantini - Director In this episode of the Team Deakins Podcast, we speak with director Philip Barantini (ADOLESCENCE, BOILING POINT, ACCUSED). Originally from Liverpool, Philip couldn’t have felt further away from the film industry, but after developing an interest in drama and acting, he soon found himself as a working actor. After dropping out of the business and regaining his sobriety, he eventually overcame his self-doubt and built his career as a director from the ground up. Philip shares how he made the jump from making shorts to developing the television series BOILING POINT, and we learn how he found financing for the project and executed the single-shot aesthetic just as the world was shutting down at the beginning of the COVID-19 pandemic. We later learn about the genesis and development of ADOLESCENCE, and Philip reflects on the extensive rehearsal process for each episode. Philip also reveals how he created an environment within each episode that empowered the show’s actors to improvise, and he shares how young actor Owen Cooper exceeded all expectations for his first role in front of the camera. - Recommended Viewing: ADOLESCENCE  - This episode is sponsored by Profoto & Aputure

SEASON 2 - EPISODE 143 - Phil Alden Robinson - Writer / Director In this episode of the Team Deakins Podcast, we speak with writer and director Phil Alden Robinson (THE GOOD FIGHT, THE SUM OF ALL FEARS, FIELD OF DREAMS) about many of his films. Phil was initially interested in politics and journalism, but he eventually made his way to Los Angeles and found his way into a writer’s room based on the strength of a spec script. Phil soon found two of his feature scripts in production, and he reflects on the impact of being treated as badly as possible and as well as possible simultaneously. Later, Phil breaks down how FIELD OF DREAMS came together as a project, and we learn how he overcame an overwhelming sense of stress through the support of his cast and key crew members, including cinematographer John Lindley (Season 1, Episode 34) and production designer Dennis Gassner (Season 1, Episode 131). In addition to his work in features, Phil also directed documentaries for Nightline in a number of war zones, and we discuss the value of living life and taking time off from making movies. We also discuss the ubiquitousness of VFX in cinema today, and Phil shares what he feels to be the real lesson to take away from a film like the original STAR WARS. - Recommended Viewing: FIELD OF DREAMS, THE SUM OF ALL FEARS - This episode is sponsored by Aputure & Profoto

SEASON 2 - EPISODE 142 - Michael Shannon - Actor Actor Michael Shannon (THE BIKERIDERS, GEORGE & TAMMY, MAN OF STEEL) joins us in this episode of the Team Deakins Podcast. We worked with Michael on REVOLUTIONARY ROAD, and we had a wonderful time catching up with him. Michael shares how he first stumbled into acting, which early-career play of his took him from a tiny theatre in Chicago to the West End and Off-Broadway, and why the experience of actors coming up today is so unlike his own. We also discuss his longtime collaborative relationship with director Jeff Nichols (Season 1, Episode 28), and we reflect on his penchant for projects concerning the end of the world. We also discuss his work in TAKE SHELTER, and we learn how Michael coped with sleeping in an abandoned building during the shoot. Throughout the conversation, Michael shares his opinions on rehearsing, remaining in character after a long day, and repetitive takes, and after learning Michael just directed his first film, we ask if his perspective as an actor has changed at all. - Recommended Viewing: TAKE SHELTER - This episode is sponsored by Profoto & Aputure

SEASON 2 - EPISODE 141 - DP & VFX Relationship - with Greig Fraser & Paul Lambert In this episode of the Team Deakins Podcast, cinematographer Greig Fraser (Season 1, Episodes 29, 57, 63, 69 & Season 2, Episodes 50, 51, 100) and VFX supervisor Paul Lambert (Season 1, Episode 107) return to talk about the modern relationship between the cinematography and visual effects departments. Throughout the episode, we frequently refer to Paul’s and Greig’s collaboration on both DUNE films, and they reveal how they realized several scenes and overcame the endless challenges of shooting the film with the support of one another. They share why they utilized painted backings to assist in set extension over blue screens or LED walls, and we later swap strategies for figuring out how to maintain the illusion of a flying helicopter. Greig also reveals what makes him proud about a particular all-CG shot in DUNE: PART II, and Paul breaks down what an audience really means when they see “bad CGI” in a film. Towards the end, we discuss the merging of animation and live-action filmmaking, and we look ahead to what the future may bring. - Recommended Viewing: DUNE (2021), DUNE: PART II (2024) - This episode is sponsored by Aputure & Profoto