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That's Where I'm At
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Welcome to "That's Where I'm At" with your host, Laura Richards!
Join Laura Richards, a survivor of narcissistic abuse with 33 years experience, as she guides you through the journey of identifying, healing from, and thriving after emotional and psychological abuse. With a mission to raise awareness, foster emotional recovery, and empower you to love yourself, Laura brings honesty, compassion, and a touch of humor to every episode.
Dive into deep, meaningful conversations, tackle tough topics, and uncover moments of hope and healing. Our supportive community is here for you, offering insights, support, and a shared path to recovery and empowerment.
Subscribe now and be part of a transformative journey that's messy, real, and truly inspiring!
Join Laura Richards, a survivor of narcissistic abuse with 33 years experience, as she guides you through the journey of identifying, healing from, and thriving after emotional and psychological abuse. With a mission to raise awareness, foster emotional recovery, and empower you to love yourself, Laura brings honesty, compassion, and a touch of humor to every episode.
Dive into deep, meaningful conversations, tackle tough topics, and uncover moments of hope and healing. Our supportive community is here for you, offering insights, support, and a shared path to recovery and empowerment.
Subscribe now and be part of a transformative journey that's messy, real, and truly inspiring!
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In this episode of That's Where I'm At, host Laura interviews Darlene Lekowski, an Amazon bestselling author, motivational speaker, and business leader who transformed decades of silence into a powerful platform for truth, healing, and advocacy. Darlene shares how she endured sibling sexual trauma and abuse from two brothers between the ages of 7 and 12, carrying the experience in silence for 50 years due to shame and threats. After finding her voice and revealing the truth in 2021, Darlene faced a civil lawsuit brought against her by one of her brothers and ultimately prevailed in the case in 2024. She shares how therapy, writing, and speaking helped her navigate her healing journey and reclaim her voice. Her memoir, Shattering Silence: A Story of Survival, Justice and the Power of Telling the Truth, became an Amazon Best Seller and #1 New Release in multiple categories and is available in print, ebook, and audiobook narrated in her own voice. Today, Darlene speaks to corporate, leadership, and survivor audiences, encouraging others to let go of the silence, reclaim their voice, and Live Forward with courage, resilience, and agency. Key Topics & Timestamps Podcast Introduction (00:00:39) Host Laura introduces the podcast's mission to break the silence around women's stories and promote healing through sharing. Content Warning (00:01:28) A brief warning is given to listeners about potentially triggering subjects discussed in the episode. Introducing Darlene Markowski (00:01:37) The host introduces guest Darlene Markowski, an author and speaker who survived sibling sexual trauma and abuse. Why Darlene Broke Her Silence (00:03:27) Darlene explains why she kept her abuse a secret for 50 years, citing shame and threats from her brothers. The Impact of Trauma (00:06:06) Darlene discusses living with undiagnosed C-PTSD and how trauma manifested throughout her life, leading to control and perfectionism. Survival Strategies as a Child (00:09:06) Darlene shares the strategies she developed as a child to survive, such as becoming a tomboy and being athletic. The Catalyst for Speaking Out (00:15:25) After her mother's death, a text argument with her brother Don led to Darlene finally revealing the abuse. First Disclosures of Abuse (00:18:45) Darlene recounts the first times she told anyone about the abuse, including her boyfriend at 17 and friends. The Prevalence of Sibling Sexual Abuse (00:24:51) Darlene highlights how common sibling sexual abuse is, emphasizing the need for parents to talk to their children. Telling Her Children (00:27:43) Darlene shares her fear of telling her children about the abuse and their surprisingly understanding and supportive reaction. Confronting Her Brothers (00:30:47) Darlene describes confronting both of her abusive brothers, one of whom initially confessed before recanting his statement. The Defamation Lawsuit (00:33:24) Her brother Don sues Darlene for defamation after she reveals the abuse, leading to a two-and-a-half-year legal battle. The Trial and Verdict (00:36:58) Darlene recounts the six-day trial where a jury unanimously found her truthful, winning both her case and countersuit. The Healing Journey (00:38:10) Darlene realizes the legal victory didn't heal her, prompting her to write her book and focus on releasing her anger. Finding the Right Support (00:41:40) The importance of finding trauma-informed therapy, joining survivor groups, and exploring various healing modalities is discussed. Darlene's Advocacy Work (00:47:36) Darlene talks about her public speaking, where she shares her story with survivors, corporate leaders, and university students. Where to Find Darlene (00:50:25) Darlene shares her website, DarleneSpeaksUp.com, and social media handles for listeners who want to connect with her. Powerful Quotes from the Episode Darlene, "I had two brothers who sexually abused me from the ages of 7 to 12. I hid it, kept it in a box for 50 years." Darlene, "I had kept it in a box. I thought I was good, but the box always leaks. Trauma always finds you." Darlene, "I was so ashamed because I froze. I didn't understand that freezing is a solid, research-founded trauma response. I blamed myself." Darlene, "In less than an hour, a unanimous jury of 12 decided I was telling the truth, he was lying, and I won both cases." Darlene, "Don't give up on yourself. Focus on you. So many of us focus on what happened to us or the person that did this to us." RESOURCES: FOLLOW THE PODCAST: https://www.thatswhereimatpodcast.com/ INSTAGRAM: https://www.instagram.com/thatswhereimatpodcast/ COACH WITH LAURA: https://www.thatswhereimatpodcast.com/coachwithlaura MARRIED TO A "NICE" GUY: GETTING OVER NARCISSISTIC ABUSE: https://www.thatswhereimatpodcast.com/book-store JOIN THE NICE GUY RECOVERY COMMUNITY: https://www.skool.com/nice-guy-recovery-community-1517 FOLLOW DARLENE: WEBSITE: https://www.darlenespeaksup.com/ INSTAGRAM: https://www.instagram.com/darlenelekowski/ FACEBOOK: https://www.facebook.com/people/Darlene-Lekowski/61575781889793/ LINKEDIN: https://www.linkedin.com/in/darlene-lekowski-0ba1962/ BOOK: "Shattering Silence" Amazon Link: https://a.co/d/0eNNvFjC "Your truth can become the voice that helps others heal." This podcast and its contents may not be used for training or developing AI systems without permission. Podcast Produced and edited by the team at ResilientVoiceMedia.com Contact us for expert podcast production and support.
In this episode of That's Where I'm At, host Laura interviews Christine, author of The Truth She Showed Me, her personal story of surviving 17 years of coercive control and gaslighting. Christine is also the Director of a Fortune 500 company and holds an MBA, yet behind the success and accomplishments, she endured years of manipulation, isolation, and abuse that were invisible to those around her. Christine shares her journey from silence to speaking out, describing the early warning signs, escalating control, and trauma bond that kept her trapped. She reflects on the healing process, the importance of naming abuse, and how writing her book helped validate the experiences of others. Together, Laura and Christine emphasize that coercive control doesn't have a look, leaving is complex, healing is possible, and breaking the silence around abuse is essential. Key Topics & Timestamps Creating Awareness Through Shared Stories (00:00:00) Christine discusses creating a movement of awareness around coercive control through sharing stories and videos to help people self-diagnose. Podcast Introduction (00:00:35) Host Laura introduces the "That's Where I'm At" podcast, its purpose, and her personal experience with a narcissist. Content Warning (00:01:24) A brief content warning is given, advising listeners that the episode may contain potentially triggering subjects. Guest Introduction: Christine (00:01:33) Laura introduces her guest, Christine, author of "The Truth," who survived a 17-year marriage involving coercive control and gaslighting. Why Christine Started Speaking Out (00:02:58) Christine explains her journey started with silence and nonverbal therapy, then moved to journaling to validate her experiences for her children. The Power of Naming Your Pain (00:08:38) The discussion covers how naming the abuse (e.g., gaslighting, DARVO) empowers survivors and helps them begin the healing process. Planning a Safe Exit (00:09:26) Laura and Christine emphasize the importance of leaving an abusive relationship quietly and strategically, highlighting the increased danger during separation. Christine's Story: The Beginning (00:10:42) Christine shares how she met her ex-husband at 23, the quick progression of their relationship, and early red flags. The Start of Isolation (00:12:26) Christine recounts an early incident where her husband demanded she not discuss their marital problems with her parents, beginning her isolation. Reaching Out for Help (00:15:07) Christine describes a terrifying night when she reached out to her sister-in-law for help, only to be told not to involve her. Living with a Volatile Temper (00:18:16) Christine details her ex-husband's intense, unpredictable temper, which could be triggered by anything and kept her constantly on edge. Testing the Waters with Friends (00:21:01) After leaving, Christine began sharing small details with friends and family to gauge their reactions and combat her self-doubt. A Public Confrontation (00:24:24) Christine recalls a time her ex-husband publicly screamed at her in a bar for not answering her phone, which he hadn't even called. The Post-Divorce Glow Up (00:28:59) The conversation turns to the physical and emotional transformation survivors experience after leaving an abusive relationship, like having "sad eyes" disappear. Abusers Playing the Victim (00:31:17) They discuss how abusers refuse to acknowledge their behavior, often twisting the narrative to portray themselves as the victim. The Final Straw (00:36:52) Christine shares the moment she realized her situation would never change and began planning her exit to regain financial security. A Sign to Leave (00:40:02) A chance encounter with a woman who read her palm gave Christine the final push she needed to file for divorce. Why She Wrote the Book (00:46:53) Christine explains she wrote her book to validate her children's experiences and to help other survivors find the words for their pain. The Narcissist's Self-Awareness (00:50:47) Christine shares a story of her ex asking if he was a narcissist, highlighting how they manipulate and test their partners. How to Find Christine (00:55:36) Christine shares her social media handle and where to find her book, "The Truth," on Amazon. Powerful Quotes from the Episode Christine, "Because you can't see the bruise, you can't see the broken bone, I wanted to be able to give people the experience that would help them assign words and feel validated." Christine, "It was just almost a prayer at some point, like if he'd just hit me, if he'd just give me a black eye, nobody's going to question that I can leave." Christine, "From that moment, for the next 16 years, everything I lived through, I lived through by myself, and I didn't have to." Christine, "If they can control their anger everywhere except for in front of you, they can control their anger. This is not an anger management problem." Christine, "I decided because I was worried that someday my children would be trying to figure out if what they lived through was real." RESOURCES: FOLLOW THE PODCAST: https://www.thatswhereimatpodcast.com/ INSTAGRAM: https://www.instagram.com/thatswhereimatpodcast/ COACH WITH LAURA: https://www.thatswhereimatpodcast.com/coachwithlaura MARRIED TO A "NICE" GUY: GETTING OVER NARCISSISTIC ABUSE: https://www.thatswhereimatpodcast.com/book-store JOIN THE NICE GUY RECOVERY COMMUNITY: https://www.skool.com/nice-guy-recovery-community-1517 FOLLOW CHRISTINE: WEBSITE/BOOK: https://a.co/d/0bqLefXb INSTAGRAM: https://www.instagram.com/thetruthsheshowedme FACEBOOK: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=61584467686272 TIK TOK: https://www.tiktok.com/@thetruthsheshowedme YOUTUBE: https://www.youtube.com/@thetruthsheshowedme "Breaking the silence is the first step toward reclaiming your truth and your life." This podcast and its contents may not be used for training or developing AI systems without permission. Podcast Produced and edited by the team at ResilientVoiceMedia.com Contact us for expert podcast production and support.
In this episode of That's Where I'm At, host Laura interviews Hope Hooton, an author, advocate, podcast host, and public speaker dedicated to protecting children and supporting survivors of domestic violence. Hope shares her devastating experience with domestic violence and coercive control and recounts how the family court system failed to protect her children, Alec and Lydia, ultimately leading to their tragic deaths at the hands of their father in May 2024. Despite unimaginable grief, Hope transformed her pain into advocacy, helping champion the Alec and Lydia Act, which was signed into law in Arizona in June 2026 to strengthen protections for children and domestic violence survivors in family court. Through her memoir, There's Still Hope: A Journey of Adversity, Tragedy, and Unshakable Faith, and her podcast Voices Against Filicide, Hope raises awareness about coercive control, filicide prevention, and the need for stronger child safety protections. She also shares her message of faith, hope, and resilience through speaking engagements across the country, using her experience to inspire others and help prevent future tragedies. Key Topics & Timestamps Defining Filicide (00:00:00) Hope defines filicide, the intentional act of a parent killing their child, and shares statistics on this silent epidemic. Podcast Introduction (00:01:01) Host Laura introduces the "That's Where I'm At" podcast, its mission, and provides a content warning for listeners. Guest Introduction: Hope Hooten (00:01:58) Laura introduces her guest, Hope Hooten, an author and advocate, and reads her biography, highlighting her mission for change. Meeting Her Estranged Husband (00:04:27) Hope shares her background, how she met her estranged husband through a Christian organization, and the first red flags. Early Red Flags (00:08:37) Hope discusses early red flags in the relationship, including subtle manipulation, coercive control, and his explosive bursts of anger. Moving to Arizona and Marriage (00:09:50) Hope recounts moving to Arizona for a teaching job, getting married, and the subtle control her husband exerted during wedding planning. The Birth of Alec (00:18:16) Hope describes her first child, Alec, his personality, his severe allergies, and how the parenting responsibilities were primarily hers. The Birth of Lydia (00:20:59) Hope talks about the birth of her daughter, Lydia, her personality, and the close bond she shared with her brother, Alec. Escalation of Abuse (00:21:58) After Lydia's birth, the physical violence began, including being punched in the car in front of the children. Losing Both Parents (00:24:21) Hope discusses the immense grief of losing both her parents within months and the subsequent increase in financial and emotional abuse. The Decision to Separate (00:32:33) Hope explains why she decided to separate, realizing she and her children deserved better than a life filled with abuse. The Suicide Threat (00:39:04) When Hope told her husband she wanted a divorce, he threatened to kill himself in front of their children. Police Intervention and Separation (00:41:47) Hope calls 911. Police intervene, her husband is taken for evaluation, and she gets an order of protection. The Psychiatric Break (00:47:43) Her husband has a psychiatric break, tries to enter the home, and leaves disturbing voicemails, violating the protection order. The Hotel Incident (00:52:35) Her husband calls 911 on himself from a hotel, admitting to suicidal and homicidal ideations, leading to his hospitalization. The Court's Failure (00:55:16) Despite evidence of abuse and severe mental instability, a judge grants 50/50 unsupervised parenting time, failing to protect the children. The Day of the Tragedy (01:01:24) Hope recounts the day she discovered her children were absent from school and the subsequent welfare check that revealed the tragedy. Advocacy and Mission (01:03:54) Hope explains her mission to educate the public on lethality risk markers and the importance of using the term "filicide." The Alec and Lydia Act (01:06:47) Hope details the creation of the Alec and Lydia Act, a law strengthening protections for children in family court. Hope's Book and Resources (01:14:02) Hope discusses her memoir, "There's Still Hope," and shares where listeners can find her podcast and social media platforms. Powerful Quotes from the Episode Hope, "I lost my autonomy as a person. I had no sense of who Hope was or what Hope liked." Hope, "I knew that the kids deserved better. I knew that he deserved better. I knew that I deserved better." Hope, "I had a gut feeling, and I knew that if I went inside, he would have killed us all." Hope, "This is why we have two dead children, and we didn't have to have two murdered, dead children." Hope, "All of these things that failed me will not fail another family." RESOURCES: FOLLOW THE PODCAST: https://www.instagram.com/thatswhereimatpodcast/ INSTAGRAM: https://www.instagram.com/thatswhereimatpodcast/ COACH WITH LAURA: https://www.thatswhereimatpodcast.com/coachwithlaura MARRIED TO A "NICE" GUY: GETTING OVER NARCISSISTIC ABUSE: https://www.thatswhereimatpodcast.com/book-store JOIN THE NICE GUY RECOVERY COMMUNITY: https://www.skool.com/nice-guy-recovery-community-1517 FOLLOW HOPE: WEBSITE: linktr.ee/hopeinthepain BOOK: There's Still Hope https://a.co/d/0ggtCrtt INSTAGRAM: https://www.instagram.com/hope_in_the_pain FACEBOOK: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php/?id=61570891678957 TIK TOK: https://www.tiktok.com/@hope.in.the.pain YOUTUBE: https://www.youtube.com/@Hopeinthepain "All of these things that failed me will not fail another family." This podcast and its contents may not be used for training or developing AI systems without permission. Podcast Produced and edited by the team at ResilientVoiceMedia.com Contact us for expert podcast production and support.
In this episode of That's Where I'm At, host Laura interviews Stephanie, a publicist, event curator, storyteller, and host of Second Act Sessions. With more than 25 years of experience in brand and celebrity public relations, Stephanie has worked with recognized names including Martha Stewart, John Legend, Giada De Laurentiis, and Kevin Hart, while leading major campaigns, events, and cultural moments across New York, Boston, and Los Angeles. Stephanie also shares her deeply personal journey of surviving 13.5 years in a narcissistically abusive marriage, where emotional abuse gradually eroded her identity and led to isolation, financial dependence, and suicidal thoughts. After her marriage ended, she began rebuilding her life through healing, self-reflection, faith, and storytelling. Today, through Second Act Sessions, her writing, and her work as a speaker, Stephanie helps women navigate midlife, faith, healing, and reinvention—reminding them that an ending can become the beginning of a more honest and intentional life. Key Topics & Timestamps Podcast Introduction (00:00:38) Host Laura introduces the podcast's mission to share women's stories of healing from narcissistic abuse and breaking the silence. Guest Introduction: Stephanie (00:01:35) Laura introduces her guest, Stephanie, a publicist, storyteller, and host of the "Second Act Sessions" podcast. Stephanie's Story Begins (00:04:12) Stephanie shares her 13.5-year marriage to a narcissist, realizing the abuse only after the divorce through social media posts. The Nature of Emotional Abuse (00:05:10) Stephanie describes emotional abuse as a slow chipping away of the self, explaining why she stayed in the relationship. Lacking Self-Esteem (00:07:08) The hosts discuss how a lack of personal self-esteem and a need for external validation made them vulnerable. Losing Her Career and Identity (00:10:07) Stephanie explains how her ex-husband isolated her by moving them away from her successful career, making her financially dependent. The Narcissist's Double Standard (00:14:03) The hosts discuss the controlling behaviors, double standards, and constant monitoring that create a suffocating environment in the relationship. Chaos, Confusion, and Isolation (00:16:51) Laura and Stephanie discuss how narcissists use chaos and confusion to make you feel crazy and isolate you from support. Reaching a Breaking Point (00:19:18) Stephanie shares how the abuse led to suicidal thoughts and feeling completely broken at the end of her marriage. A Divine Intervention (00:22:22) Stephanie describes praying to God for help, and two weeks later, her husband asked for a divorce, starting her healing. Faith and Divorce (00:24:38) Stephanie discusses reconciling her Christian faith with divorce, realizing God doesn't want anyone to stay in an abusive marriage. Reconnecting with Faith (00:30:09) Stephanie explains how she abandoned her faith during her marriage but reconnected with God, which became her saving grace. Starting to Share Her Story (00:34:15) Stephanie talks about first opening up to friends, which validated her experience and led to launching her podcast. The Healing Journey is Not Linear (00:38:17) The hosts discuss that healing takes time, has many layers, and requires giving yourself grace without a specific timeline. How to Support a Friend (00:46:38) The hosts offer advice on how to support a friend in a narcissistic relationship by listening, validating, and praying. Writing a Memoir (00:51:41) Stephanie shares her journey of writing a book about her life, from being bullied to navigating midlife after divorce. Powerful Quotes from the Episode Stephanie, "Emotional abuse is so different because there are no bruises; you can't see it. What I found in my relationship was that it was a slow, gradual chipping away of myself." Stephanie, "I knew how to love someone else, but the problem I experienced was I didn't know how to love myself." Stephanie, "You start shrinking yourself in the marriage and almost don't realize it's happening until you get out of it and get some space to realize you are a shell of your former self." Stephanie, "Slowly, with every twist and turn, I'm getting more. I'm reclaiming myself and coming back to who I'm meant to be, who God wants me to be." Stephanie, "Be very patient with yourself. There is no timetable. You could be fine and happy one minute and crying the next, and that's okay. That is healing." RESOURCES: FOLLOW THE PODCAST: https://www.instagram.com/thatswhereimatpodcast/ INSTAGRAM: https://www.instagram.com/thatswhereimatpodcast/ COACH WITH LAURA: https://www.thatswhereimatpodcast.com/coachwithlaura MARRIED TO A "NICE" GUY: GETTING OVER NARCISSISTIC ABUSE: https://www.thatswhereimatpodcast.com/book-store JOIN THE NICE GUY RECOVERY COMMUNITY: https://www.skool.com/nice-guy-recovery-community-1517 FOLLOW STEPHANIE: WEBSITE: https://secondactsessions.com/ INSTAGRAM: https://www.instagram.com/stephaniefcarmody FACEBOOK: https://www.facebook.com/stephanie.figuracarmody X: https://x.com/secondactsesh?s=21&t=HFLPApyOcqY76oUCL7E4nQ YOUTUBE: https://www.youtube.com/@stephaniefcarmody "Be very patient with yourself. There is no timetable. That is healing." This podcast and its contents may not be used for training or developing AI systems without permission. Podcast Produced and edited by the team at ResilientVoiceMedia.com Contact us for expert podcast production and support.
In this episode of That's Where I'm At, host Laura interviews Ginger Kramer, a therapist, author, educator, and speaker passionate about helping women understand the emotional patterns that keep them stuck and find the confidence to move forward. Ginger shares insights from her 20+ years in therapy and her book Break the Anxiety Loop, exploring practical tools for managing anxiety, rebuilding self-trust after abuse, and navigating the emotional challenges of midlife transitions. Ginger emphasizes the power of taking baby steps, celebrating small wins, and using positive affirmations backed by personal evidence to rebuild confidence. She also discusses shadow work and the importance of making small daily decisions that help women reconnect with their true selves, reclaim their identity, and create healthier, more fulfilling lives after toxic relationships. Key Topics & Timestamps Podcast Introduction (00:00:38) Host Laura introduces the podcast's mission to help women heal by sharing stories and breaking the silence around their struggles. Content Warning (00:01:26) A brief warning is given that the episode may contain subjects that could be triggering for some listeners. Guest Introduction: Ginger Kramer (00:01:35) Host Laura introduces guest Ginger Kramer, a therapist and author specializing in emotional wellness, anxiety, and personal growth. Ginger's Background and Journey (00:03:34) Ginger discusses her 23-year therapy career, how selling skincare built her confidence, and her personal experience with anxiety. Breaking the Anxiety Loop (00:05:36) Ginger explains her hands-on therapy approach and the inspiration behind her book, which provides tools to manage the nervous system. The Power of Positive Self-Talk (00:11:06) Ginger shares a simple tool: using three positive phrases as a form of self-cheerleading to build confidence and move forward. Finding Proof for Affirmations (00:12:53) The importance of looking for real-life proof to validate affirmations is discussed, making them more effective than just repeating words. Keeping Healing Simple (00:15:20) Ginger advises against overwhelming oneself with big journals, suggesting instead to use scrap paper to track small, daily wins. Taking "Baby Steps" (00:16:49) Using the movie "What About Bob?" as an example, Ginger emphasizes the power of taking small, manageable steps during healing. Rebuilding Self-Trust in Midlife (00:18:28) The conversation shifts to the challenges women in midlife face, like empty nest syndrome, and how to rediscover themselves. Finding Your Path (00:21:34) Ginger explains that life has different chapters and encourages finding purpose and satisfaction in new passions, no matter how small. Revisiting Your Past Self (00:22:23) Instead of wanting to be who you were, identify the feelings from your past you want to reclaim now. Connecting Your Life's Thread (00:25:25) Ginger gives Laura homework to find the connecting thread between her past career and her current work with the podcast. A Therapist's Role (00:28:54) Ginger describes her role as helping clients see different perspectives and understand they can be whoever they want to be now. Trying New Things and Failing (00:31:12) The importance of trying new activities, building new neural pathways, and accepting failure as a necessary part of learning. Ginger's Workbooks and Action Guides (00:35:34) Ginger provides an overview of her published resources, including a 30-day skills book, a coloring book, and journals. Understanding Shadow Work (00:37:31) Shadow work is explained as a way to explore hidden or forgotten parts of yourself to become more well-rounded. Making Your Own Decisions (00:39:17) The speakers discuss the freedom and challenge of making personal choices after leaving a controlling relationship, starting with small things. Free Email Series (00:46:19) Ginger introduces her free 30-day email series, which offers daily guidance on managing anxiety and making personal changes. Conclusion and Final Thoughts (00:47:27) Ginger and Laura wrap up the conversation, encouraging listeners to share their stories and find their purpose in healing. Powerful Quotes from the Episode Ginger, "I get a lot of people going, "But I'm not really bad enough." It doesn't matter. If you hurt, then it's bad enough." Ginger, "You're not that person you were before; you can be whoever you want to be now." Ginger, "There's no decision that you make that you can't change." Laura, "My son asked me when I first got divorced, "Hey, do you want red or green enchiladas?" I was like, "I have no idea. I've never chosen."" Ginger, "It's scary, but you learn how to trust yourself by failing." RESOURCES: JOIN US AT THE TEA: https://www.eventbrite.com/e/1994887313656?aff=oddtdtcreator FOLLOW THE PODCAST: https://www.instagram.com/thatswhereimatpodcast/ INSTAGRAM: https://www.instagram.com/thatswhereimatpodcast/ COACH WITH LAURA: https://www.thatswhereimatpodcast.com/coachwithlaura MARRIED TO A "NICE" GUY: GETTING OVER NARCISSISTIC ABUSE: https://www.thatswhereimatpodcast.com/book-store JOIN THE NICE GUY RECOVERY COMMUNITY: https://www.skool.com/nice-guy-recovery-community-1517 FOLLOW GINGER: WEBSITE: https://gingerkramer.com/ FREEBIE: https://gingerkramer.com/free-guide INSTAGRAM: https://www.instagram.com/thecalmspacewithginger/ FACEBOOK: https://www.facebook.com/ginger.c.kramer YOUTUBE: https://www.youtube.com/@thecalmspacewithginger "Small steps, self-trust, and new choices can help you break the anxiety loop and rediscover who you are." AI Content Use Notice: This podcast and its contents may not be used for training or developing AI systems without permission. 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