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That Hoarder: Overcome Compulsive Hoarding
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Hoarding disorder is stigmatised and people who hoard feel vast amounts of shame. This podcast began life as an audio diary, an anonymous outlet for somebody with this weird condition. That Hoarder speaks about her experiences living with compulsive hoarding, she interviews therapists, academics, researchers, children of hoarders, professional organisers and influencers, and she shares insight and tips for others with the problem. Listened to by people who hoard as well as those who love them and those who work with them, Overcome Compulsive Hoarding with That Hoarder aims to shatter the stigma, share the truth and speak openly and honestly to improve lives.
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This week, let's revisit a brilliant conversation I had with money coach Paige Pritchard all about overspending, compulsive shopping, and resisting the urge to binge buy.
Get the full show notes and transcript here: https://www.overcomecompulsivehoarding.co.uk/podcast-ep-127-overcoming-overspending-with-paige-pritchard-money-coach/
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Reflecting on the journey from my terrified first recording to episode 200, I am talking today how speaking out brought connection, understanding, and a community I never thought possible. This episode is a letter to my past self, and it’s also to you. It’s honest about what’s changed, what’s still hard, and the unexpected power of not being alone.
If you’re struggling too, know you’re part of something bigger here.
Letter to Episode One Self
Emotional state during the podcast's inception (fear, isolation, shame)
Misconceptions about being alone with hoarding disorder
The unexpected journey and growth started by publishing the first episode
Early Understanding of Hoarding Disorder
Lack of knowledge about hoarding at the start
Pain of isolation and confusion
Limited exposure to terminology, research, and causes
Learning and Personal Growth Through the Podcast
Gained understanding about the science and psychology of hoarding
Insight into links with trauma, grief, ADHD, autism, and anxiety
Struggles and gradual improvements in managing inner critic
Realities of Recovery
No “quick fix” for hoarding disorder; non-linear progress
Importance of learning
Learning to discuss hard issues before they are resolved
Building a Community
Realisation of not being alone — over 400,000 plays
Listeners’ responses and the impact of shared stories
The growth of a supportive community, accountability calls, and new friendships
Challenging Shame and Secrecy
Confronting and gradually reducing shame through connection
The belief that shame was deserved begins to change
Disclosure of hoarding disorder to three real-life people and their supportive reactions
Helping Others Through Honest Sharing
Helps others feel less alone
Listeners gain courage, understanding, and the will to seek help
Gained Wisdom & Tools
Increased confidence, self-trust, and knowledge
Action, however small, is key to progress
Understanding that worth is not tied to cleanliness or orderliness
Recognition that recovery is more than just decluttering
Accepting Ongoing Struggles
Open acknowledgment that challenges persist
Emphasis on wisdom and resilience, not just results
Evolution as a Podcaster
Recognition of the podcast’s impact on the host and the community
Gratitude for guests and listeners
Encouragement to continue the journey, highlighting non-linearity and hope
Thanking podcast guests
Appreciation for both long-time and new listeners
Links
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Hoarding is far more complicated than just clutter - there are layers upon layers, from the visible stacks of possessions to the hidden emotional weight, old identities, and tangled feelings of shame and secrecy.
In this episode, I talk through what these layers actually look like, why they make healing and recovery so tough, and how recognising them can help us start to move forward.
It’s about giving an honest look at how hoarding really is, and offering a bit of encouragement and understanding for anyone living with it.
Layers in Hoarding Disorder
Explanation of the concept of "layers"
Recognition of complexity in hoarding and recovery
Importance of understanding layers for self-awareness and change
Physical Layers of Stuff
Sorting belongings as an “archaeological dig”
Stories and histories attached to different layers of possessions
Practical observations about layers:
Top layer: Most recent or most-used items
Middle layers: Mixture of older and neglected items, representing different life periods
Bottom layers: Emotionally complex, broken, or “buried” items
How physical layers inform decluttering decisions
Emotional Layers in Hoarding
Surface emotions: annoyance, sadness, irritability
Deeper emotions: anxiety, fear of making wrong choices
Core emotions: grief, trauma, feelings of unworthiness or inadequacy
Guilt, anger, disappointment, and how these mix together
The idea of layering additional distress (as per Carolyn Spring)
Differentiating unavoidable pain from added self-blame
Focusing on agency in managing additional emotional layers
Cascading Layers: When Problems Create More Problems
Examples of problems compounding:
Physical issues (like leaks) made worse due to hoarding
Social isolation leading to more depression and worsened hoarding
Administrative issues (unpaid bills leading to fines)
Cycle of increasing overwhelm and powerlessness
Compassion for oneself in recognising these cycles
Layers of Identity
Complexity of personal identity in relation to hoarding
Public vs. private identities
Former, current, and future self-identities
The impact of possessions on perceived identity (e.g., holding onto teaching materials)
The difference between authentic identity and identity tied to objects
Layers of Time
Holding onto items as connections to the past
Present consequences of hoarding: overwhelm, panic, paralysis
Future-oriented worries: fear of needing items later
Spaces/items “frozen in time,” keeping people anchored to the past
Reflection on who we want to be now and in the future
Layers of Shame and Secrecy
Shame and secrecy as invisible yet heavy “layers”
How secrecy takes energy and perpetuates shame
Impact of secrecy on relationships and daily interactions
Barriers to seeking help caused by shame and secrecy
The process of being more open about hoarding
Navigating and Addressing the Layers
Emphasis on not needing to resolve all layers at once
The process of recognising and being patient with layers
Importance of support systems and therapy
Identifying helpful (protective or wise) layers versus harmful ones
Themes of self-compassion and validation for the complexity of the experience
Rejecting simplistic advice to “just get rid of stuff”
The process is about understanding and self-acceptance
Encouragement to approach oneself with patience and compassion
Closing remarks and reminders about podcast resources and support options
Links
Carolyn Spring
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Today I’m talking about how being intentional - basically doing things on purpose rather than on autopilot - can genuinely reshape how we deal with hoarding and our stuff.
I’ll share how intentionality helps us pause, make better decisions, and treat ourselves with more compassion, rather than reacting on impulse or out of habit.
Plus, I’ll look at how setting small boundaries and choosing to rest on purpose can all be important aspects of real, lasting change.
The transformative power of intentionality.
Setting the stage: How being intentional relates to what we keep, acquire, or discard.
What is Intentionality and Why Does it Matter?
Definition: Acting with purpose, consciousness, and awareness.
Impact on self-perception: How intentional actions can improve self-esteem and self-compassion.
Increasing the distance between stimulus and response.
Agency and empowerment: Transition from reactive to deliberate decision-making.
Examples (nature walks, acquiring possessions): Using intentionality to shape experiences and choices.
Intentionality vs. Reactivity in Hoarding-Related Decisions
Reactive behaviours: Impulse acquisitions and the resulting feelings of regret.
Intentional decision-making process: Steps and self-questioning (e.g., Do I need this? Does this fit my values?).
Intentionality in Dehoarding
Emotional barriers: Overwhelm, panic, and high-stakes feelings in hoarding/dehoarding.
The value of starting small: Engaging in micro-decisions with thoughtfulness.
Shifting mindset: Moving from resentment (“I have to") to choice ("I choose to”).
Language and self-talk: The impact of words on perception and action.
Boundaries: Establishing and maintaining intentional rules for oneself (e.g., only buying clothing in your current size).
Intentional Habits, Rituals, and Boundaries
Creating structure: Using rituals (tea, meditation, rewards) to make dehoarding sessions purposeful.
Habitual vs. intentional choices: Challenging default behaviors (e.g., always keeping old birthday cards).
Self-reflection: Using intentionality to question long-standing personal rules.
Intentional Inaction: Choosing Not to Act
Recognising when rest is necessary: The difference between intentional rest and giving up.
Personal example: Planning for difficult days by intentionally not scheduling activities.
Self-compassion: Allowing yourself to rest without self-judgment.
Rest, Self-Care, and Challenging Productivity Myths
Importance of rest in the decluttering process.
Distinguishing between caring rest and avoidance.
Encouraging self-compassion and recognising limits.
Navigating Grey Areas in Intentionality
The challenge of self-deception: When “intentionality” masks hoarding justifications.
Tools for discernment: Grounded vs. anxiety-driven decisions.
Value alignment: Considering whether choices support personal values and goals.
Managing Setbacks and Self-Compassion
Responding to slip-ups: Viewing mistakes as data, not failure.
Problem-solving: Analysing triggers and adjusting future behaviour.
Avoiding all-or-nothing thinking: Reframing setbacks and maintaining momentum.
Building an Intentionality Practice
The ongoing nature of intentionality: It’s a skill developed over time.
Practical applications: Small daily decisions (e.g., washing dishes immediately).
Mindfulness: Checking in with thoughts, emotions, and physical sensations.
Encouragement: Be patient with yourself - progress, not perfection.
The cumulative power of intentional decisions.
Links
Episode about letting yourself half-arse it (#192)
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Today I’m talking about what it really takes to stick to our dehoarding decisions - how to resist urges, tolerate discomfort, and actually follow through, even when it’s tough. I’ll share why holding our nerve matters, what gets in the way, and some strategies to help avoid falling back into old patterns. Plus, there’s a practical top tip at the end to help boost your self-care this month.
Holding Our Nerve
Explanation of the gap between deciding to act and actually taking action when dehoarding
Definition in Hoarding Context
Persistence in sticking to healthy, productive decisions
Managing urges to revert to hoarding behaviours
Commitment to goals for sustainable progress
Reference to Amelia Earhart’s quote about decision-making and tenacity
“Paper tigers” explanation – things we fear that seem big but aren’t as powerful as they appear
Application to Hoarding Behaviour
Resisting Acquiring Items
Examples: bargain shopping, free items, online shopping temptations
Enduring Discomfort in Dehoarding
Tolerating emotional and physical discomfort during the dehoarding process
Maintaining Long-term Commitment
Remembering reasons for setting goals in the first place
Avoiding short-term gratification and honouring original decisions
Hoarding as a Coping Mechanism
Exploration of how and why hoarding behaviours develop and persist
Acknowledging that they once served a purpose and understanding possible current motivations
Strategies for Holding Our Nerve
Breaking the Cycle
Recognising urges and patterns
Learning from successes and setbacks
Decision-Making vs. Tenacity
Differentiating between difficulty in deciding versus following through
The importance of honouring previous decisions
Reminders and Motivation
Recalling the “why” behind goals (better living conditions, consequences, self-improvement)
Using motivational tools (e.g., visual reminders, Pinterest boards)
Compassion and Flexibility
Allowing for Mistakes
Emphasis on not seeking perfection, just consistent progress
Adjusting Expectations
Recognising that personal best varies from day to day
Trusting the process, even during discomfort
Building the “Dehoarding Muscle”
Each successful decision builds strength and determination for future efforts
Identifying and Addressing Triggers
Internal Triggers
Decision fatigue, emotional attachment, mental and physical exhaustion, anxiety or depression
Self-doubt and “what if I need it?” thoughts
External Triggers
Specific shops, websites, sales, or social pressure from others
Discouragement, overwhelm, enticing offers, or resistance from people uncomfortable with change
Planning Around Triggers
Identifying personal stumbling blocks and creating plans to avoid or counteract them
Coping Tactics for Urges
Acknowledgment & Self-Reflection
Naming feelings and urges to reduce their power
Recognising patterns and underlying needs (e.g., hunger, mood)
Nervous System Regulation
Using grounding techniques, calming objects, self-talk, and other anxiety-management tools
Allowing oneself to feel discomfort without acting on it
Dealing with “What If I Need It?” Thoughts
Trusting future self to be resourceful
Breaking down hypothetical worries and seeking alternatives
Importance of Support Systems
Building and Using Support Networks
Therapists, friends, accountability groups (Zoom sessions), online communities
Support as both emotional (crying, laughing) and practical (advice, checks on decisions)
Loneliness and Variations in Support
Recognition that not everyone has support, with encouragement to proactively seek help
Mention of a related episode on loneliness
Self-Compassion and Learning from Setbacks
Self-forgiveness and Reflection
Importance of forgiving oneself instead of engaging in self-punishment
Analysing situations where nerve was lost to prevent future recurrences
Practical Planning
Strategies for managing triggers, such as only shopping with someone else or removing items quickly
Links
Podcast ep 196: Trusting our future selves to be resourceful with Dr Jan Eppingstall
Podcast episode 174: How to feel grounded when we’re overwhelmed or dysregulated using ventral vagal spaces and touchstones, with Dr Jan Eppingstall
Podcast ep 49: Sitting with discomfort: distress tolerance and hoarding – How unconscious distress avoidance might be worsening your problems
Podcast ep 190: What if we forgive ourselves, but now we know better, we do better? Choosing compassion over shame in hoarding disorder
Podcast ep 130: Loneliness and hoarding with Vassia Sarantopoulou: build human connections and combat hoarding-related shame
Action for Happiness calendar
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This episode, I’m joined by Dr Jan Eppingstall to talk about why so many of us who hoard struggle to trust our future selves to cope without keeping everything “just in case.”
We get into how doubts about our own resourcefulness and fears about scarcity keep us stuck, and share practical ways to build confidence in our ability to handle whatever comes next.
If you’ve ever worried you won’t manage without every single spare part or backup item, this conversation’s for you.
Trusting Our Future Selves to Be Resourceful
The psychological struggle of believing in one’s ability to cope without keeping everything
Personal anecdotes from the host about surprise resourcefulness
Exploration of cognitive distortions surrounding trust in future adaptability
Resourcefulness in Hoarding Behaviour
Contradiction: Resourceful justifications for keeping items vs. fear of not being resourceful if they’re discarded
The role of loss aversion and catastrophic scarcity thinking
Imagining multiple uses for broken items versus inability to visualise coping without them
The ‘Just in Case’ Myth
Reading and analysis of Ru Kotryna’s Instagram post on ‘just in case’ keeping
Discussion of how this reflects distrust in future self
Emotional impacts: fear of change, sufficiency, and facing the future without backup
How Distrust in Future Selves Manifests in Hoarding
‘Insurance hoarding’ and duplicate/back-up keeping
Information hoarding for fear of forgetting needed details
Emotional insecurity and sense of powerlessness
Host’s personal examples (nature as a self-soothing tool and fear of its impermanence)
Navigating Ephemerality and Change
Conversation about the fleeting nature of things and the difficulty in accepting impermanence
Reflection on attempts to freeze time by hoarding
Behaviours and Thoughts Stemming from Lack of Self-Trust
Executive function issues (planning, organisation, working memory)
Trauma and past experiences of genuine scarcity
Shame and immediate anxiety-reduction through keeping
Avoidance and ‘comfort objects’ as safety strategies
Psychological Mechanisms Behind ‘I Don’t Trust Future Me’
Discontinuity between current and future self
Impact of ADHD and perimenopause on executive functioning and time perception
Cognitive gaps between imagining needs and recalling/locating stored things
Irony of ‘preparedness’ leading to greater unpreparedness
Building Trust in Future Resourcefulness
The value of journalling resourceful moments
Small experiments: let go of duplicates and record how needs are met afterward
Reviewing past examples of having coped or improvised successfully
Consumerism and the Illusion of Solutions
Attraction to gadgets and solutions for perceived problems
The sunk cost fallacy and struggles to let go
Owning up to aspirational or impulse purchases and being flexible in letting go if they don't work
Scarcity Thinking and Its Long-Term Effects
Personal stories of genuine scarcity and the enduring fear it creates
How fear of not having enough directs attention to objects as solutions, rather than inner resourcefulness
Difficulty breaking the object-focused habit even after circumstances change
Breaking the Pattern: Psychological Approaches in Therapy
Building evidence of existing skills and resourcefulness
Addressing deeper self-worth issues and messages from childhood
The importance of social connections, seeking help, and curiosity
The Power and Pitfall of Backup Systems
Possessions as emotional and practical backup
Drawback: Items often become inaccessible or forgotten
The paradox of keeping as “preparation” that often fails in practice due to volume and executive dysfunction
Strengthening Connection with Future Self
Using ACT techniques and self-compassion
Treating your future self like a friend and planning for their needs
Internal monologues about preparing spaces and making life easier for future-you
Alternative Pathways to Security and Preparedness
Community and social resource sharing (borrowing, lending among friends/family)
Developing adaptability, self-confidence, and skills rather than accumulating more items
Experimenting with minimalism and embracing uncertainty
Actionable Steps for Building Trust in Resourcefulness
Saying “I’ll figure it out when I need to”
Experimenting with running out of non-critical supplies
Documenting and reflecting on resourceful problem-solving
Letting go of low-risk items and noticing outcomes
The reminder that listeners have survived all past problems resourcefully
Encouragement to recognise and trust personal growth and capabilities
Emphasis on learning, adaptability, and present-focused living
Links
The Ru Kotryna Instagram post that inspired this episode
Podcast ep 183: ADHD, executive dysfunction and creating hacks and systems to reduce clutter chaos, with Carrie Lagerstedt
Come to a Dehoarding Accountability Zoom session: Accountability Booking Form
Dr Jan Eppingstall at Stuffology
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I really hope to be back with new episodes for you next week but, in the meantime, enjoy this incredible conversation with Dr Jan Eppingstall all about executive function, executive dysfunction, and hoarding.
Find the show notes and episode transcript here: https://www.overcomecompulsivehoarding.co.uk/podcast-ep-112-executive-function-executive-dysfunction-and-hoarding-with-dr-jan-eppingstall/
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Today, as we go into the weekend (and it's a long weekend here in the UK), get some ideas for weekend-shaped dehoarding tasks you can really get your teeth into.
Find the full show notes and transcript here: https://www.overcomecompulsivehoarding.co.uk/podcast-ep-90-23-dehoarding-tasks-you-can-achieve-in-a-weekend/
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"Really early on, I was like, this isn't about the stuff. This just isn't about the stuff." - Tracy McCubbin.
Today, we’re revisiting this episode with podcast favourite Tracy McCubbin, about being the child of a hoarder and becoming a professional organiser.
Find the full show notes and transcript here: https://www.overcomecompulsivehoarding.co.uk/podcast-ep-78-from-child-of-a-hoarder-to-professional-organiser-an-interview-with-tracy-mccubbin/
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Today, we’re revisiting this episode with the inimitable Dr Jan Eppingstall about how grief, bereavement and loss are often knitted into hoarding disorder.
Find the full show notes and transcript here: https://www.overcomecompulsivehoarding.co.uk/podcast-ep-63-grief-and-loss-and-hoarding-with-dr-jan-eppingstall-of-stuffology/
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Today, we're revisiting this episode with the wonderful Jo Cooke from Hoarding Disorders UK about chronic disorganisation, what it has in common with hoarding, and how it differs. Find the full show notes and transcript here: https://www.overcomecompulsivehoarding.co.uk/podcast-ep-139-chronic-disorganisation-with-jo-cooke-of-hoarding-disorders-uk/
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Why is it so hard to deal with uncertainty, and what does that have to do with hoarding? This week I’m joined by Dr Jan Eppingstall to unpack how our brains handle ambiguity, why fear of making mistakes can keep us stuck, and how intolerance of uncertainty feeds into hoarding behaviours. We break down practical ways to build up your tolerance for not knowing and share some strategies that might actually make a difference.
Uncertainty and Its Challenges
Definition and context of uncertainty
Evolutionary reasons for discomfort with uncertainty (Selfish Brain Theory)
Contrast between historical resource scarcity and modern abundance
Our minds’ outdated ways of managing uncertainty
Cognitive Closure
What is cognitive closure?
Difference between cognitive closure (psychological need for definite answers) and “closure” in pop culture (emotional resolution)
How it relates to need for certainty in present/future, not just past events
The creation of cognitive closure measurement scales by researchers
Factors influencing need for cognitive closure:
Personality traits: Conscientiousness, neuroticism (now called emotionality), openness to experience, extroversion
Trauma history and its effects on the nervous system
Neurodivergence (with emphasis on autism and “sticky thinking”)
Combination of personality, trauma, and neurodivergence
Intolerance of Uncertainty
Psychological definition of intolerance of uncertainty
Negative cognitive bias: How it affects perception and response
Manifestations in people experiencing uncertainty as distress
Its direct relevance to hoarding behaviours
The Link Between Hoarding Disorder and Intolerance of Uncertainty
Research findings: intolerance of uncertainty as a predictor of hoarding symptom severity
Usefulness in early intervention strategies
intolerance of uncertainty as a transdiagnostic factor (across anxiety, some depression, and other mental health conditions)
How heightened anxiety sensitivity in hoarding perpetuates avoidance
Experiential avoidance in hoarding (saving and acquiring behaviours)
Connection between maladaptive behaviours and intolerance of uncertainty
Fear of Making Mistakes and Perfectionism
Common fears of mistakes in hoarding (disposing, acquiring, putting things away)
Perfectionism’s role (fear of failure, not wasting)
All-or-nothing thinking and rigid decision-making rules
Paralysing effect of avoidance due to fear of mistakes
Not making a decision as a potential mistake itself
Interaction and reinforcement between perfectionism and intolerance of uncertainty
Comorbidity and Severity
Research on multiple diagnoses: More than half of psychiatric patients have more than one diagnosis
Diagnostic challenges and overlapping criteria
How comorbidity compounds issues: More symptoms and more complexity
Higher intolerance of uncertainty linked with more severe hoarding, especially when other conditions are present
Impact on treatment difficulty
intolerance of uncertainty’s Impact on Acquiring and Discarding Behaviours
How acquiring reduces fear of missing out and future needs
Difficulty discarding as protection against future regret
Shame around mistake-making
Common inner questions: Future use, responsibility, relationships
More complexity leading to more avoidance
Nuances in intolerance of uncertainty and Hoarding
Study on sub-factors of uncertainty:
Factor 1: Negative self-referential implications (linked to hoarding severity)
Factor 2: Perception of uncertainty as unfair (not linked)
Internal vs. external perspectives on uncertainty
Relevance of anxiety-driven self-criticism
Changing Relationship to Uncertainty: Curiosity and Reframing
Rilke’s quote on “loving the questions”
Transforming approach from fear to curiosity
Curiosity as a therapeutic tool
Creativity in imagining alternatives and solutions
Relevance of loss aversion and cognitive biases
Modern Life and Uncertainty Intolerance
Research linking increased use of technology (instant answers) to rising intolerance of uncertainty
Smartphone/information overload and decreased tolerance “muscle”
Relevance to hoarding (desire for backups, information saving)
Example: IMDb, screenshots, saving digital info
Treatment Strategies
Cognitive Behavioural Therapy (CBT) effects on intolerance of uncertainty in anxiety
Acceptance and Commitment Therapy (ACT) and exposure-based methods: Pros and cons
Importance of a therapist experienced in error-related distress and uncertainty
Key skills: Observing distress, sitting with uncomfortable feelings, gradual exposure
Self-help approaches:
Reframing mistakes as learning
Practicing self-compassion
Values-based decision-making
Systematic exposure to small errors
Gradually breaking rigid rules (e.g., waste, tidiness)
Recognising individual differences and seeking appropriate support
Embracing Mistakes and Humanity
Learning from therapist/client anecdotes
Cultural expectations around perfectionism vs. real human messiness
How mistakes can be positive or even entertaining
Letting go of the need for perfection
The Four Cs for Managing Uncertainty
From Elizabeth Weingarten: Curiosity, Conversation, Community, Commitment
How to foster each:
Curiosity: Approach with questions and exploration
Conversation: Discuss uncertainties with trusted people
Community: Build social support
Commitment: Dedication to exploring questions and knowing when to let go
Links
Hillman, S. R. HOARDING DISORDER AND Intolerance of Uncertainty, Anxiety Sensitivity and Distress Tolerance in Hoarding Disorder Compared to OCD and Healthy Controls - Shemariah R. Hillman; Claire L. Lomax; Nadeen Khaleel; Theresa R. Smith; James D. Gregory
Baldwin, P. A Multimethod Examination of Vulnerability in Hoarding, UNSW Sydney, 2016. https://doi.org/10.26190/UNSWORKS/19156
Castriotta, N.; Dozier, M. E.; Taylor, C. T.; Mayes, T.; Ayers, C. R. Intolerance of Uncertainty in Hoarding Disorder. Journal of Obsessive-Compulsive and Related Disorders 2019, 21, 97–101. https://doi.org/10.1016/j.jocrd.2018.11.005
Exploring Humanity’s Relationship to Uncertainty with Elizabeth Weingarten
Podcast ep 49: Sitting with discomfort: distress tolerance and hoarding – How unconscious distress avoidance might be worsening your problems
Podcast ep 190: What if we forgive ourselves, but now we know better, we do better? Choosing compassion over shame in hoarding disorder
Podcast ep 182: What are “towards and away moves” and what on earth do they have to do with hoarding recovery? With Dr Jan Eppingstall
Podcast ep 127: Overcoming overspending with Paige Pritchard, Money Coach
Come to a Dehoarding Accountability Zoom session: Accountability Booking Form
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Today, let's revisit this episode with 31 things you can dehoard today if you're stuck and don't know where to start. You can find the full episode transcript and show notes here.
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Transformation and comfort rarely go hand in hand, especially when it comes to overcoming compulsive hoarding.
In this episode, I talk honestly about why making real change means facing discomfort, based on a quote from Healing Justice London that “transformation and comfort do not live in the same house”.
I challenge us to identify the difference between familiarity and comfort, and share practical ways to push through those tough moments - because growth comes from getting a bit uncomfortable.
If you’re tired of mistaking chaos for comfort, this one’s for you.
“Transformation and comfort do not live in the same house” (Healing Justice London)
The universal truth behind the idea
The necessity of discomfort for real transformation
Discomfort Versus Comfort in the Hoarding Context
Familiarity as a source of “comfort” for those who hoard
Risks of equating familiarity with true comfort
The need for change and its inherent discomfort
Examples of positive outcomes after embracing discomfort
The Reality of Discomfort in Dehoarding
Emotional and physical challenges of dehoarding
Potential for overwhelming feelings and anxiety
Catastrophising and perfectionism surrounding decision-making
Emotional toll of letting go and possible identity implications
Acknowledgement that discomfort does not mean failure
Familiarity Versus Authentic Comfort
Distinction between feeling comfortable and something being familiar
The false sense of control and security provided by clutter
The actual consequences of living in a hoarded home:
Physical hazards (tripping, blocked access, risk in emergencies)
Social isolation and shame
Lack of practical comfort (e.g., not sleeping in one’s own bed)
The hidden, ongoing “slow burn” of stress and discomfort
Motivation and Community
Importance of recognising the true discomfort of living with hoarding
Community connections via the podcast and accountability Zoom sessions
Methods to share resources and reduce isolation
Reframing Discomfort as Growth
Viewing discomfort as a sign of progress rather than a warning
The parallel discomforts of both dehoarding and continuing to hoard
Making conscious choices between competing difficulties
Strategies for Managing Discomfort
Taking small, manageable steps to build resilience
Being gentle and compassionate with oneself during the process
Reaching out for support (friends, family, therapist, peer groups)
The use and benefit of accountability sessions
The Broader Benefits of Transformation
Improved physical space and wellbeing
Increased self-confidence and pride
Better relationships and decreased shame
Regaining practical functionality and freedom at home
Enhanced overall quality of life
Practical Suggestions and Further Resources
Trying a small, uncomfortable but positive task today
References to previous episodes for deeper exploration:
Sitting with discomfort and distress tolerance (Episode 49)
Building resilience (Episode 70 with Dr. Jan Eppingstall)
Links
Podcast ep 190: What if we forgive ourselves, but now we know better, we do better? Choosing compassion over shame in hoarding disorder
Podcast ep 49: Sitting with discomfort: distress tolerance and hoarding – How unconscious distress avoidance might be worsening your problems
Podcast ep 70: Resilience and hoarding with Dr Jan Eppingstall of Stuffology
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In this episode, I unpack the myth of laziness and why it’s such a damaging label for people with hoarding disorder.
I’ll break down how blaming ourselves or others for being “lazy” ignores the real barriers - like overwhelm, poor mental health, executive dysfunction and more - and just piles on more shame.
Let’s get honest about what’s actually holding us back and why reframing this idea matters.
The Myth of Laziness in Relation to Hoarding
Revisiting a previous episode’s question: Are hoarders lazy?
Arguments against the idea (hoarded homes require more energy to live in, etc.)
The aversion to external intervention reveals deeper issues than laziness
Societal attitudes towards rest and productivity
Internalised and external accusations of laziness
The damaging effects: shame, isolation, distress
Understanding Hoarding as a Mental Health Issue
Hoarding as a coping method for difficult emotions
Judgments of laziness overlook the disorder’s complexity and nuance
Such labels add barriers to seeking help and reinforce stigma
Consequences of Labelling People who Hoard (or Ourselves) as Lazy
Shame and self-criticism deepen the problem
Laziness as a simplistic explanation that ignores underlying issues
Possible root causes: executive dysfunction, decision-making difficulties, emotional attachment to items, avoidance, depression, physical disability, etc.
The Harmful Cultural Narrative Around Laziness
Societal pressures to be constantly productive
Inaccuracies of the “we all have the same 24 hours” myth
Differences in time and capability due to systemic inequalities
Examples: physical ability, mental health, neurodivergence, responsibilities, discrimination
Moral and Social Implications of the “Lazy” Label
Care tasks are morally neutral (reference to KC Davis, episode 82)
The negative cycle: shame leads to paralysis, makes it harder to seek help and make progress
Laziness label used as a justification for lack of societal support
Political and social consequences for marginalised groups
Importance of community, support, and helping each other
The Danger of Linking Self-Worth to Productivity
The toxic culture of non-stop productivity and hustling
Problems with feeling guilty for resting
The spiral of self-worth being tied to continuous output
The Limiting Nature of the Laziness Concept
It shuts down further exploration of underlying problems
Missed opportunities for self-compassion, empathy, and effective assistance
Underlying Reasons for Struggles That Are Mistaken for Laziness
Lack of motivation: exhaustion, depression, overwhelm
Overwhelm due to the scale of the task
Executive dysfunction (planning, initiating, processing tasks)
Fear (of the process, of making wrong decisions, of consequences)
Fatigue, burnout, and mental health struggles
Being practically or emotionally stuck, lacking skills or knowledge
Societal Structures and Individual Blame
Blame placed on individuals ignores wider systemic and commercial influences
Industries profit from reinforcing personal inadequacy (beauty industry analogy, storage solutions)
The cycle of self-blame, shame, and attempts to “fix” via consumerism
Breaking the Cycle and Moving Forward
Recognising the myth of laziness enables real progress
Compassion, curiosity, and support as healthier responses
Encouragement for self-acceptance and seeking genuine solutions
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Links
Podcast ep 57: Are hoarders lazy? I think you’d be surprised…
Podcast ep 82: Dehoarding when you’re drowning with KC Davis of Struggle Care
Podcast ep 112: Executive function, executive dysfunction and hoarding with Dr Jan Eppingstall
Podcast ep 186: 10 executive dysfunction tips and tricks to help people who hoard, whether we have ADHD or are neurodivergent or not – Hoarding Awareness Week 2025
Podcast ep 183: ADHD, executive dysfunction and creating hacks and systems to reduce clutter chaos, with Carrie Lagerstedt
Podcast ep 162: From Fibble to Focus: Defibble your executive dysfunction with Jo Cavalot
Podcast ep 188: 12 ways to make decision-making easier (and why people who hoard find it so hard to make decisions in the first place!)
Podcast ep 139: Chronic disorganisation with Jo Cooke of Hoarding Disorders UK
Podcast ep 107: Things that look like hoarding but aren’t: ADHD, depression, autism, OCD, OCPD and more
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Today I’m talking about why letting yourself make mistakes - like running out of everyday items or doing things imperfectly - can actually help if you’re struggling with hoarding.
From challenging perfectionism to rethinking the fear of scarcity, I’ll share how embracing messiness can move us forward. Plus, I’ll offer practical ideas for easing those fears and making progress, one small, imperfect step at a time.
Announcement of new dates for Dehoarding Accountability Zoom Sessions.
Aimed at connecting people who hoard for conversation and simultaneous decluttering.
Details on how to get tickets and availability through several upcoming months.
The Value of Making Mistakes
Challenging the idea of perfection and fear of making mistakes.
Proposing the benefits of allowing oneself to:
Make more mistakes.
Run out of things occasionally.
Do things imperfectly or “half-arsed.”
Identifying how fear of mistakes and perfectionism can keep people stuck in hoarding behaviours.
Perfectionism and Fear of Scarcity
Perfectionism:
Fear of making the “wrong” decision leads to inaction or keeping everything.
Uncertainty about the future and anxiety about discarding items.
All-or-nothing thinking: If it can't be done perfectly, it’s not worth starting.
Personal reflection on the struggle with perfectionist tendencies.
Fear of Scarcity:
“Keep it just in case” mentality.
Stemming from past experiences of poverty or deprivation.
How personal history and upbringing foster scarcity-based behaviours.
Recognition that such fears can be irrational and still hold significant power.
How this fear leads to over-acquisition and reluctance to discard.
Addressing Perfectionism and Scarcity (Mindset Shifts)
Techniques to gently challenge perfectionism and scarcity fears.
Reframing mistakes as learning opportunities rather than failures.
Allowing for experimentation as a method of progress.
Embracing Mistakes as a Path Forward
Learning from mistakes as a source of growth and behaviour change.
Normalising occasional regrets over discarding or not acquiring something.
Comparing the cost of keeping everything versus the occasional “mistake.”
Observing emotional responses to mistakes as a way to learn and build decision-making confidence.
Encouragement to start with low-risk decisions and build up “dehoarding muscle” gradually.
Allowing Things to be Done Imperfectly
Encouragement to “do things badly” rather than waiting for perfect execution.
“Done is better than perfect” as a motivating principle.
The danger of all-or-nothing thinking leading to perpetual inaction.
Practical examples of doing small tasks imperfectly:
Tackling a small part of a larger problem (e.g., half a shelf).
Donating a partial bag of items.
Taking any step forward, even imperfect ones, counts as progress.
Allowing Yourself to Run Out of Things
Creative and resourceful solutions arise when supplies run low.
Examples from daily life (cooking, art journalling) where scarcity breeds creativity.
Differentiates between essential items and those where running out is an acceptable risk.
Suggestions for consciously assessing what’s truly necessary to keep in stock.
Experimental Mindset: Treating Dehoarding as Data Collection
Each decision - successful or not - provides valuable data for future choices.
Building confidence and capability for bigger, more challenging decluttering decisions over time.
Summary and Reinforcement of Key Points
Allow for imperfection, mistakes, and occasional scarcity.
Importance of starting with manageable steps and celebrating imperfect progress.
“Done is better than perfect”—taking action, however small, is crucial.
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Links
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Feeling defeated by dehoarding? I’ve been there, and I’m trying to get out of it, so in this episode I unpack what’s really behind that sense of hopelessness, breaking it down into manageable pieces, and sharing practical steps for moving forward - even when it all feels impossible. If you’re stuck, overwhelmed, or just too tired to start, you’re not alone. So let’s talk about some concrete things you can try.
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Feeling Defeated by Dehoarding
Host’s recent struggle with feeling defeated and hopeless
Common reasons for feeling defeated:
The enormity of the task
Personal life challenges and lack of time
Breaking down what “defeated” means for individuals
Self-Reflection and Identifying Obstacles
Using self-questioning techniques inspired by CBT
Listing and mapping out the causes of defeat on paper
Examples of personal obstacles:
Fatigue and physical health
Difficulty concentrating
Emotional overwhelm and stress
Shame and self-blame
Sense of impossibility
Breaking Down Barriers and Theme Identification
Categorising specific reasons for defeat
Writing actionable notes beside each challenge
Strategies for managing each obstacle:
Sleep hygiene and physical health maintenance
Working on self-compassion and challenging self-blame
Supporting concentration and mental health through self-care
Trial and error with productivity and to-do lists
Coping with Overwhelm
Recognising overwhelm as a rational but paralysing response
Techniques for reducing overwhelm:
Breaking tasks into tiny, actionable steps
Focusing on achievable mini-goals
Reframing "impossible" goals into manageable actions
Addressing Stress
How personal and environmental stress feeds into defeat
Practical strategies:
Tackling smaller, actionable tasks to relieve work/personal stress
Honest communication with peers, family, and colleagues about overwhelm
Accepting that some sources of stress require long-term coping rather than immediate solutions
Tackling the Sense of Impossibility
Recognising the vagueness of the feeling
Returning to self-analysis to clarify what specifically feels impossible
Using accumulated small improvements to chip away at the larger sense of defeat
Dealing with Overwhelm and Taking Breaks
Granting oneself intentional breaks to refresh perspective without guilt
Comparing dehoarding effort to the need for breaks in work life
Re-evaluating Plans and Expectations
Assessing the effectiveness of current strategies and goals
Adapting goals to current capacity and circumstances
Seeking external feedback and community support
The Importance of Support Systems
Nurturing and expanding support from peers, professionals, and loved ones
Recognising where additional support is needed
Celebrating Small Wins
The importance of acknowledging tiny victories
Suggestions for gentle self-recognition and reward
Recording achievements for self-motivation
Links
Podcast ep 190: What if we forgive ourselves, but now we know better, we do better? Choosing compassion over shame in hoarding disorder
Podcast episode 174: How to feel grounded when we’re overwhelmed or dysregulated using ventral vagal spaces and touchstones, with Dr Jan Eppingstall
Podcast ep 160: Dehoarding with the seasons: get inspired by nature when everything is overwhelming
Podcast ep 16: Dealing with overwhelm
Podcast ep 127: Overcoming overspending with Paige Pritchard, Money Coach
Financial Confessions podcast
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Today I’m looking at what happens if we forgive ourselves for past hoarding behaviours, why we maybe should, and how we can actually use that insight to make better choices and move forward. I talk honestly about the shame and guilt that keeps so many of us stuck. There’s some reflection on the roots of hoarding, the importance of self-compassion, and why hating ourselves into action just doesn’t work - plus a few practical suggestions for anyone trying to make a change, no matter where you’re starting from.
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Forgiving Ourselves but Doing Better
Exploration of guilt and shame related to hoarding and feeling overwhelmed.
Reflection on self-blame, regret, and paralysis it can cause.
Catholic upbringing: Confession, forgiveness, and the importance of genuine intent to change.
Recognition that hoarding often stems from trauma, loss, fear, anxiety, or neurodivergence.
Discussion of cause and effect - influences behind hoarding behavior.
Emphasis that hoarders are not lazy or bad people, but in a complex situation.
The cycle of self-judgement and the importance of self-compassion as an antidote to shame.
Practical advice: Treat oneself with the compassion you’d offer others, challenging negative self-talk.
How self-criticism can demotivate and hinder progress.
Comparison: Encouraging someone else is more effective than berating oneself.
Understanding mistakes, taking responsibility, and making amends when possible.
The importance of learning from past experiences and committing to doing better.
Practical Strategies for Moving Forward
Suggestions for emotional and action-oriented progress:
Journalling or talking to someone about feelings.
Looking back with compassion to identify patterns and triggers.
Start dehoarding by breaking tasks into small steps.
Avoiding perfectionism; celebrating any progress.
Reference to "towards and away moves" from episode 182 with Dr. Jan Eppingstall.
Identifying values and making choices that align with them.
Finding support from therapists, friends, family, support groups, or accountability sessions.
Acknowledgement that forgiving oneself is challenging but necessary for progress.
Emphasising persistence, compassion, and learning from mistakes.
Encouragement and Validation
Recognition of listeners at various stages of their journey - starting, struggling, making progress, or just listening for now.
Assurance that small steps count and everyone is doing their best.
Emphasis that listeners are not alone.
Links
Podcast ep 181: Past influences and future possibilities: cause and effect and hoarding disorder (plus Podcasthon)
Podcast ep 95: Shame and hoarding with Professor Luna Dolezal
Podcast ep 182: What are “towards and away moves” and what on earth do they have to do with hoarding recovery? With Dr Jan Eppingstall
The Gray Area podcast
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This week I’m joined by Dr Jan Eppingstall to talk about scaffolding - what it means, how it helps with hoarding recovery, and why our needs for support change over time.
We break down practical, emotional, and motivational scaffolding, from therapy and peer support to self-made systems and the way we talk to ourselves.
If you’ve ever wondered how to find the right kind of help without feeling stuck with it forever, this is the episode for you.
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Explanation of Scaffolding and the Zone of Proximal Development
Definition of scaffolding from educational psychology.
Origins in Lev Vygotsky’s work: helping people accomplish tasks with support.
Relevance to hoarding and recovery.
Application of Scaffolding to Hoarding Recovery
Psychological, cognitive, and emotional elements in hoarding.
Physical and organisational skill deficits in people who hoard.
Differences and interplay between psychological barriers and practical skills.
Illustrating support levels: from high assistance to independence.
Personal examples demonstrating that support needs can resurface over time.
The Changing Nature of Scaffolding
Scaffolding shifts in form and amount as people progress or encounter setbacks.
Individualisation: What’s supportive for one may not be for another.
Types of Scaffolding for Hoarding Recovery
External supports: therapists, peers, coaches.
Direct instruction and physical assistance.
Environmental modifications.
Tools and resources.
Social encouragement and accountability.
Assessing current functioning.
Matching support to challenge level (not too easy, not too hard).
Gradually reducing support as independence grows.
Scaffolding for Neurodivergent Individuals
Adjustments for ADHD:
Shorter work periods, built-in breaks.
Accountability partners and visual reminders/checklists.
Adjustments for Autism:
Predictable routines.
Clear rules and decision trees.
Sensory-friendly environments.
Executive Function Challenges and Tailored Scaffolding
Strategies like breaking down decisions, using templates, "parking lot" systems for deferred decisions.
Recognising that executive function can be context-specific and fluctuate.
Importance of Emotional Scaffolding
Emotional regulation during dehoarding.
Need for self-soothing and distress-tolerance skills as support is reduced.
Informal and Internal Scaffolding
Peer support, self-talk, problem solving, reminders.
Adapting systems in the home as a supportive structure.
Habituation and Evolvement of Support Systems
Reminder fatigue and strategies to combat it (rotating formats, colours, locations).
The necessity for systems to evolve as needs and effectiveness change.
Mindset Shifts and Realistic Expectations
Acceptance that supports may need to be re-engaged during crises or setbacks.
Not viewing return to scaffolding as failure - progress and healing aren’t linear.
Testing assumptions about personal limitations.
Re-evaluating and Customising Support
Creating, testing, and modifying practical systems in the home with or without outside perspective.
Recognising the value of trying new strategies even if initial skepticism exists.
Links
Zone of Proximal Development
The Metaphor of Scaffolding: Its Utility for the Field of Learning Disabilities, Stone, C. Addison, Journal of Learning Disabilities, 0022-2194, July 1, 1998, Vol. 31, Issue 4
Podcast ep 183: ADHD, executive dysfunction and creating hacks and systems to reduce clutter chaos, with Carrie Lagerstedt
Money Love podcast
Podcast ep 127: Overcoming overspending with Paige Pritchard, Money Coach
Come to a Dehoarding Accountability Zoom session: Accountability Booking Form
Dr Jan Eppingstall at Stuffology
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Decision-making can be a huge stumbling block when you’re trying to tackle hoarding, from cognitive overload to perfectionism and decision fatigue. In this episode, I unpack why making choices about our belongings feels so overwhelming, what can go wrong if we avoid it, and I share practical strategies to make the process more manageable. If you find yourself stuck in analysis paralysis or endlessly putting off decisions, this one’s for you.
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Introduction to Decision Making and Hoarding
Decision making as a common issue among hoarders
Overwhelm and avoidance connected to belongings and acquiring new items
Episode aims: understanding why decision making is hard, consequences of indecision, and strategies to help
Why Decision Making is Difficult for People Who Hoard
Cognitive Overload
Too many items to process, making each choice feel monumental
Resulting in avoidance and deferral of decisions
Accumulation due to unresolved decisions
Analysis Paralysis
Being stuck analysing endless options and outcomes
Difficulty prioritising and overthinking decisions
Exhaustion from mental effort
Information Processing Challenges
Trouble prioritising urgency and importance
Struggling to filter necessary versus unnecessary information
Being trapped in unresolvable decision loops
Emotional Barriers
Perfectionism and fear of making the wrong decision
Catastrophising possible negative outcomes
All-or-nothing thinking relating to perfectionism
Sentimental Attachment
Struggles with emotional connection to items (gifts, memories)
Difficulty discerning genuine sentimental value
Fear of the Future
Anxiety about future need or regret causing paralysis
Preference for clinging to items over risking discomfort
Executive Function Challenges
Difficulties with planning, organising, prioritising, and initiating tasks
Impact of poor working memory on decision making
Consequences of Avoiding Decisions
Vicious Cycle of Procrastination
Accumulation of clutter, increased overwhelm and fatigue
Practical Implications
Safety hazards and restricted home usage
Social isolation and relationship strain due to inability to host
Emotional Impact
Stress, depression, guilt, and shame
Financial Consequences
Extra spending, buying duplicates, damage or loss of items, missed bills and penalties
Building Negative Self-Perceptions
Belief in inability to decide reinforces avoidance
Declining self-trust and self-esteem
Strategies and Techniques for Improving Decision Making
Identify Resistance and Mental Blocks
Questioning internal "nope" responses
Understanding fears or overwhelming factors behind avoidance
Treat Decisions as Experiments
Lowering pressure by seeing outcomes as learning experiences
Avoiding a pass/fail mindset
Make Micro-Decisions
Starting with low-stakes, emotionally neutral items
Building decision-making confidence ("decision muscle")
Utilise Support Systems
Seeking feedback or accountability from friends, family, organisers, or therapists
Sense-checking and encouragement from others
Clarify Values and Priorities
Aligning decisions with personal goals (e.g., hospitality, functionality, beauty)
Using values as a decision compass
Set Time Limits
Imposing limits per decision to prevent overthinking
Adjusting duration as confidence improves
Accept “Good Enough” Decisions
Allowing for adequacy over perfection
Challenging double standards around self-expectations versus others
Reduce Number of Choices
Limiting possible options (e.g., keep/throw/donate)
Pre-determining criteria to streamline choices
Reality Checks
Probing feelings of “I might need it” with practical questions
Reviewing usage frequency and functionality
Increase Awareness of Avoidance
Noticing procrastination and avoidance behaviours
Evaluating the significance of indecision as a barrier
Build Tolerance for Uncertainty and Discomfort
Accepting that discomfort is part of life, and not deciding brings other difficulties
Gradually practicing sitting with uncertainty
Practice Consistency in Decision Making
Incorporating daily decision-making habits
Gently challenging avoidance and celebrating each choice made
Decision-making is a learnable, improvable skill
The importance of starting small and practicing imperfect decisions
Building self-trust and confidence through repeated practice
Encouragement to challenge avoidance and recognise growth with each decision
Links
Buy your copy of Everything You Need to Know About Hoarding by Dr Lynne Drummond at cambridge.org/EverythingHoarding, and get 20% off with the discount code HOARDING20.
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Podcast ep 162: From Fibble to Focus: Defibble your executive dysfunction with Jo Cavalot
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I've never thought about the hoarder as one aspect of ADHD👌
Wow! This one really got me. I am a child of an alcholic hoarder and I am still broken, even though I am in my late 50's. I have started looking at therapy and this has made me think it is time to delve a little deeper. I know my parent was ill but can still remember being told that no-one could take me out if that situation because they would kill themselves if I went away. As an adult now I can see that this was a cruel thing to say to a child. Thank you for talking about this. I have some hoarding tendencies, though I am not hoarded, and am constantly struggling to keep my home OK. I had thought it was because I never learnt the right way!
This was such a wonderful episode, I thoroughly enjoyed it! Dr. Jan's insights were eye-opening and got to the core and the why's of hoarding, in an articulate and compassionate way. These are very helpful tidbits of information, and I will try to implement them. Truly loving this podcast!!