The CLO Investor Podcast

The CLO Investor Podcast with Shiloh Bates features an in-depth look at the Collateralized Loan Obligation market. Shiloh Bates is the Chief Investment Officer at Flat Rock Global, and author of CLO Investing with an Emphasis on CLO Equity and BB Notes, discusses CLO basics, from "what is a CLO?" to "how do CLOs work?", reviews relevant topics in the CLO industry, and interviews key market players. Learn more about Flat Rock Global at FlatRockGlobal.com and follow us on LinkedIn at https://www.linkedin.com/company/flat-rock-global-llc/.

#5 Tom Davidson, Managing Editor, Creditflux

Shiloh Bates shares his conversation with Tom Davidson, Managing Editor of Creditflux, in the fifth episode of The CLO Investor. Among other topics, Shiloh talks to Tom about CLO education, current opportunities in the CLO market, and CLO equity risk adjusted returns.

05-28
22:05

#27, Mike Hatley, Senior Advisor, Rothschild & Co.

Mike Hatley, Senior Advisor at Rothschild & Co., joins The CLO Investor podcast to discuss a brief history of CLOs and various downturns in the loan market.

11-24
51:40

#26, Sean Griffin, CEO, LSTA

Sean Griffin, CEO at the LSTA, joins The CLO Investor podcast to discuss regulatory wins that the LSTA has had and what key issues they are focused on today.

11-03
43:13

#25, Jonathan Horowitz, Partner & Head of Structured Liabilities, Fortress Investment Group

Jonathan Horowitz, Partner & Head of Structured Liabilities at Fortress Investment Group, joins the CLO Investor Podcast to discuss the pros and cons of using bank leverage vs. CLOs, credit trends in broadly syndicated and private credit loans, and the lack of new issue loan supply in general.

10-13
41:09

#24, Alex Navin, Managing Director, Performance Trust Capital Partners, LLC

Alex Navin, Managing Director, Performance Trust Capital Partners, LLC, joins The CLO Investor podcast to discuss the year for CLO equity on multiple fronts: leveraged loan defaults, spread compressions, potential Fed Rate cuts, and the growth in CLO debt EFTs. 

09-15
58:48

#23, Melissa Brady, Senior Director, Alvarez & Marsal

Melissa Brady, Senior Director at Alvarez & Marsal, joins The CLO Investor podcast to discuss the performance of private credit loans, why some credit managers may have different marks than others, and other trends in private credit.

09-02
44:06

#22, Amir Vardi, Head of Structured Credit, UBS Asset Management

Amir Vardi, Head of Structured Credit at UBS Asset Management, joins The CLO Investor podcast to discuss CLO market inefficiencies, CLO debt versus CLO equity, CLO modeling assumptions, and the economics of CLOs managed by newer market participants.

07-22
51:07

#21, Brian Nolan, Head of European CLO Structuring, PGIM

Brian Nolan, Head of European CLO Structuring at PGIM, joins The CLO Investor podcast to discuss European CLOs and how they differ from US CLOs. 

06-30
44:48

#20, Himani Trivedi, Head of Structured Credit, Nuveen

Shiloh Bates and Himani Trivedi discuss the effects of tariffs on the loan market, CLO equity projected returns, and new funds being launched on the Nuveen platform. 

05-19
45:18

#19, Stephanie Setyadi, Partner, Ivy Hill Asset Management

In this episode of The CLO Investor Podcast, Stephanie Setyadi, a Partner at Ivy Hill Asset Management, provides two case studies for the types of businesses that can be found in CLOs. 

04-16
32:39

#18, Pratik Gupta, Head of CLO Research, Bank of America Securities

Shiloh Bates talks to Pratik Gupta, CLO Head of Research for Bank of America Securities, about CLO securities' performance versus that of corporate debt, CLOs backed by syndicated loans and private credit CLOs, and more in this episode of The CLO Investor podcast.

03-28
50:19

#17, Mike Comparato, Head of Real Estate, Benefit Street Partners

Host Shiloh Bates discusses commercial real estate (CRE) CLOs with Mike Comparato, Head of Real Estate at Benefit Street Partners. CRE CLOs are contrasted with the more common CLOs backed by corporate loans that are Flat Rock's specialty.

02-21
27:47

#16, Chris Gilbert, Head CLO Banker, Natixis

Shiloh Bates talks to Chris Gilbert, the Head CLO Banker at Natixis. Natixis a leading underwriter of broadly syndicated and middle market CLOs. It was also the first bank to issue a reinvesting CLO after the financial crisis. Chris helped Shiloh with the book he published on CLO investing in 2023, CLO Investing with an Emphasis on CLO Equity and BB Notes. 

01-10
47:02

#15 Bilal Nasir, Head of CLO Trading, Bank of Montreal

Shiloh Bates talks to the Bank of Montreal's Head of CLO Trading, Bilal Nasir. In this episode, Bilal uses the term "risk profiles" to describe the different characteristics of various CLO investment opportunities. If you've ever wondered about the ins and outs of CLO trading, this is the episode for you.

12-06
37:52

#14 Lauren Basmadjian, Global Head of Liquid Credit, Carlyle

Lauren Basmadjian, Carlyle's Global Head of Liquid Credit, joins The CLO Investor podcast to discuss rate cuts, her outlook for CLO spreads, loan default and recoveries, and how she thinks about investing in CLOs managed by other managers. 

11-14
33:10

#13 Stephen Anderberg, U.S. CLOs Sector Lead, Standard & Poor's Global Ratings

Shiloh Bates talks to Stephen Anderberg, the sector lead for U.S. CLOs at Standard and Poor's Global Ratings, about how CLOs are rated, trends in upgrades and downgrades and defaults. They also discuss how the September 18, 2024, interest rate cut may move the market. And they talk about how CLO ratings have performed relative to the more well-known corporate rating system. For a full transcript, or to learn more about Flat Rock Global, please visit flatrockglobal.com.

10-17
34:42

#12 Ted Goldthorpe, Head of Credit, BC Partners

Shiloh Bates talks to Ted Goldthorpe, Head of Credit at BC Partners, about the lessons learned in his very impressive financial career. While most asset managers grow their business by launching new funds, Ted is also active in acquiring other asset managers. In this episode, Shiloh and Ted discuss the evolving landscape of private credit and business development companies. 

09-30
40:27

#11 John Timperio, Global Financial Practice Co-Head, Dechert

Shiloh Bates speaks with John Timperio, the Co-Head of Dechert's Global Finance practice, about CLO regulation in this episode of The CLO Investor podcast.

09-01
36:14

#10 Allan Schmitt, Head CLO Banker, Wells Fargo

Shiloh Bates talks to Allan Schmitt, Head CLO banker at Wells Fargo, about rated feeders, a new flavor of CLO (collateralized loan obligation) that is growing in popularity.

08-21
37:03

#9 Drew Sweeney, Senior Portfolio Manager, TCW

In this episode of The CLO Investor Podcast, Shiloh Bates talks to Drew Sweeney, Broadly Syndicated CLO Portfolio Manager at TCW. The episode reviews complexities of loan documentation, the role of private equity firms, and the importance of thorough analysis and strategic management in the loan market.

08-05
46:33

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