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The Carey Nieuwhof Leadership Podcast is a podcast all about leadership, change and personal growth. The goal? To help you lead like never before—in your church or in your business.
Carey interviews top business and church leaders like Seth Godin, Adam Grant, Nancy Duarte, Simon Sinek, Cal Newport, Patrick Lencioni, Tim Keller, Annie F. Downs, Andy Stanley, Craig Groeschel, Rob Pelinka, Michael Hyatt, Christine Caine, John Mark Comer, Henry Cloud, Gordon MacDonald, Francis Chan, Lysa TerKeurst, Ian Morgan Cron and many more.
For insightful posts on leadership, change and personal growth, episode transcripts and podcast show notes, go to https://careynieuwhof.com/.
Carey interviews top business and church leaders like Seth Godin, Adam Grant, Nancy Duarte, Simon Sinek, Cal Newport, Patrick Lencioni, Tim Keller, Annie F. Downs, Andy Stanley, Craig Groeschel, Rob Pelinka, Michael Hyatt, Christine Caine, John Mark Comer, Henry Cloud, Gordon MacDonald, Francis Chan, Lysa TerKeurst, Ian Morgan Cron and many more.
For insightful posts on leadership, change and personal growth, episode transcripts and podcast show notes, go to https://careynieuwhof.com/.
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Ramit Sethi, New York Times Bestselling author, podcaster, and Netflix show host, returns to the podcast. Ramit shares his insight on what couples struggle with financially and how church leaders can teach couples about money. Plus, he discusses lessons from 20 years in business, why raising money for charity is so hard, and how to deal with cheap board members. 🔗 Show Notes ☕️ 2025 Church Trends Leader Guide 📩 On The Rise Newsletter 🗣️ Preaching Cheat Sheet 🧠 The Art of Leadership Academy 🎥 Watch on YouTube Follow @careynieuwhof Follow @theartofleadershipnetwork SUBSPLASH Join more than 20,000 churches and ministries that partner with Subsplash to engage their communities and help their people grow spiritually. Go to subsplash.com/carey to schedule a quick, no-obligation demo and get $500 off when you sign up. THE PROBLEM OF LIFE The Problem of Life by Mark Clark won’t just make you think—it will change the way you live. Pre-order now on Amazon or wherever you buy your books. It’s time to stop just existing and start flourishing. Gloo Gloo gives you 10,000 texts and 3 groups for free every month. That’s right—no cost, no strings attached. So why wait? Sign up for Gloo today at gloo.us/freetexting. Brought to you by The Art of Leadership Network
Only 1% of pastors say their churches are very effective at evangelism. Yet, 72% of people say they are open spiritually. In this episode, Barna CEO David Kinnaman and author Mark Matlock continue the 2025 Church Trends series and discuss the current divide between church and culture, the surprisingly dismal state of evangelism in the church today, and the missed opportunity of unchurched people's surprising spiritual openness. 🔗 Show Notes ☕️ 2025 Church Trends Leader Guide 📩 On The Rise Newsletter 🗣️ Preaching Cheat Sheet 🧠 The Art of Leadership Academy 🎥 Watch on YouTube Follow @careynieuwhof Follow @theartofleadershipnetwork DOWNLOAD FOR FREE: 2025 Church Trends Leader Guide Highly Productive Leader Challenge On February 3rd, I’m kicking off a 4-Week Highly Productive Leader Challenge designed specifically for leaders like you who feel stuck in the cycle of overwhelm. Learn more at Productive2025.com Thrive In a free 60-minute webinar, Mark Clark, pastor at Bayside Church, will share the 5 essential traits that define truly great leaders. Register at thriveconference.org/ Gloo Gloo gives you 10,000 texts and 3 groups for free every month. That’s right—no cost, no strings attached. So why wait? Sign up for Gloo today at gloo.us/freetexting. Brought to you by The Art of Leadership Network
Church planter Noah Herrin continues the 2025 church trends series as he and Carey discuss high-growth church planting. Noah shares how he created a ministry model that leads with community over content and how a 14-month-old church that attracts 700 people on the weekend has built a congregation with an average age of 25 years old. 🔗 Show Notes ☕️ 2025 Church Trends Leader Guide 📩 On The Rise Newsletter 🗣️ Preaching Cheat Sheet 🧠 The Art of Leadership Academy 🎥 Watch on YouTube Follow @careynieuwhof Follow @theartofleadershipnetwork DOWNLOAD FOR FREE: 2025 Church Trends Leader Guide The Art of Leadership Academy On Tuesday, January 21st I'm hosting a coaching call to discuss the church trends of 2025. Join me and the members of the Art of Leadership Academy. ECFA Today, more than 2,700 organizations proudly display the ECFA seal, signaling to millions of donors that their contributions are stewarded with utmost care. Learn more at ECFA.org/triumph Gloo+ Gloo+ is quickly becoming the fastest-growing platform for pastors and ministry leaders. Unlock the tools to build a thriving, stress-free ministry while focusing on what matters most: faith. Use code CAREYSAVE20 for an EXTRA 20% off - go to gloo.us/glooplus. Brought to you by The Art of Leadership Network
Joby Martin and Mike Housholder both lead high-conversion growth churches. That means the growth they're seeing isn't coming from transfer growth. How are they doing it? As the 2025 Church Trends series continues, they share their secrets to reaching unchurched people, how to speak to insiders and outsiders at the same time, and the keys to evangelism in today's culture. 🔗 Show Notes ☕️ 2025 Church Trends Leader Guide 📩 On The Rise Newsletter 🗣️ Preaching Cheat Sheet 🧠 The Art of Leadership Academy 🎥 Watch on YouTube Follow @careynieuwhof Follow @theartofleadershipnetwork DOWNLOAD FOR FREE: 2025 Church Trends Leader Guide The Art of Leadership Academy The Art of Leadership Academy has partnered with Southeastern University to offer you a new way to earn your master’s degree. Depending on the master’s program you choose, up to 25% of the degree can be completed in The Academy. The Pour Over The Pour Over delivers concise, politically-neutral news summaries three times a week, paired with Christ-centered biblical reminders. It keeps you informed without the chaos, bias, or drama. Thrive In a free 60-minute webinar, Mark Clark, pastor at Bayside Church, will share the 5 essential traits that define truly great leaders. Spots are limited—reserve yours now at thriveconference.org Brought to you by The Art of Leadership Network
J.P. Pokluda and Jennie Allen join Carey to share their experiences with the college revival happening across the United States. As the 2025 Church Trends series continues, they discuss Gen Z's embrace of confession and deliverance and whether the revival can jump the river to churches. 🔗 Show Notes ☕️ 2025 Church Trends Leader Guide 📩 On The Rise Newsletter 🗣️ Preaching Cheat Sheet 🧠 The Art of Leadership Academy 🎥 Watch on YouTube Follow @careynieuwhof Follow @theartofleadershipnetwork DOWNLOAD FOR FREE: 2025 Church Trends Leader Guide The Art of Leadership Academy The Art of Leadership Academy has partnered with Southeastern University to offer you a new way to earn your master’s degree. Depending on the master’s program you choose, up to 25% of the degree can be completed in The Academy. ECFA Today, more than 2,700 organizations proudly display the ECFA seal, signaling to millions of donors that their contributions are stewarded with utmost care. Learn more at ECFA.org/triumph VisitorReach VisitorReach is an all-in-one platform to help churches grow. Churches that partner with VisitorReach connect with 20 to 120 new people each month and see new visitors walking through their doors weekly! Learn more today at VisitorReach.com/Carey! Brought to you by The Art of Leadership Network
Carey Nieuwhof shares the top 5 church trends leaders need to pay attention to in 2025. Carey discusses how Gen Z is in both revival and retreat, evangelism is on life support, church closures are outpacing church plants 3-1, the rise of the non-derivative church, and the state of pastoral mental health. 🔗 Show Notes ☕️ 2025 Church Trends Leader Guide 📩 On The Rise Newsletter 🗣️ Preaching Cheat Sheet 🧠 The Art of Leadership Academy 🎥 Watch on YouTube Follow @careynieuwhof Follow @theartofleadershipnetwork DOWNLOAD FOR FREE: 2025 Church Trends Leader Guide Brought to you by The Art of Leadership Network
What's wrong with the current approach to discipleship? Lutheran pastor and author Zach Zehnder talks about what's wrong with the current approach to discipleship and what it's like to plant a church in a mainline denomination. Plus, Carey and Zach discuss the challenges of being an entrepreneurial pastor and how these innovative church leaders know when it's time to leave their clergy positions. 🔗 Show Notes 📩 On The Rise Newsletter 🗣️ Preaching Cheat Sheet 🧠 The Art of Leadership Academy 🎥 Watch on YouTube Follow @careynieuwhof Follow @theartofleadershipnetwork This episode is sponsored by: ON THE RISE If you want to be the first to get 2025's church trends, be sure to join my email list — on January 2nd, I'll be releasing all 5 trends along with a leader guide, and throughout January, there'll be more church trends content, podcast episodes, and resources to come. Go to ontherisenewsletter.com STATE OF THE CHURCH You're invited to get access to all the latest State of the Church research from Barna. You’ll get free updates on monthly research drops, trending topics, and important news from across the Church–all powered by Gloo. Text 'carey25' to 46816 Brought to you by The Art of Leadership Network
How do leaders attract and keep high performers? Brett Hagler, Y Combinator grad and New Story Founder, shares a young leader's counterintuitive advice on how to attract and keep high performers. Plus, Brett discusses getting better before getting bigger, and he and Carey share their thoughts on Paul Graham and Brian Chesky's Founder Mode theory. 🔗 Show Notes 📩 On The Rise Newsletter 🗣️ Preaching Cheat Sheet 🧠 The Art of Leadership Academy 🎥 Watch on YouTube Follow @careynieuwhof Follow @theartofleadershipnetwork This episode is sponsored by: UPWARD SPORTS Now is the perfect time to explore sports ministry as part of your outreach strategy. This game-changing approach for 2025 will redefine how you engage with your community. Visit Upward.org/Carey to introduce sports outreach to your community in 2025. COMPASSION This Christmas, I encourage you to connect with my friends at Compassion - find out more at www.compassion.com/carey Brought to you by The Art of Leadership Network
Many leaders understand the cost of decision fatigue, but very few understand the cost of indecision fatigue—the real cost of not deciding. In this episode, Carey Nieuwhof explains what indecision fatigue is, what it costs, and offers four practical strategies you can use to start making wise, timely decisions. 🔗 Show Notes 📩 On The Rise Newsletter 🗣️ Preaching Cheat Sheet 🧠 The Art of Leadership Academy 🎥 Watch on YouTube Follow @careynieuwhof Follow @theartofleadershipnetwork This episode is sponsored by: MEDISHARE No matter what stage of life you’re in, Medi-Share wants to be there for you. Head to medishare.gloo.us to see how Medi-Share can work for you! TENX10 Get free resources as well as ongoing free monthly updates about what you need to know about Gen Z, at TENx10.org/seniorleader Brought to you by The Art of Leadership Network
Bob Goff returns to the podcast and shares what he's learned from millions of people who have had his phone number, how to be more available as a leader, and how to infuse whimsy and adventure into an otherwise ordinary life. 🔗 Show Notes 📩 On The Rise Newsletter 🗣️ Preaching Cheat Sheet 🧠 The Art of Leadership Academy 🎥 Watch on YouTube Follow @careynieuwhof Follow @theartofleadershipnetwork This episode is sponsored by: AT YOUR BEST In my best-selling book, At Your Best, you get a complete strategy to get your time, energy, and priorities working in your favor so you can break free from stress and burnout. 2025 is the year you can leave stress and burnout in the past. Head on over to Amazon or atyourbesttoday.com to order your copy of At Your Best. UPWARD SPORTS Now is the perfect time to explore sports ministry as part of your outreach strategy. This game-changing approach for 2025 will redefine how you engage with your community. Visit Upward.org/Carey to introduce sports outreach to your community in 2025. Brought to you by The Art of Leadership Network
Chad Veach talks about the red flags of pride in ministry and leadership, how to process things when people leave your church, and what happens when you're operating out of your gifting alone, not out of humility. 🔗 Show Notes 📩 On The Rise Newsletter 🗣️ Preaching Cheat Sheet 🧠 The Art of Leadership Academy 🎥 Watch on YouTube Follow @careynieuwhof Follow @theartofleadershipnetwork This episode is sponsored by: COMPASSION Did you know that partnering with Compassion helps fulfill your church's call to The Great Commission? Bring this mission focus to YOUR church, and then watch God use YOUR church to impact the world. Find out more at compassion.com/carey. GLOO+ With Gloo+'s New Mover Program, you can send 50 postcards to new movers in your area every single month, giving them a warm welcome and inviting them to your church. Visit Gloo.us/connection and use code CAREYSAVE20 to save 20% on your subscription and start reaching more people today. Brought to you by The Art of Leadership Network
Will Guidara shares the backstory to his book, Unreasonable Hospitality, and his involvement in the hit TV series The Bear. Plus, Will and Carey discuss navigating control and collaboration and how leaders can handle criticism and praise better. 🔗 Show Notes 📩 On The Rise Newsletter 🗣️ Preaching Cheat Sheet 🧠 The Art of Leadership Academy 🎥 Watch on YouTube Follow @careynieuwhof Follow @theartofleadershipnetwork This episode is sponsored by: BELAY This month is your last chance to get your free copy of BELAY’s latest resource, The Power of Productivity, for free. This guide is full of practical tips and plans to help you maximize productivity for you and those you lead. To claim it, just text CAREY to 55123. Accomplish more and juggle less with BELAY. Brought to you by The Art of Leadership Network
Al Gordon, founder of Saint.Church in London, talks about revival and pre-revival in the church, the anatomy of revival, and rethinking the things the church got wrong. Plus, he shares why architecture can be the place where church and culture intersect. 🔗 Show Notes 📩 On The Rise Newsletter 🗣️ Preaching Cheat Sheet 🧠 The Art of Leadership Academy 🎥 Watch on YouTube Follow @careynieuwhof Follow @theartofleadershipnetwork This episode is sponsored by: SUBSPLASH Subsplash puts today’s most innovative church technology into your hands—so you can focus on ministry. Go to subsplash.com/carey to schedule a quick, no-obligation demo and get $500 off when you sign up. GLOO+ Gloo+ is an all-in-one membership community where church leaders can access everything they need—from communication tools, to ministry resources, and more. Head over to plus.gloo.us/Carey and use code CAREYSAVE20 for 20% off your subscription. Brought to you by The Art of Leadership Network
Tim Ross talks about the difference between deconstruction, destruction, and reconstruction. Plus, the pressure to code switch as a pastor, how podcasting might be the future of ministry, and the meteoric rise of his podcast—The Basement. 🔗 Show Notes 📩 On The Rise Newsletter 🗣️ Preaching Cheat Sheet 🧠 The Art of Leadership Academy 🎥 Watch on YouTube Follow @careynieuwhof Follow @theartofleadershipnetwork This episode is sponsored by: CONVOY OF HOPE Shop for gifts that do more than sit on a shelf. Share the love of Christ with those in need with Convoy’s 2024 Gift Catalog. Visit: ConvoyofHope.Org/Carey Brought to you by The Art of Leadership Network
There are two kinds of leaders: leaders who make excuses and leaders who make progress. A huge red flag in leadership centers on the leaders who make excuses. Carey shares how to identify excuse-making leaders, what motivates them, and how to change their behavior so you start making progress. 🔗 Show Notes 📩 On The Rise Newsletter 🗣️ Preaching Cheat Sheet 🧠 The Art of Leadership Academy 🎥 Watch on YouTube Follow @careynieuwhof Follow @theartofleadershipnetwork This episode is sponsored by: GLOO With Gloo’s free texting, you can reinforce your teachings and keep hope alive every day. This is your chance to ensure they stay rooted in their faith with daily devotional texts. Sign up today at gloo.us/freetexting. CONVOY OF HOPE Shop for gifts that do more than sit on a shelf. Share the love of Christ with those in need with Convoy’s 2024 Gift Catalog. Visit: ConvoyofHope.Org/Carey Brought to you by The Art of Leadership Network
Is the mid-life crisis real? Pete Scazzero questions the mid-life crisis and explains what really happens to most leaders in their thirties and early forties. Plus, he and Carey discuss how leaders are mis-formed for ministry and outline the revolution needed to transform the church. 🔗 Show Notes 📩 On The Rise Newsletter 🗣️ Preaching Cheat Sheet 🧠 The Art of Leadership Academy 🎥 Watch on YouTube Follow @careynieuwhof Follow @theartofleadershipnetwork This episode is sponsored by: STATE OF THE CHURCH What would you change if you could know exactly how your people are doing across your church? Barna is releasing incredible new research every single month, and Gloo is introducing powerful tools to help you pinpoint the State of Your Church. Text “carey” to 46816 and you’ll be subscribed to all the latest info on State of the Church. Brought to you by The Art of Leadership Network
In an era where the average church in America has an attendance of about 50 people, Karl Vaters talks about desizing the church. Karl also discusses the drug of size, the good and bad of the church growth movement, and what large and small churches get right. 🔗 Show Notes 📩 On The Rise Newsletter 🗣️ Preaching Cheat Sheet 🧠 The Art of Leadership Academy 🎥 Watch on YouTube Follow @careynieuwhof Follow @theartofleadershipnetwork This episode is sponsored by: COMPASSION For over 70 years, Compassion International has worked tirelessly to help others know their identity in Jesus Christ through the local church. My church has partnered with Compassion for over a decade, and I want to encourage your church to get involved. Find out more compassion.com/carey GLOO+ Getting in front of the people who need your message most can seem like a mystery. Gloo+ automates direct mail to 50 new families to your community and connects you with up to 7 people who are looking for answers your church has. Just go to Gloo.us/connection and use the code CAREYSAVE20 for an additional 20% off your subscription. Brought to you by The Art of Leadership Network
Henry Cloud unpacks his traumatic childhood and past and offers advice on combatting depression and panic attacks. Plus, Henry outlines the problems with the dominant models of psychology in the church. 🔗 Show Notes 📩 On The Rise Newsletter 🗣️ Preaching Cheat Sheet 🧠 The Art of Leadership Academy 🎥 Watch on YouTube Follow @careynieuwhof Follow @theartofleadershipnetwork This episode is sponsored by: THE ART OF LEADERSHIP ACADEMY I've partnered up with Craig Groeschel, Chris Hodges, Ashely Wooldridge, Dan Clark and others to help you unleash generosity at your church and boldly advance the mission of your church. On Nov. 18th, Advance Masterclass is coming to the Art of Leadership Academy. Head on over to theartofleadershipacademy.com to learn more and join today. TENX10 TENx10 is inviting you to join the conversation by partnering with them in making faith matter more to the next generation through loving young people and pointing them to Jesus. Visit TENx10.org/partners to learn more about how you can join this growing movement. Brought to you by The Art of Leadership Network
Chuck DeGroat returns to the podcast to discuss secrecy and exposure in leadership, how your body keeps score of trauma, and how the 'go mode' that makes many leaders successful can sometimes lead to their undoing. 🔗 Show Notes 📩 On The Rise Newsletter 🗣️ Preaching Cheat Sheet 🧠 The Art of Leadership Academy 🎥 Watch on YouTube Follow @careynieuwhof Follow @theartofleadershipnetwork This episode is sponsored by: SUBSPLASH Join more than 17,000 churches that partner with Subsplash to engage their communities and help their people grow spiritually. Go to subsplash.com/carey to schedule a quick, no-obligation demo and get $500 off when you sign up. BELAY BELAY is offering their latest resource, The Power of Productivity, for free. This guide is full of practical tips and plans to help you maximize productivity for you and those you lead. To claim it, just text CAREY to 55123. Brought to you by The Art of Leadership Network
Sharon McMahon, also known as @SharonSaySo on Instagram, explains the business model behind the monetization of hate and how that's driving division. She discusses why some people crave certainty and how that grows churches and platforms. Sharon shares her news hygiene recommendations so you can read the news and not lose your mind. Plus, Sharon McMahon shares why she believes the majority of people are exhausted and are craving something other than more polarization. This episode is part 7, the final episode, of the Pastoring in a Partisan Age series. Show Notes Ultimate Guide to Healthy Church Conflict On The Rise Newsletter Preaching Cheat Sheet Watch on YouTube Follow @careynieuwhof Follow @theartofleadershipnetwork This episode is sponsored by: COMPASSION YOU can bring this mission focus to YOUR church, and then watch God use YOUR church to impact the world. I encourage you to connect with my friends at Compassion - find out more at www.compassion.com/carey. GLOO+ The new Gloo+ membership from Gloo offers your church free texting, time-saving resources, a new mover program, and discounts on digital and physical resources you're probably already buying at full price. Visit gloo.us/plus - and Use code: CAREY20 for 20% off. Brought to you by The Art of Leadership Network
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love Mark Sayers. Thanks for highlighting him.
I love the rich, honest, long form conversations on this podcast. I'm neither a pastor nor do I work in the church, but as a young christian (26) the conversations on here have been so helpful. thank you so much!
You can tell the truth without love but you cannot love without telling the truth.
A come down day sounds phenomenal... until you're working two jobs, and struggling to find a sabbath each week.
Carey Nieuwhof: another Joel Osteen type pastor that dropped the Gospel for self help many years ago.
Between the 17 and 23 min mark, Louie talks about how he feels about online church vs in-person church, and does a great job of expressing it. What I appreciated also, though, was Cary's respectful response. My experience listening to Cary is that he disagrees strongly with Louie about the importance of online church, yet he didn't push back at all, despite this being his podcast. He allowed Louie to have - and espouse - a completely different view, and I appreciated that. To be clear, Cary agrees whole-heartedly with Louie's view on in-person church. He just has a different perspective on on-line church.
This was incredible
After listening to the wonderful conversation, in an alternate universe Adam's book "think again" might be "Repent" :), looking forward to catching up on the backlog, -pastor in The Salvation Army
nice podcast.... haven't tried Chick-fil-A.. if you're in Toronto thinking about it..
partnership
humble and transparent is the key.. which leads to authenticity
faithfulness is rewarded..
thanks 😊 Carey
love Mike
This is an amazing Podcast. It really helps me in developing my leadership skills and make me a better person. Thank you so much Carey
thank god for podcast
5:52
This was an excellent podcast. Thank you Carey and Kadi!
Catalyst conference 2016 Andy Stanley
I love your Podcasts..Its really heplful..