The Coptimizer Podcast

Retired Irving, Texas Police Chief Jeff Spivey sits down with Patrick to reflect on his 35+ year career and the lessons he’s carrying forward into his work with Sworn.AI. From leading a department through major growth to pioneering programs like Code Responders, Spivey shares how collaboration, data-driven strategy, and community partnerships can reshape the role of police in addressing today’s public safety challenges. The conversation also explores the future of policing, with an emphasis on officer wellness, leadership accountability, and the role of technology. Spivey and Patrick dive into the promise of wearable tech, AI-driven health insights, and civilianization strategies to improve efficiency and protect officer well-being. Together, they paint a picture of a profession at a crossroads—one that must invest in the health and resilience of its people to ensure long-term trust and success. 🔑 Key Takeaways Lessons from Jeff Spivey’s 35+ year law enforcement career and time as Chief of Police in Irving, TX. The role of data in guiding public safety strategy beyond crime stats. How programs like Code Responders improve outcomes for mental health crises. Opportunities and challenges of civilianizing certain police roles. Why officer wellness is critical to the future of policing. The potential of AI and wearable technology to monitor and support public safety workers. How partnerships with academic institutions can bring new problem-solving approaches to policing. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

In this episode of The Coptimizer Podcast, Patrick Flannelly sits down with Lou Barani, nationally recognized security expert and advisor to Davista Technologies and Hive Logic, for a cutting-edge discussion on how AI is transforming threat detection and public safety. From school security to large-scale events like the Olympics, Lou walks us through how integrated, AI-driven platforms are proactively identifying risks and automating threat responses — including active shooter prevention, predictive policing, and real-time threat assessment. If you’re in law enforcement, school administration, or private security — or simply someone who believes safety and innovation should go hand in hand — this is a conversation you won’t want to miss. 🔑 Topics include: The integration of Davista and Thrive Logic technologies How AI can identify at-risk individuals before incidents occur Applications of AI in law enforcement, schools, and large public events The role of predictive analytics in reducing response times Why embracing tech is essential for modern public safety Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

On this episode of The Coptimizer Podcast, Patrick Flannelly sits down with Jeff Asher, founder of Asher Analytics and one of the nation’s leading voices in crime data analysis. Together, they unpack the critical role that accurate data and efficient response times play in modern policing. Jeff shares how New Orleans transformed its average police response from 180 minutes down to 50–60 minutes—not by adding officers, but by rethinking staffing, hiring civilians, and leveraging technology. He highlights the reality that only about 30% of property crimes and 50% of violent crimes are reported, and explains how slow responses make those numbers worse. The conversation dives into: Why is integrating analysts into leadership teams essential for strategic decision-making?  How civilian roles and technology solutions can free officers to focus on core police work.  The limits of AI in crime analysis—and why human expertise is still indispensable.  The connection between faster response times, improved clearance rates, and stronger community trust.  The value of accurate reporting and standardized data in shaping more innovative policing strategies.  Jeff also discusses his Real-Time Crime Index, his Substack newsletter, and the importance of communicating data to the public in ways that drive understanding and accountability. This is a must-listen episode for law enforcement leaders, policymakers, and anyone interested in the future of policing and public safety. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

In this powerful episode of The Coptimizer Podcast, host Patrick Flannelly sits down with Chief Chad McCluskey of the Waukee, Iowa Police Department for a conversation that bridges bricks, badges, and bold leadership. With a career that began in fire services and evolved into law enforcement leadership, Chief McCluskey brings a multidisciplinary perspective to modern policing. We explore his journey from Kansas to Iowa, including the unique challenges and victories of designing and building a $43 million state-of-the-art police facility focused on wellness, sustainability, and employee mental health. From geothermal heating systems to natural light-infused workspaces and fully equipped gyms, this is more than a building—it’s a blueprint for the future of public safety infrastructure. Chief McCluskey also shares key leadership lessons, including the importance of continuous education, mentorship, and participation in professional associations like the Iowa Chiefs of Police. With insights on recruitment, public safety integration, and practical advice for new leaders, this episode offers a thoughtful blend of real-world application and visionary strategy. Whether you’re a law enforcement leader, city planner, or wellness advocate, this conversation delivers actionable inspiration and a call to invest in the people who protect our communities. Books Recommended by Chief McCluskey: Extreme Ownership by Jocko Willink The Arsonist in the Office by Pete Havel Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

In this episode of The Coptimizer Podcast, Patrick Flannelly sits down with retired Chief of Police Doug Shoemaker for an honest conversation about wellness, leadership, and the evolving challenges of modern policing. Doug reflects on his 33-year career that began in Jefferson City, Missouri, and shares how pivotal moments like Ferguson and George Floyd reshaped law enforcement. Together, Patrick and Doug tackle the often-overlooked importance of police leaders prioritizing their own health, including using measurable metrics like insulin resistance to evaluate wellness. The discussion highlights: Wellness & Leadership: Why chiefs and command staff must take care of themselves first to better lead their officers. The “Eight Minutes” Code: The value of trusted peer networks and having people you can call when leadership feels isolating. The Curve: Doug’s work with this leadership development initiative is designed to strengthen culture and create mission-driven leaders in policing. Small Agency Challenges: With 80% of U.S. departments having fewer than 25 officers, Doug emphasizes the need for shared best practices and support networks. Technology & Efficiency: His current work with Peregrine involves helping agencies integrate data to free officers for proactive policing. Shared Connections: The conversation closes on a lighter note, with Patrick and Doug bonding over their mutual passion for bourbon, underscoring the importance of relationships and shared experiences beyond the badge. This episode is a candid exploration of what it means to survive and thrive in policing—both in the chief’s chair and in life after retirement.   Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

In this powerful and honest episode of The Coptimizer Podcast, Chief Chad Dick shares his life-changing journey through The Chiefs Reset—a four-month metabolic health pilot program designed specifically for law enforcement professionals in Indiana. As a veteran of the Indiana State Police and now Chief of Police in Jasper, Indiana, Chad opens up about the silent epidemic affecting police officers: insulin resistance and its wide-reaching impact on health, performance, and longevity. Through a combination of lab testing, low-carb nutrition, fasting protocols, and consistent accountability, Chad not only transformed his physical health but also redefined his approach to leadership and wellness. This is not just a story about weight loss—it’s about leading from the front, building resilient departments, and rethinking how we care for our most valuable resource: our people. Top 10 Takeaways from This Conversation: Insulin Resistance is a Hidden CrisisEspecially dangerous in high-stress professions like policing, it often remains undetected until serious illness sets in. Early Detection Saves LivesComprehensive lab testing, such as the LPIR score, can identify risk years before symptoms appear. Lifestyle Changes Are PowerfulChad reduced his LPIR score from 70 to 12 through nutrition and fasting—without any medication. Departments Are Missing the MarkMost law enforcement agencies still lack structured wellness and metabolic health programs. Food Matters More Than FitnessThe program emphasizes that roughly 80% of health outcomes are driven by nutrition. Metabolic Health Equals Operational ReadinessBetter metabolic health results in improved focus, energy, and emotional resilience. Personal Accountability Drives ChangeChad logged his meals, measured ketones, and relied on peer support to stay consistent. Genetics Must Be ConsideredGenetic factors like LP(a) contribute to cardiovascular risk—knowing your numbers is essential. Prevention Is More Cost-Effective Than Crisis CareInvesting in prevention helps avoid costly outcomes like diabetes, heart disease, and extended sick leave. Health is HolisticThis is not a crash diet. It’s a long-term metabolic restoration program rooted in science and sustainability. Whether you’re a chief of police, a wellness coordinator, or a decision-maker in public safety, this episode offers a transformational roadmap grounded in science and lived experience. Discover how optimizing one leader can impact an entire department—and why The Chiefs Reset could be the key to boosting officer health, morale, and performance for years to come. Listen now at TheCoptimizer.com or on your favorite podcast platform. Interested in joining The Chiefs Reset? Reach out to learn how your agency can participate in the next cohort. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

“What if we treated our first responders like professional athletes?” In this powerful episode, retired Chief Patrick Flannelly welcomes Alec Wons, founder of Ready Rebound and a former strength coach for NFL athletes, for a raw and solution-driven conversation on the urgent need to transform how we support the physical and mental health of first responders. Alec’s mission is deeply personal—and deeply necessary. He draws from elite sports performance, business innovation, and personal tragedy to reimagine recovery and resilience for those who protect and serve. From expedited injury recovery to mental health resources, Alec lays out a compelling blueprint for how agencies can support their people before burnout, injury, or tragedy takes its toll. Together, Patrick and Alec explore: Why traditional wellness programs fail—and what actually works The hidden cost of shift work and outdated injury protocols How trauma, stress, and musculoskeletal injuries silently erode performance and morale Why systemic change is needed to treat officers like high-performing tactical athletes The leadership imperative: How chiefs can drive meaningful culture change Whether you’re a chief, union leader, wellness coordinator, or an officer trying to stay in the fight, this episode will change the way you think about health, recovery, and human performance in public safety. Plus: Learn how Alec’s new book and his work with fire and police departments nationwide are creating momentum for a better future—and why now is the time to act. 🧩 It’s not just about surviving the job—it’s about bouncing back stronger. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

In this gripping episode of The Coptimizer Podcast, retired ATF Deputy Assistant Director and 9/11 responder Peter Forcelli joins host Patrick Flannelly for an unfiltered conversation about the untold story behind Operation Fast and Furious—one of the most controversial federal operations in U.S. law enforcement history. With firsthand insights, Forcelli debunks political myths and explains how a poorly managed, local operation spiraled out of control, endangering lives and undermining trust in federal agencies. But this episode goes far deeper than headlines. Together, Patrick and Peter explore: The infighting and dysfunction that plague federal law enforcement systems How Peter’s decision to blow the whistle led to years of surveillance, stress, and professional exile The personal toll of high-stakes policing, from PTSD to post-9/11 cancer, and the painful journey to seek help Real talk about law enforcement leadership—what integrity looks like when the system doesn’t have your back A hard look at the cost of silence, the power of standing up for what’s right, and how agencies fail when accountability is absent Whether you’re a cop, a policymaker, or just someone who cares about the truth behind the badge, this episode pulls back the curtain on how broken systems affect real people—and what it takes to lead and survive with honor. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

In this gripping episode, Patrick Flannelly sits down with Ken Strange Jr., a man whose life reads like a novel—but every word is true. From teaching English in Saudi Arabia to pursuing global fraud cases for the FBI and USAID, Ken's career is a one-of-a-kind journey through geopolitics, counterterrorism, border operations, and personal growth. Ken recounts his early exposure to terrorism, his encounters with figures like Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman, and the intricate work of investigating complex international fraud. He shares wild tales from remote outposts like Sandy Bay, Haiti, and Senegal, where survival sometimes meant turtle meat by candlelight. His work has placed him at the heart of America’s global efforts—from the “House of Death” case in Juarez to overseeing multi-million-dollar investigations across continents. More than just a memoir of action, Ken’s reflections are rooted in the importance of balance, purpose, and faith—especially for law enforcement officers facing the toll of the job. Patrick and Ken explore the deep connections between service, wellness, and spiritual grounding in one of the most wide-ranging interviews to date. 🧠 Why you should listen: Hear how a diverse background can lead to an extraordinary career Learn why balance and belief are essential in high-risk professions Get behind-the-scenes insights on major FBI and USAID operations Explore global issues from the eyes of a seasoned investigator and public servant 📚 Based on stories from Ken’s fantastic book A Cop’s Son and his upcoming memoir Land of Sand, this episode delivers reflection, action, and lessons for a life well-lived.   Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

In this new episode of The Coptimizer Podcast, Chief Scott Hughes from Hamilton Township, Ohio, joins Patrick Flannelly for an in-depth exploration of modern policing. We dive into critical topics including leadership, officer wellness, technological innovation, and community collaboration. Chief Hughes shares candid insights about transforming police culture, implementing wellness programs, and supporting officers through mental health resources and on-duty workout policies. Highlights include: ● The importance of storytelling in leadership ● Modernizing policing through technology and training ● Strategies for building trust within law enforcement agencies ● The critical role of mental and physical wellness for police officers ● Collaborative approaches to regional law enforcement challenges Whether you're a law enforcement professional, community leader, or simply interested in understanding the evolving landscape of policing, this episode offers compelling perspectives on creating positive change in one of America's most challenging professions. A must-listen for anyone passionate about public safety, leadership, and community service. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

In this deeply thoughtful episode of The Coptimizer Podcast, Patrick Flannelly is joined by Erik Hein, a resilience expert and international trainer from the Netherlands, whose journey from hardship to high-performance leadership offers lessons for police professionals everywhere. Erik opens up about his difficult upbringing — losing his father to cancer, growing up on the streets, and building himself up through martial arts and academic discipline. From these roots, Erik has forged a career in law enforcement training that blends resilience, mental skills, and tactical fitness with a global outlook on modern policing. Together, Patrick and Erik examine: Mental toughness and the “soul over force” philosophy How learned helplessness shows up in policing Lessons from European police academies The U.S. attrition crisis and recruitment gaps How to foster supportive environments that build officer resilience The value of mentorship, wisdom transfer, and lifelong fitness Erik also shares details about his book and his commitment to helping the next generation of law enforcement leaders build strength from the inside out. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

In this episode of The Coptimizer Podcast, Patrick Flannelly sits down with Pat Heffner, a retired police officer and seasoned instructor for the Northwestern University School of Police Staff & Command, to explore one of the most overlooked aspects of modern policing — resource allocation. With decades of experience in law enforcement and education, Pat brings a pragmatic and data-driven lens to a topic that often flies under the radar of command staff. Together, we discuss the critical importance of staffing analysis, beat redesign, workload balance, and how failing to properly allocate resources can undermine even the most well-intentioned policing strategies. Whether you're a chief, a line supervisor, or a community member trying to understand how police services are delivered, this episode offers an honest, practical deep-dive into what it takes to align staffing with service demands — and why it matters more than ever in today’s public safety environment. 🔑 Topics include: The fundamentals of police resource allocation Why many departments struggle with staffing analysis Real-world examples from Pat’s work with police agencies How data can drive better decision-making for deployment The connection between morale, burnout, and misaligned staffing Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

David Riedman is the founder of the K-12 School Shooting Database and a graduate from the Naval Postgraduate School. He conducts research on gun violence in schools and authored multiple peer-reviewed articles on homeland security policy, critical infrastructure protection, and emergency management. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

In this episode of The Coptimizer Podcast, I sit down with Chief Mike Diekoff of the Bloomington (IN) Police Department to discuss his department’s innovative approach to mental health response. Chief Diekoff shares how his team collaborates with mental health professionals to handle crisis calls more effectively, ensuring that individuals in need receive the right care while reducing the strain on law enforcement. We dive into the challenges and successes of integrating behavioral health resources into policing and the broader implications for community safety. But that’s not all—Chief Diekoff isn’t just a leader in public safety; he’s also a hot-air balloon pilot! We shift gears to talk about his passion for aviation, his experiences flying over Bloomington, and the unexpected parallels between navigating the skies and leading a police department. Join us for an insightful and entertaining conversation that blends the serious and the adventurous in a way only The Coptimizer Podcast can. And stay tuned—I’ll be sharing a video of my own ride in Chief Diekoff’s balloon! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

In this episode of The Coptimizer Podcast, host Patrick Flannelly welcomes retired police officer and author David Berez to discuss his transformative journey through over 20 years in law enforcement. David opens up about his challenging upbringing, the pressures of policing in a changing world, and the profound impact of trauma and resilience. Together, they explore stories from his career, his struggles after retirement, and the pivotal moment that led to his inspiring book, A Resilient Life: A Cop's Journey in Pursuit of Purpose. Tune in for a heartfelt conversation about vulnerability, growth, and the tools to navigate life’s toughest moments—both on and off duty. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

In this episode of The Coptimizer Podcast, I sit down with retired Sergeant Brian Willis, a seasoned law enforcement professional and trainer, to explore critical elements of health, wellness, and performance in policing. Drawing from decades of experience with the Calgary Police Service, Brian dives into why proactive health training early in an officer’s career is crucial to long-term well-being and resilience. We discuss the limitations of traditional paramilitary training and the need for a more dynamic, contextually relevant approach that integrates fitness, sleep, and mental skills training. Brian introduces the concept of challenge point theory, which emphasizes training officers at the edges of their skills to enhance their learning and performance. We also explore how new technologies like Neurosmart can provide real-time feedback on stress levels, allowing officers to refine their skills under pressure. This episode is packed with actionable insights and practical advice for law enforcement officers and trainers seeking to elevate their mental, physical, and emotional preparedness. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

In this episode of The Coptimizer Podcast, we sit down with Inspector Lynae Chodat, a 26-year policing veteran from the Delta Police Department in British Columbia, Canada. With extensive experience in specialized units such as sex crimes, homicide, and internal affairs, Lynae shares how her passion for fitness and nutrition transformed into a professional calling, reshaping officer wellness. After a traumatic incident in 2018, Lynae discovered nutrition's critical role in her recovery. This pivotal moment inspired her to become a Certified Holistic Nutritionist and Registered Natural Nutritional Clinical Practitioner. Today, she serves as the Delta Police Department’s in-house nutritionist, helping officers combat their demanding profession's physical and mental tolls. Lynae discusses her journey, her innovative wellness initiatives like educational lunch-and-learns and one-on-one coaching, and the broader challenges of promoting health in the high-stress world of law enforcement. She emphasizes the importance of comprehensive approaches, encompassing nutrition, sleep, mindfulness, and physical activity while addressing cultural resistance and budget constraints that often hinder wellness programs. In this inspiring conversation, Lynae explores the concept of “building for impact,” a philosophy that ensures officers are prepared to meet the job’s demands head-on. She also highlights the vital role of leadership in driving wellness initiatives and how officers can take personal responsibility for their health to achieve long-term resilience. Whether you work in public safety or are seeking insights on holistic health and leadership, this episode is packed with actionable strategies and inspiration. Tune in to learn how Lynae transforms officer wellness, one meal and mindset at a time. Listen now on your favorite podcast platform! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

In this week's episode of The Coptimizer Podcast, retired California Fish and Wildlife Lieutenant John Nores joins Patrick Flannelly to discuss his groundbreaking work combating the environmental and public safety devastation caused by illegal grow operations, primarily run by Mexican drug cartels. Drawing on his experience leading California's Special Operations Marijuana Enforcement Team, Nores shares stories from his book, Hidden War, and insights on how legalization policies can inadvertently fuel black market activity. The conversation is especially timely as Indiana considers marijuana legalization. Nores highlights the unintended consequences seen in California under Proposition 64, including environmental destruction, cartel exploitation of legal loopholes, and the persistence of a thriving black market. Together, Patrick and John explore how Indiana can learn from these missteps to design a regulatory framework that prioritizes public safety, environmental protection, and robust enforcement. Don’t miss this deep dive into the hidden costs of legalization and the steps Indiana must take to avoid creating more problems than it solves. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Maintaining healthy habits can feel nearly impossible for first responders during the holidays. It's easy to let progress slip between demanding schedules, seasonal stress, and limited meal options. In this episode, I sit down with Megan Lautz, a dietitian specializing in wellness for first responders, to discuss how small, consistent choices—what Megan calls "Better Bad Decisions"—can keep you on track even in challenging circumstances. Megan shares practical strategies for navigating limited meal options, staying energized, and managing cravings during busy shifts and holiday gatherings. Her advice is realistic and actionable, designed to fit the unique demands of a first responder lifestyle. Whether you’re choosing the best fast-food option on the go or preparing for a holiday meal, this episode will inspire you to maintain momentum rather than start over in January. Resources from Megan Lautz: Free Recipe Book: com Healthy Meal Options: com Nutrition Articles: com Instagram and TikTok: @Rescue.RD LinkedIn: Megan Lautz Start making those "Better Bad Decisions" today—because progress is always better than perfection. Tune in now! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

In this episode of The Coptimizer Podcast, host Patrick Flannelly sits down with Sheriff Robb Tadelman to explore the evolving landscape of law enforcement. Sheriff Tadelman shares his personal journey and insights on the pressing challenges facing police agencies today, particularly in recruiting and retaining quality officers. Together, they discuss the importance of adapting leadership styles to meet generational expectations, focusing on mentorship and coaching to create a culture that resonates with today’s officers. Sheriff Tadelman highlights his agency’s comprehensive wellness program, which includes personalized wellness coaching for officers, supporting their physical, mental, and emotional health. They also discuss balancing performance management with a caring, proactive approach emphasizing support over discipline, helping officers thrive. This conversation underscores the need for innovative, comprehensive solutions in law enforcement to remain competitive and effective in a rapidly changing environment. Key Topics: Sheriff Robb Tadelman's journey in law enforcement Recruitment and retention strategies for today’s workforce Generational shifts in law enforcement leadership and management Comprehensive wellness programs, including individual wellness coaching Balancing performance with a supportive, caring culture Tune in to hear how Sheriff Tadelman’s insights are shaping a new model for law enforcement leadership and officer wellness. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.