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The Deep Dive is a culture and insights podcast with Philip McKenzie, an anthropologist who uses his expertise in culture to advise organizations on how best to thrive in an increasingly challenging and uncertain environment. Every week, Philip goes below the surface with the people who matter the most.
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Philip welcomes Steve Wyatt, author of Antidote to the Crisis of Leadership to the show. In their conversation, they connect whether the crisis of leadership is real or imagined and more acute in these times versus others.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
House of Guinness (Netflix) (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt13542714/)
Steve’s Drop:
Lost in Transformation – Rupert Brown (https://rupert-brown.com/)
Special Guest: Steve Wyatt.
Philip welcomes Garkay Wong, author of The Art of Design Strategy to the show. In their conversation, they explore the future of design innovation and what are the key structural challenges and opportunities in the design discipline.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
Godwin – Joseph O’Neill (https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/741344/godwin-by-joseph-oneill/)
Garkay’s Drop:
K-Pop Demon Hunters (Netflix) (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt14205554/)
Special Guest: Garkay Wong.
Philip welcomes. Corrina Barrett Lain, author of Secrets of the Killing State: The Untold Story of Lethal Injection. In our conversation, we explore the ugly reality of lethal injection across medical, political and legal realities.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
The Americans (Hulu) (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2149175/)
Corinna’s Drop:
A Gentleman in Moscow (Paramount+) (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8230448/)
Special Guest: Corinna Barrett Lain.
Philip welcomes Sorya Chemaly back to the show to discuss the so-called Male Crisis. Chemaly, an expert on gender and the author of the upcoming book All We Want is Everything: How to Dismantle Male Supremacy, breaks down the inconsistencies of the male crisis narrative and connects it to the movement of male supremacy.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
How the South Won The Civil War – Heather Cox Richardson (https://heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/)
Soraya’s Drop:
Drawing, Sketching, Doodling Each Day
Special Guest: Soraya Chemaly.
Philip welcomes Prof. Susan Sturm, author of What Might Be: Confronting Racism to Transform Institutions. In our conversation, we discuss how important it is to honestly confront racism and how movements can grow in times of rising authoritarianism.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
Malcolm- Jamal Warner (https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2025/jul/28/malcolm-jamal-warner-obituary)
Susan’s Drop:
Blue (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_(opera))
Special Guest: Susan Sturm.
Philip welcomes back Tim Jackson to the show to discuss his latest book, The Care Economy. In their conversation, they breakdown how care is essential to building a society where all of us can prosper.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
The Pitt (HBO Max) (https://www.imdb.com/it/title/tt31938062/)
Parks & Recreation (Peacock) https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1266020/
Tim’s Drop:
True Detective – Season 1 – (HBO Max) (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2356777/)
Extractive Capitalism – Laleh Khalili (https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/790844/extractive-capitalism-by-laleh-khalili/)
In a Different Voice – Carol Gilligan (https://www.researchgate.net/publication/275714106_In_A_Different_Voice_Psychological_Theory_and_Women's_Development)
Special Guest: Tim Jackson.
Philip welcomes journalist and author Katherine Stewart to The Deep Dive to discuss her latest book Money, Lies and God. In their conversation, they chart the rise of Christian Nationalism and how it influences government through a network of money, influencers and the pulpit and the disastrous effect this has had on American democracy.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
Number One on the Call Sheet (Apple TV) (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt36005664/)
Mr. McMahon (Netflix) (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt33301469/)
Katherine’s Drop:
Hound Dog – Big Mama Thornton (https://open.spotify.com/track/5Oc0vLGWdEWeCqIU8zyELt?si=4bf919d1f4114798)
Hey Joe – Billy Roberts (https://open.spotify.com/track/2nsCWyjytmtI5AgV3Vq2Xe?si=592f2f70a6e14f1c)
I Can’t Stand the Rain – Ann Peebles (https://open.spotify.com/track/0CcL4kSHKIEwF3IW0BGgb6?si=c51427e0f8604a99)
Philip welcomes Claudia Rowe, author of Wards of the State: The Long Shadow of American Foster Care. In their conversation, they explore the deep crisis within the foster care system and how it adversely effects the children it is attempting to serve.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
Secrets We Keep (Netflix) (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt33496221/)
Claudia’s Drop:
Sinners (HBO Max) (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt31193180/)
Adolescence (Netflix) (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt31806037/)
Philip welcomes back designer/author Kevin Bethune to discuss his latest book Nonlinear: Navigating Design with Curiosity and Conviction. Using Kevin’s career and life they trace the importance of accepting a nonlinear path that can provide opportunities, alternatives and solutions that might otherwise be missed.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
Captain America: Brave New World (Disney+) (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt14513804/)
Kevin’s Drop:
1Q84 – Haruki Murakami (https://harukimurakami.com/)
Philip welcomes journalist/author Megan Greenwell to discuss her book Bad Company: Private Equity and the Death of the American Dream. In their conversation, they explore how private equity has effected almost every facet of American industry and what have been the implications of the financialization of whole economies.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
Killers of The Dream – Lillian Smith (https://wwnorton.com/books/Killers-of-the-Dream/)
Megan’s Drop:
There is No Place for Us – Bryan Goldstone (https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/645871/there-is-no-place-for-us-by-brian-goldstone/)
Philip welcomes Coraline Ada Ehmke, author of We Just Build Hammers. In their conversation, they discuss how the analogies and stories we tell ourselves about our technological past impacts and shapes our future.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
We Are Ladyparts (Peacock) (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt10846104/)
Coraline’s Drop:
Fediverse (https://fediverse.party/)
Death (proto-punk band) (https://www.deathfromdetroit.com/deathhomepage.htm)
Witch (https://www.theguardian.com/music/2021/jul/05/witch-the-glory-and-tragedy-of-zambias-psych-rock-trailblazers)
Philip welcomes Donna Dupont, Founder, Purple Compass to the show. In their conversation, they discuss the current landscape of future(s) and foresight practices and how various methodologies and perspectives can generate viable solutions.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
Lucy Rose – This Ain’t the Way You Go Out (https://open.spotify.com/album/7gkDIAAebe5Wqqtv3Isxls?si=V8FW71n9S8ae_j5mkDmM5w)
Donna’s Drop:
Dan Gilbert – TED “The Psychology of your Future Self” (https://www.ted.com/talks/dan_gilbert_the_psychology_of_your_future_self?language=en) Special Guest: Donna Dupont .
Philip welcomes Topher McDoughal, author of Gaia Wakes: Earth’s Emergent Planetary Consciousness in an Age of Environmental Devestation to The Deep Dive. In their conversation, they discuss the meaning of intelligence and how it connects to a living planetary system.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
The Captive’s War – James.S.A Carey (https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/series/james-s-a-corey/the-captives-war/)
Topher’s Drop:
Staying with the Trouble – Donna J. Haraway (https://www.dukeupress.edu/staying-with-the-trouble)
Gnomon – Nick Harkaway (https://nickharkaway.com/books/)
Philip welcomes journalist Alia Dastagir, author of To Those Who Have Confused You to Be a Person: Words as Violence and Stories of Women’s Resistance Online. In their conversation, they discuss the harm and violence that women encounter online and how it effects our digital and cultural spaces.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
North of North (Netflix) (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt30407364/)
Alia’s Drop:
There Are No Girls on the Internet (https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/there-are-no-girls-on-the-internet/id1520715907)
Spitfire News (https://spitfirenews.com/)
1883 (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt13991232/)
1923 (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt18335752/)
Special Guest: Alia Dastagir.
Philip welcomes “fellow Phil” Phil Balagtas, author of Making Futures Work to the show. In their conversation, they discuss the myriad ways in which Futures has evolved as a discipline, what role strategy plays in future making and why are we fascinated by flying cars?
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop: Fannie Lou Hamer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiApoSpxbz0
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/freedomsummer-hamer/
Phil’s Drop: Darryl Anka/Bashar
https://www.instagram.com/basharchanneling
https://www.bashar.org/
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DHo5pAZyeMw/?utmsource=igwebbuttonsharesheet&igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DH5dVSnikJ7/?utmsource=igwebcopy_link&igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
Philip welcomes Adam Kahane, author of Everyday Habits for Transforming Systems. In their conversation, they discuss how transformation rarely works the way most people assume and how building on everyday habits can create systemic change.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
The Reactionary Mind – Corey Robin (https://coreyrobin.com/books/the-reactionary-mind/)
Adam’s Drop:
The Big Lebowski (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0118715/)
Philip welcomes Gjoko Muratovski, editor of Research for Designers: A Guide to Methods and Practices (3rd Edition).
In their conversation they discuss how design has changed over the decades and how effective it is when confronting the worlds most intractable problems.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
Paradise (Hulu) (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt27444205/)
Challenger: A True Story of Heroism and Diaster on the Edge of Space – Adam Higginbotham (https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Challenger/Adam-Higginbotham/9781982176617)
Gjoko’s Drop:
The True Believer: Thoughts on the Nature of Mass Movements – Eric Hoffer (https://www.harpercollins.com/products/the-true-believer-eric-hoffer?variant=41224208187426)
The Scope of Total Architecture – Walter Gropius (https://archive.org/details/scopeoftotalarch00grop) Special Guest: Gjoko Muratovski.
Philip welcomes Nafeez Ahmed, author of Alt Reich: The Network War to Destroy the West From Within to the show. In their conversation they discuss the rise of the modern right and how the legacy of fascism forms the foundation for their ideology.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
The Knick (Max) (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2937900/)
Hitler’s American Model: United States and the Making of Nazi Race Law – James Q. Whitman (https://press.princeton.edu/books/hardcover/9780691172422/hitlers-american-model?srsltid=AfmBOoofqjMa4EDZqWvFTLRq8393sC_5wTfB_YdXMyK0v69Myxi8Q-G_)
Nafeez’s Drop:
Foundation (Apple+) (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0804484/)
Dave Troy – America 2.0 (https://america2.news/author/davetroy/)
Jim Stewartson – Mind-War (https://www.mind-war.com/)
Planetary Phase Shift paper – Nafeez Ahmed (https://www.academia.edu/126295640/_Planetary_phase_shift_as_a_new_systems_framework_to_navigate_the_evolutionary_transformation_of_human_civilisation)
Philip welcomes Dr. Jean Boulton, author of The Dao of Complexity to the show. In this episode they discuss the myriad ways in which the philosophy of Dao connects to complexity. In their wide ranging conversation, they tackle physics, philosophy and how as beings we are more than any singular “thing”
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
Orbital – Samantha Harvey (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbital_(novel))
Jean’s Drop:
Zero Day (Netflix) (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt23872886/)
Piranesi – Susanna Clarke (https://www.bloomsbury.com/us/piranesi-9781635575637/)
Philip welcomes Chris Mowles, author of Complexity: A Key Idea for Business and Society and editor of Complexity and Organizations to the show. In their conversation, they trace the origins of complexity as a discipline, explain why “complexity is having a moment’ and what does it mean to apply it our organized world.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
Jazz Covers (Taschen) (https://www.taschen.com/en/books/music/43465/jazz-covers/)
Chris’s Drop:
Severance (Apple TV) (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt11280740/)
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