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Ezra Klein invites you into a conversation on something that matters. How do we address climate change if the political system fails to act? Has the logic of markets infiltrated too many aspects of our lives? What is the future of the Republican Party? What do psychedelics teach us about consciousness? What does sci-fi understand about our present that we miss? Can our food system be just to humans and animals alike?

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Trump was losing in the courts. He’s not anymore.In the early months of the administration, the courts were proving a powerful check on President Trump, blocking many of his boldest actions. But those were the lower courts. In the past few months, the Supreme Court has weighed in, and it has handed Trump win after win after win.So what do these decisions enable the president to do? And why is the Supreme Court giving Trump what he wants?To pull all this apart, I’m joined by Kate Shaw. She is a former Supreme Court law clerk, a professor at the University of Pennsylvania Carey Law School and a host of the “Strict Scrutiny” podcast.Note: This episode was recorded on Aug. 21, before Trump announced his intention to fire Lisa Cook from the Federal Reserve Board of Governors and before Immigration and Customs Enforcement re-arrested Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia and began processing him for deportation to Uganda.Mentioned:“Don't Believe Him” by Ezra Klein“This Is the Presidency John Roberts Has Built” by Peter M. ShaneBook Recommendations:Lawless by Leah LitmanVera, or Faith by Gary ShteyngartWe the People by Jill LeporeThoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at ezrakleinshow@nytimes.com.You can find the transcript and more episodes of “The Ezra Klein Show” at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast. Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs.htmlThis episode of “The Ezra Klein Show” was produced by Elias Isquith. Fact-checking by Michelle Harris. Our senior engineer is Jeff Geld. Mixing by Isaac Jones and Aman Sahota. Our executive producer is Claire Gordon. The show’s production team also includes Marie Cascione, Annie Galvin, Rollin Hu, Elias Isquith, Kristin Lin, Jack McCordick, Marina King and Jan Kobal. Original music by Aman Sahota and Pat McCusker. Audience strategy by Kristina Samulewski and Shannon Busta. The director of New York Times Opinion Audio is Annie-Rose Strasser. Special thanks to Josh Chafetz. Unlock full access to New York Times podcasts and explore everything from politics to pop culture. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify.
ICE now has the biggest budget of any law enforcement agency in America.“ICE and Customs and Border Protection have long been the most rogue, kind of renegade and certainly pro-Trump police agencies in the federal government,” explained Radley Balko, a journalist who’s covered policing for decades. “What I think we are seeing right now is Trump is attempting to build his own paramilitary force. They want people whose first, ultimate loyalty in this job is going to be to the president.”Balko is the author of “Rise of the Warrior Cop: The Militarization of America’s Police Forces.” And he’s been tracking the changes at ICE and the Trump administration’s escalating law-and-order tactics on his excellent newsletter, The Watch.Mentioned:“ICE’s Mind-Bogglingly Massive Blank Check” by Caitlin Dickerson“The police militarization debate is over” by Radley BalkoBook Recommendations:The Highest Law in the Land by Jessica PishkoUnruly by David MitchellBottoms Up and the Devil Laughs by Kerry HowleyThoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at ezrakleinshow@nytimes.com.You can find the transcript and more episodes of “The Ezra Klein Show” at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast. Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs.htmlThis episode of “The Ezra Klein Show” was produced by Jack McCordick. Fact-checking by Will Peischel. Our senior engineer is Jeff Geld. Mixing by Isaac Jones. Our executive producer is Claire Gordon. The show’s production team also includes Marie Cascione, Annie Galvin, Michelle Harris, Rollin Hu, Elias Isquith, Kristin Lin, Aman Sahota, Marina King and Jan Kobal. Original music by Pat McCusker. Audience strategy by Kristina Samulewski and Shannon Busta. The director of New York Times Opinion Audio is Annie-Rose Strasser. Unlock full access to New York Times podcasts and explore everything from politics to pop culture. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify.
“Make America Healthy Again” is a great idea — somebody should try it.A lot of the concerns animating the MAHA movement — chronic disease, the unhealthiness of the American diet, how profits warp our health care system — are serious issues. But Robert F. Kennedy Jr. hasn’t taken major actions to address them. Instead he’s gutted funding for scientific research, including nearly $500 million dedicated to mRNA vaccine development, throwing a huge amount of possibly lifesaving research in limbo.How did we get here? What are the politics that allowed Donald Trump to preside over Operation Warp Speed, the single most successful pandemic mitigation policy, and then turn around a few years later to appoint Kennedy to undo it all?My colleague David Wallace-Wells has done incredible reporting on how pandemic policies have shaped our politics, culture and society. Rachael Bedard is a physician and a writer who has been thinking deeply about what MAHA represents and where the movement could find common ground with its critics.Mentioned:“‘I Think He Is About to Destroy Vaccines in This Country’” by David Wallace-Wells“Why Calling RFK Jr. ‘Anti-Science’ Misses the Point” by Rachael BedardBook Recommendations:Doppelganger by Naomi KleinThe End Doesn’t Happen All at Once by Chi Rainer Bornfree and Ragini Tharoor SrinivasanPlagues Upon the Earth by Kyle HarperThe Making of the Atomic Bomb by Richard RhodesCalling the Shots by Jennifer ReichWave by Sonali DeraniyagalaThoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at ezrakleinshow@nytimes.com.You can find the transcript and more episodes of “The Ezra Klein Show” at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast. Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs.htmlThis episode of “The Ezra Klein Show” was produced by Annie Galvin and Jack McCordick. Fact-checking by Michelle Harris, with Kate Sinclair and Mary Marge Locker. Our senior engineer is Jeff Geld, with additional mixing by Aman Sahota. Our executive producer is Claire Gordon. The show’s production team also includes Marie Cascione, Rollin Hu, Elias Isquith, Kristin Lin, Marina King and Jan Kobal. Original music by Pat McCusker. Audience strategy by Kristina Samulewski and Shannon Busta. The director of New York Times Opinion Audio is Annie-Rose Strasser. Special thanks to Dr. Sunil Patel and Dr. Andrew Gabrielson. Unlock full access to New York Times podcasts and explore everything from politics to pop culture. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify.
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Every Tuesday and Friday, Ezra Klein invites you into a conversation about something that matters. How do we address climate change if the political system fails to act? Has the logic of markets infiltrated too many aspects of our lives? What is the future of the Republican Party? What do psychedelics teach us about consciousness? What does sci-fi understand about our present that we miss? Can our food system be just to humans and animals alike?Subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts.You can find transcripts (posted midday) and more episodes of "The Ezra Klein Show" at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast, and you can find Ezra on Twitter @ezraklein.Thoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at ezrakleinshow@nytimes.com.“The Ezra Klein Show” is produced by Rogé Karma and Jeff Geld; fact-checking by Michelle Harris; original music by Isaac Jones; mixing by Jeff Geld. Unlock full access to New York Times podcasts and explore everything from politics to pop culture. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify.
Comments (731)

Maria Bilinski Shain

uhh ND GJ 0

Aug 24th
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michael gilman

Recall no red states or blue states? Was Jan. 6 a gathering of happy Christian nationalist patriots? Why credit one who thinks God gave Jews land based on myths? J.D. you think MAGAs meet your Civil War era test? You abject toady and ass kisser of oligarchs, kiss the graves of my ancestors that founded Plymouth, Salem, and Concord, fought for Independence from a king, and bled at Gettysburg to beat the traitors whose names you would restore to honor as you plot to erase their evil history.

Aug 15th
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michael gilman

Ezra: What about: 1) attacks by both sides, so lopsided by the allies, on civilians in WW II? These were war crimes, crimes against humanity, genocide? 2) In addressing the reasons for Israel continuing to push Gazans into near oblivion without what Sands and you consider a valid justification, you omit Israel's government's belief - God wants it to rule there. Prof. Sands cites ancient ruler's right to ruin & kill at will. A divine right of kings as it has been called, no? End that, how?

Aug 14th
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mbh9415

The crazy thing about his dumb argument is that the most likely person to work the hardest to achieve the American dream is the immigrant. They start businesses because they tend to be locked out of the mainstream because of language and cultural differences. Their children, however, often become the highest example of a good and hardworking American.

Aug 10th
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Catherine Willmore

This interviewee's intellectual flabbiness is typical of right wing "thought", as is his refusal to really name his beliefs, circling them instead with fake politeness. As for the extracts from Vance's speech, they are truly terrifying in their false assumptions. Klein calls him out on his bullshit about the peaceful transfer of power being a conservative value and his answer is absolute waffle.

Aug 9th
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Rachel Payne

so glad you did this interview, Ezra. much respect to Mahmoud.

Aug 5th
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Larry Koenigsberg

Wrong on the facts, wrong on the theory. I found it appalling to hear his excuses for awful things that are being done. Mr. Klein, you did a good job of puncturing them, but he tended to skitter away from the points you were making. At least he and his ideology are revealed. Thank you for that.

Aug 3rd
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Jejj

This was informative while being concerning... yay?

Aug 2nd
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John McVicker

Thanks, Ezra. What a mess. What a thoughtful show. PS - I'm with Lander on this...

Jul 23rd
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Ted Hartnett

.mc

Jul 8th
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Pamela Burroughs

Stop talking so fast and stop talking over one another. It's exhausting to listen to.

Jun 29th
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Kim

Two nerds really nerding out.

Jun 28th
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Emily Becker

This was beautiful and refreshing. I hope more politicians on the left can follow her example.

Jun 24th
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L D

I wish Ben had spoken more. 🤷🏻‍♀️

Jun 21st
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Denise Ethier

Sarah McBride is brilliant! It's no wonder she was elected. She is the type of politician that is needed today. Not performative, incredibly reasonable, and totally in tune with the social fabric of today. Great great interview.

Jun 18th
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Kellie Atencio

"We had reached the inevitable conclusion, which was the right one. We had to dismantle it. To do what might not be necessarily popular. But which reasonable people understand needs to be done." "The highest manifestation of the greatest leadership by the person who had the courage to do the opposite of everything he had promised." Phenomenal lessons on leadership from this interview.

Jun 18th
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Andy Laurenzi

you should have asked him if he wanted to run for president of the United States

Jun 12th
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Jejj

💫

Jun 11th
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Cameron Stoner

the sublime feelings

Jun 3rd
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Emily Koritz

The interviewee sure has some fancy ways to say "I don't know". Lost me 10 minutes in. Nice accent, though.

Jun 3rd
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