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Each Tuesday and Friday, Ezra Klein invites you into a conversation on something that matters. How do we address climate change if the political system fails to act? Has the logic of markets infiltrated too many aspects of our lives? What is the future of the Republican Party? What do psychedelics teach us about consciousness? What does sci-fi understand about our present that we miss? Can our food system be just to humans and animals alike?

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The Democratic Party has been hemorrhaging nonwhite and working-class voters. There are a lot of theories about why that has been happening, blaming it on the party’s ideas or messaging or campaign tactics. But I think the problem might be deeper than that — rooted in the structure of the Democratic Party itself.Michael Lind is a columnist at Tablet magazine, a co-founder of New America and the author of “The New Class War: Saving Democracy From the Managerial Elite.” He argues that the Democratic Party in recent years has become more beholden to special-interest nonprofits, which claim to represent large constituencies but actually reflect the interests of the donor class. In this conversation, we discuss why he thinks the nonprofit complex became so powerful, how that might have led to a disconnect between the Democratic Party and its core voter base and what he thinks Democrats could do to course correct.Book Recommendations:Where Have All the Democrats Gone? by John B. Judis and Ruy TeixeiraTyranny, Inc. by Sohrab AhmariMother Jones by Elliot J. GornThoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at ezrakleinshow@nytimes.com.You can find transcripts (posted midday) and more episodes of “The Ezra Klein Show” at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast. Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs.This episode of “The Ezra Klein Show” was produced by Rollin Hu. Fact-checking by Kate Sinclair and Mary Marge Locker. Our senior engineer is Jeff Geld, with additional mixing by Aman Sahota and Isaac Jones. Our supervising editor is Claire Gordon. The show’s production team also includes Elias Isquith and Kristin Lin. Original music by Pat McCusker. Audience strategy by Kristina Samulewski and Shannon Busta. The executive producer of New York Times Opinion Audio is Annie-Rose Strasser. Unlock full access to New York Times podcasts and explore everything from politics to pop culture. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify.
To understand the 2024 election results, it helps to go back to 2020. Donald Trump lost the election that year, but he made significant gains with nonwhite voters. At the time, a lot of Democrats saw that as a fluke, a hangover from Covid lockdown policies. But the Republican pollster Patrick Ruffini saw it as bellwether.In his 2023 book, “Party of the People: Inside the Multiracial Populist Coalition Remaking the GOP,” Ruffini argued that Trump was ushering in a party realignment. A trend that had been happening for years in the white electorate – college-educated voters moving to the left, and non-college-educated ones moving to the right – was now evident, he said, among voters of all races, breaking up the core of the Democratic base.And so far, the data we have from this election suggests that Ruffini was right.In this conversation, Ruffini, a founding partner at Echelon Insights, contextualizes the 2024 election results by looking back at 2020’s. We discuss what Democrats missed about these voter trends; the appeal of Trump’s brand of class politics; why Democrats might have been better off with a red wave in the 2022 midterms; and how Kamala Harris’s campaign may have hurt her with nonwhite working-class voters.Book Recommendations:Steadfast Democrats by Ismail K. White and Chryl N. LairdThe Real Majority by Richard Scammon and Ben WattenbergThe New Americans by Michael BaroneThoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at ezrakleinshow@nytimes.com.You can find transcripts (posted midday) and more episodes of “The Ezra Klein Show” at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast. Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs.This episode of “The Ezra Klein Show” was produced by Elias Isquith. Fact-checking by Kate Sinclair, Mary Marge Locker, Jack McCordick and Michelle Harris. Our senior engineer is Jeff Geld, with additional mixing by Aman Sahota and Efim Shapiro. Our supervising editor is Claire Gordon. The show’s production team also includes Rollin Hu and Kristin Lin. Original music by Pat McCusker. Audience strategy by Kristina Samulewski and Shannon Busta. The executive producer of New York Times Opinion Audio is Annie-Rose Strasser. Unlock full access to New York Times podcasts and explore everything from politics to pop culture. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify.
The coalition the Democratic Party built in the Obama years has crumbled. But Democrats can choose how to respond.Mentioned:“Democrats Have a Better Option Than Biden”Thoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at ezrakleinshow@nytimes.com.You can find transcripts (posted midday) and more episodes of “The Ezra Klein Show” at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast. Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs.This episode of “The Ezra Klein Show” was produced by our supervising editor, Claire Gordon. Fact-checking by Michelle Harris, with Jack McCordick and Kristin Lin. Our senior engineer is Jeff Geld, with additional mixing by Aman Sahota. The show’s production team also includes Annie Galvin, Rollin Hu and Elias Isquith. Original music by Pat McCusker. Audience strategy by Kristina Samulewski and Shannon Busta. The executive producer of New York Times Opinion Audio is Annie-Rose Strasser. Unlock full access to New York Times podcasts and explore everything from politics to pop culture. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify.
In a couple weeks, the archives of our show will only be available to subscribers. Here’s why that’s happening and what to expect. To learn more, go to nytimes.com/podcasts. Unlock full access to New York Times podcasts and explore everything from politics to pop culture. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify.
Every Tuesday and Friday, Ezra Klein invites you into a conversation about something that matters. How do we address climate change if the political system fails to act? Has the logic of markets infiltrated too many aspects of our lives? What is the future of the Republican Party? What do psychedelics teach us about consciousness? What does sci-fi understand about our present that we miss? Can our food system be just to humans and animals alike?Subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts.You can find transcripts (posted midday) and more episodes of "The Ezra Klein Show" at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast, and you can find Ezra on Twitter @ezraklein.Thoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at ezrakleinshow@nytimes.com.“The Ezra Klein Show” is produced by Rogé Karma and Jeff Geld; fact-checking by Michelle Harris; original music by Isaac Jones; mixing by Jeff Geld. Unlock full access to New York Times podcasts and explore everything from politics to pop culture. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify.
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Lisa Hoffman

Please have Tressie McMillan Cottom on!

Nov 7th
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juana Witmore

As a regular listener of your podcast, I just wanted to say how much I appreciate the thought-provoking conversations you bring to the table. Each episode feels like a deep dive into the most pressing issues of our time, from climate change to the complexities of our food system. I particularly enjoyed the discussion on psychedelics and consciousness; it really opened my eyes to new perspectives! Thank you for making these complex topics accessible and engaging. Looking forward to the next episode! https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/custom-packaging-services-los-angeles-county-custom-packaging-la-dpr1f

Oct 25th
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66Warriors

Insight is elite

Oct 23rd
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MikeS

The recent ERa Kline episode with Ta-Nehisi Coates was fascinating. Compelling. Honest. Harsh. I've been aware of the lack of Palestinian voices in American Media. Much more aware now.

Oct 20th
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Visnja Milidragovic

Rabbi Sharon Brous exhibits the kind of perspective and attitude that all religious leaders should hold - to uphold our shared humanity, morality, and compassion.

Oct 10th
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Oct 10th
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Mona Peterson

Ezra Klein brings such thought-provoking discussions to the table! Each episode offers deep insights that challenge my perspectives. A must-listen for anyone looking to understand the complexities of today's world! https://www.fixerhub.com/new-york/professional-service/nyc-packaging-solution

Oct 8th
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Robert Peahuff

Enjoyed the show, thanks for the info. And I'm prob not being totally fair but i wonder if the first episode behind the paywall will be "have and or how have the elites became disconnected/ignored?"

Oct 3rd
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thedre

So many words, yet so little said in the Israel Palestinian episode. e.g. Question asked: why doesn't israel want peace? Answer summary: because they don't want. very little substance . dissapointment

Sep 23rd
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Sarah Gagnon-Turcotte

one of the most beautiful and insightful conversation i listened to

Sep 17th
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Marlen Flores

Deeply arguments

Sep 16th
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Jessie Ross

I've been an avid listener of 'The Ezra Klein Show,' and I must say, it's one of the most thought-provoking and insightful podcasts out there. Ezra’s ability to delve into complex issues with clarity and depth is truly impressive. https://sites.google.com/view/pizza-box-crafters/home The range of topics covered, from politics to culture, always leaves me with a fresh perspective and a lot to think about. If you're looking for a podcast that challenges your views and engages you in meaningful discussions, this is a must-listen!

Sep 15th
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Darrell Black

Can the Democratic Party Reclaim Freedom? #Kamala2024 #Freedomain #İtsabouttogodown

Sep 8th
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Scott S

Best quote of the episode, "Tim Walz is a weaponized Norman Rockwell painting". Fantastic, insightful episode.

Aug 26th
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I'm really looking forward to listening to this podcast! The topics are so relevant and thought-provoking, and I can't wait to hear Ezra Klein's insights. If you're as excited about meaningful conversations as I am, don't miss out on this podcast. And while you're at it, check out the latest construction products at ATI Construction Products (https://ati-constructionproducts.com/) for all your project needs!

Aug 23rd
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Scott S

It doesn't get mentioned enough that she too stepped aside in an acknowledgement that it was time for the next generation to take over. She's the GOAT, at least in my lifetime.

Aug 18th
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Damien gaming Zen

These 2 guests seem to support JDs twisted racist view of family and keeping his 1950s family safe. They're stretching to support the whacky good life of lots of children.

Aug 17th
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Thomas Cherian

She is really smart and a great leader.

Aug 12th
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Anthony Hollins

Great interview. Nancy Pelosi is a legend

Aug 10th
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Mona Peterson

Ezra's profound understanding of policy and his knack for unpacking complex topics never ceases to amaze me. Each episode is meticulously researched, featuring insightful discussions with some of the most forward-thinking guests. https://www.iheart.com/podcast/269-packaging-nyc-197827032/episode/advancements-in-food-safe-packaging-197827039/

Aug 7th
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