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We are Jackye Clayton and Katee Van Horn- two diversity, equity, & inclusion peeps who love both what we have in common, and what makes us different. During the day we use our superpowers to block bias and end systemic racism within companies and create equitable places to work. We are also BFFs who have tough conversations about our different lived experiences. And we hold nothing back! Launched in 2020, the Inclusive AF Podcast is a place where you get to hear real, authentic, and sometimes tough discussions on issues that are important to various communities. We will also bring in cool friends to share their insights on issues facing underrepresented groups and how to make a difference in the diversity, equity, and inclusion space. You are invited to listen in on our talks and join the conversation! We are all about being Inclusive AF on each episode and ask you to do the same when you take our lessons to your own communities. Thank you for listening!

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Welcome to The Inclusive AF Podcast, where we discuss all things diversity, equity, and inclusion in the workplace. In this episode titled "Getting Inclusive AF with Dan Harr," hosts Katie Van Horn and Jackye Clayton are joined by special guest Dan Harr, a diverse equity inclusion professional and ERG strategist. Together, they delve into the challenges and opportunities surrounding Employee Resource Groups (ERGs) and the impact of diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) efforts in businesses. Dan shares his expertise and insights on aligning ERGs with business strategies, fostering allyship, and creating impactful events while ensuring inclusivity. Join us as we explore the critical role of ERGs in promoting a sense of community and support for marginalized employees, and how they contribute to the overall success and growth of organizations. If you like what you hear, we would like to encourage you to subscribe to our channel! We would also appreciate it if you would rate this channel by going here: RateThisPodcast.com/inclusiveaf   We create this podcast as a labor of love. But if you would like to support this channel you can buy us a cup of coffee here: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/InclusiveAF
Dive into the world of inclusivity and social justice with Katee Van Horn and Jackye Clayton on the "Inclusive AF" podcast. In this episode, Katee and Jackye shine a light on the challenges facing transgender individuals and the urgent need for support and protection of their rights. The hosts discuss the alarming introduction of over 300 bills targeting trans people by state lawmakers in 2022, with ongoing efforts in Arizona. They address the discrimination and harm faced by transgender individuals, especially transgender women of color, and the lack of understanding and resources in crucial systems such as law enforcement and education. Katee and Jackye delve into the importance of diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) programs, emphasizing the significance of taking disciplinary action in cases of mistreatment irrespective of factors like sexual orientation, race, age, or disability. They express their concern about the safety and well-being of children in schools and the lack of protection in existing school policies. The hosts also touch on instances of injustices in the education system. The conversation continues with a focus on the political efforts to restrict and harm transgender kids, in addition to the importance of workplace support and resources for individuals in the transgender community. The hosts advocate for the necessity of holding people accountable for their actions, particularly in cases of sexual assault and other violations against marginalized communities. In addition to these important discussions, Katee and Jackye also share their weekend plans and engage in lighthearted banter about the weather in Arizona. Tune in as Katee and Jackye lead a conversation filled with depth, insight, and the importance of creating greater understanding and support for marginalized communities. Whether you've been a long-time advocate or are new to these issues, this episode promises valuable insights into the world of inclusivity and social justice.
In this episode, Katee and Jackye chat with Rolondo Talbott. Rolondo Talbott (pronouns are he/him/his and we/us/ours) is a passionate DEI leader, veteran, neurodiverse individual who has several invisible disabilities and is driven by the mantra to, “Do Good, Seek Justice, and Correct Oppression.” Rolondo’s current role is in the entertainment sector but before that, he served as the Senior DEI Business Partner for Amazon’s Robotics and Artificial Intelligence Division, where he honed his ability to cultivate inclusivity and equity in global tech. Before that role, Rolondo was a DEI leader in higher education where he studied the intersections between DEI and technology in examining new and innovative ways to make tech and digital more inclusive. But Rolondo’s passion for DEI extends beyond the corporate world. Rolondo’s accolades as an author and columnist further illustrate his dedication to promoting diversity and inclusion in his personal life. His initial children’s book, “Uniquely Me: A Celebration of Multi-cultural and Multi-ethnic Families,” received the prestigious 2017 Children’s Book of the Year award from Disney’s Parenting magazine, “Babble.” And his short-form novel, “1000 Papercuts,” delves into the profound impact of microaggressions on children and can be found in public school libraries across Southern California. His insights and experiences have not gone unnoticed in the media. Rolondo has been featured in Voyage LA online magazine as part of their “People to Know” segment, and he was highlighted in Shoutout LA online magazine’s ’Unique Perspectives” segment. His wisdom and perspective have become valuable touchstones for those seeking to create more equitable environments. In addition to his prolific work, Rolondo is also contributing to groundbreaking research on workplace equity, collaborating with LinkedIn and the University of Southern California’s Race and Equity Center. If you like what you hear, we would like to encourage you to subscribe to our channel! We would also appreciate it if you would rate this channel by going here: RateThisPodcast.com/inclusiveaf We create this podcast as a labor of love. But if you would like to support this channel you can buy us a cup of coffee here: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/InclusiveAF
In this episode of the Inclusive AF Podcast, hosts Katee Van Horn and Jackye Clayton dive deep into the important topics of diversity, equity, and inclusion in the workplace. They pull apart the D, the E, and the I, discussing the unintended consequences of not considering diversity and inclusion and highlighting the need for intentional inclusion at every level of an organization. From the impact of performance reviews to creating an inclusive employee experience, they cover it all! Tune in as they share practical insights on addressing bias in performance evaluations, the importance of recognizing the contributions of people of color within organizations, and the ongoing effort needed to support and promote an inclusive environment. Plus, listen in on their banter about glasses, Black History Month, and their upcoming plans! Join the conversation by watching the full episode now and be sure to like, share, and subscribe for more thought-provoking discussions on diversity, equity, and inclusion in the workplace. If you like what you hear, we would like to encourage you to subscribe to our channel! We would also appreciate it if you would rate this channel by going here: RateThisPodcast.com/inclusiveaf We create this podcast as a labor of love. But if you would like to support this channel you can buy us a cup of coffee here: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/InclusiveAF #InclusiveAF #DiversityandInclusion #DEI #PerformanceReviews #BlackHistoryMonth #InclusiveWorkplace #WorkplaceDiversity #EquityInTheWorkplace #PodcastDiscussion
🌟 Check out the latest episode of The Inclusive AF Podcast, where hosts Katee Van Horn and Jackye Clayton catch up on the current DEI landscape in 2024! 🌍 In this episode, they dive deep into the importance of genuine action in DEI efforts, the significance of providing career opportunities, the impact of clear, actionable feedback, and the need for directness and kindness in communication. They also discuss the significance of impactful conferences and the ongoing commitment to DEI work, sharing personal insights and experiences along the way. Join the conversation as they highlight the importance of supporting each other, the excitement for new voices and conferences, and the need for diversity in the DEI space. 🔗 Make sure to subscribe to The Inclusive AF Podcast for thought-provoking discussions on diversity, equity, and inclusion! #DEI #Diversity #Inclusion #Equality #WorkplaceCulture #Podcast #Conferences #DiversityInTech #NewVoices
In this episode of The Inclusive AF Podcast, host Jackye Clayton is joined by special guest Donald Knight, Chief People Officer at Greenhouse, as they engage in a dynamic, thought-provoking conversation about diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) in the workplace. Donald Knight shares his journey from his initial aspiration to pursue a legal career to his current role as Chief People Officer at Greenhouse, and the pivotal role his CHRL, Katee Kennedy, played in shaping his career path. His extensive experience working at multiple companies, including his current position, adds depth and insight to the conversation. Donald also reflects on his role as a father and emphasizes the importance of raising his children with a deep appreciation for different cultures and perspectives. The episode concludes with Donald Knight's emphasis on the importance of influencing narratives around the future of work and his refusal to relinquish this responsibility to those who may not have the same standards or experiences. Jackye Clayton adds her insights, underlining the crucial distinction between genuine practitioners and individuals who only provide knowledge without true engagement in the work. Links: 1. Greenhouse - https://www.greenhouse.io/ 2. Black Women on Boards - https://www.blackwomenonboards.org/ 3. Textio 2023 DEIB Report - https://textio.com/deib-report-2023 4. Donald Knight's LinkedIn Profile - https://www.linkedin.com/in/proximityknight 5. Inclusive AF Podcast Website - https://www.inclusiveafpodcast.com/
In this episode of The Inclusive AF Podcast, join host Katee Van Horn and Jackye Clayton as they engage in a candid and eye-opening conversation with special guest Jessica Miller-Merrell. They delve into the realms of mental health, authenticity, and HR industry challenges, offering valuable insights and actionable advice. From prioritizing self-care to navigating the impact of social media, the discussion is both thought-provoking and empowering, shedding light on the importance of setting boundaries, personal growth, and leveraging technology for a healthier work-life balance. Tune in for a dynamic dialogue that resonates with professionals and individuals alike, addressing the realities of today's landscape and advocating for inclusivity, well-being, and authenticity. #InclusiveAF #MentalHealth #HRChallenges #Authenticity #WorkLifeBalance #SelfCare #Empowerment #PodcastDiscussion #Inclusivity #Wellbeing #JessicaMillerMerrell
In this episode, Katee chats with Sarah Reynolds. Sarah is an award-winning B2B SaaS marketing expert and proud architect of high-performing teams. A committed advocate for inclusive, people-centric growth strategies, Sarah has over 10 years’ of experience shaping & leading global marketing programs that deliver transformative results for modern companies. Before joining HiBob, Sarah was Chief Marketing Officer at Udacity, where they led global brand, marketing and communications. Previously, they were Head of Commercial Marketing at PTC, where they focused on pipeline generation, value-driven messaging, and marketing operations excellence, and Vice President of Marketing at Salary.com, where they oversaw global marketing. Sarah is openly queer, trans, and non-binary and is keen to dispel hurtful stereotypes often associated with this group and the wider LGBTQIA+ community. Using their leadership position as a platform, Sarah is passionate about the use of inclusive language as a way to call out unconscious bias and dismantle the barriers impacting people’s sense of belonging and access to opportunities. Graduating Summa Cum Laude from Hamilton College, NY State, USA, Sarah lives just outside of Boston, Massachusetts with their husband and greyhound. In addition to their deep interest in the HR space and commitment to democratizing opportunities for all, Sarah is a big foodie, who enjoys cooking, and eating al fresco in the garden when the weather permits. If you like what you hear, we would like to encourage you to subscribe to our channel! We would also appreciate it if you would rate this channel by going here: RateThisPodcast.com/inclusiveaf We create this podcast as a labor of love. But if you would like to support this channel you can buy us a cup of coffee here: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/InclusiveAF
🎙️ In this engaging episode of The Inclusive AF Podcast, hosts Jackye Clayton and Katee Van Horn sit down with Dr. Carol Parker Walsh to delve into the power of authenticity, emotional intelligence, and inclusive leadership in the modern workplace. 🌟 Dr. Walsh, an executive leadership consultant and advocate for women and women of color in organizations, brings her expertise to the table, sharing insights on reframing executive presence, creating psychological safety, and integrating technology without losing human connection. 🌍 Join the conversation about embracing authenticity at work, challenging traditional molds of behavior, and promoting inclusivity in hiring and leadership practices. Hear personal experiences, expert advice, and discussions on the importance of grace, empathy, and creating spaces for individuals to be their true selves. #InclusiveLeadership #AuthenticityAtWork #EmotionalIntelligence #GraceInLeadership #CulturalChange #InclusiveWorkplaces #DiversityAndInclusion #PsychologicalSafety #TechAndHumanConnection #EmpowerWomen Don't miss out on this thought-provoking discussion – tune in now! 🎧
In this episode, Jackye and Katee chat with Dr. Peter Huang. Dr. Huang is the author of Disrupting Racism: Essays by an Asian American Prodigy Professor, a book that explores racism particularly as it relates to Asian Americans, including its causes, consequences, and theoretical frameworks that may be used to understand and overcome racism. It draws on Dr. Huang's personal experiences as a Taiwanese American and his extensive scholarly work in mathematical economics, law, and education to argue that racism is a complex problem that requires a fresh, multifaceted solution. Using mathematical economics, cognitive neuroscience, communication, psychology, and even humor strategies as a supplement to existing anti-racial legislation are some of the racism remedies Dr. Huang suggests in his book. To buy Dr. Huang's book: https://bookshop.org/p/books/disrupting-racism-essays-by-an-asian-american-prodigy-professor-peter-huang/19900457?ean=9781736873465 If you like what you hear, we would like to encourage you to subscribe to our channel! We would also appreciate it if you would rate this channel by going here: RateThisPodcast.com/inclusiveaf We create this podcast as a labor of love. But if you would like to support this channel you can buy us a cup of coffee here: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/InclusiveAF
In this episode, Katee chats with Becky Evan about her research around social identity theory (SIT) to examine how White diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) professionals perceive their role and contributions to advancing workplace DEI. people doing DEI work. Becky is an Associate Professor in a business school specializing in Diversity and Inclusion. Her research and experience is focused on enhancing an organization's diversity and inclusion programs. She is especially interested in breaking concrete and glass ceilings so women and people of color can flourish in leadership positions. You can get a copy of the research Becky recently co-authored here: https://www.emerald.com/insight/conte... If you like what you hear, we would like to encourage you to subscribe to our channel! We would also appreciate it if you would rate this channel by going here: RateThisPodcast.com/inclusiveaf We create this podcast as a labor of love. But if you would like to support this channel you can buy us a cup of coffee here: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/InclusiveAF
During this episode, Jackye and Katee chat with their friend, Sarah Morgan about conferences overall and a wonderful summit she is hosting in October. The HROI (Human Return on Investment) Summit is going to be an amazing event with practical advice from HR practitioners who don't just know the ideas, they show you how to implement it in your own organization. For tickets to the HROI Summit, click on the link below and use "inclusive AF" at check out to get a major discount! https://events.humareso.com/hroi/2023 If you like what you hear, we would like to encourage you to subscribe to our channel! We would also appreciate it if you would rate this channel by going here: RateThisPodcast.com/inclusiveaf We create this podcast as a labor of love. But if you would like to support this channel you can buy us a cup of coffee here: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/InclusiveAF
🎙️🌍 The Inclusive AF Podcast: Getting Inclusive AF with Dr. Roxy Manning 🌍🎙️ In this thought-provoking episode, we dive deep into the world of diversity, equity, inclusion, and belonging with the brilliant Dr. Roxy Manning, a renowned author and expert in the field. Join us as we explore important topics like racism, systems thinking, and effective communication to create a more inclusive world. 🌟 Stay tuned as we delve into the following engaging discussions: 1️⃣ Unveiling the experience of racism in unexpected places 2️⃣ . Empowering marginalized voices through storytelling 3️⃣ . Overcoming barriers to having authentic conversations about DEIB 4️⃣ . Understanding the magnetism of California for LGBTQ+ individuals and refugees 5️⃣ . Embracing systems thinking for a more inclusive society Ready to expand your knowledge and perspective? Don't miss out on this enlightening episode! 🎧 🔥 Join the conversation. Subscribe to The Inclusive AF Podcast now! 🔥 🔗 Have a topic you'd like us to explore or a question for Dr. Roxy Manning? Leave a comment below and let your voice be heard! 🔔 Make sure to hit that notification bell to never miss an episode and follow us on social media for updates and exclusive content. Link to her books can be found here: https://bookshop.org/p/books/how-to-have-antiracist-conversations-embracing-our-full-humanity-to-challenge-white-supremacy-roxy-manning/19287489?ean=9781523003730 https://bookshop.org/p/books/the-antiracist-heart-a-self-compassion-and-activism-workbook-sarah-peyton/19287492?ean=9781523003785 If you like what you hear, we would like to encourage you to subscribe to our channel! We would also appreciate it if you would rate this channel by going here: RateThisPodcast.com/inclusiveaf We create this podcast as a labor of love. But if you would like to support this channel you can buy us a cup of coffee here: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/InclusiveAF #InclusiveAf #DiversityAndInclusion #BelongingMatters #EffectiveCommunication #AntiRacism #DEIBWork #InclusionMatters #PodcastRecommendation #RoxyManningPhD #InclusiveConversations #Authenticity #SystemsThinking #LGBTQ+ #Refugees #CaliforniaDreaming #Empowerment #InclusiveSociety #SocialJustice #LetsTalkAboutDEIB #SubscribeNow
🎧 Tune in to the latest episode of The Inclusive AF Podcast, where we dive deep into the world of inclusive design and equity-centered practices with our special guest, Sheryl Cababa. 🌍💙 Join us as Sheryl, a former business analyst turned advocate for inclusive solutions, shares her unique insights and passion for taking things one step further to foster a more inclusive world. 🌟 From leveraging design thinking and human-centered design to integrating systems thinking into the design process, Sheryl offers invaluable knowledge on how to create impactful and sustainable solutions for complex issues. 🚀 Discover the power of broad stakeholder involvement and the importance of prioritizing user experience over cost and ease of implementation when designing software and learning management systems (LMSs). 📚 Prepare to be inspired as Sheryl sheds light on the benefits of inclusive online learning, elevating student voices, and serving historically underserved communities in education. 🎒👩‍🏫✨ With engaging anecdotes, thought-provoking insights, and a commitment to tackling equity challenges head-on, this episode will leave you motivated to design a better, more inclusive world for everyone. 🌈✊ Don't miss out on this inclusive conversation! Hit that play button now and join the movement 💪🎙️ #InclusiveAFPodcast #DesignForEquity #HumanCenteredDesign #SystemsThinking #EducationForAll #InclusiveOnlineLearning #StudentVoices #EquityMatters #InclusiveDesign #TacklingChallenges Her book can be found here: https://bookshop.org/p/books/closing-the-loop-systems-thinking-for-designers-sheryl-cababa/19583939?ean=9781959029885 If you like what you hear, we would like to encourage you to subscribe to our channel! We would also appreciate it if you would rate this channel by going here: RateThisPodcast.com/inclusiveaf We create this podcast as a labor of love. But if you would like to support this channel you can buy us a cup of coffee here: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/InclusiveAF
In this thought-provoking episode of The Inclusive AF Podcast, join guest speaker Nani Vishwanath as she delves into the future of work and its impact on diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI). From hybrid and remote work arrangements to the need for purposeful in-person interactions, Nani breaks down the importance of considering the unique needs of individuals with various identities. Discover the research-backed benefits of remote work for people of color and gain insights on creating a culture of belonging. Join hosts Katee Van Horn and Jackye Clayton in this engaging conversation and explore how DEI is not just a "nice to have," but a critical aspect of business success. Don't miss out on this eye-opening episode - tune in now! #InclusiveAF #FutureOfWork #DEI #DiversityandInclusion #EquityandInclusion
Join us for an empowering and informative episode of The Inclusive AF Podcast as we sit down with the incredible Shalita Grant to discuss all things inclusive hair care! ✨In this episode, Katee Van Horn and Jackye Clayton chat with Shalita Grant. Shalita, a Tony-nominated actress, made headlines when she courageously left a popular TV show due to her struggle with traction alopecia and hair damage, which affected her in front of millions of viewers. Determined to find a solution, she developed a groundbreaking plant-based hair treatment addressing her complex type 4 hair issues. This led her to establish Four Naturals Hair in her dining room in Toluca Lake, California, in 2019, which has now expanded into a nationwide salon and home care treatment system. With its plant-based active ingredients, the Four Naturals Treatment has become a transformative solution for textured hair, allowing Shalita's characters to look their best. In this episode, Shalita shares her personal journey as a black actress in Hollywood, shedding light on the challenges she faced and the damaging effects of constantly changing hairstyles for roles. Discover how she took matters into her own hands and, inspired by her own experiences, created the groundbreaking Four Naturals treatment to address the unique needs of type four hair. We dive deep into the underrepresentation and understudy of type four hair, the erasure of its unique needs, and the damaging impact of societal standards. Shalita opens up about her trauma therapy journey, embracing her natural hair and finding beauty and movement in her unique tresses. Get ready to be inspired and empowered by her story! Join us as we explore the intersection of race, hair, and Hollywood, and discover tangible tips and insights for embracing and caring for your own hair, regardless of texture. We cover it all, from haircare techniques rooted in science to the importance of inclusivity in the hairstyling industry! Don't miss out on this eye-opening conversation. Hit that subscribe button, turn on the notification bell, and tune in to The Inclusive AF Podcast for a dose of inclusivity, empowerment, and hair love. 🎙️💖 Show Notes: Find Four Naturals Hair Here - https://fournaturalshair.com Diversity Style Guide: https://www.diversitystyleguide.com #InclusiveAFPodcast #ShalitaGrant #InclusiveBeauty #HaircareRevolution #TypeFourHair #EmbraceYourTexture #InclusiveRepresentation #NaturalHairJourney #CosmeticChemistry #HairEmpowerment #ScienceBasedHairCare If you like what you hear, we would like to encourage you to subscribe to our channel! We would also appreciate it if you would rate this channel by going here: RateThisPodcast.com/inclusiveaf We create this podcast as a labor of love. But if you would like to support this channel you can buy us a cup of coffee here: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/InclusiveAF
In this episode, Jackye shares a bit about her medical journey and how the experience is for many Black women with medical issues. This episode is deeply personal and a must listen! If you like what you hear, we would like to encourage you to subscribe to our channel! We would also appreciate it if you would rate this channel by going here: RateThisPodcast.com/inclusiveaf We create this podcast as a labor of love. But if you would like to support this channel you can buy us a cup of coffee here: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/InclusiveAF
In this episode, Jackye flies solo with Michelle Rhee. Michelle Rhee is cofounder of BuildWithin, a software platform that provides employers with the ability to create and manage apprenticeship and employee learning programs covering everything from software development to digital marketing. There are currently more than 40,000 people across the US using the BuildWithin platform. After nearly 20 years of working in educational nonprofits and later serving as DC’s first Chancellor of the 50,000+ student public school district, Michelle is uniquely familiar with the educational and workforce development needs required by today’s companies – especially as AI transforms the workplace and the cost of a college degree continues to price out the average minimum-wage earner. Michelle is especially passionate about modern tech apprenticeships and how they are being used to bring marginalized people (e.g., people of color, retirees, neuro-diverse, veterans, etc.) into the technology workforce and provide a reliable pathway to the middle class. If you like what you hear, we would like to encourage you to subscribe to our channel! We would also appreciate it if you would rate this channel by going here: RateThisPodcast.com/inclusiveaf We create this podcast as a labor of love. But if you would like to support this channel you can buy us a cup of coffee here: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/InclusiveAF
In this episode, Katee and Jackye sit down with Beth Ridley. Beth is a corporate executive turned organizational transformation consultant, speaker, author and CEO of Ridley Consulting Group. Beth combines 25 years of global leadership and management consulting experience with expertise in diversity and inclusion and positive psychology to help organizations transform their workplace culture. Beth’s work is featured in national publications and she frequently delivers keynotes and workshops at events around the world. Beth holds a BA in English Literature from the University of Virginia, an MA in International Relations from Tufts University and an MBA from Columbia University. Beth has lived in London, Tokyo, Johannesburg and Bangkok and now resides in Milwaukee, Wisconsin with her husband and three children. To buy her online resources, click here: https://ridleyconsultants.com/products/ If you like what you hear, we would like to encourage you to subscribe to our channel! We would also appreciate it if you would rate this channel by going here: RateThisPodcast.com/inclusiveaf We create this podcast as a labor of love. But if you would like to support this channel you can buy us a cup of coffee here: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/InclusiveAF
In this episode, Jackye and Katee speak with Dr. Raymona Lawrence. Dr. Raymona H. Lawrence is the Founder and CEO of Dr. Raymona H Lawrence Coaching, LLC. Her life's work and heartfelt mission are to help individuals and organizations incorporate Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion into their business strategy so they can authentically connect with, recruit, and retain diverse networks of customers and team members. Dr. Lawrence is a Software/Services as a System (SAAS) Agency Owner, and a Diversity, Equity, & Inclusion Strategist, Speaker, Coach, and Consultant for network marketers, small business owners, and solopreneurs. She has developed the iEngageU platform-an ALL inclusive set of business systems for business owners and has delivered engaging and thought-provoking DEI speeches and training to thousands of network marketers across the United States and Globally. She has facilitated DEI training and consulted with companies such as Arbonne International, Rodan & Fields, and Forma Therapeutics. If you like what you hear, we would like to encourage you to subscribe to our channel! We would also appreciate it if you would rate this channel by going here: RateThisPodcast.com/inclusiveaf We create this podcast as a labor of love. But if you would like to support this channel you can buy us a cup of coffee here: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/InclusiveAF
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