The Interviews

ESPN NFL Nation Packers reporter Rob Demovsky joins Wilde and Tausch to share his latest insights on how the coaching carousel around the NFL has impacted assistants coming and going for the Green Bay Packers.

It's Feel Good Friday on Wilde and Tausch featuring two-time US Open Champion Andy North fresh off hosting Andy North Trivia Night in Madison benefiting the UW Carbone Cancer Center.

GKB President Craig Karmazin joins Jen, Gabe & Chewy for a thoughtful, big-picture conversation about Giannis Antetokounmpo’s injury, the growing trade speculation around the Milwaukee Bucks, and why making a move right now would likely be the wrong decision. 013026 Craig on JGC Rather than reacting emotionally to a messy season, Karmazin argues for patience — focusing on Giannis’ long-term health, the unique timing of the NBA calendar, and the potential upside quietly forming beneath the surface. 🏀 Why the Doc Rivers comment isn’t the real issue Karmazin addresses the uproar around Doc Rivers’ comments about Joel Embiid, and pushes back on the idea that the quote materially changes anything. In his view: Fans have already decided Doc Rivers is part of the problem Anything Doc says right now will be received poorly The comment didn’t alter Giannis’ future or the Bucks’ direction Doc is going to talk. That’s who he is. The real issue, Karmazin argues, is losing — not sound bites. ⏰ Why now is the worst time to trade Giannis Karmazin is clear: If the Bucks ever trade Giannis, this week is the worst possible moment. He explains: Teams currently believe they are “one move away” Many franchises are overvaluing their own players Trade offers right now would reflect optimism, not desperation Once the season ends and 29 teams lose, valuations change dramatically. Players who are “untouchable” today suddenly become available. As Karmazin bluntly puts it: “Twenty-nine teams are going to lose this year.” That’s when real leverage begins. 🏥 Health is the real priority With Giannis dealing with his fourth injury in 18 months, Karmazin believes the Bucks’ smartest move may be to let the season play out — even if that means losing games. Not tanking. Just reality. Without Giannis, the Bucks haven’t won. That isn’t strategy — it’s evidence. And with: No international basketball this summer No Olympics, World Cup, or EuroBasket A rare chance for full recovery This could be the most rested Giannis has been in nearly a decade. That matters far more than chasing a low-probability play-in run. 📊 The draft could quietly change everything One of Karmazin’s most interesting points centers on the NBA Draft. With the Pelicans unlikely to exercise their pick swap, the Bucks could retain a very high first-round pick — potentially the best young player Giannis has ever been paired with early in his career. Karmazin notes: Chris Middleton blossomed later Damian Lillard arrived past his peak The Bucks have never added a true top-tier prospect alongside prime Giannis This draft, combined with other assets, could reset the roster faster than expected — without blowing everything up. 🧠 Giannis wants to stay — but reality matters Karmazin believes Giannis genuinely wants to: Stay in Milwaukee Win more championships here Avoid chasing titles elsewhere But wanting something doesn’t always make it possible. As he explains with a blunt analogy, sometimes dreams run into reality, and smart organizations prepare for both outcomes. ⚖️ The bottom line Craig Karmazin’s stance is measured but firm: Trading Giannis now would be reactionary Protecting his health should be priority No. 1 Letting the season end naturally improves leverage The Bucks still have options — they just aren’t obvious yet Patience doesn’t mean complacency. It means waiting until the moment actually makes sense. 🎧 A calm, rational, and much-needed counterweight to the panic surrounding Giannis and the Bucks — only on Jen, Gabe & Chewy. Giannis Antetokounmpo, Milwaukee Bucks, Craig Karmazin, Giannis trade rumors, Bucks injury update, NBA trade deadline, Giannis calf injury, Bucks draft pick, NBA draft lottery, Bucks future, Wisconsin sports, ESPN Milwaukee, Jen Gabe and Chewy

Evan Cohen of Unsportsmanlike joins Jim, Matt & Molly to talk about the fallout from yesterday's report that Giannis is ready for a new home and the Bucks are finally willing to trade him! Evan explains his take about why he'd never trade Giannis, and he lays out his 3 chances the Bucks have to improve that don't necessarily include trading their superstar. How much can we trust the Bucks' front office to make the right trade, how important is it for this franchise to keep butts in seats, and could they replicate the OKC model? Everyone gives their stance on what the Bucks should do, and they ask the important question -- are we being too kind with Giannis in all of this? Jim wraps asking Evan how he "pregames" going to the dentist, how does he think Jim should shave his head, and what's he think of Jim's new vanity plats -- PPLIKME!

ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter joins Jen, Gabe & Chewy with immediate, blunt reaction to one of the most shocking decisions in modern football history: Bill Belichick not being elected as a first-ballot Hall of Famer. 012826 Schefty on JGC Schefter doesn’t mince words — calling the decision “embarrassing” for the Pro Football Hall of Fame and accusing voters of allowing personal grudges, ego, and self-importance to override objective reality. 🏈 Why the Belichick snub makes no sense Schefter lays out the resume that should have made Belichick a lock: Six Super Bowls as a head coach Eight total Super Bowl rings One of the highest win totals in NFL history Architect of the most dominant dynasty the league has ever seen And yet, at least 11 voters left him off entirely, a fact Schefter finds indefensible. He argues that if voters want the prestige, access, and platform that come with Hall of Fame voting, they should also be required to own their decisions publicly. “If you’re man enough to vote him out, be man enough to say you did it.” ⚠️ Spygate, Deflategate & selective morality The conversation turns to the uncomfortable subtext behind the snub: Spygate and Deflategate. Schefter believes those scandals absolutely influenced voting — but stresses they were already punished by the league. The Hall of Fame has no morality clause, and retroactively applying one now sets a dangerous precedent. As Chewy points out: “Put Spygate on the plaque if you want — but don’t pretend he’s not first ballot.” 🧠 The Brady problem One of the most important ripple effects discussed: What does this mean for Tom Brady? Schefter is unequivocal: If Brady is voted in on the first ballot while Belichick was not, the Hall of Fame should “shut the doors.” The inconsistency would expose the process as broken, emotional, and unserious. 🏟️ This hurts other coaches too Schefter explains this isn’t just about Belichick. By playing games with ballots, voters: Blocked other deserving coaches like Mike Holmgren, Mike Shanahan, George Seifert, and Tom Coughlin Created a backlog that could last years Turned the Hall into a popularity contest instead of an honor roll If the greatest coach of all time can be held out, no one is safe. 🟢 Packers angle: Jonathan Gannon context The segment briefly shifts to Green Bay, where Schefter confirms: Jonathan Gannon had real interest from multiple teams The Packers were right to move quickly His reputation around the league remains strong despite Arizona Schefter says Green Bay got a coach who shouldn’t have been fired as a head coach — and one who will be judged strictly by results, not viral clips. 🏈 Jim Leonhard & the coaching carousel Schefter also weighs in on Jim Leonhard, confirming he remains a leading candidate for Buffalo’s defensive coordinator job and that it would not be surprising to see him land there once the interview process concludes. The segment closes with Schefter reacting emotionally to Mike McCarthy’s return to Pittsburgh, praising his press conference and describing the hire as one of the most meaningful moments of the coaching cycle. ⚖️ The bottom line Adam Schefter leaves listeners with a stark conclusion: The Hall of Fame process is broken Voters let ego outweigh history Transparency is the only fix Belichick will eventually get in — but the stain is already there. 🎧 A fiery, nationally relevant conversation about legacy, fairness, and why football’s gatekeepers sometimes do the most damage — only on Jen, Gabe & Chewy. Bill Belichick, Pro Football Hall of Fame, Adam Schefter, Belichick snub, NFL Hall of Fame voting, Spygate, Deflategate, Tom Brady Hall of Fame, NFL controversy, Hall of Fame voters, Packers coaching, Jonathan Gannon, Jim Leonhard, ESPN Milwaukee, Jen Gabe and Chewy

Lane Grindle of the Brewers Radio Network joins Jim, Matt, and Molly to discuss Freddy Peralta, his favorite Bob Uecker memories, a potential lock out, and much more!

ESPN Packers reporter Rob Demovsky joins Jen, Gabe & Chewy to give a clear, insider breakdown of the Jonathan Gannon hire, why the Packers moved fast, and how Matt LaFleur is reshaping his coaching staff in a pivotal offseason. 012662 Rob on JGC The segment opens with Demovsky answering the biggest question Packers fans have been asking since the news broke: Was Jonathan Gannon the Packers’ top choice — or did they rush and settle? Rob explains that Gannon was going to be a defensive coordinator somewhere, and Green Bay believed they could not wait any longer without risking losing him to another team. That urgency came at the cost of not interviewing Jim Leonhard, who would have been available later — a decision that strongly suggests Gannon was always the Packers’ preferred candidate. 🏈 Why Matt LaFleur liked Jonathan Gannon Demovsky outlines the specific traits LaFleur valued: Gannon has already sat in the head-coach chair, even if the Arizona stint failed His defenses have generated elite pass-rush pressure, highlighted by 70 sacks with the Eagles in 2022 He views defense from the secondary forward, similar to Jeff Hafley LaFleur found Gannon difficult to scheme against when preparing game plans The takeaway: this wasn’t a desperation move — it was a targeted hire based on experience and scheme fit. 🔄 The Jim Leonhard reality Rob pushes back on the assumption that Leonhard was passed over unfairly. In his view: If Leonhard were the top choice, the Packers would have waited Moving quickly confirms Gannon sat atop the board Timing and urgency mattered more than local familiarity The decision trades comfort and popularity for league-wide demand — a risk LaFleur was willing to take. 🧠 What’s happening with the rest of the staff The conversation then shifts to coaching dominoes: Adam Stenavich interviewing in Tennessee The possibility of internal promotions vs outside hires Whether LaFleur’s history of waiting too long to move on from assistants is repeating Which Packers assistants Jeff Hafley might take with him to Miami Demovsky notes that LaFleur often delays staff decisions until forced, citing the Mo Drayton situation as precedent — and suggests changes on offense could still be coming. 🏟️ Rich Bisaccia’s misunderstood role Rob addresses fan frustration with Rich Bisaccia, explaining that: His value inside the building is far greater than fans realize He is respected as a former head coach and locker-room presence His “associate head coach” title is largely about mentorship and leadership, not play-calling Demovsky is clear: Bisaccia isn’t secretly running game decisions — he’s a stabilizing influence for a young coaching staff. 🎤 That viral Jonathan Gannon audio The segment reacts to the widely circulated clip of Gannon’s motivational speech. Rob shares what he’s heard from reporters who covered Gannon in Arizona: He’s outspoken and opinionated Not a cliché-spitting coach More polished as a coordinator than as a head coach Demovsky doesn’t see the clip as damaging — just evidence that Gannon is comfortable being himself, even if it comes off awkward in isolation. ⚖️ The bottom line Rob Demovsky leaves listeners with a grounded conclusion: Jonathan Gannon was in demand The Packers prioritized experience and urgency Staff changes aren’t finished And Matt LaFleur is clearly trying to evolve his leadership approach This hire won’t be judged by press conferences or viral clips — it will be judged by discipline, pass rush, and late-game defense. 🎧 A must-listen breakdown of Green Bay’s most important coaching decision of the offseason — with real context, not speculation — only on Jen, Gabe & Chewy.

ESPN NFL Nation Packers reporter Rob Demovsky joins Wilde and Tausch as the Green Bay Packers continue the search for a new defensive coordinator and speculation continues on the future of offensive coordinator Adam Stenavich and special teams coordinator Rich Bisaccia. Is the DC role Jim Leonhard's job to lose?

It’s Friday, which means a wide-ranging, big-picture conversation — and Craig Karmazin joins Jen, Gabe & Chewy to tackle two of the most emotionally charged topics in Wisconsin sports right now: Giannis Antetokounmpo’s frustration with the Milwaukee Bucks and the Brewers trading Freddie Peralta. 012326 Craig on JGC The segment blends perspective, patience, and realism — pushing back on panic while acknowledging just how uncomfortable things feel in both locker rooms. 🏀 Giannis’ frustration: transparency or warning sign? The conversation opens with Giannis repeatedly calling out teammates for not playing hard, not sharing the ball, and not competing at a high enough level. Craig explains why this moment feels different than anything Giannis has faced before: This is the first time in his prime the Bucks have been this far down the standings Previous “adversity” meant being 3rd or 4th in the conference — not 11th Giannis has never dealt with this much sustained struggle as the guy Craig frames Giannis’ comments not as diva behavior, but as fierce competitiveness colliding with unfamiliar failure. He argues adversity either forges great teams — or exposes bad ones — and this stretch will determine which version the Bucks truly are. 🧠 Why panic is premature Despite the frustration, Craig urges perspective: Giannis has never asked out The Bucks have never signaled they’re trading him Media volume doesn’t equal organizational intent He pushes back on national voices claiming a trade is imminent, reminding listeners that actions matter more than talk — and Giannis’ actions still point toward commitment, not escape. 🎯 Two possible endings — both interesting Craig lays out a rare scenario where both outcomes are compelling: Option 1: The Bucks rally from 11th, make the Play-In, push into the playoffs, and prove that adversity strengthened them. That would require massive growth, accountability, and cohesion — and would be one of the most impressive runs of Giannis’ career. Option 2: The Bucks miss the playoffs — but own their draft pick in one of the most top-heavy NBA drafts in years, potentially landing a franchise-altering talent. Either way, Craig argues this isn’t a dead-end situation — it’s a fork in the road. ⚾ Brewers trade Freddie Peralta: logic vs emotion The conversation then pivots to baseball, where Craig reacts to the Brewers trading Freddie Peralta. He admits initial disappointment, explaining why Peralta felt like: A rotation anchor A clubhouse leader The successor to Willy Adames’ emotional presence Craig says if the Brewers’ farm system were thin, the move would be indefensible. But with the system already ranked top-tier in baseball, he understands the logic — even if it makes the team less likely to win a World Series in 2026. 🌱 Trust the process… but feel the loss Craig acknowledges the emotional side fans are feeling: Losing a reliable ace hurts Pitching depth was tested hard early last season A Peralta start brought stability every fifth day But he also reminds listeners that nearly every time fans doubted a Brewers pitching trade — Corbin Burnes included — the front office ended up being right. The trade may not feel good — but it may still be smart. ⚖️ The bottom line Craig closes with balance: Giannis’ frustration is understandable — not alarming The Bucks are still writing this season’s story The Brewers remain competitive, even if the ceiling dips Wisconsin sports are in a moment of transition, not collapse Sometimes adversity breaks teams. Sometimes it clarifies them. 🎧 A thoughtful, grounded, and big-picture conversation about leadership, patience, and the uncomfortable middle ground between trust and frustration — only on Jen, Gabe & Chewy. Giannis Antetokounmpo, Milwaukee Bucks, Giannis frustration, Bucks adversity, Craig Karmazin, Brewers trade Freddie Peralta, Milwaukee Brewers, Brewers pitching, Brewers farm system, Wisconsin sports, NBA trade rumors ...

Wisconsin Badgers head coach Luke Fickell joins Wilde and Tausch. Discussion of the evolution of the NCAA Transfer Portal, NIL, the outlook for Wisconsin football in 2026, and more.

ESPN NFL Nation reporter Rob Demovsky joins Kyle, Brust & Nortman to break down Matt LaFleur’s contract extension, Jeff Hafley leaving Green Bay for Miami, and what changes could be coming next for the Packers’ coaching staff. Rob also explains why the organization is prioritizing stability, how Ed Policy is approaching his first major decisions, and what this all means for the Packers heading into the offseason.

Former Green Bay Packers offensive lineman Bryan Bulaga joins Wilde and Tausch for his weekly appearance. Discussion of what's next for the Green Bay Packers this offseason - particularly when hiring a new defensive coordinator - and more.

ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter joins Jen, Gabe & Chewy with breaking news, league-wide context, and a blunt assessment of where professional football is headed next — including why an 18-game regular season is no longer a matter of if, but when. 012126 Schefty on JGC The segment opens with immediate Packers news, as Schefter provides updates on Green Bay’s defensive coordinator search following Jeff Hafley’s departure. He confirms the Packers are interviewing Christian Parker, Jonathan Gannon, and Durante Jones, and explains why Jonathan Gannon’s poor head-coaching record in Arizona should not overshadow his reputation as a top-tier defensive mind around the league. Schefter adds that if Brian Flores does not land a head-coaching job, Minnesota is fully prepared to bring him back — and that teams should not hesitate to overpay elite coordinators, especially in today’s NFL where continuity and scheme stability matter more than ever. 🏈 Matt LaFleur’s contract: a real commitment Schefter then provides clarity on Matt LaFleur’s extension, confirming: The deal is multi-year The money is significant This is not a “patch-it-up” or symbolic extension In Schefter’s words, the contract signals that Green Bay made a real commitment, not a lame-duck compromise. That said, he delivers an important reality check: Almost every NFL coach is on the hot seat every year. Even elite names like Mike Tomlin, Sean McDermott, and John Harbaugh face pressure annually — extensions don’t eliminate expectations. 🔄 Why the coaching carousel exploded Schefter breaks down why this cycle reached 10 head-coaching changes, noting: Owners no longer care about eating $30–50 million in buyouts Franchise valuations make firing staffs financially irrelevant Teams exist to sell hope, not patience In what he calls an “ADD world,” patience is no longer rewarded — and coaching stability is far more fragile than fans realize. 💰 The 18-game season: owners already know the answer The core of the segment centers on Robert Kraft’s comments, which Schefter agrees were essentially the quiet part said out loud. Schefter explains: Owners are “hell-bent” on getting to 18 games One preseason game would be eliminated A second bye week would be added The change will be framed as player-friendly The real driver is TV inventory and money Chewy offers a blunt hypothetical: If players are offered more money, fewer preseason snaps, and extra rest, most will say yes. 🧠 What players SHOULD be demanding Schefter strongly agrees with the show’s central argument: Players need to think long-term, not paycheck-to-paycheck. The crew argues players should demand: Lifetime health insurance Long-term medical care for all players, not just stars Real protection for the majority of players who never see generational wealth Schefter acknowledges the core problem: The NFLPA lacks leadership, unity, and leverage. With every vote counting equally — from Patrick Mahomes to a backup punter — owners have consistently outmaneuvered the union. 📉 Injuries, fatigue & football’s breaking point The conversation turns sobering as they reflect on: The explosion of ACL and Achilles injuries Players becoming “walking wounded” late in seasons The contradiction between player safety messaging and expansion Schefter admits: 17 games already felt like a lot. 18 is even more. Yet he reiterates: It’s coming anyway. 🎓 College football isn’t slowing down The discussion widens to college football, where: Indiana played 16 games The national championship now lands on January 25 The calendar continues to expand with no real offseason Schefter points out that downtime for players, coaches, and media is essentially gone — and expansion at both levels is accelerating wear-and-tear earlier than ever. ⚖️ The bottom line Schefter closes with a reality that defines the entire segment: Owners are organized Players are fragmented Fans complain — and still watch Football ...

Rob Demovsky joins Jen, Gabe, and Chewy to discuss Matt LaFleur's multiyear contract extension, officially inked over the weekend. Demovsky explains the timeline and what comes next for Green Bay as the offseason continues.

Evan Cohen of Unsportsmanlike joins Jim & Molly as they hold it down on Day 5 of Matt LaFleur contract watch! They discuss what Matt LaFleur actually deserves from the Packers — and should Green Bay make him the highest-paid coach in the NFL? Evan also teases that something could be coming soon, and he validates Molly's feelings of doubt in DC Jeff Hafley's stock as a head-coach candidate! The also dive why Evan wouldn't take Matt LaFleur over ANY of the other coaches in the NFC North, how much responsibility falls on the coaching staff vs. roster construction for their playoff flameout, and why the Packers don’t feel as “nasty” or intimidating as their NFC North rivals. Do the Packers need an IDENTITY CHANGE at head coach?

ESPN NFL insider Adam Schefter joins Jen, Gabe & Chewy to unpack the biggest question in Green Bay: What happens next with Matt LaFleur and the Packers? 011425 Schefty on JGC Schefter explains why there’s still no deal between LaFleur and the Packers, despite days of negotiations, and why that means the situation is officially “up in the air.” He lays out how both sides want an agreement, but length, money, and expectations are all potential sticking points. Topics Schefter dives into: 🏈 LaFleur’s leverage & the coaching market Why multiple teams would have interest if LaFleur hit the market How the nine head-coach openings impact his leverage Why Green Bay has to act quickly before other jobs start filling up 🔁 Could the Packers trade Matt LaFleur? Schefter walks through past examples of coaches being traded for picks — including Mike Holmgren to Seattle for a 2nd-rounder — and compares that to LaFleur’s potential value in today’s market. He explains why a team might instead choose a coach like John Harbaugh or Kevin Stefanski and avoid giving up draft capital altogether. ⏱️ “We’re on the clock” Why Schefter believes there is a timeline, even if it isn’t written down Why, for the sake of everyone involved, a decision should come this week How the Harbaugh domino could force Green Bay’s hand 💰 The real head-coach money tier Schefter and the crew talk through the going rate for top NFL coaches: Why “yesterday’s prices are not today’s prices” How salaries for guys like Andy Reid, Sean Payton, Mike Tomlin and John Harbaugh set the market Why hiring an elite coach now means paying well into eight figures per year 🧠 How the league views Matt LaFleur Schefter shares that a “very, very respected” NFL voice told him LaFleur is viewed as a top-5 head coach in the league, especially as an offensive mind. That perspective may not match how some Packers fans feel right now, but it absolutely shapes his market and the way other teams would pursue him. The segment wraps with Schefter drawing a parallel between his own house being under construction and the Packers being “under construction” too — and why everyone needs clarity so they can move on, one way or another. 🎧 Inside info, real timelines, and an honest look at LaFleur’s value across the league — only with Adam Schefter on Jen, Gabe & Chewy. Packers, Green Bay Packers, Adam Schefter, Matt LaFleur, LaFleur contract, Packers head coach, NFL coaching carousel, coach trade compensation, John Harbaugh, Kevin Stefanski, Packers front office, ESPN Milwaukee, Jen Gabe and Chewy

ESPN NFL Nation reporter Rob Demovsky joins Jen, Gabe & Chewy to unpack the Packers’ most important offseason decision: Matt LaFleur’s contract. After reports surfaced that Green Bay is expected to try to work out an extension in the coming days, Demovsky explains why the wording matters — and why this situation is far from a slam dunk. Key insights from the segment include: 🏈 Why the Packers want stability Demovsky references Mike Holmgren’s belief that quarterback success depends on coaching continuity — and why the Packers may feel keeping LaFleur is the best way to maximize Jordan Love’s prime years. 💰 Why this could still fall apart Rob outlines multiple realistic scenarios: The Packers offer an extension they know LaFleur won’t accept LaFleur demands top-of-market money he knows the team won’t meet Both sides “try” but leave themselves an exit In Rob’s words, both sides still have an out. ⏱️ The clock is ticking Demovsky stresses that this decision can’t drag on: Coaching candidates are already interviewing Waiting past midweek risks losing leverage A stalemate by Wednesday or Thursday would be dangerous 🔄 Jeff Hafley’s likely departure Rob increases his odds of Hafley landing a head-coaching job to 75%, noting: Five interviews already completed Strong interview skills LaFleur’s own comments suggesting he expects to lose him 🏗️ The power-structure dilemma The conversation dives into whether Green Bay restores an old-school structure where the GM controls the head coach — and how messy that becomes if done after extending LaFleur. Demovsky emphasizes that clarity matters as much as commitment: “If you think he’s the guy, then the money should follow.” The segment closes with a sobering truth: Fans may be emotional about Saturday night’s collapse — but players will move on far faster than the fan base. The real decisions now belong to the front office. 🎧 Clear-eyed reporting, real timelines, and inside context on the Packers’ most important offseason question — only on Jen, Gabe & Chewy. Packers, Green Bay Packers, Rob Demovsky, Matt LaFleur contract, Packers coaching future, Jeff Hafley, Jordan Love, Packers offseason, NFL coaching carousel, Ed Policy, Brian Gutekunst, ESPN Milwaukee, Jen Gabe and Chewy

Evan Cohen of Unsportsmanlike joins Jim & Molly ahead of Saturday's Packers vs Bears matchup in the Wild Card! They open with Evan jumping on the roast of Jim's Eminem-esque microphone handling before Evan explains why he put the Packers on his Hot Mess list -- the mounting distractions surrounding Matt LaFleur's future in Green Bay! They also discuss if LaFleur or Ben Johnson has more pressure in this game, what staff changes LaFleur could make rather than losing his job, and is anyone playing out how the Packers could get to the Super Bowl? Jim also explains why feels like both of these teams are "one and done at best", and Evan teases his final score prediction for the game!

It’s Friday, and that means a free-flowing, wide-ranging conversation — this time diving well beyond the Packers. In this segment, Craig Karmazin joins Jen, Gabe & Chewy for a thoughtful and occasionally hilarious discussion that touches everything from Hail Mary officiating controversies to why college football culture almost never translates to the NFL. 🏈 The Hail Mary problem The conversation opens with frustration over how Hail Mary plays are officiated differently than every other snap: Why obvious pass interference goes uncalled Why officials suddenly change standards at the end of games Whether teams deserve “one more play” when a receiver is clearly grabbed The group compares it to controversial late fouls in college basketball and debates whether outcomes should be decided by rule exceptions. 🚫 Targeting & intent Craig explains why targeting rules are so difficult to enforce: Intent is nearly impossible to judge at full speed Player trajectory can’t change instantly Why punishing players for physics creates bad outcomes The takeaway: player safety matters, but the current rule often fails both players and fans. 🎓 College vs NFL coaching — why culture fails The discussion shifts into one of the strongest takes of the segment: Culture matters far more in college than it ever will in the NFL. Craig explains why: College coaches mold teenagers NFL coaches manage fully formed professionals Ego count jumps from 6 to 53 overnight They debate Dan Lanning, Kurt Cignetti, Nick Saban, and why even legendary college coaches struggle when they try to make the jump. 🧠 Why the NFL is a different sport Craig argues that NFL success is less about culture and more about: Scheme adaptability Ego management Quarterback alignment Willingness to pivot Tom Coughlin is used as an example of someone who succeeded only after changing his personality. 🍻 Bonus Friday chaos The segment also includes: Chewy’s monthly bourbon hour Bears fans being the most annoying fans in Wisconsin bars Why Packers fans don’t need to announce themselves Lighthearted banter that reminds listeners this is still Jen, Gabe & Chewy 🎧 Smart debate, strong opinions, and classic Friday energy — only on Jen, Gabe & Chewy. College football, NFL coaching, Hail Mary rule, pass interference debate, targeting rule, college vs NFL coaches, Nick Saban, John Harbaugh, Dan Lanning, Kurt Cignetti, Tom Coughlin, Packers Bears rivalry, ESPN Milwaukee, Jen Gabe and Chewy

ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter joins Jen, Gabe & Chewy with major breaking news: John Harbaugh has been fired after 18 seasons, and the NFL coaching market exploded instantly. Schefter reveals that within 45 minutes of Harbaugh’s firing, seven teams reached out to his agent — including organizations that currently have head coaches. He compares the situation to “cheating on your spouse,” explaining how quietly teams must operate when exploring upgrades without blowing up their current locker room. The conversation naturally turns to Green Bay and Matt LaFleur. Schefter explains why LaFleur’s situation is unresolved but clear: The Packers want him back LaFleur wants to be back The real issue is money, term, and approach Schefter lays out what a fair deal might look like, using Ben Johnson’s rumored salary as a baseline and stressing that how the Packers negotiate matters more than the final number. Come in low, and you risk alienating a coach who would immediately have options across the league. Other key insights include: Why Harbaugh instantly became the hottest candidate in football Why Sean McDermott (and others) should be nervous after this firing Why modern NFL teams prioritize offensive head coaches tied to quarterbacks Why LaFleur would have a job “in a moment” if he ever hit the open market How Ed Policy’s leadership style remains largely unknown — but influential The segment wraps with a preview of Packers–Bears, with Schefter calling it the best-case scenario matchup for Green Bay — but also the most devastating loss possible if it goes wrong. 🎧 A must-listen, league-wide perspective on coaching power, leverage, and why the Packers’ biggest offseason decision may already be taking shape. Packers, Green Bay Packers, Adam Schefter, John Harbaugh fired, Matt LaFleur contract, NFL coaching carousel, Ben Johnson salary, NFL head coaches, Packers offseason, Ed Policy, ESPN Milwaukee, Jen Gabe and Chewy