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The Jazz Real Book

The Jazz Real Book

Author: Jay Sweet

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In this podcast, Jazz History professor, biographer, musician, and popular podcaster Jay Sweet will help guide you through the tunes included in the Jazz Real Book. For decades, this book (often called "The Jazz Bible") has been a resource for jazz musicians looking to learn jazz standards and repertoire. This podcast will discuss essential recordings and details associated with the songs in the Jazz Real Book, the musicians who created the material, and the recordings that inspire jazz musicians and fans worldwide.
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53-“Can’t Help Lovin’ Dat Man” and Teddy Wilson  Standards Rating 7 Difficulty Rating 6  Teddy Wilson (1912–1986) was a groundbreaking jazz pianist who was celebrated for his elegant swing-era style and role in racial integration in jazz. Born in Texas and classically trained in Alabama, Wilson worked with Louis Armstrong and Benny Carter before joining Benny Goodman in 1935. As part of Goodman’s racially integrated ensemble, alongside drummer Gene Krupa and later Lionel Hampton, Wilson helped redefine jazz, highlighted by the historic 1938 Carnegie Hall concert. As a bandleader, he recorded prolifically with iconic vocalists like Billie Holiday and Ella Fitzgerald, offering nuanced accompaniment that enhanced their performances without overpowering them. "Can’t Help Lovin’ Dat Man," a classic ballad from Show Boat (1927), blends themes of enduring love with bluesy melodies and a 32-bar AABA form. Kern’s use of diminished seventh chords and harmonic shifts to Ab major and F minor enriches its emotional depth, making it a timeless standard in jazz and musical theater. Wilson’s 1937 recording of Jerome Kern’s "Can’t Help Lovin’ Dat Man," featuring Billie Holiday, exemplifies his sophisticated piano artistry. Holiday’s emotive delivery is supported by an all-star ensemble, including Buck Clayton (trumpet) and Vido Musso (tenor sax). Wilson’s light touch and harmonic depth create a rich interplay, shining in his accompaniment and solo passages. Billie Holiday Version  Oscar Peterson Version  Spotify Playlist
Donald Vega Interview

Donald Vega Interview

2024-12-2046:39

Donald Vega, a celebrated jazz pianist and composer from Nicaragua, continues to captivate audiences with his musical brilliance. His latest album, As I Travel, has garnered a Grammy nomination for Best Latin Jazz Album, showcasing his original compositions. Vega’s meticulous approach shines through, blending intricate grooves with masterful arrangements that offer structure and creative freedom to his ensemble, featuring John Patitucci, Lewis Nash, and Luisito Quintero.  In addition, Vega recently released All Is Merry and Bright, a festive Christmas album recorded with Clovis Nicolas and Pete Van Nostrand. This project, born from spontaneity and inspired by jazz greats, highlights Vega’s ability to reimagine timeless classics with fresh, vibrant interpretations.
52-“Call Me Irresponsible” and Bobby Darin  Standards Rating 7 Difficulty Rating 6  Bobby Darin’s rendition of "Call Me Irresponsible" exemplifies his ability to blend charm and sophistication with a vocal style that transitions seamlessly between crooning and swing. Written by Jimmy Van Heusen with lyrics by Sammy Cahn, the song earned an Academy Award in 1964 for Papa’s Delicate Condition. Darin’s 1964 recording, arranged by Richard Wess, highlights his versatility as an interpreter of the Great American Songbook. Backed by a lush swing ensemble, Darin’s phrasing captures the song’s self-deprecating yet endearing tone, conveying vulnerability while maintaining romantic confidence. Darin’s interpretation adds dynamic shifts that build intensity before resolving into a subdued conclusion, showcasing his ability to bring nuance to a standard. “Call Me Irresponsible” solidified its place in the jazz and pop repertoire with iconic recordings by artists like Frank Sinatra and Jack Jones. However, Darin’s version stands out for its technical precision and emotive delivery balance, underscoring his lasting legacy in American music. Bobby Darin Version  Frank Sinatra Version Spotify Playlist 
51-“Call Me” and Nancy Wilson  Nancy Wilson (1937–2018) was an acclaimed American jazz and pop singer known for her smooth voice, exceptional phrasing, and ability to blend genres. Born in Ohio, she began her career early, hosting a TV show at 15. Her breakthrough came in 1959 when she signed with Capitol Records, leading to her debut album, Like in Love. Her collaboration with Cannonball Adderley on their 1961 album solidified her as a premier jazz vocalist. Wilson's biggest hit, “(You Don’t Know) How Glad I Am,” earned a Grammy in 1965, exemplifying her ability to merge jazz, soul, and pop. Over her career, she released over 70 albums and won three Grammys, among other honors.  Wilson recorded “Call Me” for her 1966 album A Touch of Today. The jazz standard, written by Tony Hatch, gained fame from Chris Montez’s bossa nova-inspired 1966 hit. Wilson’s rendition is vibrant and funk-inflected, showcasing her precise delivery, though the arrangement leans toward overproduction. In contrast, Brazilian pianist Eliane Elias’s version on Dreamer (2004) embraces a slower Latin jazz style with lush instrumentation, highlighting its melodic elegance. Through its adaptability, “Call Me” remains a favorite among jazz and pop audiences, illustrating Wilson's skill in reinterpreting standards. Spotify Playlist  Nancy Wilson Version  Elaine Elias 
Ep 50- “C'est Si Bon” and Eartha Kitt  Eartha Kitt's recording of C'est Si Bon in 1953 is one of her most iconic performances, showcasing her sultry voice and unique style. The French song, composed by Henri Betti with lyrics by André Hornez, became a global hit after its release. Kitt’s version, with Henri René's sophisticated arrangements, added a distinctive charm. Kitt, a multi-talented singer, actress, and activist, was known for her sensual stage presence and versatile musical talent. Born in 1927, she rose to fame in the 1950s, particularly in Paris, and became renowned for hits like Santa Baby and her role as Catwoman in the Batman TV series. Kitt’s activism, especially her bold stance on the Vietnam War, made her a fearless public figure. Her C'est Si Bon remains a classic example of her ability to blend jazz, cabaret, and pop, cementing her legacy in both music and culture. ⁠Eartha Kitt ⁠ ⁠Louis Armstrong ⁠ ⁠Spotify Playlist ⁠
49-Freddie Hubbard "Byrdlike" (Birdlike) Standards Rating 4 Difficulty Rating 8 Freddie Hubbard’s “Birdlike,” from his 1962 album Ready for Freddie, is a fiery bebop composition that pays tribute to Charlie Parker. The track opens with an angular, II-V-driven intro leading into a creatively harmonized 12-bar blues form. Hubbard’s solo is a masterclass in bebop improvisation, showcasing his technical brilliance, innovative phrasing, and signature tone. Known for blending complexity with lyricism, Hubbard balances rapid-fire runs with moments of space, creating a compelling narrative in his improvisation. His remarkable control over dynamics and articulation further underscores his status as one of jazz’s finest trumpeters. This composition highlights Hubbard’s virtuosity and cements his legacy as a trailblazer who helped define the hard bop era.  Spotify Playlist  Freddie Hubbard -YouTube  George Cables YouTube
48- "Butterfly" and Herbie Hancock Standards Rating 5, Difficulty Rating 5  Herbie Hancock, a legendary jazz pianist and composer, is known for his groundbreaking contributions across jazz, funk, and electronic music. After early classical training and jazz studies, he rose to prominence with Miles Davis' Second Great Quintet and as a solo artist on albums like Maiden Voyage and Empyrean Isles. In the 1970s, Hancock embraced funk and electronic music, forming The Headhunters and releasing the influential Head Hunters album. His pioneering use of synthesizers and electronic elements continued into the 1980s with hits like "Rockit." “Butterfly,” from Hancock's 1974 album Thrust, is a slow, groove-based exploration featuring Bennie Maupin on reeds. The track’s spacious melody and rich harmonic shifts create a unique texture, focusing on rhythm and tonal experimentation rather than traditional structure. Butterfly exemplifies Hancock’s ability to blend jazz with funk, creating a deeply immersive, experimental sound that remains influential in modern music. Spotify Playlist https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5bla6DuepTMq3kdzUlXTy7?si=Isyr7K84SmeWs-675afJeg Herbie Hancock https://youtu.be/knbmKDUYDXc?si=uxCc7eOXezT18Qex Robert Glasper https://youtu.be/PIDOeJa2nYY?si=xmTYm7lFvJU9VLYx
Naomi Moon Siegel               Naomi Moon Siegel is an award-winning trombonist, improviser, composer, and educator committed to creating a positive, transformative music culture beyond conventional genre norms. Her original musical vocabulary draws on the richness of various global musical traditions. Siegel explores the trombone as a vehicle for sonic expression colored by breath, spit, and physicality. A longtime collaborator with Wayne Horvitz, Siegel has performed with such luminaries as Jessica Lurie, Matthew Golombisky, Carmen Staaf, March Fourth Marching Band, Allison Miller, Julian Priester, The California Honeydrops, Martha Scanlan, Stuart Dempster, Skerik, and Thione Diop. With saxophonist Kate Olson, Siegel formed the folk punk jazz duo Syrinx Effect, which has released four albums and performed around the United States. Siegel is a recipient of Chamber Music America’s Performance Plus Grant, Jazz Journalists Association’s Jazz Hero Award, Montana Art Council’s Artist Innovation Award, and Earshot Jazz’s Golden Ear Award for Emerging Artist of the Year. . Siegel is an adjunct professor of trombone at the University of Montana and a dedicated music educator. Siegel is also a staunch advocate for intersectional gender justice in jazz and music settings, leading workshops to build awareness and work towards positive systemic shifts in our music culture.
Warren Wolf Interview

Warren Wolf Interview

2024-11-1241:44

Warren Wolf’s History of the Vibraphone pays tribute to 11 legendary vibe players, including Lionel Hampton, Gary Burton, and Dave Samuels, presenting a deep dive into the vibraphone’s jazz legacy. Starting in classical music under his vibraphonist father’s guidance, Wolf trained on vibraphone, marimba, xylophone, drums, and piano from a young age in Baltimore. Influenced by his dad’s extensive jazz record collection and the local organ trio jazz scene, he eventually studied under Dave Samuels at Berklee, where he later taught. Wolf’s rich blend of early classical rigor and exposure to jazz and R&B shaped his style, which now spans swing to fusion.  In History of the Vibraphone, Wolf performs each track as an homage to original artists, joined by saxophonist Tim Green, pianist Alex Brown, bassist Vicente Archer, and drummer Carroll “CV” Dashiell III. Standout selections like Gary Burton's “Captain Señor Mouse” and Samuels’s “Spring High” reflect Wolf’s influences and his mission to celebrate lesser-known vibes players. Currently a professor at Peabody Conservatory, Wolf remains dedicated to jazz education. Baltimore’s thriving scene is central to his work, with venues like Keystone Korner and An Die Musik hosting vibrant jam sessions. Wolf's upcoming tour hints at a possible sequel to this record, potentially honoring Red Norvo, Tito Puente, and Mike Mainieri. https://njjs.org/ https://www.warrenwolf.com/ History of the Vibraphone https://open.spotify.com/album/0raNJZzMHYyOr9R398NJ3E?si=CkIRJL2-Rm2iFwruCESL-Q
46 -“But Beautiful” and Stan Getz Standards Rating 7 -Difficulty Rating 6 “But Beautiful,” composed by Jimmy Van Heusen with lyrics by Johnny Burke in 1947, is a classic ballad celebrated for its lyrical melody and complex harmonic progressions. The song’s 32-bar form in G major features rich ii-V movements and subtle key shifts that add a sense of harmonic intrigue. Notable recordings include renditions by Billie Holiday and Frank Sinatra, each capturing the song's emotional essence. Stan Getz, renowned for his warm, lyrical tenor saxophone tone, recorded a memorable version of “But Beautiful” with pianist Bill Evans in 1964. This recording, released in 1973, also features Ron Carter on bass and Elvin Jones on drums. Evans introduces the melody delicately, creating a serene atmosphere. Getz’s entrance is marked by his signature smooth sound, bringing emotional depth to the piece. His expressive solos, complemented by Evans’s harmonic sensitivity, beautifully balance grace and complexity, exemplifying Getz’s lasting impact on jazz. Spotify Playlist https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5bla6DuepTMq3kdzUlXTy7?si=KM1g5VEfSxmpKuplKnHDhg Stan Getz and Bill Evans https://youtu.be/fl6aEZ47AVs?si=ObyZdd5DEHyv-BXT Billie Holliday  https://youtu.be/ihBfxVcVEPY?si=_Uc9o0aL48owSEUH
45-“Broadway” and Oscar Peterson  Standards Rating 6 Difficulty Rating 4 Oscar Peterson, a virtuoso jazz pianist from Montreal, was known for his swift, intricate runs and rhythmic precision, drawing influence from Art Tatum and Nat King Cole. His style and mastery shone especially in trio settings, often alongside bassist Ray Brown and guitarist Herb Ellis. Peterson's collaborations with Norman Granz in the 1950s, particularly in the Jazz at the Philharmonic series, solidified his international reputation. Peterson’s discography highlights his 1955 recording of the jazz standard “Broadway” on Oscar Peterson Plays Count Basie. Backed by Brown, Ellis, and drummer Buddy Rich, Peterson opens with a steady, Basie-inspired groove. The track’s 32-bar AABA form and Tin Pan Alley-inspired chord progressions create ample room for improvisation. Ellis’s solo adds a bluesy swing, while Peterson's solo is lively but restrained, perfectly capturing the energy and elegance that marked his approach to jazz. Oscar Peterson https://youtu.be/Ho1FZjum-Uw?si=opB53N5FlchGUFOl Ella Fitzgerald https://youtu.be/aIB7Ozx45r0?si=s4KCFeqZYZGwjVVs Jazz Real Book Playlist https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5bla6DuepTMq3kdzUlXTy7?si=VW3-VdNzTd-dS7h_mvJFxw
45-“Broad Way Blues” and Ornette Coleman  Standards Rating 5 Difficulty Rating 6  Ornette Coleman was a pioneering jazz figure known for breaking traditional boundaries with his radical approach to improvisation and composition. His 1959 album The Shape of Jazz to Come introduced free jazz, where he abandoned chord changes and rigid structures, allowing musicians more freedom. His work at New York's Five Spot Café with a groundbreaking quartet helped establish his status as a revolutionary in modern jazz. Coleman's 1961 album Free Jazz: A Collective Improvisation further pushed these boundaries with group improvisation, sparking praise and controversy. One of his notable compositions, "Broadway Blues," features bluesy elements mixed with free improvisation. His 1968 album New York Is Now! blended avant-garde and post-bop, showing his continued evolution. Guitarist Pat Metheny later interpreted Coleman’s "Broadway Blues," reflecting Coleman's profound influence on later jazz artists, particularly through their 1985 collaboration Song X, which merged their experimental styles. Ornette Coleman https://youtu.be/ue0XTgUx24o?si=v9ny2p9IU_UcE-1M Pat Metheny https://youtu.be/eciUMTPmzm0?si=3JKlbTJfrtBqkvle Spotify Playlist https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5bla6DuepTMq3kdzUlXTy7?si=kjHm7muGQB6O2jIs5623hw
44- Bright Size Life and Jaco Pastorius  Standards Rating 6 Difficulty Rating 7  In this episode, we look at “Bright Size Life,” the standout title track from Pat Metheny’s 1976 debut album of the same name, and the life and career of Jaco Pastorius, the man who redefined electric bass playing in jazz.  The track is a masterful blend of jazz, folk, and rock, featuring Metheny’s signature open chord voicings and a flowing, lyrical melody. But what truly sets it apart is the incredible bass work by Jaco Pastorius. His fretless bass gives the track a unique, almost singing tone, and his use of harmonics and fluid phrasing brings a new dimension to the music. Jaco’s bass line isn’t just a support; it’s a melodic force of its own, weaving in and out of Metheny’s guitar with rhythmic precision and harmonic creativity. This interplay between guitar and bass, supported by Bob Moses’ subtle drumming, creates an expansive atmosphere that defines the track. Bright Size Life showcases Metheny’s compositional genius and Jaco’s ability to push the boundaries of what a bass can do, making it a landmark in jazz fusion.  Pat Metheny (studio recording) - https://youtu.be/0Ozv_S1fuis?si=B11U_5V55NrunhlK Pat Metheny (live) https://youtu.be/TAAilVUqwSw?si=QQz32RKMqH69Pn0d Spotify Playlist https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5bla6DuepTMq3kdzUlXTy7?si=jl6quMa3S16tJp3VtNAnSw
Charlie Burnham Interview Charlie Burnham is an accomplished American violinist, singer, and composer celebrated for his imaginative and eclectic style. Burnham traverses multiple genres, including bluegrass, folk, free jazz, blues, classical, and chamber jazz. His innovative use of the wah-wah pedal on the violin adds a distinctive flair to his performances. Burnham first gained prominence through his contributions to James "Blood" Ulmer's Odyssey album, highlighting his versatility and skill. The ensemble from that project later formed Odyssey the Band. Throughout his career, Burnham has been a pivotal member of several notable groups and artists, like Living Colour, Cassandra Wilson,  String Trio of New York, 52nd Street Blues Project, Hidden City, We Free Strings, the Improvising Chamber Ensemble, and the Kropotkins. He has also recently recorded new music with Eureka Shoes, showcasing his continual evolution as a musician. Beginning as an informal gathering of friends and now blossoming into a fully-fledged collaborative band, Eureka Shoes’ Beautalina (Adhyâropa ÂR00079) soars aloft on gorgeous 3-part harmonies, delicate acoustic textures, and world-class songcraft. Eureka Shoes features award-winning songwriter Jean Rohe, acoustic music stalwart Skye Soto Steele, and omni-genre multi-instrumentalist Charlie Burnham. Rounded out here by the virtuosic bass of Rashaan Carter, Beautalina is an enduring testament to the power of music to unite, communicate, and elevate. Eureka Shoes Beautalina https://open.spotify.com/album/1bH16X7J5KU6YNJgDbEVL2?si=t0YsU9C7RVehdGdwc6hpdg
43-Boplicity, Gil Evans and The Birth of The Cool  Standards Rating 6, Difficulty Rating 7  "Boplicity," from Birth of the Cool (1957), marks a key moment in jazz history; composed by Miles Davis under the pseudonym Cleo Henry and Gil Evans, Originally recorded in 1949, the track exemplifies the shift from bebop's fast-paced intensity to cool jazz's more relaxed, refined sound. Featuring a unique nine-piece ensemble, including trumpet, trombone, French horn, tuba, and saxophones, the arrangement showcases Evans' mastery of orchestration. The interplay between Davis' subtle trumpet lines and the intricate harmonies of the horns highlights the genre's focus on texture, space, and lyrical phrasing. "Boplicity" is a standout, blending bebop's phrasing with cool jazz's sophistication, offering a serene yet intricate musical experience that helped define the cool jazz movement. Playlist https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5bla6DuepTMq3kdzUlXTy7?si=PYjJbekGT1ujj-X1e6ZsaQ Miles Davis Nonet https://youtu.be/HLzqjmoZZAc?si=T68XnMIQ0mmS5K_hRonnie Cuber https://open.spotify.com/track/4E5fdTSJd28iSg6L9uNnn6?si=57231715f1814e0f
Kurt Rosenwinkel, a Philadelphia-born jazz guitarist, is renowned for blending genres and using guitar effects innovatively in jazz. His latest release, The Next Step Band (Live at Smalls, 1996), revisits the music from his acclaimed 2001 album The Next Step and features longtime collaborators Mark Turner, Ben Street, and Jeff Ballard. In addition to his album, Rosenwinkel has published Kurt Rosenwinkel’s Ultimate Book of Compositions, which includes scores, tabs, and commentary on his extensive work. He founded his label, Heartcore, in 2016 to release Caipi and take control of his career, likening the label's creation to playing a "record company" video game. His current projects include arranging for the Jazz at Lincoln Center Big Band, collaborating with Wynton Marsalis, and recording a Brahms interpretation following the success of The Chopin Project.
42- “Body and Soul” and Coleman Hawkins  Standards Rating 8- Difficulty Rating 7  Coleman "Hawk" Hawkins was a pioneering jazz tenor saxophonist who transformed the instrument into a key vehicle for jazz improvisation. Born in Missouri in 1904, Hawkins began playing saxophone in his teens and joined Mamie Smith's Jazz Hounds in 1921. His breakthrough came in 1924 when he joined Fletcher Henderson's Orchestra, where his improvisational style evolved, influenced by Louis Armstrong. Hawkins's technical mastery, harmonic innovations, and rich tone were noted. One of his most iconic recordings is his 1939 interpretation of "Body and Soul," where Hawkins showcased his ability to navigate complex harmonic structures with inventive phrasing, including sixteenth-note runs, rhythmic motifs, and arpeggiated figures. His approach to the song’s challenging chord changes set the standard for future bebop improvisation. The performance highlights his blend of vertical and linear improvisation, often moving far from the original melody and incorporating sophisticated rhythmic techniques. Hawkins spent much of his later career dividing his time between Europe and the U.S., collaborating with younger musicians like Thelonious Monk and Miles Davis and contributing to the bebop movement. His legacy as the first great tenor saxophonist in jazz endures, especially through landmark recordings like "Body and Soul." Coleman Hawkins: https://youtu.be/zUFg6HvljDE?si=ML1j-MVSXVyR1yIt Billie Holiday https://youtu.be/AXnQeb0rgpU?si=7C0ZX1Hbh0ZPWc5V Curated Spotify Playlist https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5bla6DuepTMq3kdzUlXTy7?si=6AKq37uOQ3qR0wBhyLSLQA
Brian Bromberg Interview

Brian Bromberg Interview

2024-10-0101:41:58

Brian Bromberg, a virtuoso bassist, honors the legacy of Scott LaFaro with his latest album, LaFaro, and a series of live performances. LaFaro, who tragically died at 25, was a groundbreaking bassist with the Bill Evans Trio, inspiring Bromberg's tribute. Initially reluctant to take on the project due to the pressures of honoring a jazz legend, Bromberg eventually embraced it after realizing LaFaro's profound influence on his playing. Bromberg also shares personal connections to jazz greats like Stan Getz, with whom he played, and Bill Evans, a missed opportunity from his youth. His career spans collaborations with top artists and an eclectic solo catalog ranging from traditional jazz to contemporary styles. Known for his versatility on upright and electric bass, Bromberg defies genre boundaries, seeking to deliver heartfelt, high-quality musicianship in every project. His performances and music continue to celebrate innovation and jazz's rich history. https://njjs.org/magazine/
41- "Bluesette" -Toots Thielemans  Standards Rating of 8-  Difficulty Rating  7   "Bluesette," composed by Toots Thielemans in 1964, is a celebrated jazz standard recognized for its memorable melody and intricate harmonic structure. This 24-bar jazz waltz features wide intervallic leaps and recurring rhythmic motifs, creating a captivating listening experience. Thielemans, a renowned Belgian harmonica player and guitarist showcased his unique talent by whistling and playing guitar in unison, particularly in his album The Whistler and His Guitar. His collaborations with jazz legends and contributions to popular music, including soundtracks and sessions with artists like Paul Simon and Ella Fitzgerald, solidified his legacy. Sarah Vaughan’s interpretation, produced by Quincy Jones, adds a soulful vocal dimension, further enriching this timeless classic. Toots Thielemans -https://youtu.be/Oi4G6UmYK9U?si=VcrHN8f5FzC2ttIA Sarah Vaughan https://youtu.be/0cUoDcjovHA?si=1dh_QFZrj8vWMDGw Curated Playlist https://open.spotify.com/show/0nS4HH56YVpefoQiaESjqQ?si=6d2a840dc20841de
40- “Blues for Alice” and Red Rodney  Standards Rating 7 Difficulty Rating 6 Charlie Parker's "Blues for Alice" is a landmark bebop composition that reimagines the 12-bar blues with angular melodies and intricate syncopation. Parker introduces harmonic complexity by incorporating II-V progressions and other substitutions, creating a sophisticated yet grounded piece. Trumpeter Red Rodney, often underappreciated, made his mark on Parker’s original 1951 recording, solidifying his place in bebop history. Despite battling addiction, which disrupted his career, Rodney displayed remarkable skill and adaptability, returning to the jazz scene in his later years. His later performances of "Blues for Alice" and other standards reflected his enduring mastery of the bebop style.  Curated Spotify Playlisthttps://open.spotify.com/playlist/5bla6DuepTMq3kdzUlXTy7?si=2jjeQR9SSP6HMcUeaoba5w Charlie Parker https://youtu.be/G7USMqAH8qk?si=0KdAcMrBRAfpsmop Red Rodney https://youtu.be/fxj_CunPkww?si=_mdJwJfXY50MxU34
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