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As an alternative for those who would rather listen ad-free, sign up for a premium subscription to receive the following: *All JBP Podcast episodes ad-free *Monthly Ask-Me-Anything episodes (and the ability to ask questions) *Presale access to events *Premium, detailed show notes for future episodes Sign up here: This episode was recorded on March 12, 2021. In this episode, Mikhaila, Jordan, and Tammy Peterson cover the Understand Myself Couples Report—a feature in the Understand Myself Personality Report, which you receive after both members of a compete the process. The idea behind it, as the name suggests, is to help you better understand your own and other people's personalities. After going over Jordan and Tammy’s report, we dive into the different personality types, the benefits of the report, negotiating with your partner, disciplining children, and much more. Go to to access the Understand Myself assessment. If you enjoyed this conversation, be sure to subscribe! _______________ Chapters (Approximate Timestamps) _______________ [00:00] The Understand Myself Couples Report [01:17] Agreeableness [07:54] Motivations in a Relationship [09:56] The Understand Myself Test [11:13] Compassion [12:16] Negotiation [12:18] Conflict Avoidance [15:54] Reluctant Agreement [19:07] Stupidity [20:35] Politeness [23:18] How to Bark [23:38] Extraversion [23:58] Enthusiasm [27:42] Assertiveness [30:54] Conscientiousness [31:50] Industriousness [34:14] Orderliness [36:36] Jordan's Reader's Digest Joke [37:05] Enthusiasm [37:44] From Virtue to Pathology [38:52] Extroverted vs. Introverted Partners [42:20] Neuroticism [45:57] Oxytocin, Vasopressin, & Bonding [50:24] Openness to Experience [51:21] Intellect [53:19] Openness [58:00] Disruption & Meds [01:00:35] Behind the Self Authoring and Personality Tests [01:02:14] Personality Tests for Children [01:04:07] Julian’s Tippy Cup Story [01:12:15] Disciplining Children Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
As an alternative for those who would rather listen ad-free, sign up for a premium subscription to receive the following: *All JBP Podcast episodes ad-free *Monthly Ask-Me-Anything episodes (and the ability to ask questions) *Presale access to events *Premium, detailed show notes for future episodes Sign up here: This episode was recorded on Saturday, March 27, 2021. In this exclusive interview, Rav Arora and Dr. Peterson discuss problems with ideology, atheism, the church, systemic racism, victimhood, the death of religion, psychedelics, meaning, religious practice, and personal responsibility. Rav is an independent journalist based in Vancouver. He writes on a wide range of topics including violent crime, MDMA therapy, identity politics, and vaccine mandates. Subscribe to his Substack newsletter: Follow Rav on Twitter: Rav's essay on his transformative MDMA experience: ______________ Chapters ______________ [00:00] Intro [02:00] Rav's Foreword [05:45] Religious vs. Political Ideology [07:42] Crippled Religions [09:40] Political vs. Religious Beliefs [11:10] Ideology & Thinking [11:47] How Ideology Blinds Us [15:38] Externalizing Problems [16:41] Other Faces of Evil [21:44] Perils of Ideology [21:59] Ignorance [22:52] Systemic Racism [25:39] White Supremacy, Symbolism & the Patriarchy [36:37] Microaggressive Hard Work [38:22] Immigration & Culture [40:44] Individual Responsibility [41:21] Our Worst Crimes [41:47] Income Inequality [46:09] Young People & Values [51:58] Meaning Without Religion [56:43] The Immortality Key [58:32] Death of Modern Religion [01:08:05] The Church & Self-discipline [01:08:35] Life Decisions [01:09:52] Religious practice [01:16:16] The Biblical Lectures [01:17:46] Spiritual Structure [01:18:50] Psychedelics & Mindfulness [01:21:11] The Problem with Atheism [01:24:30] Undermining Human Progress [01:25:57] Meditation, Attention, & Thinking [01:28:36] Music [01:30:26] Victimhood [01:37:29] Taking a Joke [01:43:23] Playing Both Sides [01:42:09] Victimhood [01:48:35] Privilege [01:58:58] Gratitude Despite Suffering [02:09:11] Responding to Criticism [02:19:23] Jordan's Influence #Ideology #Meaning #Psychedelics #Victimhood #SystemicRacism Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
S4 E81: Questioning Sam Harris

S4 E81: Questioning Sam Harris


As an alternative for those who would rather listen ad-free, sign up for a premium subscription to receive the following: *All JBP Podcast episodes ad-free *Monthly Ask-Me-Anything episodes (and the ability to ask questions) *Presale access to events *Premium, detailed show notes for future episodes Sign up here: This episode was recorded on November 25, 2021. Sam Harris is a neuroscientist, philosopher, New York Times best-selling author, host of the Making Sense podcast, and creator of the "Waking up" app. Dr. Harris and I discuss the is/ought problem, dreams, attention, evidence, consciousness, logic, psychedelics, religion, Waking Up, and much more. Meditate with the Waking Up app: Listen to the Making Sense podcast: Sam’s website: _____________ Timestamps _____________ [00:00] Intro [02:48] Background [06:04] The debates [12:25] Waking Up  [16:18] The is/ought problem (1) [23:42] (Breaking out of) everyday patterns [24:22] Experience & Expectations [32:26] Evidence & Logic [33:10] The is/ought problem (2) [34:56] The Ecological Approach to Visual Perception [40:52] Attention [42:38] Carl Rogers [49:21] (Dis)satisfaction [51:01] Discomfort [51:17] Entering meditative states [54:06] Being like a mirror [55:58] Thoughts & The Self [56:56] Suffering [01:01:03] Dreaming [01:09:15] The Self & Psychedelics [01:14:29] Prayer [01:18:24] Organized religion [01:25:33] The postmodern predicament [01:41:54] Sacred texts #Philosophy #Ethics #Meditation #Mindfulness #SamHarris  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
As an alternative for those who would rather listen ad-free, sign up for a premium subscription to receive the following: All JBP Podcast episodes ad-free Monthly Ask-Me-Anything episodes (and the ability to ask questions) Presale access to events Premium show notes for future episodes Sign up here: This episode was recorded on November 10th, 2021. Charles Joseph is a Kwakwaka’wakw artist known for his masks, totem poles, and canoes. His work can be found in homes and businesses worldwide, including mine. His “Residential School Totem” stands before the Montreal Museum of Fine Arts for “all Canadians, not just residential school survivors.” It represents Charles’ “reconciliation” and his “story is on the pole.” Charles’ carving homepage Facebook page _______________ Approximate Timestamps _______________ [00:00] Intro [02:21] Charles’ background [03:36] Backstory: Jordan’s first non-native friend [09:59] Tough times at residential school; finding enough to eat [12:35] Being locked in as punishment [14:14] Isolation and treatment by so-called Christians; rejecting religion [16:35] Unmarked graves at Canadian residential schools [19:29] Jordan asks what could motivate such cruelty towards innocent children [22:08] Leaving & coming of age  [22:19] Blaming the world [30:08] Charles describes more of what happened to him at residential school [34:24] Looking in the mirror [36:11] His grandparents’ influence  [41:26] Creative process & dreams  [47:08] The spiritual effect of art & culture [48:03] Carving as a personal church [49:38] History and cultural significance of specific elements in Charles’ art [54:36] The 55-foot totem pole sculpture [01:04:07] Seeking out the meaningful and positive [01:09:07] The Residential School Totem at the Montreal Museum of Fine Arts [01:11:11] Reconciliation [01:17:26] Accused of racism and welcomed into a new family in 24 hours [01:20:15] Wrapping up #ResidentialSchool #Art #Native #Carving #Canada // SUPPORT THIS CHANNEL // Newsletter: Donations: // COURSES // Discovering Personality: Self Authoring Suite: Understand Myself (personality test): // BOOKS // Beyond Order: 12 More Rules for Life: 12 Rules for Life: An Antidote to Chaos: Maps of Meaning: The Architecture of Belief: // LINKS // Website: Events: Blog: Podcast: // SOCIAL // Twitter: Instagram: Facebook: // SPONSORS // For Advertising Inquiries, visit Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
As an alternative for those who would rather listen ad-free, sign up for a premium subscription to receive the following: *All JBP Podcast episodes ad-free *Monthly Ask-Me-Anything episodes (and the ability to ask questions) *Presale access to events *Premium, detailed show notes for future episodes Sign up here: Why so many are hesitant to get the COVID vaccines, and what we can do about it. Needle Points,’ Tablet’s exploration into the sources and nature of vaccine hesitancy, is presented in four parts. To download a free, printer-friendly version of the complete article, click here - Get started with a 10% discount at when using promo code "jbp10." If it's not for you, there's a one-year money-back guarantee Join a totally new way of paying for healthcare at and use promo code “JBP. Customize your perfect sofa and get 20% off all orders when visiting Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
To support this action As an alternative for those who would rather listen ad-free, sign up for a premium subscription to receive the following: *All JBP Podcast episodes ad-free *Monthly Ask-Me-Anything episodes (and the ability to ask questions) *Presale access to events *Premium, detailed show notes for future episodes Sign up here: We posted this discussion start to finish in uncut form to maintain full and complete transparency, given its import. It was recorded on January 25th, 2022 and released the next day. Link to the Justice Centre for Constitutional Freedoms press release: Information on how to support the JCCF in this matter: Brian Peckford and I discussed his reentry to the political arena after denouncing the Canadian Government for infringements on the Canadian Charter of Rights--a document he played a key role in drafting. In this intense conversation, Peckford outlines a combined plan of action against the Canadian Government over their COVID-19 response and ongoing use of power. Starting his career as an educator, the Honorable Brian Peckford then served as the premier of Newfoundland and Labrador for nearly a decade. He is also an author, former minister, and notable member of the PC Party. More from the Honorable Brian Peckford: Blog: Book: This episode was sponsored by: -ReliefBand. Go to and use code “JBP” for 20% off + free shipping! -Zocdoc. Go to or download the app and find a top-rated doctor today. _____________ Timestamps: _____________ [00:00] Political context for the interview [07:32] Jordan introduces his esteemed guest the Honorable Brian Peckford, former prime minister of Newfoundland and Labrador [10:47] Peterson and Peckford’s discussions over the last week [13:07] Rights infringed by Government despite Charter of Rights [18:10] Four tests before revoking Canadian rights [20:39] Appropriate use of emergency measures [22:21] Why YouTube and not (more traditional) media outlets? Following the money [25:23] Peckford's assertive denouncement; establishing precedents [30:20] Can Canadian courts be relied upon for fair and impartial hearings? [33:49] Canadian mobility rights [36:14] Subversion of the parliamentary process during the pandemic [43:05] Changes in transmission/vaccination rates & societal effects after 1st lockdown [44:25] Accountability & Government inertia in the face of faulty measures [51:23] Ramifications of a federal win [54:40] The second (competing) Charter of Rights [01:01:09] Jordans' summary of the accusations up to this point. Degradation of civic involvement. Why civic education matters. [01:09:02] Recap [01:11:16] Peckford’s appeal to Canadian citizens For Advertising Inquiries, visit Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
As an alternative for those who would rather listen ad-free, sign up for a premium subscription to receive the following: *All JBP Podcast episodes ad-free *Monthly Ask-Me-Anything episodes (and the ability to ask questions) *Presale access to events *Premium, detailed show notes for future episodes Sign up here: This episode was recorded on September 15th, 2021. Chloé Valdary and I discuss The Theory of Enchantment, her personal brand of compassionate anti-racism. Chloé has been featured in Psychology Today and the NY Times. Her work with Theory of Enchantment attempts to bring compassion to diversity training and fight bigotry with love. We covered a range of topics surrounding her practice, structural racism in the US, the civil rights movement, the best way to criticize one another, the power of Truth, white fragility, and what one could expect from her (rather unique) diversity seminars. Find more from Chloé @cvaldary & check out her program at -- Get started with a 10% discount at when using promo code "jbp10." If it's not for you, there's a one-year money-back guarantee. _______________ Timestamps _______________ [00:00] Intro [00:30] Chloé’s background [01:52] Why did Chloé want to talk? [02:53] Reading Dr. Peterson’s Maps of Meaning in a lockdown [03:38] What is the goal or focus behind Valdary's work? [04:05] “Supremacist thinking occurs when a human being experiences... some type of deep insecurity within themselves" - Chloé Valdary [05:08] Jordan’s list of questions through Chloé's looking glass [05:49] Sources of racism [12:36] “There are problems money doesn't solve. It would be lovely if [that] produced full security in every aspect, but it doesn't" - Jordan Peterson [12:57] Working with corporations on DEIS [16:55] Debating the validity of lived experience [17:11] “Are you an unquestionable authority on the nature of your lived experience? The answer is yes and no" - JP [21:23] “[Race] certainly isn’t the best way to conceptualize diversity” - JP [23:46] Examining the pathos behind two great leaders in the civil rights movement: Dr. Martin Luther King & Malcolm X [27:34] Chloé’s experience as a teacher [33:06] Learning to appreciate complexity in both the individual and the diverse [36:17] “Raising everyone’s material standards… is ultimately insufficient" - JP [36:34] Seeing people as political abstractions [38:14] Alienation, diversity training, and rural America [44:28] “There are arbitrary pre-conditions to our existence that we didn't choose to deal with" - JP [48:25] How to uplift (never destructive) criticism [51:07] Variance in coping mechanisms [54:44] Everyone is starving for (words of) encouragement [57:07] Rooting everything in love and compassion. Where do those guidelines come from? [01:03:45] Wonder Woman, Power, & Truth [01:04:52] The human capacity to destroy the planet [01:09:29] I'm convinced that there is nothing more powerful than truth in the word." - JP [01:17:31] “Part of the problem in the West is this false understanding of meaning as derived from propositions when it is, in fact, participatory ways of knowing that give rise to propositions in the first place" - Chloé Valdary [01:18:48] The meaning of the word ‘enchantment’ [01:26:23] “The objective of ToE is to bring people back to this relational way of being and to be in balance with their own complexity" - Chloé Valdary [01:26:59] What Chloé does at a ToE seminar [01:32:16] “People have access to the truth… [regardless of] socioeconomic standing" - JP Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
As an alternative for those who would rather listen ad-free, sign up for a premium subscription to receive the following: • All JBP Podcast episodes are ad-free. • Monthly Ask Me Anything episodes (and the ability to ask questions). • Presale access to events. • Premium, detailed show notes for future episodes. Sign up here: -- We use stories to understand the world around us. It’s the reason that we appreciate a beautiful poem, why our breath is taken away during an epic movie, and get transported to another world while reading a great book.  Any great piece of music is a story, with the lyrics used, but also even the instrumental arrangements. It’s hard to argue that any of the great orchestral pieces from Beethoven or Bach don’t tell a complex story, even when no words are used. Stories, and Narrative in general, allow us to play games for fun, construct cooperative relationships in business and in life, and help us successfully navigate the most difficult parts of our lives.  From birth to death, every day of our lives is inundated by story. Part one of this compilation focuses on season 4 conversations between Jordan, Randall Wallace, Chloe Valdery (released soon) and Angus Fletcher. We hope you enjoy this narrative. -- This episode was brought to you by Skillshare. Explore your creativity at and get a one-month free trial. That’s one month free... only at This episode was sponsored by Audible. There's a 30-day trial for newcomers, or text "Peterson" to 500-500 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
As an alternative for those who would rather listen ad-free, sign up for a premium subscription to receive the following: • All JBP Podcast episodes are ad-free. • Monthly Ask Me Anything episodes (and the ability to ask questions). • Presale access to events. • Premium, detailed show notes for future episodes. Sign up here: This episode was recorded on October 11th, 2021. Dr. Arif Ahmed and Dr. James Orr come on to discuss what led to the University of Cambridge rescinding my invitation to speak there. We get into the difficulty of change in universities, anonymous reporting, the dangers of limiting free speech, microaggressions, the importance of humor, and more. Arif Ahmed MBE is a philosopher, lecturer at Cambridge, and author of “Saul Kripke”. His interests include decision theory and religion from an atheist and libertarian point of view. In the aftermath of the Cambridge incident, Dr. Ahmed remained a vocal advocate for political diversity.  Dr. James Orr is a university lecturer in philosophy of religion at Cambridge and author of “The Mind of God and the Works of Nature.” He is a regular contributor to The Times Literary Supplement and The Critic. Dr. Ahmed’s profile: “Saul Kripke”: Dr. Orr’s profile: “The Mind of God and Works of Nature”: _______________ Timestamps  _______________ [00:00] Intro  [01:13] The Cambridge repeal [09:41] A case for the repealers, their potential fears [10:19] Photos “don’t imply a position—that was one of the most outrageous things, ‘endorsement by association…’ As if standing next to someone implies [you’re in agreement]" - Dr. Ahmed [14:11] Changes in free speech policy  [19:54] Speaking Up: Consequences [25:28] The difficulty of change in university [27:36] “You become what you practice” - Jordan Peterson [27:45] “If you put off fights, they don't usually get better” - Jordan Peterson [35:53] Being Silent: Perils [36:04] “In general, with any coercive principle, think what might happen in the hands of someone wicked and tyrannical. That's how we should think about these things” - Dr. Ahmed [41:46] "The idea that you should remove everything that could threaten someone's identity and you should make that a university-wide policy is actually, exactly the opposite of what you should do, speaking clinically if you're trying to help people become more resilient" - Dr. Peterson [44:32] Microaggressions and the importance of humor [44:33] "There’s no such thing as a joke that isn't a microaggression. Jokes aren't funny unless they're microaggressions–especially witty ones" - Dr. Peterson [47:19] Anonymous voting & reporting [49:52] "Politics is downstream from culture [and, for better or worse,] culture is generated in universities" - Dr. Peterson [49:59] “What happens on campus doesn't stay on campus" - Dr. Orr [50:50] "The point about anonymous reporting is that... you can't come back to them to check their evidence. The person who has been accused can't face their accuser. There’s no possibility of due process” - Dr. Ahmed [54:51] Anonymous reports circumventing due process [57:55] Tyranny & Free Speech [59:17] Details about the vote; university bureaucracy [01:05:56] UK legislation post-Cambridge   [01:13:06] Anti-education & ideological purity tests at university [01:15:36] "I've heard students say ‘Well, I just write what the professor wants...’ It's like no – writing is thinking and if you don't think, that becomes part of you – those words become part of you [and] that's not bad education, it's anti-education" - Dr. Peterson Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
S4 E74: Talking with Russians

S4 E74: Talking with Russians


As an alternative for those who would rather listen ad-free, sign up for a premium subscription to receive the following: • All JBP Podcast episodes ad-free • Monthly Ask-Me-Anything • Presale access to events • Premium, detailed deep-dive show notes on future episodes. episodes (and the ability to ask questions) Sign up here: Mikhail Avdeev interviews Jordan Peterson in this episode. Jordan Peterson has as strong of an international following as ever with his lectures translated into fourteen languages. On his last speaking tour, he visited thirty plus number of countries speaking on the twelve rules and continues to foster relationships and connections with thinkers, speakers, and fans from around the globe. Shownotes: [00:00] Jordan Petersons is interviewed in this episode by Mikhail Avdeev, a member of his foreign translations team. The interview focuses on the impact of Petersons work beyond the western world on the international community as a whole. They begin the discussion by talking about the forming of the international translation teams. [02:00] The healing effect of Jordan's lectures on people's personal life. The outcry for new material from jordans catalog of books, lectures, and podcasts has been overwhelming.  [05:20] Peterson comments on another personal favorite author of his Mircea Eliade and his history of Religious Ideas. It’s an anthropological and sociological assessment of religion but it’s also deeply psychological. [06:40] How do Russian views respond to Jordan's affinity for Alexander Solzhenitsyn? Mikail details the feelings of the Russian people by their portrayal after the fall of communism. [10:00] How we deal with the guilt of the things our ancestors or society has done is a very difficult question because as humans we are very historical creatures. The best thing for us is to try to understand what happened and therefore try not to do it again in the future because all of us are living with this to some degree. [13:30] examining the trope that all white people are racist or white supremacist and this stems from the existential guilt of history. [20:00] Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris, and Daniel Dennett seem to equate that religious belief is a set of propositions about the material world, in a way a direct competitor to scientific theory, and that’s just not fully accurate. There is something outside of strictly rationality in the human experience. [34:20] Fragmentation of the value structure necessarily leads to an increased level of constant anxiety in all experience [36:30] What parts of modern society are contributing to the integrity of consciousness, and what things are degrading that. A hatred for real success and striving for personal gain will tear us apart if it continues unchecked. [43:30] There is no doubt that economic exploitation occurs and that some wealth is gained in an unethical manner, but that is not the rule. [45:45] - Asking about the importance of beauty in all of our personal experiences as well as our collective experience as humans. [51:00] interesting to consider the differences in Fyodor Dostoevsky and Friedrich Nietzsche closeness to the ideal of beauty [56:30] The complexity of the language of Beyond Order:12 More Rules for Life. What is Jordan's process for increasing the precision of his speech and writing?  [1:03:30] The divinity of the true word and the way this has been translated through Jordan’s book Beyond Order. Peterson's philosophy behind good writing and text structure of a truly complete work. [1:13:40] Mikhaila Peterson has had to choose to be strong because she has had so much suffering to overcome in her life. It’s wonderful to see her succeeding in her personal endeavors like her weekly podcast. [1:20:15] How do we best teach our children in a way that fosters their individual growth and a love of learning. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
This episode was recorded on October 5th, 2021. Podcasters and evolutionary biology power-couple Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying join me to discuss a variety of topics related to their new book, A Hunter-Gatherer’s Guide to the 21st Century. We explore topics like niche-switching, what Darwin got wrong, Twitter, sources for modern values, hyper-novelty, the aftermath of progress, parenthood, and sexual selection – just to name a few. Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying are evolutionary biologists, former Evergreen State College professors, and the current hosts of the DarkHorse podcast. You may also know Bret through Joe Rogan, or as the twice-moderator for Jordan’s debates with Sam Harris. The couple’s book, titled “A Hunter-Gatherer’s Guide to the 21st Century: Evolution and the Challenges of Modern Life,” asks why the most prosperous age in history has scarcely offset suicide rates, tribal division, loneliness, and human misery. Follow Bret at: And Heather at: The DarkHorse Podcast: A Hunter-Gatherer’s Guide to the 21st Century: Evolution and the Challenges of Modern Life: ______________ Shownotes ______________ [00:00] Intro [00:30] Guests’ background [01:32] A Hunter-Gatherer’s Guide to the 21st Century – why they wrote it [04:30] “Values might not be [scientifically] defensible. Taken to the extreme, it might be hard to explain why existing is better than not" - Bret Weinstein [05:07] “We believe that any credible 'ought' needs to be scientifically informed" - BW [05:45] Learning to negotiate hyper-novelty in the modern world. The extremely fast rate of progress and change [06:56] “The amazing rate of change we’ve created is itself deranging us and making it very difficult to understand and remember how to be human” - Heather Heying [08:18] “It's not that progress is bad – the benefit of progress is often tremendous, but it almost always comes with important unintended consequences” - BW [09:26] Our incredible ability to adapt by “niche-switching” [15:41] Unintended consequences & modern sleeping [22:45] Twitter as a giant social experiment; what happens when you can (sort of) communicate with everyone? [25:22] “If people treated each other the way they do on Twitter, they’d get beaten up with enough regularity to stop them. So the net effect [might make us] nicer, right?” - BW [25:47] The importance of nonverbal communication; physical and chemical ways humans communicate [29:57] Small talk, gaging social skills, and nonverbal cues [31:28] “Small talk lets you take a room’s temperature–literally and metaphorically" - Heather Heying [32:35] Objections to evolutionary theory: A critique of some key Darwinian tenets [38:28] Play & Evolution [42:08] Intelligence in mate selection amongst bowerbirds [53:12] How Heather conceptualizes male/female status hierarchies [55:57] Sex, gender, and how they’re linked [01:06:44] The Hero's journey and the importance of new storytelling [01:13:42] The adaptive valley picture in evolutionary biology [01:13:46] “I'm trying to update our understanding of stories rather than the stories themselves" - Jordan Peterson [01:21:29] podcasts & collective listening [01:27:26] Parenting & Children [01:27:46] “Children will destroy your life and replace it with a better one" - BW [01:28:52] Parenting & Relationships [01:30:03] Wrapping up #Biology #Evolution #Gender #Pârenting #Darwin // SPONSORS // For Advertising Inquiries, visit Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
In this week’s compilation, we explore the idea of what happens when the religious instinct gets brushed aside – and the things that fill that void instead. Things that, depending on who you ask, may be actively contributing to the breakdown of a society founded on the Abrahamic tradition. Nietzsche has his famous God quote, “God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him. How shall we comfort ourselves, murderers of all murderers? What was holiest and mightiest has bled to death under our knives: who will wipe this blood off? What water is there for us to clean ourselves? What festivals of atonement, what sacred games shall we invent? Is not the greatness of this deed too great for us? Must we ourselves not become gods, simply to appear worthy of it?” The voices in this compilation may be very familiar since some of them are also featured in the Conceptualization of God series. You’re about to hear from the whole spectrum: through Jonathan Pageau and Matthew Petrusek to Stephen Fry and Lawrence Krauss, just to name a few. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
This episode was recorded on September 30, 2021. Congressman Dan Crenshaw and I discuss the fallout of withdrawing from Afghanistan and the details of the 20-plus-year conflict. We talk about life as a US congressman and his experience as a US Navy SEAL. About social media and politics–especially in relation to modern conservatism. And about climate change. On that note, we also examined Dan’s recently-published ”Fortitude: American Resilience in the Era of Outrage.” Dan is a retired Navy SEAL with five deployments overseas during the Afghan and Iraq wars. While in Afghanistan, an IED blast led to Dan losing his right eye. Crenshaw was elected to Congress in 2018, where he serves on the Energy and Commerce Committee (broadest jurisdiction out of all legislative committees). Dan also serves on the House Select Committee on the Climate Crisis.  Find more Dan Crenshaw: @DanCrenshawTX Or on his website: Check out "Fortitude: American Resilience in the Era of Outrage": Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
Over the past few weeks, we have been looking at the reality of the state of the world; not what the corporate media says, not what the politicians are saying, but a new voice - the voice of data. In the previous two episodes, we looked at the Progress of the Human Race. Today, we are tackling the topic of Climate Change. Are we experiencing an increasingly worsening climate? Is it possible that rising temperatures and tides will kill us all? Thankfully, there are a growing number of reputable scientists and authors that are presenting a much more optimistic story than the narrative we typically hear. Using the same data sets as many of the climate alarmists, people like Bjorn Lomborg, Michael Shellenberger, Marian Tupy, and Matt Ridley have been speaking to the idea that climate change is real, it’s just not the apocalyptic threat that we’ve been told it is. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
This episode was recorded on September 6, 2021. Dr. Christopher Kaczor, Dr. Matthew Petrusek, and I discuss their new book “Jordan Peterson, God, and Christianity”—the first systematic analysis of 12 Rules for Life and my biblical series from a Christian perspective. We also cover—just to name a few—truth in fiction, time before consciousness, faith, evolution, love, and acting as if God exists. Dr. Christopher Kaczor is a Professor of Philosophy at Loyola Marymount University. He was appointed a Corresponding Member of the Pontifical Academy for Life of Vatican City, is a fellow of the Word on Fire Institute, and won a Templeton Grant for his work. He has written many scholarly articles and books. Dr. Matthew R. Petrusek is an associate professor at Loyola Marymount University in LA. He holds an MA from Yale and a PhD from the University of Chicago. Dr. Petrusek specializes in Christian ethics and moral theology and lectures on a range of topics surrounding philosophy, theology, and Catholicism. Find more Dr. Christopher Kaczor on Twitter @Prof_Kaczor: And more Dr. Matthew Petrusek @MattPetrusek: Get their book at [00:00] Intro [02:26] The motivation behind "Jordan Peterson, God, and Christianity" [09:34] Genesis, the literal sense in scripture and the truth in fiction [10:21] "The Atheist types miss that fiction isn't false" Jordan Peterson [11:45] "A story that can change your life has a power that is best described as religious" JP [12:23] Truth in fiction and religious text [14:00] "I think truth is broader [than the empirically verifiable]" [18:44] The problem with the empirical approach and replacing God [22:07] "[When] Ceasar becomes inflated to God, all hell breaks loose" JP [22:35] "If we don't segregate off the religious instinct and give it its proper attention, [everything] starts becoming inappropriately contaminated with religious longing. That's why you see [division and] the rise in powerful political ideologies" JP [23:32] On the perversion of the religious instinct [25:41] The Bible's warning in Noah and the tower of Babel [30:43] Time before consciousness [36:43] "Matter at the quantum level makes it difficult to think of a universe without conscious observers" JP  [40:45] Are science and religion at odds?  [44:00] Dr. Petrusek on science/religion [46:31] On Faith [54:52] Imitating the spirit of the Father [54:56] "You can conceptualize Christ as the representation of all things admirable." JP [57:53] "Faith is the willingness to act that out in the world" JP [01:00:27] Why we must strive to be good [01:01:12] "I am loved and I wish to love, and I recognize that I will fail time and time again" Matthew Petrusek [01:05:26] Evolution and religion [01:11:09] The creation of the universe [01:11:36] The church and Dr. Peterson's popularity [01:15:41] "Faith cannot oppose reason" MP [01:16:48] The challenge of drawing younger people to church [01:33:31] Acting as if God exists [01:36:37] "Your life isn’t about you and your own thoughts" MP [01:39::46] "When people fall in love with one another, they see the perfection that could conceivably exist. It's like the curtains of illusion pull apart momentarily, and you see the paradisal state that could be there" JP [01:40:10] God's love and the love between a parent and a child [01:43:07] How to treat those we love [01:43:29] "The more love you view other people with, the higher the moral demand that’s placed on you" JP [01:44:25] “I think there’s too much moral authority in the church" JP [01:43:39] The ten commandments; the moral load of sin [01:49:25] Understanding hell [01:55:22] More on Word on Fire [01:58:04] The Exodus lectures #Christianity #Evolution #Meaning #God #Faith Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
This is part two of our investigation into the Progress of the Human Race, and we would like to restate our goal here. All the mainstream media ever talk about is how the world’s in dire straits, how we’re going in an irreversible direction, and how it’s all our fault. We explored this narrative in depth in season 4 of the podcast. And we’d like to promote an alternative narrative–one where, in almost every direction you look, you find progress at a rate that, for most of history, would sound like sci-fi. This episode, part two, once again heavily features Marian Tupy, dad’s guest on episode 14 of the current podcast season. Marian is a senior fellow at Cato Institute’s Center for Global Liberty and Prosperity and co-authored the incredible book “Ten Global Trends Every Smart Person Should Know,” which I’m sure many of you will know. Also featured in this episode are Michael Shellenberger, Dr. Saifedean Ammous, Viscount Matt Ridley, Steven Pinker, and Bjorn Lomborg.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
This episode was recorded on November 10th, 2021. In this episode, philosopher Mohammed Hijab joined me to discuss a wide array of topics, such as the traditionalist interpretation of Islam, its metanarrative, the story of the prophet Muhammad, and some common ground among monotheistic Abrahamic religions. Mohammed Hijab is an author and philosopher whose main interests lie in political philosophy, philosophy of religion, and comparative religion. He seeks to spread a better understanding of traditionalist Islam while engaging with prominent thinkers and philosophers worldwide. Find more from Mohammed Hijab on Twitter: [00:00] Intro [01:48] What beliefs and practices are central to Islam? [04:12] Islam’s unmoved mover argument for God and the universe [07:30] “Things made of parts... must be contingent on being created by something else, a sorting mechanism [that] doesn’t necessitate [creation itself].” Mohammed Hijab [08:25] “It is problematic, through the lens of Islam... for there to be a god of a triune nature like [in] Christianity.” MH [08:58] “Islam does not believe that there’s an element of divinity... in human beings.” MH [10:09] “The word Islam does not mean peace; it means submission. Islam believes that everything in the universe submits to God.” MH [10:57] The metanarrative of Islam [12:12] Mohammed’s view of worship and belief [12:48] “We believe in... the inherent belief in God implanted in humans.” MH [15:20] What’s the purpose of belief? [17:00] The instinct for God arguments vs new atheists [18:27] The Muslim ideal for worship, compared [24:36] Muslims and Christians as followers of Jesus Christ [27:59] How does Dr. Peterson envision the spark of divinity? [28:25] “The divine spark is embodied virtue... reflective of the highest value, operating at a local scale.” JP [29:42] How are the attributes of God knowable to a Muslim? The importance of the original version of the Quran [35:07] “Islam is an evangelizing religion... we want everyone to embrace it.” MH [35:31] Bridges to Islam [38:50] “I’m speaking from the perspective of someone who’s a traditionalist Muslim and not a liberal or enlightened Muslim.” MH [40:47] An abridged story of the prophet Muhammad. The Mecca and Medina periods. Rationalizing the warrior emphasis of many Muslim teachings [44:10] Muhammad’s warrior traits and Hijab’s interpretation [49:20] Exploring the terms “warlord” and “defensive wars.” [50:54] In Hijab’s opinion, what’s the central driving force behind the expansion of Islam? [52:10] “Islam has the capability of being expansive through war... and of making peace treaties. It does and should do whatever’s in its best interest, just like every country.” MH [55:39] Against totalitarianism [58:46] “Evangelising isn’t the same as compelling.” MH [58:56] “Let the best story win. I would say that the proper mode of conversion is something like a shining example.” JP [01:00:28] M.Hijab on western misconceptions of Islam [01:03:20] Other seldom-discussed aspects of Islam [01:08:53] M.Hijab’s take on the war in Serbia [01:11:05] The economic output of Islamic countries [01:15:18] M.Hijab on why the traditionalist view is superior to a liberal one [01:21:34] The struggles of belief. How can we check our own views? [01:23:44] Wrapping up #Islam #Christianity #God #Quran #Jesus Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
All we ever hear about on the mainstream news is that the world is in dire straights, that we are going in an irreversible direction, and that it is all our fault. Throughout many conversations in Season 4 of this podcast, we have explored these narratives in depth. We would like to promote an alternative narrative... Did you know that in 1981, 42% of the world’s population was living in what is called “absolute poverty” and by 2018, that number had fallen to 8.1%? By 2030, we are on pace to have less than 5% of the world’s population living in poverty.  Are you aware that alongside nearly eradicating poverty, we have also nearly ended world hunger? Over the last 50 years, we have added nearly 1,000 calories per day to the world food supply average. The world’s poorest region, Sub-Saharan Africa, has roughly the same access to food as Portugal did in the 1960s. As of the last survey in 2017, only 2 out of 173 nations in the world have food access averages under 2,000 calories per day.  We have also drastically increased the supply of tree coverage across the globe, resources are being used more efficiently than ever before, and the global economy has grown by over 100x over the last 200 hundred years. There are legitimate reasons to be concerned about certain specific issues that we still need to improve; but overall, the data is undeniable. We are living in an age of seemingly-impossible progress in nearly every sector imaginable. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
This episode was recorded on November 9th, 2021. Jordan Peterson, Gregg Hurwitz, and Rick Geddes meet to discuss the debate surrounding the multi-billion dollar infrastructure bill currently going through the US congress. Rick Geddes is a professor in the Department of Policy Analysis and Management at Cornell University and a well-recognized expert in American infrastructure policy and development. He has done extensive research on infrastructure, including but not limited to the funding, financing, operation, and maintenance of major projects with a focus on new technologies. Gregg Hurwitz was today’s co-host. Gregg is a former student of Jordan’s at Harvard. He is now a bestselling scriptwriter, producer, and novelist. In the years leading up to the presidential election, Gregg has been working with an independent team of Hollywood writers, producers, and directors to design a moderate, far-reaching political message for the democratic party. Find more Rick Geddes online here: Find More Gregg Hurwitz on Twitter: Check out Gregg’s bestselling books: [00:00] Intro [00:30] Jordan introduces this week’s guests to discuss the newly-proposed infrastructure legislation (winter '21)—a crucial bill for the American people [03:28] Geddes gives an overview of infrastructure and his background therein [07:46] The monumental accomplishment of the US interstate highway system. Could it be built again today? [11:10] “You've heard the adage that time is money. [That's] certainly the case with infrastructure. When a project gets delayed by the NEPA process for say 5 years, the amount of extra money spent... is enormous, it can sometimes double" Rick Geddes [14:42] Gregg Hurwitz highlights the unsophisticated way the media and most politicians are currently handling the infrastructure bill [16:02] “It seems like we can get very little sane discussion in the media on the role that regulation plays in building a renewing infrastructure" GH [16:40] Extra delay and cost in federally funded projects is a regressive tax that hurts the poor and middle class [22:02] Pressure on the infrastructure bill from climate change. Looking at the evolution of new technologies to improve the efficiency of current infrastructure [25:49] “If infrastructure development means replacing inefficient use of resources with efficient use of resources, that should be a net gain on the economic side, so it helps poor people, and it should also have environmental benefits" Dr. Peterson [26:07] What are our current top infrastructure priorities? What needs to be addressed and fixed ASAP? [35:31] We need to capitalize more on the utility of combined public and private ventures in infrastructure projects [52:32] The importance of defining and communicating what a successful infrastructure project looks like [55:36] Given our systemic problems, how can we give politicians and private firms a positive incentive for meaningful participation? [01:03:14] You can only focus on so many projects before outsourcing becomes a necessity [01:12:19] You'd be extremely naive to believe that the people sustaining our infrastructure systems are only in it for personal gain [01:16:48] The extraordinary reliability of the societal infrastructure system [01:18:47] “The idea that it's just power that drives people to the top of organizations isn't true because, if it were, we would have many more psychopaths and they would be way more successful" JP [01:23:15] What about infrastructure projects that should be started immediately? [01:25:44] “This is the ultimate bipartisan thing because it will reduce greenhouse gases, diesel emissions, improve the efficiency of our infrastructure, and it's right there on the table" RG [01:26:21] Outro #InfrastructureBill #Bipartisan #PublicVentures #ClimateChange #Infrastructure Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
This episode was recorded on September 7, 2021. Angus Fletcher and I discuss creativity, the link between literature and resilience, what makes for compelling narratives, the different kinds of stories, and much more. Angus Fletcher is a Professor of Story Science at Ohio State's Project Narrative, the world's leading academic think-tank for narrative theory. He is also the author of Wonderworks: The 25 Most Important Inventions in the History of Literature. Find more Angus Fletcher on his website: [00:00] Intro [01:21] What is Project Narrative? [02:27] "Stories are the most powerful things ever invented. They're the most powerful tool we possess" Angus Fletcher [03:04] "When you realize stories have the power to change how our mind works, to troubleshoot it, to make it more resilient, more creative, more scientific—to do all these things... When you couple the power of stories with the human brain, you throw open the doors to anything" AF [03:53] The problem with literary studies. How stories empower us and improve performance [07:06] Wonderworks and the story of courage in Homer's Iliad [12:40] "Literature and scripture are synonyms. They mean 'that which is written.' So [something] more fundamental than any technology... Is simply that sense of spiritual experience" AF [13:18] The Neuropsychology of Anxiety by J. Grey [14:44] What are the 2 kinds of stories? [19:12] Story thinking [19:22] "Human cognition is largely narrative. We process the world narratively" AF [22:12] "The wonder of being on this earth... is to build stories and [empower people] to tell their own" AF "And to unite us in a collective story so we can work towards the same ends" JP [23:00] Why are certain stories so compelling? [24:48] The zone of proximal development [25:44] "Being enthralled is a manifestation of the instinct that specifies the zone of proximal development" JP [31:24] The ideal spirit transcending the individual; Jung's Pleroma [32:14] "The flip side of anxiety is creativity—they're both about restless energy" AF [33:31] What's the source of dreams? [33:55] "We have this vast knowledge in embodied action." A great storyteller takes "images that reflect a compelling pattern of behavior [and verbalizes them]” JP [34:56] Abstract representation of patterns as a dream-source [38:43] Computational power, stories, and the differences between the abstract and particular [38:48] "Much of what drives the demand for higher computational resources is... producing artificial realities for fantasy simulation" JP  [45:51] Christianity and Star Wars [46:35] "Star Wars is Christianity for atheist nerds" JP [46:56] "We are most happy when we don't perceive ourselves as inheriting an archetypal story" AF [48:16] "We see in stories, and this is partly why our eyes are adapted... so that people can see [the white in] our eyes. It's really important because [our eyes point at] what they're interested in. We can see what they value [and] infer their motivation" JP [50:36] Literature and psychedelic experiences [51:27] "In psychotherapy... you're trying to hammer the person's narrative into a single... functional unit" JP [55:31] Trauma, unconscious mapping, and dream analysis [56:56] "Any territory you cannot perceive through the overlaid projection of a narrative map is traumatizing" JP  [59:59] Jung, Joseph Campbell, and Erich Neumann [01:02:51] Jung vs Darwin on stories [01:10:18] "Literature can build emotional and intellectual resilience" AF [01:14:55] Being adaptive is “to be emotionally and intellectually resilient" AF [01:15:54] Creative training; measuring creativity #Creativity #Stories #Jung #Literature #Darwin Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
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Nate Whaley

starts at 2min 38 seconds

May 18th



May 1st

Gary Ralph

What I feel that I like about being white is precisely akin to what I feel when I realize I am the only person in the room who "knows" the world is a sphere. I feel sorry for those laboring beneath these misapprehensions.

Apr 30th
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Namia Koosehlar


Apr 29th

Mikel Collins

love hearing these two talk.

Apr 24th


01:13 No intro, no daughter

Apr 23rd


Sir Penrose is no doubt brilliant but not very likeable. I suppose in the genetic lottery if you get all the brain power you might be lacking in other functional areas, like friendliness.

Apr 15th


02:37 to skip ads & intro.

Apr 7th

Tony Argent

Treating the OT as anything other than a bunch of unfounded fantasy fables is just plain dishonest. The word "truth" should never be used in any discussions about Genisis.

Apr 6th

Jon Facci

your shows are no longer posting on this app. the number of unlistened episodes are increasing, but nothing has downloaded since the episode with Tammy.

Apr 3rd


I love Jordan but every single time Andy was talking Jordan would cut in and out talk him before he had finished any complete thoughts. Seemed more like Jordan wanted to just talk about Antifa and using an “interview” with Andy as a vehicle for his own desire to wax on an issue. What’s strange about this is he doesn’t need to do it. Those of us listening are here exactly for this kind of thing, just don’t sell it as an interview where you are trying to learn something from the guest when that’s not what you’re doing at all.

Mar 31st

Reza Hosseini

I was wondering whether u have geo-restricted access to the podcast? 'Cause I'm in Iran and not able to listen.

Mar 31st

Zach Cooper

some great points throughout this talk

Mar 29th

Kenny X

wow, i dint no Jimmy carr was this eloquent lol

Mar 27th

Joshua Cress

Absolute fire. Needed listening for everyone.

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Mar 25th

Peter Slyomovics

sam is always pontificating and not listening. as an expression of philosophy, he makes many logical leaps without realizing it.

Mar 22nd

Richard Powell

I was influenced by both these men, but not in the way they would like! What arrogant drivel. Neither the right nor the left are homogenous groups and the vilification of the left just shows bias and a closed mind. Could it be that people don’t want to be on this fellows radio show because he’s so confrontational and not really interested in true dialogue? A fighter and interested in winning, that’s what I got… ugly stuff.

Mar 18th


Very good podcast. Thanks!

Mar 15th

Rick Quin

the ending was so cringe lol good listen none the less

Mar 12th
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