The Market Gardener Podcast

In this episode, we dive into the world of market gardening with Jodi Roebuck, a globally inspired farmer from New Zealand. Jodi shares his journey from surfing on volcanic coastlines to building a thriving farm from compact subsoil, emphasizing soil health, composting, and efficient farming techniques. Drawing on lessons from traveling the world and visiting diverse farms, he highlights the value of learning through hands-on experience and cross-disciplinary inspiration. We discuss the principles of bio-intensive farming, lean systems, and the art of balancing productivity with sustainability. This conversation explores the resilience, innovation, and passion it takes to create a farm that’s not just a livelihood but a meaningful connection to the land and community. PLEASE make sure to subscribe to the podcast, download our episodes, and rate them! Your support means the world to us. Thank you! Timestamps [1:48] Turning volcanic subsoil into thriving farmland. [5:33] Surfing as a metaphor for farming: Observation and timing. [10:04] Building resilience through composting and soil health. [15:27] The importance of traveling and learning from other farms. [20:12] Lessons in bio-intensive farming and managing weed pressure. [25:05] Lean systems: Eliminating waste and maximizing efficiency. [33:14] Transitioning from seed production to market gardening. [40:08] Year-round growing: Challenges and strategies for winter crops. [50:22] Creating strong community connections through local markets. [1:04:18] Long-term investments and scaling sustainably. [1:15:42] The future of small-scale farming and expanding potential. [1:24:33] Family, fitness, and finding balance in farm life. [1:30:12] Designing farms for efficiency and reduced labor. [1:40:45] Reflections on the global movement for sustainable farming. [1:50:12] Rapid-fire Q&A and final thoughts on farming inspiration. Sponsors Tessier  Use promocode MGI10 for 10% off and free shipping on your first purchase for the Eastern North American regions (Ontario, the Maritimes, and the states of Vermont, Maine, New York, and New Hampshire).  Market Gardener Institute⁠  Join the Masterclass waiting list! Heirloom  Limited time offer of 20% off yearly subscription and use promocode PODCAST to get an extra month of free trial. Links/Resources Market Gardener Institute:  https://themarketgardener.com/  Masterclass:  https://themarketgardener.com/courses/the-market-gardener-masterclass/  Newsletter:  https://themarketgardener.com/newsletter Blog:  https://themarketgardener.com/blog  Books: https://themarketgardener.com/books Growers & Co: https://growers.co/ Heirloom: https://heirloom.ag/ The Old Mill: https://www.espaceoldmill.com/en/ Follow Us Website: http://themarketgardener.com  Facebook: http://facebook.com/marketgardenerinstitute Instagram: http://instagram.com/themarketgardeners Guest Social Media Links Jodi: Website: https://www.roebuckfarm.com/  Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@jodiroebuckofroebuckfarm2967 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jodiroebuck JM: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jeanmartinfortier Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/jeanmartinfortier 

In this episode, we explore the connection between natural wine and terroir-focused vegetables with our guest, Myrtha Zierock, a biodynamic vineyard manager turned small-scale vegetable farmer. Myrtha shares her journey of integrating diversified farming into a wine estate, emphasizing soil health, biodiversity, and the artistry of farming. Discover how vegetables can be celebrated with the same prestige as wine through concepts like tastings and storytelling. We also delve into the challenges of sustainable farming and the importance of embracing beauty and culture in agriculture. PLEASE make sure to subscribe to the podcast, download our episodes, and rate them! Your support means the world to us. Thank you! Timestamps [1:45] Introducing Myrtha [4:05] Imagining farm produce as celebrated as wine [8:00] A veggie tasting inspired by wine culture [12:00] The concept of veggie sommeliers [17:00] Vegetable tourism and experiences around farms [25:00] Challenges of selling high-quality produce [31:00] Markets, food co-ops, and consumer access to fresh produce [43:00] Making vegetables cool and celebrated like wine [53:00] Historical practices in winemaking and farming integration [1:04:00] Biodynamic principles at the wine estate [1:15:00] Artisanal versus natural wine [1:24:00] Personal journey into farming and veggie. [1:31:00] The case for radicchio: “Winter’s colorful crunch” [1:40:00] Challenges facing small farms in Europe [1:43:12] Sense of Wonder by Rachel Carson [1:43:14] Rapid-fire Q&A Sponsors Tessier Use promocode MGI10 for 10% off and free shipping on your first purchase for the Eastern North American regions (Ontario, the Maritimes, and the states of Vermont, Maine, New York, and New Hampshire).  Advancing Eco Agriculture Market Gardener Institute⁠  Join the Masterclass waiting list! Growers & Co Use promo code PODCAST for 15% off tools and accessories Links/Resources Market Gardener Institute:  https://themarketgardener.com/  Masterclass:  https://themarketgardener.com/courses/the-market-gardener-masterclass/  Newsletter:  https://themarketgardener.com/newsletter Blog:  https://themarketgardener.com/blog  Books: https://themarketgardener.com/books Growers & Co: https://growers.co/ Heirloom: https://heirloom.ag/ The Old Mill: https://www.espaceoldmill.com/en/ Follow Us Website: http://themarketgardener.com  Facebook: http://facebook.com/marketgardenerinstitute  Instagram: http://instagram.com/themarketgardeners  Guest Social Media Links Foradori: https://www.agricolaforadori.com/en/ Culinary Breeding Network: https://www.culinarybreedingnetwork.com/ Instagram: @agricolaforadori @myrthazierock ⁠https://www.instagram.com/agricolaforadori/ https://www.instagram.com/myrthazierock/ JM: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jeanmartinfortier Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/jeanmartinfortier 

This week, we speak with Benjamin Fahrer, a permaculture designer and farmer, who combines ecological principles with innovative rooftop farm designs across cities in California. Benjamin shares how his background in building and permaculture design shaped his vision for creating resilient food systems. We explore the importance of soil health, biodiversity, and regenerative practices in addressing both climate and social challenges. Benjamin highlights the value of fresh, nutrient-dense produce and the potential of urban agriculture to reconnect communities with truly healthy food. PLEASE make sure to subscribe to the podcast, download our episodes, and rate them! Your support means the world to us. Thank you! Timestamps [03:00] Importance of design in farming. [04:30] Benjamin’s farming and building roots. [07:04] Discovering permaculture design. [10:09] Lessons from pioneers like Bob Cannard. [12:46] Wendell Berry on perfection and humility. [20:39] Urban farming challenges and opportunities. [25:08] Esalen Institute: blending farming and spirituality. [39:33] Food freshness and nutrient density. [50:28] Key steps for regenerative ag: Reckoning, restoration, resilience. [55:08] Tillage and soil health: timing matters. [1:03:36] Farms as ‘refugia’ in climate change. [1:09:18] Insights from rooftop farming projects. [1:26:05] Designing for diversity and nature’s role. [1:31:04] Soil microbiome and farming practices [1:50:01] Rapid fire Q&A [1:50:26] The Tao Of Leadership by John Heider & Tao Te Ching by Lao Tzu Sponsors Tessier https://info.serres-guytessier.com/en/tessier-mgi10 Use promocode MGI10 for 10% off and free shipping on your first purchase for the Eastern North American regions (Ontario, the Maritimes, and the states of Vermont, Maine, New York, and New Hampshire).  Bootstrap Farmer https://www.bootstrapfarmer.com/?utm_source=mg-jm&utm_medium=podcast  New Society Publishing Use code market25 for 25% off all books https://newsociety.com/?utm_source=The%20Market%20Gardener%20Podcast&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=Sponsorship  Heirloom   Limited time offer of 20% off yearly subscription and use promocode PODCAST to get an extra month of free trial. Market Gardener Institute Links/Resources Market Gardener Institute:  https://themarketgardener.com/  Masterclass:  https://themarketgardener.com/courses/the-market-gardener-masterclass/  Newsletter:  https://themarketgardener.com/newsletter Blog:  https://themarketgardener.com/blog  Books: https://themarketgardener.com/books Growers & Co: https://growers.co/ Heirloom: https://heirloom.ag/ The Old Mill: https://www.espaceoldmill.com/en/ Follow Us Website: https://themarketgardener.com/ Facebook: http://facebook.com/marketgardenerinstitute  Instagram: http://instagram.com/themarketgardeners  Guest Social Media Links Benjamin: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/benjaminfahrer  Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/farmtheroof Websites:  https://www.topleaffarms.com/  https://www.deepmedicinecircle.org/  https://regenorganic.org/  JM: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jeanmartinfortier Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/jeanmartinfortier 

This week, we sit down with Alex Meizlish of Ecolibrium Farm, a market gardener from Seattle with a passion for building community through food. Alex shares his journey from studying science in university to teaching environmental education in the Pacific Northwest, and finally to becoming a small-scale farmer.  We explore his experiences working with chefs, the challenges of creating a resilient organic farm, and his vision for connecting people to their food through memorable culinary experiences. The conversation touches on the importance of community, the artistry of sustainable farming, and the fulfillment of reconnecting with nature. PLEASE make sure to subscribe to the podcast, download our episodes, and rate them! Your support means the world to us. Thank you! Timestamps [3:00] Discussion on growing food, personal reflections on childhood food culture. [6:05] Reflections on American food culture vs. international food cultures. [8:22] The emotional significance of food and family gatherings. [15:00] Journey from childhood gardening to farming. [25:17] Transition from outdoor education to farming and environmental awareness. [40:10] Reflections on building food culture through farming and culinary experiences. [57:20] Conversations on the culinary arts, notable food experiences. [1:03:15] Selling to chefs, discussing farm and restaurant collaborations. [1:30:00] Community, connection, and the impact of farming gatherings. [1:36:53] Rapid fire Q&A Sponsors Tessier Use promocode MGI10 for 10% off and free shipping on your first purchase for the Eastern North American regions (Ontario, the Maritimes, and the states of Vermont, Maine, New York, and New Hampshire).  Bootstrap Farmer Market Gardener Institute   Limited time offer of $99 USD on our online course Introduction To Organic Farming. Links/Resources Market Gardener Institute:  https://themarketgardener.com/  Masterclass:  https://themarketgardener.com/courses/the-market-gardener-masterclass/  Newsletter:  https://themarketgardener.com/newsletter Blog:  https://themarketgardener.com/blog  Books: https://themarketgardener.com/books Growers & Co: https://growers.co/ Heirloom: https://heirloom.ag/ The Old Mill: https://www.espaceoldmill.com/en/ Follow Us Website: http://themarketgardener.com Facebook: http://facebook.com/marketgardenerinstitute  Instagram: http://instagram.com/themarketgardeners  Guest Social Media Links Alex Meizlish: Website: https://www.ecolibriumfarms.com/  Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ecolibriumfarms/  Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/ecolibriumfarms/  JM: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jeanmartinfortier Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/jeanmartinfortier 

This week we chat with Palisa Anderson, organic farmer, author, and owner of Chat Thai restaurant in Australia. She shares her journey from city life to sustainable farming, driven by family influence and health benefits, and we discuss the challenges of running a closed-loop farm, rewilding efforts, and supplying organic produce to restaurants. The conversation highlights the fulfillment found in homesteading, cooking with fresh ingredients, and reconnecting with nature through sustainable agriculture. Please make sure to SUBSCRIBE to the podcast, DOWNLOAD our episodes, and RATE them! Your support means the world to us. Thank you! Timestamps [1:27] Guest background and early inspirations [2:18] Becoming a farmer and family background [4:00] Transition from city life to farm life [10:06] Influence of health on lifestyle choices [17:00] The importance of food sourcing and whole foods [26:36] Environmental impact and rewilding efforts [34:05] Connection to land and traditional farming methods [44:08] The restaurant business and starting a farm [51:16] Transition to organic farming [1:08:26] Farm description and its unique ecosystem [1:18:08] Seasonal produce and crop cycles [1:34:10] Connecting with chefs and restaurant partnerships [1:45:04] Advocacy for agrarian food and homesteading [1:53:17] Advice on selling to restaurants [1:58:56] Rapid-fire questions on books, advice, and culinary memories Sponsors Tessier Use promocode MGI10 for 10% off and free shipping on your first purchase for the Eastern North American regions (Ontario, the Maritimes, and the states of Vermont, Maine, New York, and New Hampshire).  Advancing Eco Ag   New Society Publishing Use code market25 for 25% off all books Market Gardener Institute Limited time offer of $99 USD on our online course Introduction To Organic Farming. Newsletter:  https://themarketgardener.com/newsletter Blog:  https://themarketgardener.com/blog  Books: https://themarketgardener.com/books Growers & Co: https://growers.co/ Heirloom: https://heirloom.ag/ The Old Mill: https://www.espaceoldmill.com/en/ Follow Us Website: http://themarketgardener.com  Facebook: http://facebook.com/marketgardenerinstitute  Instagram: http://instagram.com/themarketgardeners  Guest Social Media Links Palisa Anderson: Instagram:  www.instagram.com/palisaanderson     www.instagram.com/boonluckfarmorganics    www.instagram.com/chatthai_official   JM: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jeanmartinfortier Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/jeanmartinfortier 

This week we chat with Luke Sheldrick from Terramor Farm about his journey in building a thriving market garden. We tackle the challenges of parenting while starting a farm, explore the crucial role of professionalism and strategic planning in running a successful farm business, and uncover how Luke supplies over 20 restaurants with his fresh produce. We also dive into Luke’s new online course, The Crop Plan Accelerator, which will teach you how to master the essential skill of crop planning for a profitable farming venture. Succession Crop Planning Cheat Sheet! https://themarketgardener.ac-page.com/succession-crop-planning-lead-magnet-en Online Course - The Crop Plan Accelerator PLEASE make sure to subscribe to the podcast, download our episodes, and rate them! Your support means the world to us. Thank you! Timestamps [2:23] Starting the farm journey [5:07] Farm setup and expansion [11:05] Canadian Agricultural Loans Act [17:17] Farm growth and scaling [21:03] Crop selection strategy [34:10] Importance of professionalism on the farm [36:20] Delegation and team management [40:20] Hiring and building a strong team [46:21] SOPs and crop planning [52:07] Working with Heirloom crop planning app [1:14:06] Selling to restaurants [1:28:00] Future of small-scale farming [1:34:46] Rapid-fire Q&A Sponsors Tessier Use promocode MGI10 for 10% off and free shipping on your first purchase for the Eastern North American regions (Ontario, the Maritimes, and the states of Vermont, Maine, New York, and New Hampshire).  Market Gardener Institute   Limited time offer of $99 USD on our online course Introduction To Organic Farming. Links/Resources Market Gardener Institute:  https://themarketgardener.com/  Masterclass:  https://themarketgardener.com/courses/the-market-gardener-masterclass/  Newsletter:  https://themarketgardener.com/newsletter Blog:  https://themarketgardener.com/blog  Books: https://themarketgardener.com/books Growers & Co: https://growers.co/ Heirloom: https://heirloom.ag/ The Old Mill: https://www.espaceoldmill.com/en/ Follow Us Website: http://themarketgardener.com Facebook: http://facebook.com/marketgardenerinstitute  Instagram: http://instagram.com/themarketgardeners  Guest Social Media Links Luke Sheldrick: Website: https://terramorfarm.com/  IG: instagram.com/terramorfarm  JM: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jeanmartinfortier Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/jeanmartinfortier

This week we speak with Scott Chaskey, a farmer, poet, author, and pioneer of the CSA movement. His latest book, Soil and Spirit, explores our connection and kinship with nature through farming and storytelling. In this wide ranging conversation we explore the history of community supported agriculture (CSA) in North America, the spread of CSA’s around the world, land trusts and the concepts of “ownership” and “the commons”, and the many ways in which we are deeply connected with all living things.  Soil And Spirit by Scott Chaskey http://milkweed.org/book/soil-and-spirit  PLEASE make sure to subscribe to the podcast, download our episodes, and rate them! Your support means the world to us. Thank you! Timestamps [3:21] Shi-Yan and CSA movement in China [10:38] Origins of CSA in the US \ Quail Hill Farm [13:13] Land Trust and CSA relationship [18:45] NOT owning the farm \ concept of “the commons” in Europe [27:40] Learning to garden in England [36:26] The Quail Hill Farm CSA, one of the first in the US [54:15] Scott’s book Soil And Spirit \ Kinship with nature  [1:04:48] Hand tools \ BCS history \ Tractors [1:15:09] Current state of the CSA movement [1:26:39] The word “peasant” [1:33:39] Rivers and mountains poetry tradition / Gary Snyder poet [1:37:13] The Tree by John Fowles [1:39:10] Finding the Mother Tree by Suzanne Simard \ The Overstory by Richard Powers [1:46:54] Navajo word Hózhǫ́ [1:49:05] Community questions [1:53:32] In Paradise by Peter Matthiessen Sponsors Tessier https://info.serres-guytessier.com/en/tessier-mgi10 Use promocode MGI10 for 10% off and free shipping on your first purchase for the Eastern North American regions (Ontario, the Maritimes, and the states of Vermont, Maine, New York, and New Hampshire).  New Society Publishing Use code market25 for 25% off all books https://newsociety.com/?utm_source=The%20Market%20Gardener%20Podcast&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=Sponsorship  Market Gardener Institute www.themarketgardener.com/introduction  Limited time offer of $99 USD on our online course Introduction To Organic Farming. Links/Resources Market Gardener Institute:  https://themarketgardener.com/  Masterclass:  https://themarketgardener.com/courses/the-market-gardener-masterclass/  Newsletter:  https://themarketgardener.com/newsletter Blog:  https://themarketgardener.com/blog  Books: https://themarketgardener.com/books Growers & Co: https://growers.co/ Heirloom: https://heirloom.ag/ The Old Mill: https://www.espaceoldmill.com/en/ Follow Us Website: http://themarketgardener.com  Facebook: http://facebook.com/marketgardenerinstitute  Instagram: http://instagram.com/themarketgardeners  Guest Social Media Links Scott Chaskey: Website: https://www.scottchaskey.com/  IG: https://www.instagram.com/scottchaskey JM: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jeanmartinfortier Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/jeanmartinfortier 

Show Notes This week, JM and Chris reflect on season 1, discussing the themes and ideas that stood out for them, what they learned, what surprised them, and what is exciting them the most about the future of this movement. You’ll hear clips from each episode along with reflections, giving you a feel for each guest in case you missed any, and a birds-eye view of the themes that came up throughout the season.  See you in Season 2, coming October 31st! PLEASE make sure to subscribe to the podcast, download our episodes, and rate them! Your support means the world to us. Thank you! Timestamps [12:11] Rob Rock - Ep 9 [20:55] Dave Chapman - Ep 2 [30:19] Jeff Tkach - Ep 12[42:15] David McMillan - Ep 7 [48:17] Maude-Hélène Desrochers - Ep 8 [59:10] Orlane Panet - Ep 6 [1:07:17] Thierry Lison - Ep 5 [1:12:00] Stephanie Wang - Ep 3  [1:19:34] Christa Barfield - Ep 11[1:28:43] Pete Russel - Ep 4 [1:37:48] Beth Hunter - Ep 10 Book List: Break Em Up by Zephyr Teachout Barons by Austin Frerick A Wizard Of Earthsea by Ursula Le Guin The Joy Of BurnOut by Dina Glouberman Ru by Kim Thuy The Sovereign Individual by James Dale Davidson & Lord William Rees-Mogg Permaculture Design Handbook by Bill Mollison World Without End by Jean-Marc Jancovici The Four Agreements by Don Miguel Ruiz A History Of Food by Maguelonne Touissant-Samat Nothing If Not Critical: Selected Essays On Art And Artists by Robert Hughes Soil by Matthew Evans The One Straw Revolution by Masanobu Fukuoka Collaborating With The Enemy by Adam Kahane Bridge To Terabithea by Katherine Paterson The Monk Who Sold His Ferarri by Robin Sharma Sponsors Market Gardener Institute Use promo code podcast15 for 15% off these select courses: Mastering Greenhouse Production 8 Most Profitable Crops Season Extension Strategies Market Gardening & Organic Farming for Beginners Winter Farming Strategies Links/Resources Market Gardener Institute:  https://themarketgardener.com/  Masterclass:  https://themarketgardener.com/courses/the-market-gardener-masterclass/  Newsletter:  https://themarketgardener.com/newsletter Blog:  https://themarketgardener.com/blog  Books: https://themarketgardener.com/books Growers & Co: https://growers.co/ Heirloom: https://heirloom.ag/ The Old Mill: https://www.espaceoldmill.com/en/ Follow Us Website: http://themarketgardener.com  Facebook: http://facebook.com/marketgardenerinstitute  Instagram: http://instagram.com/themarketgardeners  Guest Social Media Links JM: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jeanmartinfortier Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/jeanmartinfortier 

This week we're sharing with you an episode of 'The Real Organic Podcast' in which JM sits down with Dave Chapman to discuss the potential of promoting a replicable, decentralized food and farming system that relies on people building relationships with both land and community, by engaging their powers of observation and connection. Real Organic Podcast: https://realorganicproject.org/get-educated/podcasts/ Real Organic Project: https://realorganicproject.org/  PLEASE make sure to subscribe to the podcast, download our episodes, and rate them! Your support means the world to us. Thank you! Sponsors Bootstrap Farmer https://www.bootstrapfarmer.com/?utm_source=mg-jm&utm_medium=podcast  Links/Resources Market Gardener Institute:  https://themarketgardener.com/  Masterclass:  https://themarketgardener.com/courses/the-market-gardener-masterclass/  Newsletter:  https://themarketgardener.com/newsletter Blog:  https://themarketgardener.com/blog  Books: https://themarketgardener.com/books Growers & Co: https://growers.co/ Heirloom: https://heirloom.ag/ The Old Mill: https://www.espaceoldmill.com/en/ Follow UsWebsite: http://themarketgardener.com Facebook: http://facebook.com/marketgardenerinstitute  Instagram: http://instagram.com/themarketgardeners  Guest Social Media Real Organic Project: Website: https://realorganicproject.org/ Podcast: https://realorganicproject.org/get-educated/podcasts/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/realorganicproject/ Twitter (X): https://twitter.com/realorganicproj Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/realorganicproject/ Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/company/real-organic-project  JM: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jeanmartinfortier Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/jeanmartinfortier 

This week, we chat with Jeff Tkach, CEO of the Rodale Institute, the global leader in regenerative organic agriculture. For over 75 years, the Rodale Institute has been at the forefront of organic agriculture research and education, guided by the belief that healthy soil = healthy food = healthy humans. In this wide-ranging conversation, we explore how Jeff brings his own passion for health into his role as CEO, discuss the 40+ years of research comparing organic and conventional agriculture at Rodale, delve into the concept that healthcare truly begins in the soil, and examine the cultural shift that is drawing more people back to the land. PLEASE make sure to subscribe to the podcast, download our episodes, and rate them! Your support means the world to us. Thank you! Timestamps [4:01] History of Rodale Institute - J.I. Rodale story - Land Grant system [16:41] Jeff's past health problems and how it led him to farming [28:05] Healthcare to farming connection - Doctors conference on a farm [38:26] Research comparing organic to conventional ag - Nutrient density of food [49:56] "Regenerative Organic" and Rodale's ROC certification [55:58] Transitioning from conventional to organic - Rodale's consultancy program & farmer training [1:03:05] Cultural shift of people going back to the land - Food has energy and meaning [1:13:20] Food as medicine - meal at the Old Mill [1:22:54] Critics of organic farming and how they misuse science [1:29:32] "The earth is healing us, not the other way around." [1:34:09] Jeff's "ikigai" (reason for getting out of bed in the morning) [1:37:43] The Monk Who Sold His Ferrari by Robin Sharma [1:39:34] The miracle that is soil Sponsors Bootstrap Farmer https://www.bootstrapfarmer.com/?utm_source=mg-jm&utm_medium=podcast  New Society Publishing https://newsociety.com/ (use code smallfarm25 for 25% off all books) Tessier https://info.serres-guytessier.com/en/tessier-mgi10 Use promocode MGI10 for 10% off and free shipping on your first purchase for the Eastern North American regions (Ontario, the Maritimes, and the states of Vermont, Maine, New York, and New Hampshire). Links/Resources Market Gardener Institute:  https://themarketgardener.com/  Masterclass:  https://themarketgardener.com/courses/the-market-gardener-masterclass/  Newsletter:  https://themarketgardener.com/newsletter Blog:  https://themarketgardener.com/blog  Books: https://themarketgardener.com/books Growers & Co: https://growers.co/ Heirloom: https://heirloom.ag/ The Old Mill: https://www.espaceoldmill.com/en/ Follow UsWebsite: http://themarketgardener.com Facebook: http://facebook.com/marketgardenerinstitute  Instagram: http://instagram.com/themarketgardeners  Guest Social Media Jeff Tkach (Rodale Institute): Website: https://rodaleinstitute.org/ Twitter (X): https://twitter.com/rodaleinstitute/Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/rodaleinstitute/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/rodaleinstitute/channel/ Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/user/rodaleinstitute/ Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/company/rodaleinstitute/  JM: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jeanmartinfortier Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/jeanmartinfortier 

In this episode we chat with Christa Barfield, founder of FarmerJawn, a Philadelphia based farm focused on reintroducing farming into the lifestyles of underserved communities. Farmerjawn is the largest black-woman owned regenerative organic produce farm in the United States and hosts a variety of educational programs and experiences that bring healthy food and nature back into the lives of urban people. In this wide-ranging conversation we discuss the stigmatized relationship that many black & brown people have with the land and how to fix it, the power of amplifying one's voice to spread a message, how we can make healthy local food more accessible and convenient for urban people, and how agriculture is equally a part of all our lineages.  PLEASE make sure to subscribe to the podcast, download our episodes, and rate them! Your support means the world to us. Thank you! Timestamps [2:25] Agriculture is the culture [6:06] Christa's journey to agriculture started with a trip to a Caribbean island [12:49] RE-introducing farming to underserved communities [15:35] Christa's farm, education, helping black people "see themselves" in farming [35:30] Reimagining corner stores with 'CornerJawn' [46:41] Getting pushback as a black woman in farming [49:54] Winning the James Beard Leadership Award, perception/marketing/awareness [1:07:44] Land access, community gardens, marketing & branding for farmers [1:27:38] Making local food more convenient, stories behind seeds [1:32:35] Visibility and amplifying your voice, 93% of US farms are small [1:44:11] Social media gift & curse [1:50:31] Bridge To Terabithea by Katherine Paterson - reading Oscar Wilde [1:53:34] "Give me my flowers while I can still smell them" [1:58:32] Farming reality show Sponsors Bootstrap Farmer https://www.bootstrapfarmer.com/?utm_source=mg-jm&utm_medium=podcast  Ooooby https://www.ooooby.com/ (mention the podcast for 75% off onboarding fee) New Society Publishing https://newsociety.com/ (use code smallfarm25 for 25% off all books) Tessier https://info.serres-guytessier.com/en/tessier-mgi10 Use promocode MGI10 for 10% off and free shipping on your first purchase for the Eastern North American regions (Ontario, the Maritimes, and the states of Vermont, Maine, New York, and New Hampshire). Links/Resources Market Gardener Institute:  https://themarketgardener.com/  Masterclass:  https://themarketgardener.com/courses/the-market-gardener-masterclass/  Newsletter:  https://themarketgardener.com/newsletter Blog:  https://themarketgardener.com/blog  Books: https://themarketgardener.com/books Growers & Co: https://growers.co/ Heirloom: https://heirloom.ag/ The Old Mill: https://www.espaceoldmill.com/en/ Follow UsWebsite: http://themarketgardener.com Facebook: http://facebook.com/marketgardenerinstitute  Instagram: http://instagram.com/themarketgardeners  Guest Social Media Links Christa Barfield: Instagram: http://instagram.com/farmerjawn_  Facebook: http://facebook.com/farmerjawncsa Website: https://www.farmerjawn.co/ Twitter (X): http://twitter.com/farmerjawn_ Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/christa-barfield-2b608486/  JM: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jeanmartinfortier Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/jeanmartinfortier 

In this episode, we chat with Beth Hunter, founder of Foodbridge, a non-profit dedicated to shifting our food and agriculture system to more regenerative and sustainable practices. Beth has been at the forefront of environmental advocacy since she co-founded the pioneering environmental organization, Equiterre, and helped create the first CSA network in Quebec in the 1990s. In this conversation, we explore the complex issues involved in industrial farmers transitioning to more ecological practices, the role of culture in industrial vs. small-scale ag, and why we need bold collaboration with big food companies in order to create meaningful change at all scales of farming. PLEASE make sure to subscribe to the podcast, download our episodes, and rate them! Your support means the world to us. Thank you! Timestamps [1:40] Equiterre story, Supermarket Tours in the 90s, Hungry For Justice booklet [7:16] History of CSA's [24:37] Working with Greenpeace on responsible seafood campaign [32:20] Addressing "systems" to create real change, local food in hospitals and institutions [40:55] Foodbridge, transitioning industrial farmers to more regenerative practices [48:01] Cost of transition is too high for farmer's to bear alone [51:23] Cultural divide as barrier to transition [55:26] Bold collaborations with big food and ag, difficulty of measuring ecological benefits [1:15:28] Role of personal actions and responsibility [1:18:54} Donella Meadows and how to change systems [1:23:13] Power of marketing, spreading awareness, cultural wave of change [1:29:54] Collaborating With The Enemy by Adam Kahane and advice to live by Sponsors Bootstrap Farmer https://www.bootstrapfarmer.com/ Tessier https://info.serres-guytessier.com/en/tessier-mgi10 Use promocode MGI10 for 10% off and free shipping on your first purchase for the Eastern North American regions (Ontario, the Maritimes, and the states of Vermont, Maine, New York, and New Hampshire). Links/Resources Market Gardener Institute:  https://themarketgardener.com/  Masterclass:  https://themarketgardener.com/courses/the-market-gardener-masterclass/  Newsletter:  https://themarketgardener.com/newsletter Blog:  https://themarketgardener.com/blog  Books: https://themarketgardener.com/books Growers & Co: https://growers.co/ Heirloom: https://heirloom.ag/ The Old Mill: https://www.espaceoldmill.com/en/ Follow UsWebsite: http://themarketgardener.com Facebook: http://facebook.com/marketgardenerinstitute  Instagram: http://instagram.com/themarketgardeners  Guest Social Media Links Beth Hunter: LinkedIn: https://ca.linkedin.com/in/beth-hunter-44a1034a Website: https://www.foodbridge.ca/  JM: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jeanmartinfortier Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/jeanmartinfortier 

In this episode we chat with Rob Rock of Pitchfork Farm in Vermont. Rob has been organic farming since 2002 and has been an innovator in the field of "slow tools", tools made for human scale, ecological farming. In this wide ranging conversation we dive deep into topics such as the role of technology in small-scale farming, community building and the importance of local business, the future of small farms amidst climate change, and how we all need to take part in designing the future we want. PLEASE make sure to subscribe to the podcast, download our episodes, and rate them! Your support means the world to us. Thank you! Timestamps [2:36] Importance of farmer gatherings and meeting other farmers [6:36] Designing and creating tools for small farms [8:34] Farm flooding, climate change, future of ag in Vermont [22:55] Why do we need small farms? [30:22] Pitchfork farm, importance of crew relationships, community developing from the farm [42:12] Farm relationship with chefs and restaurants [48:31] Importance of "supporting cast" in the small farm movement [55:43] Slow Tools, becoming a tool inventor, future of tech in slow tools, AI [1:31:01] Where is small-scale farming going as a movement? [1:35:09] Will the future be "solar punk" ? [1:41:39] The One Straw Revolution by Masanobu Fukuoka, farming in Japan [1:48:31] Learn other skills! Take part in designing the future Sponsors Bootstrap Farmer https://www.bootstrapfarmer.com/  Ooooby https://www.ooooby.com/ (mention the podcast for 75% off onboarding fee) Tessier https://info.serres-guytessier.com/en/tessier-mgi10 Use promocode MGI10 for 10% off and free shipping on your first purchase for the Eastern North American regions (Ontario, the Maritimes, and the states of Vermont, Maine, New York, and New Hampshire). Links/Resources Market Gardener Institute:  https://themarketgardener.com/  Masterclass:  https://themarketgardener.com/courses/the-market-gardener-masterclass/  Newsletter:  https://themarketgardener.com/newsletter Blog:  https://themarketgardener.com/blog  Books: https://themarketgardener.com/books Growers & Co: https://growers.co/ Heirloom: https://heirloom.ag/ The Old Mill: https://www.espaceoldmill.com/en/ Follow UsWebsite: http://themarketgardener.com Facebook: http://facebook.com/marketgardenerinstitute  Instagram: http://instagram.com/themarketgardeners  Guest Social Media Links Rob: IG: https://www.instagram.com/real_rob_rock/ Farm IG: https://www.instagram.com/pitchforkfarm/ Tool design IG: https://www.instagram.com/upstream_ag/ Farm Website: https://www.pitchforkfarmvt.com/  JM: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jeanmartinfortier Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/jeanmartinfortier 

In this episode we chat with Maude-Hélène Desroches, JM’s wife and farming partner, who has been operating their home farm, La Grelinette, by herself since 2015. Maude-Hélène not only has a wealth of knowledge and experience in small-scale organic farming but is also a committed environmentalist who believes in the power of eco-citizenship and community to shape a better future. We delve into the innovative farming methods at La Grelinette, the farm's evolution over the years, the pressing issue of overdevelopment, and the importance of rewilding spaces. Maude-Hélène also shares insights on how individual actions can create a ripple effect of positive change in the world. PLEASE make sure to subscribe to the podcast, download our episodes, and rate them! Your support means the world to us. Thank you! Timestamps [1:34] Intro [2:37] Discovering farming in the early 2000's through travel in Mexico and New Mexico [9:41] Returning to Quebec, having a child and starting a farm, living in a teepee [17:59] The origin of 'La Grelinette' Farm and it's evolution over time [22:35] Realizing the farm was onto something, JM writing The Market Gardener [27:49] Soil health, ecological practices, mulch/compost/fertilizer/plastic [40:57] The future, over development, spreading of small farms, conservation [53:17] Eco-citizenship [59:53] Local farms' impact on communities and society [1:07:08] Older and seasoned farmers inspiring the next generation [1:12:11] Advice for team management, work/life balance, [1:21:10] Past employees starting their own farms [1:25:55] Soil by Matthew Evans [1:28:48] Inspired by Eliot Coleman, visiting Frith Farm in Maine [1:30:45] Personal growth through overcoming challenges [1:35:08] The future of 'La Grelinette' Sponsors Bootstrap Farmer https://www.bootstrapfarmer.com/ Activevista https://www.activevista.com.au/ Tessier https://info.serres-guytessier.com/en/tessier-mgi10 Use promocode MGI10 for 10% off and free shipping on your first purchase for the Eastern North American regions (Ontario, the Maritimes, and the states of Vermont, Maine, New York, and New Hampshire). Links/Resources Market Gardener Institute:  https://themarketgardener.com/  Masterclass:  https://themarketgardener.com/courses/the-market-gardener-masterclass/  Newsletter:  https://themarketgardener.com/newsletter Blog:  https://themarketgardener.com/blog  Books: https://themarketgardener.com/books Growers & Co: https://growers.co/ Heirloom: https://heirloom.ag/ The Old Mill: https://www.espaceoldmill.com/en/ Follow Us Website: http://themarketgardener.com Facebook: http://facebook.com/marketgardenerinstitute  Instagram: http://instagram.com/themarketgardeners Guest Social Media Links Maude-Hélène: Website: https://lagrelinette.com/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/LesJardinsdelaGrelinette/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/la_grelinette/ JM: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jeanmartinfortier Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/jeanmartinfortier

In this episode we chat with David McMillan, chef, author, and co-founder of the famous Joe Beef restaurant in Montreal. David left the restaurant business in 2021 and now resides and works on his small farm, Hayfield Farm, where he is re-discovering the ‘art of living’ in the countryside. In this wide-ranging and colorful conversation we explore the power of cooking with homegrown foods, how social media is hurting regional cuisine, viticulture & natural wines, traditional French food culture, and how David has found true happiness in his new life on the farm. PLEASE make sure to subscribe to the podcast, download our episodes, and rate them! Your support means the world to us. Thank you! Timestamps [4:52] Intro [5:44] Chef's relationship with farmers [10:49] David's background working in french kitchens [12:25] The famed Bresse chicken [17:27] The story of Joe Beef [23:55] The art of living - from city chef to countryside farmer [26:15] The joys and challenges of growing grapes and making wine [42:16] Deer overpopulation and wild game in restaurants [55:52] Natural wine deep dive [57:14] Why has the craft beer movement not embraced organic agriculture? [1:25:54] Why David is cooking the best food of his career right now at home on his farm [1:31:23] History of food and the bread of ancient Rome [1:32:49] Are we losing precious things in our modern culture? [1:42:23] Is social media ruining regional cuisine? [1:53:52] Importance of home cooking [1:57:37] Anthony Bourdain - kitchen culture - Gen-Z vs Gen-X [2:08:15] Finding happiness on the farm [2:11:20] New book and TV show in the works (World's oldest restaurants?!) [2:20:32] A History Of Food by Maguelonne Toussaint-Samat [2:20:56] Nothing If Not Critical: Selected Essays on Art and Artists by Robert Hughes [2:23:49] The mystery of David's grandmother's toast Sponsors Bootstrap Farmer https://www.bootstrapfarmer.com/  Tessier https://info.serres-guytessier.com/en/tessier-mgi10 Use promocode MGI10 for 10% off and free shipping on your first purchase for the Eastern North American regions (Ontario, the Maritimes, and the states of Vermont, Maine, New York, and New Hampshire). Links/Resources Market Gardener Institute:  https://themarketgardener.com/  Masterclass:  https://themarketgardener.com/courses/the-market-gardener-masterclass/  Newsletter:  https://themarketgardener.com/newsletter Blog:  https://themarketgardener.com/blog  Books: https://themarketgardener.com/books Growers & Co: https://growers.co/ Heirloom: https://heirloom.ag/ The Old Mill: https://www.espaceoldmill.com/en/ Follow UsWebsite: http://themarketgardener.com Facebook: http://facebook.com/marketgardenerinstitute  Instagram: http://instagram.com/themarketgardeners  Guest Social Media Links David: Instagram: www.instagram.com/davidmcmillanmtl/ www.instagram.com/hayfieldfarm/  www.instagram.com/hayfieldfarmcottage/ Twitter (X): https://x.com/davemcmillanmtl  JM: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jeanmartinfortier Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/jeanmartinfortier 

In this episode we speak with Orlane Panet, co-founder of Microhabitat, an urban farming company creating roof top gardens in cities all around the world. We discuss urban population growth and why we need to re-imagine the cities' unused spaces and how rooftop gardens can be a gateway for city dwellers to learn about sustainability, ecological agriculture, healthy eating and more. Orlane shares her belief in business as a way to make positive change in the world and how the urban farms of Microhabitat have much greater impact than meets the eye. To learn more about Microhabitat visit: https://microhabitat.com/  PLEASE make sure to subscribe to the podcast, download our episodes, and rate them! Your support means the world to us. Thank you! Timestamps [3:56] Microhabitat model and origin story [10:05] Re-thinking the urban environment [16:28] Importance of living soil in urban farming [18:13] Standardization v. improvisation for success in farming and business [21:54] Social and community impact of urban farms [29:09] Container growing v. green roofs [32:48] Alternative career opportunities for farmers [35:30] Environmental reporting - pollinator tracking with sound and air DNA [42:41] Covid's effect on urban farming [49:29] Importance of education in creating change [53:35] How a grower or property owner can get involved [1:01:30] How urban gardens help small farms outside the city [1:05:02] Orlane's personal journey from health issues to organic farming [1:10:47] Why hydroponics is not the answer [1:14:10] The meaning of "sustainability" [1:15:16] Why for-profit business can be more impactful than non-profit [1:20:30] Why collaborating with the "bad guys" may be the best way to change them [1:28:47] The Four Agreements by Don Miguel Ruiz Sponsors Bootstrap Farmer https://www.bootstrapfarmer.com/  Activevista https://www.activevista.com.au/ Use promocode Welcome10 for 10% off your first order! Links/Resources Market Gardener Institute:  https://themarketgardener.com/  Masterclass:  https://themarketgardener.com/courses/the-market-gardener-masterclass/  Newsletter:  https://themarketgardener.com/newsletter Blog:  https://themarketgardener.com/blog  Books: https://themarketgardener.com/books Growers & Co: https://growers.co/ Heirloom: https://heirloom.ag/ The Old Mill: https://www.espaceoldmill.com/en/ Follow Us Website: http://themarketgardener.com Facebook: http://facebook.com/marketgardenerinstitute  Instagram: http://instagram.com/themarketgardeners  Guest Social Media Links Microhabitat: Website: https://microhabitat.com/  Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/microhabitat.ca/  Linkedin: https://ca.linkedin.com/company/microhabitat  Twitter (X): https://twitter.com/microhabitat_ca  Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/microhabitat.ca  Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2b2oLw3wSmH5azWjALI7Ig/videos  JM: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jeanmartinfortier Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/jeanmartinfortier 

Thierry Lison is a market gardener, permaculture teacher, AND marine biologist from French Polynesia. In this episode we explore how Thierry's career in marine biology and a passion for surfing led him to focus on the devastating effects of industrial agriculture on coral reefs, and ultimately start a market garden on a tiny tropical island. His farm, Vaihuti Fresh, blends the principles of permaculture with the strategies of high-yield market gardening while making a positive social impact in the unique context of the Polynesian islands. From coconut-peat soil mix and crabs as garden pests to worldwide biodiversity loss; this wide ranging conversation will give you plenty to think about! PLEASE make sure to subscribe to the podcast, download our episodes, and rate them! Your support means the world to us. Thank you! Sponsors ⁠Bootstrap Farmer⁠ ⁠https://www.bootstrapfarmer.com/⁠  ⁠Market Gardener Institute⁠ ⁠https://themarketgardener.com/courses⁠   Use promo code podcast15 for 15% off these select courses: Mastering Greenhouse Production 8 Most Profitable Crops Season Extension Strategies Market Gardening & Organic Farming for Beginners Winter Farming Strategies Timestamps [5:51] Background in marine biology studying coral reefs [9:45] Starting a farm in Polynesia [14:59] Link between permaculture and market gardening {24:01] Crabs as garden pests {24:49] Research with biochar, coconut husk, and mycorrhizal fungi [34:14] Rewarding farmers for benefitting ecosystem [36:00] Loss of biodiversity [38:46] Cooperative cold-storage and nurseries on the island [43:31] Making coconut-peat [49:25] Unique history and economy of Polynesia [50:12] Covid as turning point for food sovereignty [55:39] Conventional farmers transitioning to organic [1:02:05] Education on the farm [1:07:08] Unique challenges of farming on a tropical island [1:17:05] Indigenous tradition on the islands [1:26:10] Permaculture Design Handbook by Bill Mollison [1:26:42] Jean-Marc Jancovici's 'World Without End'  [1:33:16] Quote from Charles Eisenstein Links/Resources Market Gardener Institute:  https://themarketgardener.com/  Masterclass:  https://themarketgardener.com/courses/the-market-gardener-masterclass/  Newsletter:  https://themarketgardener.com/newsletter Blog:  https://themarketgardener.com/blog  Books: https://themarketgardener.com/books Growers & Co: https://growers.co/ Heirloom: https://heirloom.ag/ The Old Mill: https://www.espaceoldmill.com/en/ Follow UsWebsite: http://themarketgardener.com Facebook: http://facebook.com/marketgardenerinstitute  Instagram: http://instagram.com/themarketgardeners  Guest Social Media Links Thierry: Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/vaihuti/ Website: https://vaihutifresh.com/  JM: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jeanmartinfortier Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/jeanmartinfortier 

In this episode, we speak with Pete Russell, founder of Ooooby, an online platform helping growers to increase sales, simplify packing, and optimize deliveries. We go deep into understanding our current food system, exploring how we got here and where we are going. We explore the history of food shopping, shifting consumer behavior post-covid, innovative business models, and why Pete believes we are at the beginning of a new paradigm in our food system.  Ooooby: https://www.ooooby.com/  PLEASE make sure to subscribe to the podcast, download our episodes, and rate them! Your support means the world to us. Thank you! Sponsors ⁠Bootstrap Farmer⁠ ⁠https://www.bootstrapfarmer.com/⁠  ⁠Market Gardener Institute⁠ ⁠https://themarketgardener.com/courses⁠   Use promo code podcast15 for 15% off these select courses: Mastering Greenhouse Production 8 Most Profitable Crops Season Extension Strategies Market Gardening & Organic Farming for Beginners Winter Farming Strategies Timestamps [2:01] Intro [3:06] Pete's mission to put small-scale back at the heart of the food system [6:04] How Ooooby helps farmers sell online / customer shopping experience [11:15] Supply chain deep-dive [14:01] Impact of 2008 financial crisis on the food system [18:01] How the 1990 Australian recession influenced Pete to play outside the system [25:22] How COVID-19 shifted consumer behavior toward online shopping and local food sourcing [35:29] How new tech is allowing small farms to compete with industrial agriculture [43:33] Story of Soul Farm [49:29] How online shopping is bringing a new demographic to local food [54:30] Centralized v. Decentralized food system [56:18] Ooooby's innovative ownership model [1:03:46] Hidden downside of democratic/cooperative business models [1:12:18] How to get started with Ooooby [1:21:40] Ooooby features; automatic packing lists, automatic delivery routes, online shop front etc. [1:28:22] Society is at a turning point, have we gone too far? [1:31:10] Concept of 'home' and its deeper societal meaning [1:34:49] The Sovereign Individual by James Dale Davidson & Lord William Rees-Mogg [1:35:50] Importance of family Links/Resources Market Gardener Institute:  https://themarketgardener.com/  Masterclass:  https://themarketgardener.com/courses/the-market-gardener-masterclass/  Newsletter:  https://themarketgardener.com/newsletter Blog:  https://themarketgardener.com/blog  Books: https://themarketgardener.com/books Growers & Co: https://growers.co/ Heirloom: https://heirloom.ag/ The Old Mill: https://www.espaceoldmill.com/en/ Follow Us Website: http://themarketgardener.com Facebook: http://facebook.com/marketgardenerinstitute  Instagram: http://instagram.com/themarketgardeners  Guest Social Media Links IG: https://www.instagram.com/oooobyhq/  X: https://twitter.com/Ooooby  FB: https://www.facebook.com/oooobyuk/  LinkedIn: https://uk.linkedin.com/company/ooooby  Website: https://www.ooooby.com/ 

In this episode, we talk with Stephanie Wang; farmer, activist, and author. Stephanie specializes in growing Asian vegetables and creating transformed products such as kimchi on her farm Le Rizen in southern Quebec. Her passion for food sovereignty was sparked by her experiences with Via Campesina, a peasant rights organization, during her early 20s.  We take a deep dive into the perils of our current food and agriculture system, the challenges that both growers and consumers face, and we explore actionable solutions for achieving true food sovereignty for communities worldwide. Stephanie’s book Asian Vegetables: https://www.lerizen.ca/asianvegetablesbook  PLEASE make sure to subscribe to the podcast, download our episodes, and rate them! Your support means the world to us. Thank you! Sponsors Bootstrap Farmer https://www.bootstrapfarmer.com/  Market Gardener Institute https://themarketgardener.com/courses   Use promo code podcast15 for 15% off these select courses: Mastering Greenhouse Production 8 Most Profitable Crops Season Extension Strategies Market Gardening & Organic Farming for Beginners Winter Farming Strategies Timestamps: [2:36] Intro [3:20] Travels and work in India with Via Campesina  [10:35] Starting her farm Le Rizen [15:41] Alternative land access models/farm business models [25:28] Land trusts [31:00] Hospital system v. agriculture system [36:38] Perennial Farms text and the struggles of farmers [36:49] Documentary Je me soulève (Upwelling) by Hugo Latulippe [41:20] Value-added products - Kimchi [47:10] Food Sovereignty [56:31] Quebec mass producing pork for China [1:00:44] Agroecology [1:12:11] State of the family farm [1:15:22] Asian Vegetables book - Culinary heritage [1:28:30] Louisa May Alcott’s Little Women and the bond between sisters  [1:31:00] Burnout as a farmer and The Joy of Burnout by Dina Glouberman [1:40:42] The film Ru, based on the book by Kim Thúy Links/Resources Market Gardener Institute:  https://themarketgardener.com/  Masterclass:  https://themarketgardener.com/courses/the-market-gardener-masterclass/  Newsletter:  https://themarketgardener.com/newsletter Blog:  https://themarketgardener.com/blog  Books: https://themarketgardener.com/books Growers & Co: https://growers.co/ Heirloom: https://heirloom.ag/ The Old Mill: https://www.espaceoldmill.com/en/ Follow Us Website: http://themarketgardener.com Facebook: http://facebook.com/marketgardenerinstitute  Instagram: http://instagram.com/themarketgardeners  Guest Social Media Links Stephanie: Book: https://www.lerizen.ca/asianvegetablesbook  Website: https://www.lerizen.ca/ IG: https://www.instagram.com/le.rizen/ FB: https://www.facebook.com/le.rizen/  Contact: info@lerizen.ca  JM: IG: https://www.instagram.com/jeanmartinfortierFB: https://www.facebook.com/jeanmartinfortier 

Show Notes In this episode, featuring Dave Chapman from the Real Organic Project, the discussion explores the struggles and philosophical shifts within the organic farming community, especially concerning the corporate influence on organic certification standards.  Dave recounts the historical context of organic farming, emphasizing its roots as a movement against conventional agricultural practices and its evolution into a significant market force. He explains how this has sparked a debate within the community about the essence of organic farming and led to the creation of the Real Organic Project, which aims to uphold more traditional organic practices. Real Organic Project: https://realorganicproject.org/  PLEASE make sure to subscribe to the podcast, download our episodes, and rate them! Your support means the world to us. Thank you! Sponsors Bootstrap Farmer https://www.bootstrapfarmer.com/  Ooooby https://www.ooooby.com/ (mention the podcast for 75% off onboarding fee) New Society Publishing https://newsociety.com/ (use code smallfarm25 for 25% off all books) [2:53] Intro [4:19] Organic has always been an insurgency [7:14] History of organic [8:26] Ivy league kids growing their own food in the 60s [10:26] Dave's farming story [13:59] You couldn't find organic at the grocery store in the 90s [15:03] Early adopters of organic and its importance [16:32] Fraudulent organic grain in the US [18:10] The moment it stopped being a "movement" [19:00] Patrick Holden, Lady Eve Balfour, and Albert Howard [20:34] Corporate forces co-opting the cultural movement [23:37] The rapid loss of meaning with "regenerative" [27:56] Rachel Carson's Silent Spring [34:43] History of ag in Asia - F.H. King's Farmers Of 40 Centuries [36:44] Hydroponic becomes organic and the start of the Real Organic Project [42:00] CAFO's in organic [44:30] Zephyr Teachout's Break 'Em Up [45:43] Monopolies were being broken up before Robert Bork changed things in the 1980s [48:56] 70% of organic berries in the US are Driscoll's berries [53:23] How can small organic farmers compete with the prices of big organic? [54:47] Majority of our food production moving to central America [58:26] Thoreau and ML King's activism [1:02:48] There has always been bad farming even before chemical agriculture [1:04:59] Why big companies love "regenerative" [1:07:12] Monsanto's "climate smart" agriculture [1:08:04 Is "No-Till" being co-opted too? [1:12:04] Pepsi claims regenerative?! [1:13:25] Hope for the future [1:18:33] The world's best manipulators have all the money, and they're working tirelessly to mislead you [1:19:09] Seth Godin on the internet [1:20:20] It was hard for the pioneers in the past, and it won't be easy in the future either [1:25:30] Europe's field to fork initiative [1:42:50] The Real Organic Project [1:45:19] What book have you read more than once? [1:46:56] What advice did you only appreciate later in life? [1:49:05] What's the best difficult decision and best mistake you've ever made? Links/Resources Market Gardener Institute:  https://themarketgardener.com/  Masterclass:  https://themarketgardener.com/courses/the-market-gardener-masterclass/  Newsletter:  https://themarketgardener.com/newsletter Blog:  https://themarketgardener.com/blog  Books: https://themarketgardener.com/books Growers & Co: https://growers.co/ Heirloom: https://heirloom.ag/ The Old Mill: https://www.espaceoldmill.com/en/ Follow Us Website: http://themarketgardener.com Facebook: http://facebook.com/marketgardenerinstitute  Instagram: http://instagram.com/themarketgardeners  Guest Social Media Links Real Organic Project: https://realorganicproject.org/  JM: https://www.instagram.com/jeanmartinfortier https://www.facebook.com/jeanmartinfortier  Chris: https://www.instagram.com/chris_m_moran