The Mindful Marketing Podcast (Formerly Known As The Savvy Social Podcast)

What do you do when trolls show up in your comments? After sharing a clip about inclusive marketing, I was hit with racist remarks and negativity.  Instead of letting it derail me, I’m breaking down how I handle comments like these, what boundaries I put in place, and why protecting your energy online matters more than ever. If you’re creating content online and feeling the sting from a hateful comment or just need a reminder that you’re not alone, this one’s for you. In this episode of the podcast, I talk about:  Why negative comments sting (and why it’s not personal) How to set boundaries and spot when they’re crossed Practical steps I take when hate shows up Why your “energy budget” matters as much as your content calendar How to keep creating without letting trolls win   This Episode Was Made Possible By: Riverside All-in-One Podcast & Video Platform Visit Riverside and use the code DREA to get 15% off any Riverside individual plan. We use it to record all our podcast interviews: https://onlinedrea.com/riverside    Go to the show notes for all the resources mentioned in this episode: https://onlinedrea.com/373

Sometimes growth looks like chasing a million-dollar year. Other times, it looks like letting go of old goals, finding joy in smaller seasons, and rewriting the rules to fit your life now.  In this episode, I’m reflecting on what changed after two babies, selling my agency, and shifting my business model, and why I’m more excited than ever about what’s next. If you’ve ever felt like your business path had to look a certain way, this episode is your reminder that you can redefine success. In this episode of the podcast, I talk about:  What really shifted after baby #2 Why I sold my agency (and how I felt after) The realities of postpartum depression & business The business model that fits my current season What I’m focusing on next—and why it feels good   This Episode Was Made Possible By: Riverside All-in-One Podcast & Video Platform Visit Riverside and use the code DREA to get 15% off any Riverside individual plan. We use it to record all our podcast interviews: https://onlinedrea.com/riverside    Go to the show notes for all the resources mentioned in this episode: https://onlinedrea.com/372

What if saying “for women” is actually turning away the very people you’d love to work with? In this episode, I’m diving into the nuances of gendered marketing and why I choose not to use gender-specific labels in my business. From real-life examples to practical shifts you can make, we’ll unpack how inclusive marketing doesn’t just feel better, it performs better too. Whether you’re rethinking your own brand messaging or want to be more intentional with your language, this is a powerful starting point. In this episode of the podcast, I talk about:  How gendered marketing can quietly exclude your dream clients Why “marketing can’t be neutral anymore” How inclusive brands like Dove and Fenty get it right The difference between being inclusive for women vs. only for women Practical ways to reflect your values in your marketing   This Episode Was Made Possible By: Riverside All-in-One Podcast & Video Platform Visit Riverside and use the code DREA to get 15% off any Riverside individual plan. We use it to record all our podcast interviews: https://onlinedrea.com/riverside    Go to the show notes for all the resources mentioned in this episode: https://onlinedrea.com/371

More posts ≠ more progress. I’m sharing exactly what’s working on social media right now—and what’s not—so you can adapt your content to meet your audience where they are (without burning out in the process). We’re covering real shifts in content behavior, algorithm changes, and how smart marketers are showing up differently in 2025. If you're frustrated with lower reach and engagement, this episode will help you understand why and what to do next. In this episode of the podcast, I talk about:  Why the attention economy has shifted (and what it means for your content) Why “educational” posts aren’t hitting like they used to The difference between how-to content and how-I content The “middle tier content” that’s fading fast What “high-concept, low-production” content actually looks like The real reason engagement has dropped (it’s not you)   This Episode Was Made Possible By: Riverside All-in-One Podcast & Video Platform Visit Riverside and use the code DREA to get 15% off any Riverside individual plan. We use it to record all our podcast interviews: https://onlinedrea.com/riverside    Go to the show notes for all the resources mentioned in this episode: https://onlinedrea.com/370

Ever opened Airtable or Asana and immediately closed it because your brain just said “nope”? Been there.  In this episode, I’m joined by systems expert Rachael Mueller for a real talk on how to make your tools work for you—not overwhelm you. We’re diving into practical strategies that actually make your life easier (not more complicated). Whether you’re drowning in post-its or juggling a million Google Docs, this convo is for you. If your to-do list lives in your head (and you’ve got 47 birthday party RSVPs to remember), this one’s a must-listen. In this episode of the podcast, we talk about: The one habit that will instantly make your brain feel lighter When to use automation—and when to skip it Why your system needs to match your personality What to do before you pick a new tool Why “comfort” systems might actually be slowing you down …And More!   This Episode Was Made Possible By: Riverside All-in-One Podcast & Video Platform Visit Riverside and use the code DREA to get 15% off any Riverside individual plan. We use it to record all our podcast interviews: https://onlinedrea.com/riverside    About the Guest: Rachael Mueller is a Virtual COO + Systems Expert, helping service-forward business owners + founders optimize and grow their businesses through sustainable systems, and take back control of their time.  After transforming her first business in 2015 from a burnout black hole into a streamlined success, she never looked back! And has helped countless clients do the same behind the scenes.  When she’s not helping visionary entrepreneurs banish overwhelm, you can find her in the kitchen whipping up a new recipe, or traveling the globe with her partner. She’s also a firm believer that there is never "too much" guacamole, and that life is better after petting a furry friend. Website: https://heyrachael.com/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/hey.rachael LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/heyrachael   Go to the show notes for all the resources mentioned in this episode: https://onlinedrea.com/369

A creepy collectible toy might not be your marketing inspo but hear me out. There’s a reason Labubu is all over your feed. In this episode, I break down the wild obsession behind Labubu and what small business owners can learn from it. From building community to harnessing scarcity, this isn’t just about trends… it’s about staying memorable in a sea of sameness. If your marketing feels too safe or too forgettable, this is your nudge to do things differently. In this episode of the podcast, I talk about:  Why Labubu’s weirdness works (and how to own yours) What makes something “obsession-worthy” in 2025 Storytelling and scarcity: the combo that sells Curated chaos vs. polished branding Why speaking to the heart still wins over logic   This Episode Was Made Possible By: Riverside All-in-One Podcast & Video Platform Visit Riverside and use the code DREA to get 15% off any Riverside individual plan. We use it to record all our podcast interviews: https://onlinedrea.com/riverside    Go to the show notes for all the resources mentioned in this episode: https://onlinedrea.com/368

My favorite way to get new clients? It’s not social media or email. It’s referrals from friends. And that kind of trust doesn’t just show up. It’s built. In this episode, I’m joined by Jessica Abel, an artist-turned-business coach, to talk about relationship-based marketing—what it looks like, how it works, and why so many creatives struggle to sell their work. We also dig into business models, service-based offers, and how to rethink “sustainable” growth in your business.  If you’re tired of trying to scale like an influencer and ready for something that actually supports your life, you’ll love this one. In this episode of the podcast, we talk about: Why referrals outperform most marketing channels How to build a business model that fits your life The real reason courses and products are hard to sell What to do if you’re burned out on content How introverts can still thrive with relationship marketing …And More!   This Episode Was Made Possible By: Riverside All-in-One Podcast & Video Platform Visit Riverside and use the code DREA to get 15% off any Riverside individual plan. We use it to record all our podcast interviews: https://onlinedrea.com/riverside    About the Guest: Jessica Abel is a graphic novelist, author, and the founder of Autonomous Creative, where she helps accomplished creative professionals build businesses as brilliant as they are. Drawing on 30 years as a cartoonist and author combined with 10 years as a business owner, Jessica knows how to take someone's creative brilliance and turn it into an unconventional and profitable business. In other words, she's helping creatives do more than pay the mortgage. They're enjoying freedom from financial anxiety, time for their personal priorities, and doing truly meaningful work. Website: https://jessicaabel.com Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/autonomouscreative/  LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jccabel/  YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@AutonomousCreative    Go to the show notes for all the resources mentioned in this episode: https://onlinedrea.com/367

If you’re over making Instagram Reels that barely reach your audience, this episode is your permission slip to shift gears. I’m joined by SEO strategist and YouTube queen Mariah Magazine for a candid convo on why long-form content is having a well-deserved comeback—and how it can actually work for your business. We dig into her YouTube growth strategy, monetization, and how long-form content plays a bigger role in building authority (especially with AI).  Whether you’re feeling stuck in the social media churn or just tired of content that disappears in 24 hours, this episode will shift how you think about content entirely. In this episode of the podcast, we talk about: Why long-form content is the real trust builder How Mariah monetizes tutorials and still books consulting clients What “brand authority” means in the age of AI The role SEO plays in getting found across platforms How to simplify your content ecosystem without burning out …And More!   This Episode Was Made Possible By: Riverside All-in-One Podcast & Video Platform Visit Riverside and use the code DREA to get 15% off any Riverside individual plan. We use it to record all our podcast interviews: https://onlinedrea.com/riverside    About the Guest: Mariah is an award-winning SEO Consultant & Educator, YouTube Content Creator & host of a top 10% podcast; Curiously Guided. She’s a firm believer that showing up on Google and organically marketing your business doesn’t have to be as difficult & overwhelming as everyone makes it (which is what ultimately inspired her to start her YouTube channel in the first place!) – Since 2015, she’s guided hundreds of clients and students to achieve page-one search results through actionable and practical strategies, ultimately inspiring them to take SEO into their own hands. Website: https://www.mariahmagazine.com/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/mariahmagazineco/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/MariahMagazine LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mariahmagazine/   Go to the show notes for all the resources mentioned in this episode: https://onlinedrea.com/366

If the summer heat is draining your energy, your content shouldn’t be doing the same. In this episode, I’m breaking down the 3 habits that are quietly sabotaging your marketing—and what to do instead. Because you can stay visible without chasing trends, obsessing over metrics, or posting daily just to keep up. Whether you’re in a summer slump or just tired of the pressure, this episode will help you slow down, recalibrate, and market with more intention. In this episode of the podcast, I talk about:  Why posting every day is outdated advice When trends are helpful—and when they’re just a distraction How over-tracking your metrics can stall your momentum The mindset shift that helps you stay consistent without burnout   This Episode Was Made Possible By: Riverside All-in-One Podcast & Video Platform Visit Riverside and use the code DREA to get 15% off any Riverside individual plan. We use it to record all our podcast interviews: https://onlinedrea.com/riverside    Go to the show notes for all the resources mentioned in this episode: https://onlinedrea.com/365

What kind of content actually works when you're slowing down for the summer? In this episode, I’m breaking down 3 types of posts you can share during your summer slowdown. These aren’t trendy or complicated—they’re rooted in strategy, build long-term trust, and help you stay visible without burning out. Whether you’re off traveling, spending time with family, or just need space from the algorithm, this is your content shortcut. In this episode of the podcast, I talk about:  The teaching-style post that positions you as the expert What it really means to “show your work” How to create values-based content that connects Why these three post types are perfect for building trust (while you rest)   This Episode Was Made Possible By: Riverside All-in-One Podcast & Video Platform Visit Riverside and use the code DREA to get 15% off any Riverside individual plan. We use it to record all our podcast interviews: https://onlinedrea.com/riverside    Go to the show notes for all the resources mentioned in this episode: https://onlinedrea.com/364

Feeling like Instagram just isn’t hitting the way it used to? You're not alone. This week, I sat down with Instagram strategist Michelle Gifford to get honest about what’s actually working right now—and what isn’t. We talk through how to make content creation sustainable, how the algorithm really works, and what makes marketing feel more aligned (especially when you’re also raising kids, juggling clients, and trying not to burn out). If you want smarter Instagram marketing without overthinking every post, this one’s for you. In this episode of the podcast, we talk about: The real reason your posts might not be performing Why batching doesn’t work for everyone How to balance trends, authenticity, and reach What the algorithm actually wants from you Tips for showing up without burning out …And More!   This Episode Was Made Possible By: Riverside All-in-One Podcast & Video Platform Visit Riverside and use the code DREA to get 15% off any Riverside individual plan. We use it to record all our podcast interviews: https://onlinedrea.com/riverside    About the Guest: Michelle Gifford is a strategist, coach, podcaster and agency owner, here when you’re ready to take your business to the next level without sacrificing what matters most! Michelle is the go-to Instagram expert for business owners who want results. She’s the secret weapon behind six and seven-figure brands who are growing, making an impact, selling out programs and bringing home serious profit – all from Instagram! Website: https://iammichellegifford.com  Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/iammichellegifford/  YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@MichelleGifford/   Go to the show notes for all the resources mentioned in this episode: https://onlinedrea.com/363  

We’re told that marketing requires hustle, constant availability, and showing up 24/7. But at what cost? In this episode, I’m sharing the real story behind why I turned off notifications, redefined my work hours, and stopped working from the beach (yes, really). Because protecting your energy is a strategy—and boundaries aren’t walls, they’re invitations. Whether you’ve been running your business for years or you’re still finding your groove, this episode offers a permission slip to work in a way that supports your actual life. In this episode of the podcast, I talk about:  The panic attack that changed how I run my business How parasocial pressure shows up for personal brands Setting boundaries in your internal and external marketing Why your preferences are a business strategy Where values-led marketing fits in   This Episode Was Made Possible By: Riverside All-in-One Podcast & Video Platform Visit Riverside and use the code DREA to get 15% off any Riverside individual plan. We use it to record all our podcast interviews: https://onlinedrea.com/riverside    Go to the show notes for all the resources mentioned in this episode: https://onlinedrea.com/362

One of my favorite ways to get clients? Podcast guesting. And no—it’s not just about showing up, sharing tips, and hoping for the best. It’s about building real relationships, delivering value, and knowing how to turn one great interview into long-term opportunities. This week, I’m joined by Sam Brake Guia, podcast host and co-founder of PodWritten, to break down how to approach podcast guesting with purpose. We cover everything from pitching to what you actually say on the mic, and how to make the most of every interview—even if it doesn’t lead to clients right away. Want to build better relationships and get leads from podcasts? Start here. In this episode of the podcast, we talk about: How to prep for podcast guest interviews What to say (and avoid) as a guest The art of relationship building with hosts How to naturally share your work without over-promoting What to do when guesting doesn’t lead to sales …And More!   This Episode Was Made Possible By: Riverside All-in-One Podcast & Video Platform Visit Riverside and use the code DREA to get 15% off any Riverside individual plan. We use it to record all our podcast interviews: https://onlinedrea.com/riverside    About the Guest: Sam Brake Guia is the Co-founder of PodWritten, a podcast booking agency for health and wellness businesses, and the host of Mics to Millions, a podcast that shares interviews with top-tier hosts, insights from podcasting experts, and solo episodes to help you grow your health and wellness podcast. Website: https://podwritten.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/samuelbrakeguia/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/sambguia/, https://www.instagram.com/podwritten/   Go to the show notes for all the resources mentioned in this episode: https://onlinedrea.com/361  

SEO isn’t dead; it just evolved. Google’s algorithm has changed a lot in recent years, and if you’re still thinking like it’s 2012 (hello, keyword stuffing!), this episode is for you. I’m joined by Lindsey Busfield of Optimize My Firm to break down what’s actually working in SEO right now—from AI changes and backlink credibility to the human-first experience Google’s really prioritizing. In this episode of the podcast, we talk about: Why outdated SEO tactics can hurt you What the algorithm really wants now How AI impacts search results (and traffic) What bloggers, business owners, and local pros need to know How to write SEO content people actually want to read …And More!   This Episode Was Made Possible By: Riverside All-in-One Podcast & Video Platform Visit Riverside and use the code DREA to get 15% off any Riverside individual plan. We use it to record all our podcast interviews: https://onlinedrea.com/riverside    About the Guest: Lindsey Busfield, the Vice President of Optimize My Firm, an SEO and content marketing agency that is behind some of the nation’s most powerful law firm websites. Having worked with numerous personal injury attorneys who have been burned by other SEO agencies, Lindsey has created a business model that addresses the major issues that plague the industry: namely overpromising, underdelivering, and locking clients in with contracts. Additionally, Lindsey is the host of the Personal Injury Marketing Minute podcast that dives into marketing, business development, and interesting cases in the personal injury world. Lindsey is also a proud mom of two girls and will talk your ear off about pickleball if given the chance.  Website: www.optimizemyfirm.com LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lindsey-busfield/   Go to the show notes for all the resources mentioned in this episode: https://onlinedrea.com/360

“Hire a team, scale fast, never stop growing.” That’s the advice we’ve all heard. But what if that isn’t your dream? What if building a business that actually supports your life means not hiring a big team? This week, Maggie Patterson joins me to talk about her new book, Staying Solo, and why more business owners are choosing to stay lean, profitable, and in control—without sacrificing growth. We get real about the myths of solo business, the financial numbers people avoid, and the very real pressure to “look legit” online. If you’ve ever felt weird about staying small, this one’s for you. In this episode of the podcast, we talk about: Why staying solo is a valid long-term business model The real cost of growing too fast What most business owners aren’t tracking How Maggie marketed her book with a private podcast Why solo businesses are often more human …And More!   This Episode Was Made Possible By: Riverside All-in-One Podcast & Video Platform Visit Riverside and use the code DREA to get 15% off any Riverside individual plan. We use it to record all our podcast interviews: https://onlinedrea.com/riverside    About the Guest: Maggie Patterson is the creator of BS-Free Business® and the author of Staying Solo®. With 20 years of experience as a successful entrepreneur in client services, Maggie helps service business owners build what she proudly calls a “boring business”—strategically small, sustainable, and designed to fit their lives without the constant hustle. A podcaster and writer, Maggie is a vocal advocate for humane business practices rooted in respect, empathy, and trust. She hosts two podcasts, Staying Solo and Confessions of a Micro Agency Owner, and co-hosts the consumer advocacy podcast Duped: The Dark Side of Online Business. Website: www.bsfreebusiness.com Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/bsfreebusiness/  Threads: https://www.threads.com/@bsfreebusiness    Go to the show notes for all the resources mentioned in this episode: https://onlinedrea.com/359

Threads isn’t just another X clone—it’s a community builder. If you’ve been wondering how to use Threads to grow your business and actually connect with people, Laura Sinclair is here to share how she’s done exactly that. We talk about how she approaches the platform differently, why her community keeps showing up, and how she’s built real relationships—all without the “salesy” energy we’re all so tired of. Ready to use Threads to build real community? Start here. In this episode of the podcast, we talk about: How Laura uses Threads to grow her community Why Threads is different from other platforms Creating low-pressure, high-connection content The secret to making real invitations that feel good How Threads led to 38 podcast invitations …And More!   This Episode Was Made Possible By: Riverside All-in-One Podcast & Video Platform Visit Riverside and use the code DREA to get 15% off any Riverside individual plan. We use it to record all our podcast interviews: https://onlinedrea.com/riverside    About the Guest: Laura Sinclair is a strategic business mentor, podcast host, and founder of This Mother Means Business. A former marketing agency owner turned mentor for entrepreneurial mothers, Laura helps women build profitable, fulfilling businesses without sacrificing their family—or themselves—in the process. Known for her no-fluff guidance, smart strategy, and deep belief that burnout is not a badge of honour, Laura is the go-to guide for ambitious women who want success that actually feels good. Website: www.laura-sinclair.com, www.thismothermeansbusiness.com Instagram: www.instagram.com/itslaurasinclair, www.instagram.com/thismothermeansbusiness    Go to the show notes for all the resources mentioned in this episode: https://onlinedrea.com/358

Do you really need another social media app? If you’re still figuring out if Bluesky deserves a spot in your strategy, this episode is for you. I’m breaking down everything you need to know—from its launch and user experience to the real differences between Bluesky, Threads, and X (formerly Twitter). You’ll hear my thoughts on its underground, community-focused vibes, the pros and cons of joining early, and who I think should skip it entirely. In this episode of the podcast, I talk about:  What Bluesky is and how it compares to Threads and X Who’s actually hanging out there (and who’s not) Why Bluesky feels like early-days Twitter Key features that make it stand out—or fall short How to decide if it’s worth your time ...and more!   This Episode Was Made Possible By: Riverside All-in-One Podcast & Video Platform Visit Riverside and use the code DREA to get 15% off any Riverside individual plan. We use it to record all our podcast interviews: https://onlinedrea.com/riverside    Go to the show notes for all the resources mentioned in this episode: https://onlinedrea.com/357

If you’ve ever woken up and thought, “what if I just didn’t post today?”—this one’s for you. Because sometimes the problem isn’t the strategy. It’s that you’re tired. Life is lifing. Your season is heavier. And marketing feels like too much. In this episode, I’m sharing the real story behind my current season of business, why burnout hit hard, and what I’ve learned about showing up online when energy is low.  From data-backed trends to practical repurposing and a little pumpkin spice, this one’s part therapy, part strategy. In this episode of the podcast, I talk about:  Why more content isn’t the answer Posting less (and smarter) for better results Why 94% of marketers repurpose content What AI can really help you with Creating a minimal viable marketing plan How to market through burnout, anxiety, and chaos   This Episode Was Made Possible By: Riverside All-in-One Podcast & Video Platform Visit Riverside and use the code DREA to get 15% off any Riverside individual plan. We use it to record all our podcast interviews: https://onlinedrea.com/riverside    Go to the show notes for all the resources mentioned in this episode: https://onlinedrea.com/356

Posting more doesn’t require more confidence—it requires clarity. And as today’s guest Natalie Bullen reminds us, showing up consistently isn’t just about marketing. It’s about choosing to stand in your values, serve your people, and build something sustainable—without letting fear or perfectionism slow you down. In this episode, we talk about marketing unapologetically, building a personal brand that cuts through the noise, and how Natalie ended up managing a viral Facebook group she never wanted. If marketing has felt harder than it should, this episode will help you refocus and reconnect. In this episode of the podcast, we talk about: What a personal brand really means Why visibility is about service—not spotlight Creating content without second-guessing Why Natalie doesn't rely on Facebook groups to sell What metrics actually show your marketing is working …And More!   This Episode Was Made Possible By: Riverside All-in-One Podcast & Video Platform Visit Riverside and use the code DREA to get 15% off any Riverside individual plan. We use it to record all our podcast interviews: https://onlinedrea.com/riverside    About the Guest: Natalie Bullen is a wealth and identity coach helping affluent entrepreneurs expand their capacity for success. As the founder of Unapologetic Wealth®, she works with high-earning business owners to elevate their authority, shift their relationship with money, and build a legacy that matches their ambition. A former financial advisor, Natalie’s work goes beyond income—she helps leaders step into true wealth by mastering not just what they earn, but how they hold, grow, and embody it. Connect with Natalie at unapologeticwealth.com Website: https://unapologeticwealth.com/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Ladylyricist06/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/unapologeticwealth/  LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nataliebullen/   Go to the show notes for all the resources mentioned in this episode: https://onlinedrea.com/355

Sales and marketing should work together—but too often, they don’t. Instead of collaborating, teams operate in silos and miss opportunities hiding in plain sight. Victor Adefuye is here to change that. In this episode, we talk about how AI is bridging the gap between sales and marketing—by turning real sales conversations into actionable marketing insights, better customer experiences, and smarter strategies. If you’ve ever felt like your marketing was disconnected from what your audience actually cares about, this one’s for you. In this episode of the podcast, we talk about: How to use AI to analyze sales calls Why transcripts are a goldmine for marketers Tools to improve messaging and conversion AI for personalization at scale (without losing trust) The future of sales prep, follow-up, and content creation …And More!   This Episode Was Made Possible By: Riverside All-in-One Podcast & Video Platform Visit Riverside and use the code DREA to get 15% off any Riverside individual plan. We use it to record all our podcast interviews: https://onlinedrea.com/riverside    About the Guest: Victor, the founder of Dana Consulting, pioneers the integration of AI with proven B2B sales methodologies. After founding Dana Consulting in 2015, he led the firm to notable success—training hundreds of teams and increasing close rates across startups and Fortune 500 companies. Following Dana Consulting’s acquisition by Winning by Design in 2019, Victor has returned to relaunch the company with a revolutionary focus: Superintelligent Sales, a framework that combines AI capabilities with human expertise to transform B2B sales performance. A sought-after speaker and thought leader, Victor draws on his unique background as a former attorney and his track record of driving measurable sales improvements to help organizations thrive in the age of AI. Website: https://www.dana-consulting.com/ Superintelligent Sales: https://superintelligentsales.ai LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/victoradefuye/    Go to the show notes for all the resources mentioned in this episode: https://onlinedrea.com/354